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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| jroll | \o | 14:00 |
| diga | o/ | 14:00 |
| macsz | \o | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | OK, let's get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | The first item is: Prevent compute crash on discovery failure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422780 | 14:03 |
| edleafe | But that's already merged, so... | 14:03 |
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| _gryf | oh | 14:03 |
| _gryf | it was put on scheduler meeting last time | 14:03 |
| _gryf | *on agenda | 14:03 |
| edleafe | let's discuss the patch for updating the research tracker for Ironic | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404472/ | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | _gryf: no worries | 14:04 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Here is the basic problem we found: | 14:04 |
| bauzas | I just provided a question about ^ | 14:04 |
| bauzas | about why we stop providing DB modifications | 14:04 |
| edleafe | This patch changes how the RT reports Ironic inventory | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | the flavor doesn't contain the node.resource_class and therefore NoValidHosts is returned for any request? | 14:05 |
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| cdent | o/ sorry for late, stuck in traffic | 14:05 |
| edleafe | We stop reporting the old VCPU-style values, and instead report 1 of the particular class of Ironic hardware | 14:05 |
| jroll | bauzas: ++ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | But the placement API cannot select based on custom resource classes (yet) | 14:06 |
| jroll | yeah, that's problematic | 14:06 |
| edleafe | So once an ironic node is reporting new-style inventory, it cannot be selected. It's essentially invisible to placement | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: well, there's nothing about custom resource classes that the placement API cannot select on. It's just that there is no mapping between flavor and ironic custom resource class yet. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: yes, that's another way to say the same thing | 14:07 |
| bauzas | lemme clarify my question | 14:07 |
| bauzas | if we stop reporting old-way for new Ironic nodes | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: cdent told me about the idea to just have BOTH the new custom resource class AND the old VCPU/MEMORY_MB/DISK_GB inventory records for a time period. I think that's a good idea. | 14:07 |
| bauzas | then how could we possibly have ComputeCapabilitiesFilter using the HostState ? | 14:07 |
| bauzas | which is one of the main filters ironic operators use | 14:07 |
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| jroll | jaypipes: that's what I've been saying since the beginning, and I thought that's what this patch did in the beginning | 14:08 |
| bauzas | (at least until we have traits) | 14:08 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: that was our temporary fix for now | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: totally different. one is a qualitative filter (ComputeCapabilitiesFilter) and the other is a quantitative filter. | 14:08 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: fair to me | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | jroll: yes, I know you've been saying from beginning :( it slipped my mind. :( | 14:08 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but ComputeCapabilitiesFilter uses the HostState to know capabilities | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there are two things here (1) keep current stuff working (2) replace all existing features | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think (1) is the first step, which the report old and new helps with | 14:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 14:09 |
| jroll | ++ | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I think we should still provide the current DB modifications even if we have new Ironic nodes | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats the current path, I believe | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I don't know what you mean by "current DB modifications"? | 14:10 |
| jroll | bauzas: yes, we have to, we can't schedule on the new-style stuff | 14:10 |
| jroll | jaypipes: compute_nodes table is how I understood that | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | ah | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | existing compute_node.save()? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: unless I missed thay, I think we stop using it | 14:10 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404472/26/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py@540 | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: g | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: good point, that is bypassed, I missed that | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | ok, if that's just a mistake, I'm fine then | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: right, I believe the suggestion was to continue calling update_resource_stats() *in addition to* doing the new custom resource class inventory. correct, johnthetubaguy, edleafe and cdent? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | I thought it was rather a design point | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | saying that we should stop reporting old-way if new nodes, which I disagree | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need all the old things to keep happening | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can decide what that looks like in the code | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | sure my question wasn't an implementation detail | 14:13 |
| edleafe | We *eventually* want to stop reporting the old way | 14:13 |
| edleafe | We just aren't there yet | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | rather a discussion to make sure we all agree that we need to support old-way | 14:13 |
| bauzas | okay, seems to me we're all violently agreeing | 14:13 |
| jroll | +1 for both, that's what we were doing way back in patchset 4, not sure where it got lost | 14:13 |
| jroll | bauzas: +1 | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas has spotted a bigger issues, which I think jaypipes is touching, still need to call compute_node.save() | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah | 14:13 |
| bauzas | it's just an implementation mistake, point. | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | gotcha | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | that said | 14:14 |
| bauzas | it ties to me how we cover that | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I mean | 14:15 |
| bauzas | it seems to me Jenkins was fine with that | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is another piece, and thats what do we *need* in ocata | 14:15 |
| bauzas | but, if we were merging it, then it could be a problem with operators | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | I just want to make sure we are testing our path | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: right | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: jenkins failed on the last version, not sure about this updated one | 14:16 |
| bauzas | and RC1 is in 3 days | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so in pike, if we fixed the whole world... it would be good if the new resources were already there | 14:16 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:16 |
| bauzas | because it's also a compute modification | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but don't we also need the instance claims to be present for the new resources, else we still can't schedule on just the new resources? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/claims/allocations/ | 14:17 |
| bauzas | meaning that we need to also support N-1 computes not reporting ironic resources new-way | 14:17 |
| bauzas | which would defer the placement API being able to schedule something for Ironic until Queens | 14:17 |
| jroll | bauzas: remember current CI job does not set the resource_class on ironic nodes, so doesn't hit the new code path, that's what that test patch and my WIP experimental job are for | 14:17 |
| jroll | and yep, +1 | 14:17 |
| jroll | (also because the flavors for this won't work until pike) | 14:18 |
| edleafe | So is there any point of disagreement about the problem? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | so here I'm thinking of some way to not change everything, but just reporting what's needed | 14:18 |
| edleafe | If not, we can start discussing the path forward to fix it | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, if new resource present means new allocations are present, we might be able to transition inside one release | 14:18 |
| bauzas | a very small and not invasive patch that would stop send things | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we report things incorrectly today, that will make it worse | 14:19 |
| bauzas | right | 14:19 |
| bauzas | that said, we can still fix things in a point release | 14:19 |
| bauzas | and ask operators to deploy the latest point release on computes before upgrading | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | here, I want to begin reporting Ironic things in Ocata, without really changing too much | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so... my question is really about this bit: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/report.py#L128 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels like for ironic, what we want to do, is claim all resources for the chosen node, regardless of what the flavor says | 14:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: FWIW, there is a bug with https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/client/report.py#L138 | 14:21 |
| bauzas | because swap is miscounted | 14:21 |
| bauzas | but meh | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy, bauzas: hold up, I think you're overthinking this. | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | quite possibly | 14:21 |
| * bauzas is my mark of fabric | 14:21 | |
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| bauzas | I mean my trademark | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, johnthetubaguy: if we simply keep the call to update_resource_stats() and in addition to that we just add allocation record for the custom resource class (if present in ironic) then we should be fine. | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | sec, finding link. | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: that's what I claim for :) | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | line 695 here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404472/26/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | but, when we come to try and place things next cycle, all the ironic nodes will be showing free resources | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, johnthetubaguy: so instead of deleting old allocations, we simply create the provider allocations if ironic.node_class is present. | 14:23 |
| bauzas | I just want the less invasive thing that would just start reporting things in Ocata | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | I need to disappear in litterally 2 mins :( | 14:24 |
| jaypipes | how about I just fix this up and push a change. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: we toally can't delete old allocations, we are agreed there | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | gimme about an hour. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is still a problem here, for next cycle | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | although not sure its as bad as I first thought | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: if we can get allocations and inventory (both old and new) being wrtitten in Ocata for Ironic, I'd be happy. | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, me too | 14:26 |
| edleafe | me three | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | ok, gimme an hour. | 14:26 |
| jroll | +1 | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we do allocations and inventory | 14:26 |
| * jaypipes codes | 14:26 | |
| jaypipes | gotta love PTO. | 14:26 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: you could have timed it better | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | can't do half of it, thats my main concern | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | heh | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I need to bail out, folks \o | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | ciao | 14:27 |
| edleafe | thanks bauzas | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: ping me once you're done, it's now my top-prio review patch | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: will do. | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | Looks like we have a plan | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | One other thing that I'd like to mention is that we could have avoided a lot of this if we had a true functional test in place ahead of time | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | IOW, something that would create an ironic node, have it report resources, and then have it selected by the scheduler | 14:29 |
| edleafe | At the very least it would have identified the holes that needed filling in | 14:29 |
| edleafe | such as the flavor extra-specs stuff | 14:29 |
| cdent | +many | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:32 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | Nothing on the agenda | 14:32 |
| cdent | I got a couple of bug related fixes that would be nice to get in | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Anyone have anything to point out, bug-wise? | 14:32 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414230/ | 14:32 |
| cdent | (and the one above it | 14:32 |
| cdent | nothing super serious but useful for debugging | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Yes, let's get that in. | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Anything else | 14:34 |
| edleafe | ? | 14:34 |
| cdent | don't think so | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Seems like everyone left after the big discussion :) | 14:34 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | So.... what's on your mind? | 14:34 |
| cdent | couple things | 14:34 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:34 |
| cdent | cors didn't make it into the eyes of cors: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392891/ | 14:35 |
| cdent | but we agreed (in various places) that we would prefer to have it in ocata | 14:35 |
| cdent | but I guess it's too late now | 14:35 |
| cdent | the other thing is docs: I'm going to need help on the api-ref: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409340/ | 14:35 |
| cdent | not just writing the docs but also creating a date job to draft and publish the docs | 14:36 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392891/ | 14:36 |
| * cdent watches everyone leaping at once | 14:36 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409340/ | 14:36 |
| edleafe | cdent: Of course - everyone loves working on doc infrastructure! | 14:37 |
| cdent | ikr | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | OK, then I think since everyone's gone, let's get back to work | 14:38 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 14:38:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| * cdent nods | 14:39 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-30-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-30-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| cdent | thanks edleafe | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-01-30-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
| _gryf | thanks | 14:39 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 15:02:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| korzen | hello | 15:02 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hello everyone | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| ihrachys | Ocata-3 released the previous week, so we are in freeze mode | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | meaning, we don't land non-critical bits | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | from those that we care about, I think only https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ has a chance for exception | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | others will need to wait for Pike to open | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | which should happen when rc1 is cut off master | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | which is this week | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | any other patches that we think are critical to merge before rc1 cut off? | 15:05 |
| * electrocucaracha is thinking | 15:05 | |
| korzen | no, I guess that port binding adoption patch is the one | 15:05 |
| korzen | I'm working on it, but need more time to adopt to extended PortBinding Db model | 15:06 |
| korzen | I can say what is wrong on next section | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | yeah I see all test fail. is it some new development in code base that triggered that? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ok let's do in next section | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: did you mean this section, or another one? | 15:07 |
| korzen | another | 15:07 |
| korzen | ;) | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, re partial | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I was going to report bugs for linuxbridge job. I haven't :-o | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I will follow up after the meeting | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | as for another matter of business, multiple api servers, have you korzen set the env you planned to? | 15:08 |
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| korzen | sadly no | 15:09 |
| korzen | I'm targeting to test in this week | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | ok we both slag, good :) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | slag, is it a word? nevermind | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: your stage | 15:10 |
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| korzen | ok, so the port binding table was extended with status field and 'host' was added to primary keys | 15:10 |
| korzen | and the port binding adoption patch was not adjusted to have host as primary key | 15:11 |
| korzen | one issue is to add host in get_object | 15:11 |
| korzen | the other issue is that current flow of creating port binding is udpating the host in later steps | 15:11 |
| korzen | updating* | 15:12 |
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| korzen | now having the host as primary key, OVO is forbidding to update it | 15:12 |
| korzen | so I'm working on delete and create instead of update the port binding | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | oh. we can either delete/create, or we may need to relax rules for primary keys not being updatable | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | what was the reason why we enforced that in the first place? any good explanation? | 15:14 |
| korzen | it is the requirement not to update the primary keys because of objects DB API | 15:14 |
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| korzen | in object DB API we are doing fetch and then save the changes | 15:14 |
| korzen | if you change the primary key, the fetch will fail | 15:14 |
| korzen | and you do not have a way of look back the original value of PK | 15:15 |
| korzen | in object state | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | oh right. | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | so we would need to pass two sets of filters - one for original keys, another for new | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | yeah better keep it simple while it's possible and do delete/create | 15:16 |
| korzen | yes | 15:16 |
| korzen | so I'm looking into delete&create scenario, the work is in progress | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | that being said, an updated object == fetched object, so we have the info on original fields; but probably not worth of exploring. | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: thanks, I hope we can get it in this week to avoid dangerous backports | 15:17 |
| korzen | I hope it also | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | looking at the merged list from previous week | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | seems like we landed ipam only | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | as for open patches... | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | some were ready to go, like Tag or ProvisioningBlock, but will need to wait master to reopen | 15:20 |
| korzen | I was also looking into subnet ovo adoption patch | 15:20 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: what about Tag? it was so close | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: we bumped it off gate after Ocata-3 was released. | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | we will land in due course start of Pike | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | NetworkSegment turned out to have an issue with passing gate: https://review.openstack.org/385178 | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: any news on that gate failure? | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | the one where neutron apparently hanged on segment allocation | 15:21 |
| electrocucaracha | I tried using dicts instead of objects but it's still failing | 15:21 |
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| electrocucaracha | I noticed that most of the suscriptors use them as dicts | 15:22 |
| electrocucaracha | I'll need extra eyes on that | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | ok. have you tried to reproduce it locally? | 15:22 |
| electrocucaracha | I think that I couldn't | 15:23 |
| electrocucaracha | but I can retry today | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | ok. it's one of those cases that is very expensive to debug in gate. | 15:24 |
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| electrocucaracha | agree | 15:25 |
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| korzen | the problem with subnet/network/port OVOs would be the extensions, I hoped that enginefacade work will help with detached db_obj, but it is not so simple, I need to add the db_obj to session in make_subnet_dict and detach it again after extension is done adding its db stuff | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | korzen: as long as they pre-fetch their relationships on fetch, isn't it enough for them to get access to them? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | even while the db_obj may be detached? | 15:28 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, all extensions need to be pre-fetched, because db_obj won't be able to do any feching | 15:29 |
| korzen | I guess with current implementation of extensions, we need to register it somehow | 15:29 |
| korzen | and do the prefetching | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | isn't it done with lazy= directive in db model? | 15:30 |
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| korzen | yes, lazy should work | 15:30 |
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| korzen | so I guess every extension should define its db relationship with lazy joined | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | maybe not joined, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408143/ | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | but the premise is the same - their models may require some tweaking to pre-fetch data | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | which should also help keeping the number of queries to fetch a resource at constant. | 15:32 |
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| korzen | yes | 15:33 |
| korzen | btw, electrocucaracha are you going to PTG? | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | Nope :( | 15:34 |
| korzen | :( | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | actually I was checking the neutron agenda | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 15:34 |
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| electrocucaracha | it seems like neutron upgrades will be covered by your topics korzen right? | 15:34 |
| korzen | yes, I wanted to setup the goals for Pike | 15:35 |
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| korzen | if not at wide audience, at least at upgrades subteam forum | 15:35 |
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| electrocucaracha | in terms of scope, how can we make to complete it in pike | 15:36 |
| electrocucaracha | ? | 15:36 |
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| korzen | by our hard work ;) | 15:37 |
| electrocucaracha | :) | 15:37 |
| korzen | what do you mean exactly? | 15:37 |
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| electrocucaracha | well, OSIC is so interested in enable Neutron upgrades in Pike, so if it's needed more resources or something else | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | maybe we can help somehow | 15:38 |
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| korzen | we will groom the efforts and tasks to do, and we will start doing it :) | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | the good news is that we have a lot of progress in many ongoing patches the bad news is that they're on progress | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | neutron upgrades is a vague term. which specific use cases do you consider? if that's mixed api versions coverage in gate, that's I believe something that we will need people looking at and sync with other projects. | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | in the meantime, korzen was planning to test it manually for Ocata | 15:39 |
| korzen | I think that online data migration is the critical piece we are missing to support zero-downtime upgrades | 15:40 |
| electrocucaracha | yeah, maybe it should be better to define the scope and be realistic on the things that we can accomplish | 15:40 |
| electrocucaracha | this seems more like cathedral model instead of bazaar | 15:41 |
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| electrocucaracha | this is something that we can't discuss in 18 minutes, but at least I'd like to consider it in the agenda of PTG | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | korzen: that would assume that you have a valid case to cover with data migration rules. so far we did not have one. maybe live migration will give us one. I am all for working on framework for that, but do we grasp what will need to be done right now so that we can start? | 15:42 |
| korzen | ihrachys, do you know the exact schedule for the PTG? or are there any free spot to create upgrade subteam meeting before we go to the neutron team>? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | korzen: afaiu ptg is not a single stream event, it's more like multiple groups running with their ideas in smaller groups. so we should be able to sync on spot. | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen ihrachys : dasanind will be there to also representing OSIC, just try to involve her in the discussions | 15:44 |
| korzen | ok, I will work on the agenda | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | gotcha | 15:44 |
| dasanind | electrocucaracha: thank you | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | #action korzen to work on PTG upgrades agenda | 15:45 |
| dasanind | korzen: and ihrachys : all the meetings in PTG are in one room? | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I believe it's like a room with multiple tables. honestly it's first PTG so we may need to check. | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | korzen: anyway, my question on the strategy for data migration from above is still up. what do you think on how to make progress without a use case? come up with a fake one? | 15:46 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I'm planning to take a look at nova's and cinder's way of completing this action. I have a feeling that the framework should be done before (or at least in parallel) to actual first usage of it | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | I agree with the goal | 15:48 |
| korzen | if some would need to do the data migration, he/she would be blocked because of non existing framework | 15:48 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:49 |
| korzen | I will update the team upfront after initial research | 15:49 |
| korzen | if the online data migration is critical | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | ack | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 15:50 |
| korzen | I'm not so keen on API versioning, but I guess that there will be a separate discussion on the API future | 15:51 |
| korzen | and the upgrades use-case can be a addition to such discussion | 15:51 |
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| reedip_ | ihrachys : do we have an etherpad for the ptg ? | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | reedip_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yes api seems to be a hot potato right now | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move one | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | I don't see any motion on patches with UpgradeImpact tag, so skipping the section | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussio | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:54 | |
| ihrachys | the list on the agenda page is empty as usual | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | unless we have something on spot to raise... | 15:54 |
| electrocucaracha | hehehe, well we started the open discussion before | 15:55 |
| electrocucaracha | talking about PTG | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | kinda yes | 15:55 |
| korzen | sorry about that ;) | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | ok if there is nothing to raise at this point, I call it a day. thanks folks. | 15:56 |
| korzen | no other opens from me | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 15:56:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-30-15.02.html | 15:56 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-30-15.02.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-01-30-15.02.log.html | 15:56 |
| dasanind | thanks | 15:56 |
| sshank | Thanks | 15:56 |
| sindhu | thanks | 15:56 |
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| ndahiwade | thanks | 15:56 |
| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 16:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
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| gcb | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Hello, I am back after a long hiatus. | 16:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 16:01 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| gcb | hi guys :-) | 16:01 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report from Octavia | 16:02 |
| gcb | I just checked our period tasks, didn't find red flags | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing that I am aware of from Cinder. I am just getting re-integrated there. | 16:02 |
| gcb | thanks johnsom, jungleboyj | 16:02 |
| bknudson | no red flags for keystone that I know of. We had a fix put in recently for oslo.context deprecations. | 16:03 |
| gcb | as I know , we just quick fix oslo.context | 16:03 |
| rloo | no red flags from ironic that i know of | 16:03 |
| gcb | yeah bknudson, thanks | 16:03 |
| electrocucaracha | I saw the changes on the number of warnings in functional test of neutron but it seems to be addressed, so no red flags for us | 16:03 |
| gcb | electrocucaracha, bknudson , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426756/ should fix the deprecationwarning issue I guess | 16:04 |
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| gcb | then we need bump olso.contex to 2.12.1 in g-r | 16:05 |
| amrith | gcb, when will this change happen? | 16:05 |
| amrith | isn't it past the deadline for changing non-client libraries? | 16:05 |
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| amrith | other downstream projects are impacted by this change; I already have issues related to context that we're dealing with and this week is RC1 for all projects. | 16:05 |
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| gcb | amrith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426766/ | 16:06 |
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| amrith | if there are to be more oslo.context changes now, I'd raise a red flag for trove. | 16:06 |
| amrith | ok, this should be fine | 16:06 |
| amrith | it merely removes warnings, yes? | 16:06 |
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| gcb | yes | 16:08 |
| gcb | dims: Does the oslo.context quick will affect other projects ? | 16:08 |
| gcb | s/quick/quick fix | 16:08 |
| amrith | ok, so we still have an oslo.context related issue that we have to undertand in trove | 16:08 |
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| gcb | do you mean other issues ? | 16:10 |
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| amrith | yes | 16:10 |
| amrith | still investigating, not sure what they are | 16:10 |
| amrith | and when they started happening | 16:10 |
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| amrith | but it is recent | 16:10 |
| amrith | and was muddied by the nova 7.0.0 change | 16:10 |
| amrith | which we (may) now be over | 16:10 |
| amrith | so stay tuned | 16:10 |
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| gcb | okay | 16:11 |
| gcb | let's move on :) | 16:11 |
| rloo | gcb, amrith: I looked at that oslo.context fix (426766). it seems fine, just doesn't log the deprecation warning. | 16:11 |
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| gcb | rloo +1 | 16:11 |
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| gcb | #topic stuck reviews | 16:11 |
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| gcb | any (oslo) reviews people need to have some extra eyes on? | 16:12 |
| gcb | okay, we just release libraries for stable/ocata recently , so it seems no urgent one :-) | 16:13 |
| gcb | #topic PTG | 16:13 |
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| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-pike | 16:13 |
| gcb | we have 3 topics now, please add more topics | 16:14 |
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| gcb | we have two days, not sure we have enough topics for that , maybe we can host something like bug smash to reduce oslo bugs | 16:15 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 16:16 |
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| gcb | so please edit the etherpad if you have any idea, suggestion:) | 16:16 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
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| johnsom | Welcome new fearless leader.... | 16:17 |
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| gcb | johnsom, thanks, just try to serve anyone for Oslo:) | 16:18 |
| gcb | and make oslo better | 16:18 |
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| gcb | The deadline of submitting openstack summit presentations is Feb 6 | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | Submit early, submit often. | 16:20 |
| amrith | submit no more than three times | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone else see the Tweet of Mark thinking up buzzwords? | 16:20 |
| gcb | and we have traditional topic 'live from oslo' :), I wonder if we need another one ? | 16:21 |
| gcb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-live-from-oslo is an example | 16:22 |
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| gcb | just free to edit #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-live-from-oslo if you have anything to share with others :) | 16:23 |
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| gcb | jungleboyj, I didn't browser tweet too much | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | gcb, Good way to get some of the info on OpenStack. Sometimes fun. :-) | 16:23 |
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| gcb | agree, will look at that often lol | 16:24 |
| gcb | Does anyone have anything to remind ? | 16:25 |
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| gcb | okie dokie, unless people have anything else we can call it a meeting :) | 16:26 |
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| gcb | 3 | 16:26 |
| gcb | 2 | 16:26 |
| gcb | 1 | 16:27 |
| gcb | thanks all for showing up :) | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | Thank you. | 16:27 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 16:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 16:27:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-01-30-16.00.html | 16:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-01-30-16.00.txt | 16:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-01-30-16.00.log.html | 16:27 |
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| dims | gcb : no should not affect anyone else, all we are doing is stopping some warnings from hitting the logs | 17:05 |
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| gcb | dims: ack , thanks | 17:06 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 20:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | hello barbicaneers! | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | it might be just us today. i haven't see redrobot, and alee said he had to miss today | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | as usual, the agenda is here: | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Barbican Container Fixes | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican Container Fixes (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:03 | |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf? | 20:03 |
| diazjf | Was recently looking over the container docs and saw some errors. Opened up bugs and add fixes all around. | 20:03 |
| diazjf | Just want some quick reviews whenever anyone gets time | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ thanks diazjf | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | i see the review links are in the agenda | 20:04 |
| diazjf | There are 3 patches which 1.) Update docs, 2.) Add unit tests, 3.) Fix a bug when filtering thru consumers. Thanks dave!!! | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | anything else? let's try to get those merged early this week to make Ocata. | 20:05 |
| diazjf | thanks, thats all for me. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | #status gate status | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | we've just been talking about this in the main channel. | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | look like the feature to add the id field has co-requisite changes that need to be made to barbican client that haven't been finished yet. | 20:06 |
| kfarr | I was the 3rd person to +2, does that count as broad agreement? | 20:06 |
| kfarr | +2 the revert MR | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we're in unanimous agreement that we need to revert the id patch. :-( | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | the good news is that it should open up the gate again. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr do you have a goal in mind for the next castellan release? | 20:07 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, I was hoping to get in the list feature | 20:08 |
| kfarr | but that was dependent on a python-barbicanclient patch | 20:08 |
| kfarr | that didn't make it in before you tagged the release last week | 20:08 |
| dave-mccowan | bummer. | 20:09 |
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| dave-mccowan | we'll have to try to get all of the patches with cross-repo dependencies in early in Pike, so we don't end up in the time crunch. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we're out of time on Ocata, and I don't think the release group will let me re-tag the python-barbicanclient, especially since the deadline has now passed. | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | which leads us to... | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Ocata Status | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Status (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:11 | |
| dave-mccowan | so, last week was the deadline for libraries (python-barbicanclient) and I tagged what we had finished then. unfortunately, we missed a couple features we wanted. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | this week our goal is to tag a Release Candidate for Barbican. we need prioritize urgent fixes that want to go in, but also only low risk commits. | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | if anyone has any patches in particular to merge this week, post the links in the channel. i'll ping people this week before tagging the release to make sure we've finished what we can. | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | by the end of next week Ocata will be out the door and we'll be on to Pike | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | any questions or comments on the schedule? | 20:15 |
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| dave-mccowan | kfarr we need to think through castellan releases, especially if we start having version dependencies with other projects. | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | for example with Nova Ocata need a different Castellan than Nova Pike? | 20:16 |
| kfarr | Wouldn't we just bump the minimum requirement in that case? | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | yes. this is why the release deadline for client libraries is two weeks before the services, so they can fix on a stable branched version. does castellan have stable branches? | 20:18 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, no | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | we can talk about it at the PTG. we might need to start doing that. | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Tempest Testing | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest Testing (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:20 | |
| kfarr | okk | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr did peter give you an update? | 20:20 |
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| kfarr | There are patches out for the secret-metadata client tests and order client tests | 20:21 |
| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424817/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423346/ | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | thanks! | 20:22 |
| kfarr | also, I made a gate for the barbican-tempest-plugin project that runs the tempest plugin tests | 20:22 |
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| kfarr | maybe one day we'll want that running for each commit to barbican, too? | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | cool! | 20:23 |
| diazjf | awesome, I'll add them to my review queue | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | yes, i think that'd be good. btw, alee brought up the idea: why doesn't barbicanclient or castellan tests run with each commit to barbican? | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | that'd help catch some issues earlier. | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Top Three | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | the openstack foundation puts together a slide deck with each release that includes a "top 3" list for each project. | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | does anyone have input on what our Top 3 is for Ocata? | 20:25 |
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| diazjf | dace-mccowan, I don't think we've had any real big features other than the one we are reverting :( | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Top 3 new features? | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf yep :( | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | top 3 anything. we need to put on our marketing hats. :-) | 20:26 |
| diazjf | 1.) Update with global requirements lol | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | Ocata was a short cycle, so it's ok if our list is light. | 20:27 |
| kfarr | diazjf lolz | 20:27 |
| kfarr | tempest plugin? | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | hooray for openstack proposal bot | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr +1 | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | maybe general quality improvements... we must have fixed a bug or two. | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic PTG | 20:28 |
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| diazjf | dave-mccowan maybe improved testing, the new gates like Postgre etc | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf +1 | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | just a reminder to add any ideas for Pike or other discussion to the PTG etherpad. | 20:29 |
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| dave-mccowan | hopefully we'll be able to find a way to connect remote folks too. | 20:30 |
| kfarr | Ooh, if we got any new maturity points, we could include those | 20:30 |
| diazjf | kfarr, awesome! | 20:30 |
| diazjf | hopefully we did, but I think the install guide needs more work | 20:30 |
| diazjf | that was the easiest point to get | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr yes! we've got two new ones so far (vmt managed and number or distros). two more still in works (stable branch and standard deprecation) | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | #action dave-mccowan follow up on addition maturity points items | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Barbican Mascot | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | and now the big news. we've gotten a draft of our barbican mascot. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | as you'll recall we voted on what animal we wanted and "anything with barbs" was the going choice. the artists couldn't draw a sea urchin, so we went with porcupine. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | they'll have laptop stickers and whatnot at the PTG | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | #link http://imgur.com/a/RBn39 | 20:34 |
| diazjf | sweet I like it!!! | 20:34 |
| diazjf | hopefully you can snag a few and I'll give you and address to send them too | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | diazjf definitely | 20:34 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan thanks!! :) | 20:35 |
| kfarr | that's really cool | 20:35 |
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| dave-mccowan | yep. it'll be fun to see how they use all the drawings. have you guys seen any of the others? | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other topics? | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | thanks kfarr and diazjf! | 20:38 |
| diazjf | thanks dave | 20:38 |
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| dave-mccowan | see you later | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 20:38:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-30-20.00.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-30-20.00.txt | 20:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-01-30-20.00.log.html | 20:38 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:59 |
| CarolBarrett | o/ | 20:59 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 20:59 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi RockyG - Are you back from PRC? | 20:59 |
| leong | o/ | 20:59 |
| leong | ok.. let's get started .... | 21:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 21:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | #topic rollcall | 21:00 |
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| leong | who is here for Product WG meeting? | 21:00 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| CarolBarrett | o/ | 21:00 |
| leong | today agenda can be found here: | 21:00 |
| leong | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:00 |
| Rockyg | CarolBarrett, yup. And saw your news, too. A bit sad, but happy for you. | 21:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks RockyG | 21:01 |
| leong | do we have enough quorum to proceed with the meeting? | 21:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:02 |
| leong | let's wait for a few more minutes for other people to join | 21:02 |
| leong | hi mrhillsman | 21:02 |
| mrhillsman | hey there leong | 21:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 21:02 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 21:02 |
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| leong | are we all fine with the Agenda today? if there is anything else not in the Agenda, feel free to raise up in Opens | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:04 |
| leong | #topic Action items from last meeting | 21:04 |
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| leong | hi kencjohnston | 21:04 |
| leong | let's quickly review last week action.. | 21:05 |
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| leong | #link Last week action items: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-23-21.00.html | 21:05 |
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| leong | few items to follow up | 21:05 |
| leong | Geraldk, leong, kencjohnston, shamail and carolbarrett met last week and drafted a proposal for PWG particiation in Forum | 21:06 |
| * leong looking for the link.. | 21:06 | |
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| leong | #link PWG proposal for Boston Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 21:06 |
| leong | i created the above slide to summarize the discussion | 21:07 |
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| GeraldK | nice | 21:07 |
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| leong | we asked to discuss this proposal in UC meeting this morning.. but the agenda doesn't get through.. we will bring up that in next UC meeting | 21:08 |
| MeganR | the slides look good | 21:08 |
| AndyU | agree | 21:08 |
| leong | in general, we are thinking PWG can help with pre-planning and post-summit aggregation | 21:08 |
| MeganR | are we going to meet again about this before the next UC meeting? | 21:08 |
| leong | that depends on the team | 21:09 |
| leong | anything that you would like to add? | 21:09 |
| leong | kencjohnston, meganr, carolbarrett, geraldk? i hope i covered the things we have discussed in the slide | 21:10 |
| leong | anything i missed? | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | leong: Nope. | 21:10 |
| leong | ok. let's stick with the slides and feel free to comments offline | 21:10 |
| GeraldK | LGTM | 21:10 |
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| leong | kencjohnston, can you update your action items as per last week meeting? | 21:11 |
| MeganR | no, the slides look good - I know Carol asked for this topic to be added to the UC meeting, but only Jon was there today, can we have it added to the agenda before the next meeting? | 21:11 |
| MeganR | *to the UC meeting agenda | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | leong: I submitted teh BOF session. | 21:11 |
| leong | MeganR: i have proposed to add that into next UC meeting agenda | 21:12 |
| MeganR | Great - and you'll send the slides to the ML | 21:12 |
| leong | MeganR: it is now recorded in irc... but i will make sure to drop another email to UC prior to the meeting | 21:12 |
| leong | that's right MeganR | 21:12 |
| MeganR | leong: thank you!! | 21:12 |
| leong | thanks Kencjohnston | 21:12 |
| leong | i have also submitted the PWG Working Session | 21:13 |
| leong | anything else from last meeting meeting that we need to review? | 21:13 |
| leong | #topic Open User Story Review | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open User Story Review (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:14 | |
| leong | ok... we talked about having to review the user story as a weekly agenda. | 21:14 |
| leong | is there any open "user story" that we want to discuss today? | 21:14 |
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| leong | #link User Story to review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | leong: Not a user story but I'd request a core reviewer review on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424228/ | 21:15 |
| leong | ok kencjohnston.. i have +2 on it.. we need another core to review | 21:15 |
| Rockyg | I'll review after this meeting | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | I also think it woudl be good if someone woudl pick up the Quota management user story - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407735/ | 21:16 |
| leong | thanks Rockg | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | Rockyg: Thanks! | 21:16 |
| Rockyg | Yeah on the quota story. We've just gotten a lot of good info from the ops group on quota issues. | 21:16 |
| leong | for 424228, looks like need more works on it? | 21:17 |
| leong | kencjohnston, are you taking over 424228 from Piet | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | On 424228 we do not. | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | leong: I think you are referencing another story... | 21:17 |
| GeraldK | on the quota story: what about taking over the parts from the capacity mgmt user story that deal with quotas. that might also help to narrow the scope of the capacity mgt user story. | 21:17 |
| leong | ok.. i must mess up | 21:18 |
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| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett just +2'd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424228/ so it is on it's way to merge. | 21:18 |
| leong | sorry.. i would probably means: 407735/ | 21:18 |
| leong | thanks CarolBarrett | 21:19 |
| CarolBarrett | Welcome! | 21:19 |
| leong | looks like we need more works/review on 407735 | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | leong: Agreed, 407735 needs work. I wasn't planning on picking it up from Piet. I've got two others I picked up from him ATM. | 21:19 |
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| leong | ok... anyone volunteer to look at 407335 more closely? | 21:20 |
| leong | it was originally submitted by Piet for Quota Mgmt | 21:20 |
| leong | shall i mark that as "WIP" | 21:21 |
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| leong | anything else on gerrit that need review? | 21:22 |
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| leong | shall we move on to next topic then? | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | leong: +1 to marking as WIP and moving on. | 21:23 |
| leong | #topic Midcycle planning | 21:23 |
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| leong | let's talk about midcycle | 21:23 |
| leong | #link Midcycle Planning Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:24 |
| leong | first, are we confirm on the date? | 21:24 |
| leong | March 13th and 14th 2017 (Monday & Tuesday)? | 21:24 |
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| leong | anyone got travel approval to attend midcycle at Milan? | 21:26 |
| Rockyg | I do. | 21:26 |
| leong | nice! | 21:26 |
| Rockyg | Well, I will. | 21:26 |
| leong | i think i will got mine as well | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | I'm still on the fence | 21:26 |
| leong | shamail can't attend today meeting... i believe he told me IBM can host us? | 21:27 |
| AndyU | Leong: I'm a solid "maybe" | 21:27 |
| leong | is that right? CarolBarrett? | 21:27 |
| leong | rockyg, any thing from Huawei to host PWG midcycle? | 21:27 |
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| leong | AndyU, i hope the maybe will turn into "yes" :) | 21:28 |
| Rockyg | I need to recheck, but I don't think the office is in Milan. I'll double check with Anni. | 21:28 |
| MeganR | I won't be attending. :( | 21:28 |
| leong | thanks Rockyg | 21:28 |
| leong | that's sad MeganR | 21:28 |
| MeganR | I'll miss being with the team! | 21:29 |
| leong | looks like many are still "pending" on travel approval, let's keep that as a following-item to discuss next week? | 21:29 |
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| leong | #action RockyG to check with Anni on Huawei office for PWG midcycle | 21:30 |
| leong | #action leong to check with Shamail to confirm if IBM can host PWG midcycle | 21:30 |
| leong | #topic Boston Summit | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:31 | |
| leong | Forum discussion | 21:31 |
| leong | we just talked about the drafted proposal earlier on.. | 21:32 |
| leong | anything else has questions? | 21:32 |
| leong | #link PWG proposal for Boston Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 21:33 |
| leong | is there anything else we want to discuss about the Forum? | 21:33 |
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| * leong looking at kencjohnston, geraldk, rockyg, meganr, carolbarrett, andyu .... | 21:35 | |
| MeganR | not at the moment, you and Carol helped me "finally" understand it :) | 21:36 |
| Rockyg | Question... should I try to get a session for Error Codes for the forum? | 21:36 |
| GeraldK | no questions from my side. | 21:36 |
| leong | MeganR: haha :-) | 21:37 |
| AndyU | I confess... I'm still working on "understanding" it | 21:37 |
| leong | Rockyg: i think the Error codes could be fall into "improving logging" as a whole | 21:37 |
| leong | might worth to have a joint-session with LCOO on logging? | 21:37 |
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| leong | as discussed in this morning UC meeting.. all WG are advised to submit session by Feb 6th | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | Yup. I'll look further into it, then. | 21:38 |
| AndyU | If we have a little lead time to get the word out and draw in the right people it could be a very good topic | 21:38 |
| leong | AndyU, Rokcyg, i am wondering if we can work on a User Story prior to Forum | 21:40 |
| leong | that will give us a strong position and discussion point "during" the Forum | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | I was heading up the effort, but ran out of time. There's a Japanese team that wants to move it forward, though. | 21:40 |
| leong | i think Fujitsu is also interested in.. | 21:40 |
| AndyU | Would that be NTT? | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | I've got *lots* of docs on this. | 21:40 |
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| leong | let's bring that into a common user story... | 21:41 |
| AndyU | I'm game to try. This will be new territory. | 21:41 |
| leong | AndyU, do you want to take the lead to create that user story? | 21:41 |
| leong | i can help you with that... | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | It's already started by Pieter. | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | A bit disjoint, but there. | 21:41 |
| AndyU | Leong: I'd live to discuss it with you. Just not sure what I'd be agreeing to yet ;-) | 21:42 |
| leong | no problem AndyU | 21:42 |
| leong | Rockyg, that reminded me.. | 21:42 |
| leong | i belive this is the story that Piet created before.. | 21:42 |
| leong | #link Error Code User Story: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409878/ | 21:43 |
| leong | maybe let's review that user story and see how this can be collaborated among LCOO, PWG and rest | 21:43 |
| Rockyg | Yup. That's the one. | 21:43 |
| AndyU | Thanks for the link; was looking for it. I'll reach out on my side about this. | 21:44 |
| leong | #agreed RockyG, AndyU, Leong to review Error Code User Story as a first start for Logging https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409878/ | 21:45 |
| leong | anything we want to talk about Forum before we move on to the next topic on Conference Session? | 21:45 |
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| leong | let's talk about the Conference Session at Boston Summit | 21:46 |
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| leong | anyone has session proposal for the User Conference? | 21:47 |
| leong | I was talking to Kei (Fujitsu, co-chair PWG regional meeting), we are thinking to submit a kind of "evangelise session" to introduce Product WG and its workflow | 21:47 |
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| leong | this was also brought up by andyu this morning in UC meeting | 21:48 |
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| AndyU | IMO, important to use Boston as a platform to raise awareness about the PWG Process and AUC role in general | 21:49 |
| leong | AndyU, would you be interested to joint-present? | 21:49 |
| AndyU | have there been any success stories yet? Or still too new? | 21:49 |
| AndyU | Leong, Most definitely! | 21:49 |
| leong | we can use "baremetal" as an example... | 21:49 |
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| leong | cool | 21:50 |
| leong | #agreed Leong, AndyU and Kei will work on a joint-presentation to evangelise PWG process and AUC | 21:51 |
| Rockyg | I strongly agree. We need to let endusers (providers and private cloud ops/users/etc) know that the PWG is the place to get new features and large fixes promoted to dev community | 21:51 |
| leong | +2 rockyg | 21:52 |
| AndyU | perfect. thanks for including me. | 21:52 |
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| leong | anyone else has any other session ideas for the User Conference? | 21:53 |
| leong | 5 mins to the hr..let's move on to "Open" | 21:55 |
| AndyU | Is it possible to repeat a session introducing/training about the pwg process? Offer it multiple times to accommodate different schedules? | 21:55 |
| leong | AndyU, do you mean multiple same sessions at the Boston Summit? | 21:55 |
| AndyU | move on - we can discuss later | 21:55 |
| AndyU | yes, repeats of same session | 21:55 |
| leong | i don't think so.. usually in the past, it will be one session for whole submit | 21:56 |
| leong | summit | 21:56 |
| AndyU | ok, thx | 21:56 |
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| leong | but we can repeat that in the upcoming summit | 21:56 |
| leong | i mean boston, sydney, etc.. | 21:56 |
| leong | #topic Open | 21:57 |
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| Rockyg | We might want to consider adding a course as part of the tutorials beforehand. | 21:57 |
| leong | we have to proposed Agenda in next meeting... | 21:57 |
| leong | anything else to add? | 21:57 |
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| leong | 2 mins... | 21:58 |
| AndyU | RockyG, +1 | 21:58 |
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| leong | right now we have two proposed agenda: User Story Tracker and Simplifying User Story Submission | 21:59 |
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| leong | if there is anything else to discuss, feel free to reach out to me... | 21:59 |
| leong | thank you everyone ! | 22:00 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 22:00 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 22:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-30-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| AndyU | bye :) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-30-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-01-30-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 22:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| GeraldK | bye | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 22:01 |
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| adam_g | hiya | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:01 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-23-22.05.html | 22:01 |
| jeblair | no announcements or actions so... | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:01 | |
| jlk | o/ | 22:02 |
| * mordred waves | 22:02 | |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | the zuul-nodepool integration job is running/working now | 22:02 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:02 |
| jeblair | you can say 'check experimental' in a gerrit comment on either the zuul or nodepool repo to run it | 22:02 |
| rattboi | o/ | 22:02 |
| jeblair | it currently fails, correctly, because it's testing that it gets a node from nodepool | 22:03 |
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| pabelanger | neat | 22:03 |
| pabelanger | will check that out | 22:03 |
| Shrews | new integration test (that actually succeeds) needs merged (two +2's): https://review.openstack.org/425686 | 22:03 |
| jeblair | Shrews proposed this patch to add a test for a failed allocation: | 22:03 |
| jeblair | yep that one :) | 22:03 |
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| * phschwartz following along, somewhat. | 22:03 | |
| jeblair | so now it will have a test that passes as well | 22:04 |
| jhesketh | neat :-) | 22:04 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | (also -- cool! nodepool can correctly *fail* a request!) | 22:04 |
| SpamapS | You should have asked me, I'm an expert at failing. | 22:05 |
| jlk | Lol | 22:05 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: plenty of opportunities remain! | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | so you're saying I _failed_ to recognize the opportunities... | 22:05 |
| * SpamapS scores again | 22:05 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: success | 22:05 |
| jeblair | here's the result of that job run on Shrews's change: http://logs.openstack.org/86/425686/2/experimental/gate-zuul-nodepool/a83475e/ | 22:06 |
| jeblair | nodepool logs are in the logs/logs/ directory | 22:06 |
| jeblair | sorry about the double logs there. it works and i got tired of futzing with the config. | 22:06 |
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| Shrews | it's log! it's log! it's big, it's heavy, it's wood | 22:07 |
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| pabelanger | Still pretty neat | 22:07 |
| jeblair | nodepool builder and launchers run as real daemons. zuul runs inside of tox as a functional test driver, not as an actual daemon. so its logs are just in the testr subunit artifacts as usual for tests. | 22:08 |
| jeblair | any questions or other nodepool related topics? | 22:09 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:10 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:10 | |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: is back! | 22:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 22:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403732/13 | 22:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | i just pushed a revision cos i realized the change did not do what i intended | 22:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | with that, we can set CI_USER envvar | 22:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | and will be replaced if set | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | otherwise, defaults to ansible_user_id | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | which is a fact that holds the user running ansible-playbooks | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | which in the gate is 'jenkins' | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb ^ | 22:11 |
| jeblair | and should automatically switch to zuul when we start using that user | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | yep | 22:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | after this, i'll rebase the network sanity check off this commit and we can flag the setup_host as completed | 22:12 |
| * fungi breaks radio silence to cheer the return of rcarrillocruz | 22:12 | |
| rcarrillocruz | :-P | 22:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | which raises | 22:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | what else do folks think we should refactor as playbook/roles? | 22:13 |
| * jeblair triangulates fungi | 22:13 | |
| rcarrillocruz | i held from doing other refactors till i completed this | 22:13 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: is that the end of the list we came up with in germany? | 22:13 |
| fungi | moshing on a plane over kentucky right now, i think | 22:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | pretty much, but i can see a lot of ther things in functions that could be ansiblized | 22:13 |
| rcarrillocruz | anyway, i guess we can get back to this when we merge the current patches | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: personally, i'd say maybe this is a good stopping point and we can focus on other things for a bit -- at least until we're ready to start making a 'standard library' of roles.... | 22:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | good | 22:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos that way i can slot my free time for infra for the zuul secrets stuff | 22:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 22:15 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:15 |
| jeblair | we have enough to demonstrate how we can structure some of our existing jobs in v3, and when v3 is ready to run jobs, this will be ready to plug in and we can demonstrate it. | 22:16 |
| jeblair | that was slightly redundant, but you get the idea :) | 22:16 |
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| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: zuul secrets stuff? | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | I just learned about something really cool 2 days ago that is for automated decryption and I have been wondering about whether it can be used for zuul secrets.. | 22:17 |
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| SpamapS | so perhaps we can loop back to that in open disc | 22:17 |
| rcarrillocruz | SpamapS: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/zuulv3.html#secrets | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | ty | 22:17 |
| rcarrillocruz | i started it | 22:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | then was forced to take vaca as i was leaving hp | 22:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | then started at ansible and got sidetracked with new house, new city and new job | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | right now I remember | 22:18 |
| * SpamapS has too many plates | 22:19 | |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 22:19 |
| jeblair | anything else roles-related? | 22:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: i'm good for now | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: thanks! | 22:19 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:19 |
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| rcarrillocruz | sure thing! | 22:19 |
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| adam_g | i updated 409376 to remove one test around merge conflicts that uncovered an issue that had me down a rabbit hole. ill look into it again when i have more cycles to dig, and will probably start picking off lower hanging fruit in the meantime | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | adam_g: ok, should i be thinking about picking up that work? | 22:21 |
| adam_g | where is the best place to record the issues i hit when reenabling some of the tests? storyb oard? | 22:21 |
| jeblair | adam_g: yeah, i think SpamapS was developing a 'blocked' story procedure | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | We were early on | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | but we never hit it so I figured we'd make it ad-hoc until we see 2 or 3 blocks | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | The main idea was just to make sure we know _how_ blocked jeblair is. ;) | 22:22 |
| jeblair | there's one blocked story (for a test) | 22:22 |
| jeblair | from SpamapS :) | 22:22 |
| adam_g | ok, i can put it there | 22:22 |
| SpamapS | Right and that's blocked on rcarrillocruz's secrets work I think | 22:22 |
| adam_g | tho it smells more like a bug to me but ill record what ive found and let others decide | 22:23 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah yeah, the swift test no? | 22:23 |
| jeblair | adam_g: that sounds good | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | adam_g: yeah I'd say something that smells like a bug is story-worthy | 22:23 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: yep | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | with a zuulv3 tag to help automation | 22:23 |
| adam_g | SpamapS: k | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | I rebased https://review.openstack.org/413768 and fixed the configs it is based on per jeblair's suggestions, so it is now ready for a second +2 | 22:24 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: thanks! | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | np, I started looking for another test to re-enable now | 22:25 |
| jeblair | note for anyone working on tests: https://review.openstack.org/425810 and https://review.openstack.org/425450 may cause conflicts or new failures. the launcher now asserts that a playbook actually exists for a job, so all the tests now need (noop) playbooks. i'm thinking of adding an option to specify a playbook for a job (so you can override the implied playbook), which should reduce but not eliminate the need for a bunch of ... | 22:25 |
| jeblair | ... noop playbooks in tests. | 22:25 |
| jeblair | but look on the bright side: the launcher now actually cares about and runs playbooks. :) | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | Guard rails on this windy road are appreciated :) | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | Yay | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | that is exciting | 22:26 |
| jeblair | so short actionable version of the above notice: your fake test job may need a fake test playbook from now on. :) | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | I was looking at how many more tests we have to do the other day.. | 22:27 |
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| SpamapS | I believe there are 42 still disabled in feature/zuulv3 .. | 22:27 |
| SpamapS | but I can't find where I had looked at how many are in review.. I think it's 10 or so | 22:27 |
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| SpamapS | we may also have found a point of scale failure in storyboard with https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000773 | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | since it won't load for me right now | 22:29 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i wonder if some stuck in review should go in blocked, or if we need to ping people (possibly me? though i think i've been keeping up) | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: Indeed, I think that's a worthwhile thing to do.. review them and see if there are some that need kicking out | 22:29 |
| SpamapS | I haven't looked closely | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | I can go back and look at the stories I created, to make sure I properly closed things | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i know the layoutvalidator tests are another area that's different enough in v3 to need a rethink. | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | jamielennox: this one looks like it just needs work https://review.openstack.org/406699 | 22:31 |
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| jamielennox | SpamapS: yep, i was just thinking about that one, i'll try and re-propose today | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | ^5 | 22:31 |
| jeblair | i'll +0 that so i stop masking jhesketh's -1 | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | other than that there's just Adam and my tests waiting | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: oh also this one https://review.openstack.org/396684 | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | test_time_database | 22:32 |
| pabelanger | right, I can look at that again | 22:32 |
| jeblair | i know there was a lot of travel recently so i refrained from +3ing those last week, but i'll do so tomorrow if no one else has yet. | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | feels like most of the ones left are the "hard ones" | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | though there might still be a few low hanging fruit growing | 22:33 |
| jeblair | so likely good opportunities to do more substantial v3 dev work. i remain available to help guide anyone who wants to pick one of those. :) | 22:34 |
| jeblair | and of course, happy to help with pre-filtering if you want to know "what would fixing this test entail?" | 22:35 |
| jeblair | is that about it for tests? | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I like the idea of pre-filtering | 22:36 |
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| SpamapS | I wonder if we could break the remaining ones out into a few classes. | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | and retire the current story. | 22:36 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: possibly, but i think i'd prefer to continue to do it on demand. | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: ACK, that's all I have then. | 22:39 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul Ansible running | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | i added this to the agenda because i suspect there's going to be opportunity for more people to jump in on things soon | 22:39 |
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| jeblair | my current line of development is mostly around actually running playbooks (as mentioned earlier) | 22:40 |
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| jeblair | i'll be adding pre- and post- playbooks soon (which will need mordred's security context stuff from the v2 ansible launcher), and then i think we might actually write some ansible :) | 22:41 |
| mordred | yay ansible! | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | I heard it was a thing | 22:41 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: i pulled https://review.openstack.org/385964 into that stack -- your commit message was spot on -- it is very useful for those things. :) | 22:41 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: yeah, when I was looking at that I was looking at adding the pre/post playbooks as you are now | 22:42 |
| jhesketh | but I got distracted by other commitments to follow up | 22:42 |
| jhesketh | I'm hoping to return to some of it now, but will chat to you later so not to step on your toes | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | I'm pretty sure it's a thing, because my socks say "Ansible" on them. | 22:42 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: cool, thanks :) | 22:43 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: it was very helpful :) | 22:43 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:44 |
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| SpamapS | do I get to link? | 22:44 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: all yours | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | Apologies for my absence the last few meetings, I haven't been able to attend much to this board or talk about it. | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | What I see there is mostly that we have _a ton_ of work still. | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | But progress has definitely been made. | 22:45 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: some ansible tasks are in backlog -- is that correct? | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | If you're working on v3, and you don't see your name on that item above, please make sure there's a story or a task on a story, and that the story is tagged 'zuulv3' | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | yeah looks like rcarrillocruz tasks are all over in backlog. Probably shoudl be switched to in progress right? | 22:47 |
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| rcarrillocruz | the installer is def. backlog | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | the write localrc too | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | but log collector | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | i don't remember | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll check and update SB accordingly | 22:48 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: sounds good | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | AWESOME | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | oops | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | capslockfail | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | anyway that's all I have. | 22:49 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: i think you had it right | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | true | 22:49 |
| jeblair | #topic Fedmsg reporter (pabelanger) | 22:49 |
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| pabelanger | ohai, so i start hacking on this today, because of some discussions at devconf.cz. I wanted to simply highlight the fact some code is online, but opens the topic of how to report data into fedmsg. | 22:50 |
| pabelanger | I was going to propose a simple json format, of the string we have today, but wasn't sure if we should talk more about it | 22:51 |
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| pabelanger | patch is working BTW, I am hoping to add something to our integration testing too | 22:51 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: you might want to consult the sqlalchemy reporter too, that formalizes some data structures | 22:51 |
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| pabelanger | okay, I will poke into that | 22:51 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: tbh, i'd prefer some good fakes for this. :) | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | yes, I could use some help with it. I have something going today, on how we do smtp reports. But feedback is most welcome | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | that is about it, just getting it on the radar of people | 22:52 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: (if it's easy to spin up a fedmsg system with a fake broker, that could be done in unit tests) | 22:53 |
| pabelanger | fedmsg-tail is what we would use. threebean suggested that | 22:53 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: but does that require a zeromq running? | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | nope, it works in passive mode | 22:55 |
| jeblair | ok cool. that sounds plausible then. :) | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | ya | 22:55 |
| jeblair | #topic JJB to ansible-playbook (onetime) converter (pabelanger) | 22:55 |
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| SpamapS | I'm very curious about that one. | 22:56 |
| pabelanger | So, I'd like to start work on out 1 time converter, i have no code started yet. I think it is something we might be ready to get going in parallel | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | i know mordred expressed interest in this topic too | 22:56 |
| pabelanger | this would be for our openstack-infra JJB | 22:56 |
| mordred | yah - my initial thoughts were that we are _currently_ converting on the fly at runtime | 22:57 |
| pabelanger | however, other JJB people are curious on this converter too | 22:57 |
| mordred | so I was going to start with the code in zuul ansiblelauncher and use what it's doing to run the conversion on _everything_ | 22:57 |
| mordred | then see the carnage | 22:57 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, mordred: it may be worth designing it so that it can handle our limited use of jjb, but expandible to handle more jjb so that other folks can enhance it? | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | Yeah the real question is, does Zuul want to maintain that code long term, or would the world be better if v3 just did a one-time converter and left it behind. | 22:57 |
| mordred | then iterate on special cases | 22:57 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: yes, my thought too | 22:58 |
| mordred | yah - I think other people will need a migraiton tool, so maintaining it to some definition of maintain is likely friendly of us | 22:58 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i think that we don't want to maintain a general jjb -> ansible tool in perpituity. but considering that there are other v2 zuuls out there that may benefit from it, continuing to support a one-time tool for a while may be useful | 22:59 |
| mordred | yah. what jeblair said | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | Or even people just running Jenkins with no zuul, they would be interested to see how JJB -> ansible looks like | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | ack | 22:59 |
| mordred | yup. and what of their jjb would break things :) | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | time | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | 5s | 22:59 |
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| jeblair | we can continue in #zuul if needed | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 23:00:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-30-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-30-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | cheers | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-01-30-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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| jlk | cheers | 23:01 |
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