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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 22 14:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
| devkulkarni | Here is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2017-02-22_1400_UTC | 14:00 |
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| zhurong | hey Dev | 14:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi zhu nice to see you | 14:01 |
| pt_15 | Hey devkulkarni and zhurong! | 14:01 |
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| devkulkarni | hi pt_15 | 14:01 |
| zhurong | hey pt_15 | 14:01 |
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| zhurong | long time no see | 14:02 |
| devkulkarni | nice to see you too after long time | 14:02 |
| pt_15 | yeah, had gotten busy with work at college | 14:02 |
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| devkulkarni | I believe Ablu is also around today | 14:02 |
| Ablu | yep | 14:03 |
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| Ablu | hi | 14:03 |
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| devkulkarni | alright.. lets get started | 14:03 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
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| devkulkarni | Updates from Atlanta PTG | 14:03 |
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| devkulkarni | Earlier this week I was in Atlanta attending the project team gathering | 14:04 |
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| devkulkarni | The main thing that I had on my agenda for PTG was to meet with some of the TC members and appraise them of where we are currently with the project and figure out the options going forward | 14:05 |
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| devkulkarni | I was able to do that meeting. I met with Thierry and Doug | 14:05 |
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| devkulkarni | As I mentioned to some of you over email, there is going to be more pressure on openstack teams that don't have enough contributors | 14:06 |
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| devkulkarni | for example, without enough contributors it will be hard for teams to satisfy openstack wide goals that are being proposed for each cycle | 14:07 |
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| devkulkarni | take for instance this cycle -- there are two goals: Python 3.5 compatibility and Making API layer wsgi compliant | 14:08 |
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| devkulkarni | while we are fine with the Python 3.5 compatibility goal, we still need to work on the API layer compliance goal | 14:08 |
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| devkulkarni | the main point was that beyond satisfying the goals we should be producing newer features | 14:09 |
| zhurong | lack of contributors is not our reason | 14:09 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: sure | 14:09 |
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| devkulkarni | at the same time we do need long term commitment from more than us so that we keep on adding new features and also keep on satisfying the goals | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni | so let me quickly update you on the commitment part | 14:11 |
| devkulkarni | I had reached out to Hong Bin to see if he and his organization might be interested | 14:12 |
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| devkulkarni | He has said that he is interested personally but does not know about org level interest | 14:12 |
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| devkulkarni | So given that all of us have interest in the project but there is no org level interest, what should be done? That was what discussed with the TC members | 14:13 |
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| devkulkarni | The options that came up was essentially try to see if we can get some org-level buy in if possible soon. | 14:15 |
| zhurong | what is the answer? | 14:15 |
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| devkulkarni | If that is not happening then one option is to remove ourselves from official governance so that we don't have to worry about satisfying openstack-wide requirements (such as goals, release deadlines, etc.). We can still operate as an Openstack project with PTL etc. just that we won't have to abide by the strict policies | 14:16 |
| devkulkarni | how would you guys feel about this route? | 14:17 |
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| devkulkarni | We don't have to take the decision right now | 14:18 |
| devkulkarni | I told the TC members that let me get back with the team and discuss this | 14:18 |
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| zhurong | I think we should stay in big tent | 14:18 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: sure, we can probably do that as long as we get more buy in, more contributors essentially | 14:20 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: as I had asked you some time back, is it possible for your org to participate more? If you want, I can reach out to ppl in your org to make the case | 14:20 |
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| devkulkarni | also, Hong Bin has mentioned that he is going to check with other contributors from Zun team to see if they might be interested in contributing | 14:21 |
| zhurong | that is a difficult thing, but most of the project have the same problem, so we can keep in watching | 14:21 |
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| devkulkarni | good point.. there is a meeting today in PTG about designate's situation | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | which is also in similar boat | 14:22 |
| devkulkarni | I am hoping that something concrete might come out of it | 14:23 |
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| zhurong | we can do our best, other things seems we can not control. :D | 14:24 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: that is true :) | 14:24 |
| devkulkarni | however, we as a team need to take the decision on this. one thing that TC made clear is they will not force us to do anything | 14:25 |
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| devkulkarni | so it is up to us | 14:26 |
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| vijendar | Hi all | 14:27 |
| devkulkarni | my current inclination is slightly towards going unofficial if we don't get buy-in in a months time or so as that will give us breathing space from not having to follow the strict requirements of being part of big tent | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni | we have zhurong, pt_15, and Ablu with us today | 14:28 |
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| Ablu | Hi | 14:28 |
| Ablu | well... I fear that I cannot contribute too much to this discussion... | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: we are discussing about PTG and how should we proceed | 14:28 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: ack | 14:28 |
| Ablu | I do can only contribute in my freetime... which is very limited | 14:28 |
| Ablu | my irc client hangs... | 14:29 |
| vijendar | I see | 14:29 |
| zhurong | we can follow all the requirements | 14:29 |
| zhurong | we can control this | 14:30 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: I like your positive attitude :) | 14:30 |
| vijendar | currently what requirements are not being satisfied by solum project? | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: there are nothing that we are not satisfying currently | 14:31 |
| zhurong | as you mentioned, there are just two goals | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | we are on track | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: yes, there are only two goals right now and one of that we have already satisfied | 14:31 |
| devkulkarni | so for this cycle I think we don't have an issue | 14:32 |
| zhurong | yep, we just need finish the wsgi goal | 14:32 |
| vijendar | ok. then what is the need to go out of big tent? My fear is, if we go out of big tent, probably it's not easy to come in | 14:32 |
| vijendar | wsgi goal seems to be simple one | 14:32 |
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| zhurong | agree with vijendar | 14:33 |
| devkulkarni | I am thinking longer term.. what about next cycle, the cycle after that, etc. also, beyond goals we need to keep on adding new features.. but unless someone is actively using our project we won't know what to add | 14:33 |
| zhurong | if we leave, we can not back | 14:33 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: I don't think that is the case..I think any project can re-apply | 14:34 |
| zhurong | if we out of bing tend, there are more hopeless to get contributors | 14:34 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: agree, unless some is using, all the development effort we put in is wasted | 14:34 |
| devkulkarni | zhurong: agree | 14:34 |
| vijendar | *someone | 14:34 |
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| devkulkarni | ok, this is good discussion | 14:35 |
| vijendar | zhurong agree if we go out, it's difficult to get contributors/adoption | 14:35 |
| devkulkarni | in any case we don't have to take any decision today | 14:35 |
| vijendar | right | 14:36 |
| devkulkarni | lets keep on thinking more and discuss again next week | 14:36 |
| devkulkarni | one thing that Thierry did mention to me is if TC starts looking at number of contributors then it may affect us | 14:37 |
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| devkulkarni | but that is only an 'if' at this stage | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni | they are not looking at that at this moment | 14:38 |
| devkulkarni | in fact, let me share transcript from one of the TC meetings some time back in which Solum was being discussed | 14:38 |
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| devkulkarni | vijendar, zhurong: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-01-24-20.00.log.html#l-195 | 14:39 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni: reading | 14:42 |
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| devkulkarni | ack | 14:42 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong, vijendar: thoughts/comments? | 14:46 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni: what they were discussing there is true! | 14:47 |
| devkulkarni | yes, the point about the patches is true | 14:48 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: let's see if we can make difference this cycle, otherwise let's go out of big tent towards the end of this cycle | 14:48 |
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| devkulkarni | that is one option.. I was thinking month/month and half, but end of this cycle is also a good time marker for us to re-evaluate where we stand | 14:50 |
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| zhurong | as I know, most of the projects are all the same | 14:50 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: from contributions point-of-view other projects might be slightly better than us, otherwise they would have also come up in TC discussion. But TC seems to have only discussed us and AppCatalog | 14:51 |
| zhurong | there are no org support, there are lack of contributors | 14:51 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: ack | 14:53 |
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| devkulkarni | lets do this.. | 14:53 |
| zhurong | agree | 14:54 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: I mean, I am saying that lets do the following: | 14:54 |
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| devkulkarni | - lets take this week to think more about this issue | 14:55 |
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| devkulkarni | in the mean time I will ping Hong Bin to see if he has any further information for us | 14:55 |
| vijendar | ok | 14:55 |
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| devkulkarni | we can discuss again in our next week meeting | 14:56 |
| zhurong | that is a sad thing :( | 14:56 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong: I understand.. but we are not deciding on anything yet.. I just shared where TC is leaning on this | 14:57 |
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| devkulkarni | I personally also feel the same way as you are feeling. trust me.. ultimately though it is going to be up to us to make an informed decision.. | 14:59 |
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| devkulkarni | zhurong, vijendar, pt_15, Ablu: thanks for attending the meeting today | 15:00 |
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| devkulkarni | lets continue in solum irc channel | 15:00 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 15:00:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-02-22-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-02-22-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-02-22-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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