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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | (yawn!) Anyone here? | 14:00 |
| macsz | O/ | 14:00 |
| _gryf | \o | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | pretty quiet this morning | 14:02 |
| edleafe | I guess people are still recovering from the PTG | 14:02 |
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| macsz | It was an exhausting week | 14:02 |
| edleafe | agreed! | 14:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
| * bauzas still a bit jet-lagged | 14:03 | |
| macsz | Summit with it's market place distractions was more like a holiday :D | 14:03 |
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| * edleafe still a bit jet-lagged too, even with just a 1hr difference :) | 14:04 | |
| jroll | \o sorry I'm late | 14:04 |
| * edleafe makes jroll sit in the back | 14:05 | |
| bauzas | do we really need some meeting distractions today ? :) | 14:05 |
| jroll | edleafe: joke's on you, now I can call you names and you can't hear me | 14:05 |
| bauzas | AFAICS, all the meeting attendees were in the PTG rooms :) | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I'm still digging out from a week off | 14:05 |
| jroll | same for me - I don't have anything to share/ask here | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jroll: jokes on you - with my ears I couldn't hear you no matter where you sit | 14:06 |
| jroll | heh | 14:06 |
| bauzas | we had some topics that were undiscussed during that cycle, but we could point them out next week once everybody fully recovers from that hard week | 14:06 |
| bauzas | my brain is still damaged | 14:06 |
| edleafe | So unless anyone has anything critical to share, let's just continue recovering from PTG | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Anything that needs discussion can happen in -nova | 14:07 |
| jroll | wfm | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 14:07:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-27-14.00.html | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-27-14.00.txt | 14:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-02-27-14.00.log.html | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | \o/ | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | macsz: ah, PTG was just like the summit for me, I guess folks skipped more sessions at the summit or something? | 14:12 |
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| macsz | Monday/Tuesday was basically only a panels and market place crawl | 14:14 |
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| macsz | johnthetubaguy: ^ | 14:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | macsz: well one of those I was in oops feedback sessions all day, the other was cross project I think? | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | macsz: but they were a bit of a warm up in some ways! | 14:16 |
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| macsz | johnthetubaguy: maybe I was just confused where should I be at, it was my first summit :) | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | macsz: yeah, it took me a few summits before I could join in properly | 14:17 |
| macsz | johnthetubaguy: and I still have one bag full of stuff that I regret taking from the market place | 14:17 |
| macsz | johnthetubaguy: ptg was batter, though I was confused about where the API stuff was on Monday | 14:19 |
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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 16:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims,dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero,haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz,lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo,rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar,therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| jaosorior | o/ | 16:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| ansmith_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| gcb | welcome back from PTG :-) | 16:01 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia | 16:01 |
| dims | o/ | 16:01 |
| electrocucaracha | Nothing from Neutron | 16:01 |
| gcb | hi dims | 16:02 |
| gcb | nothing from Nova | 16:02 |
| rloo | nothing from ironic | 16:02 |
| gcb | Nothing is good lol | 16:02 |
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| dims | ++ :) | 16:02 |
| gcb | the only thing I can remember is about olso messaging CI failure | 16:03 |
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| gcb | will try to figure out the root cause | 16:04 |
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| gcb | let's move on | 16:04 |
| gcb | #topic Releases for Pike | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Sorry I am a little late. No Red Flags from Cinder | 16:05 |
| gcb | jungleboyj, thanks | 16:05 |
| dims | yes, please! waiting on oslo.messaging release for pike (which will help merge kombu update - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438565/) | 16:05 |
| kgiusti | oslo.messaging fix release | 16:05 |
| kgiusti | dims: great minds think alike.. :) | 16:05 |
| dims | :) | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | Yes, the kombu fix will be nice to have. | 16:07 |
| dims | gcb : did harlowja walk you through the testing he does before asking for oslo releases? | 16:07 |
| gcb | dims: periodic task ? | 16:07 |
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| dims | y | 16:08 |
| gcb | yes, He told me need check the status before releasing | 16:08 |
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| gcb | Does anyone need new release for Pike ? | 16:10 |
| gcb | I think we can do weekly release in next week | 16:10 |
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| dims | ++ gcb, only rush is the oslo.messaging/pike this week | 16:11 |
| gcb | dims, okay will add you as reviewer if I want to release new versions for oslo :-) | 16:12 |
| dims | thanks gcb | 16:12 |
| gcb | dims: np | 16:13 |
| gcb | We have another release cycle with 6 month according to https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:13 |
| gcb | s/month/months | 16:14 |
| gcb | then we have more time to make oslo better :-) | 16:14 |
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| gcb | #topic Daily work | 16:14 |
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| gcb | feel free to add items in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-pike-tracking | 16:15 |
| gcb | #topic PTG | 16:15 |
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| gcb | I sent out a summary of oslo sessions at PTG. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112881.html | 16:16 |
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| gcb | you can check what we have discussed at the PTG | 16:16 |
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| gcb | thanks everyone show up at the PTG and bear my incoherent English :-) | 16:17 |
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| gcb | we aslo discussed the time of weekly meeting during the PTG. It's midnight from me, I try to find out another time slot if possible. | 16:18 |
| johnsom | Sorry I didn't get time to stop in the oslo room. Very full schedule for us. | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | fyi: got an etherpad with some ideas re: common config: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/common_driver_config | 16:19 |
| gcb | johnsom , it doesn't matter :-) | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | any input - esp. proposed keywords would be greatly appreciated | 16:19 |
| gcb | link https://framadate.org/9Q15UYR19fzdqhol | 16:19 |
| gcb | yeah good improvement for oslo.messaging | 16:20 |
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| gcb | I created the poll request link, If there is no good time slot for you, just add comments about your proposal :-) | 16:20 |
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| gcb | I would like to post a email about the weekly meeting , getting more feedback | 16:21 |
| gcb | If everyone doesn't like other time slot , we can still use the time slot as before | 16:23 |
| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
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| gcb | Is anything someone want to raise ? | 16:24 |
| electrocucaracha | gcb: I have curiosity about the performance improvements or efforts | 16:24 |
| gcb | electrocucaracha, which library ? | 16:25 |
| electrocucaracha | gcb: any new discovery or something crossproject that can be change it or used? in general | 16:25 |
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| gcb | I know osprofiler is used to collect time stamps for each request | 16:27 |
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| electrocucaracha | yeah, that is in terms of communication. | 16:29 |
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| gcb | electrocucaracha, what other do you expect exactly? | 16:31 |
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| electrocucaracha | gcb: well several years ago was a concern of the amount of memory that some OS projects was consuming | 16:32 |
| electrocucaracha | gcb: I know that some isolated efforts have been doing but I just wondering if those end in a cross project effort | 16:33 |
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| gcb | yeah, we talked about this before, the only thing I can remember we have added some track code for deep digging | 16:37 |
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| gcb | electrocucaracha, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112287.html | 16:39 |
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| gcb | electrocucaracha, that's all I have tracked | 16:40 |
| electrocucaracha | gcb: thanks | 16:41 |
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| gcb | I think that's an interesting thing we can do across projects, maybe lead to a simple library to generate memory usage in runtime | 16:43 |
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| gcb | okay, any other things ? | 16:44 |
| gcb | 3 | 16:44 |
| gcb | 2 | 16:44 |
| gcb | 1 | 16:45 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 16:45 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 16:45:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-27-16.00.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-27-16.00.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2017/oslo.2017-02-27-16.00.log.html | 16:45 |
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| kfarr | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 20:00:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kfarr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| kfarr | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 20:02 |
| kfarr | Not too many barbicaneers today! | 20:03 |
| * redrobot hears crickets | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | lol | 20:03 |
| redrobot | hi kfarr !!! | 20:03 |
| kfarr | hey redrobot :] | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:03 |
| redrobot | kfarr how was ATL? | 20:03 |
| kfarr | ATL was great! Pretty productive | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | mrhillsman ping | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | +1 | 20:04 |
| kfarr | #topic PTG Update | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Update (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| kfarr | Here are the notes from Barbican: | 20:05 |
| kfarr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:05 |
| kfarr | and from security: | 20:05 |
| kfarr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | most interesting thing I think was the cross-project meeting AWG | 20:05 |
| kfarr | also, our team photo! | 20:05 |
| kfarr | #link https://www.flickr.com/photos/152419717@N06/32267857373/in/album-72157680602754246/ | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | they want to make key-manager a base service and perhaps make oslo adopt castellan | 20:06 |
| kfarr | Yes, oslo.keymanager | 20:06 |
| kfarr | bpoulos and I were going to reach out to oslo to see how we needed to go about that | 20:06 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan, unless you think it would be better coming from the PTL? | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr go for it. let me know if you need anything from me. | 20:07 |
| kfarr | Gotcha. We also talked a lot about a Vault plugin | 20:07 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:08 |
| kfarr | hyakuhei has a WIP patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438009/ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | could we change the name to solo and keep ownership? | 20:09 |
| kfarr | redrobot, as far as I know, we would still keep ownership | 20:09 |
| kfarr | we, meaning the barbican team | 20:09 |
| redrobot | the reason we have Castellan in the first place is because the Oslo team did not feel they had enough domain knowledge to review patches for oslo.key_manager | 20:09 |
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| kfarr | Yeah, it was my understanding that it would just be a name change, everything else would stay the same | 20:10 |
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| * redrobot wonders if we can clean up the namespace a bit for that rename? | 20:11 | |
| kfarr | Yess, I hope so too | 20:11 |
| kfarr | would love your opinions on that, redrobot | 20:11 |
| kfarr | exactly my thoughts | 20:11 |
| redrobot | kfarr great minds think alike ;) | 20:11 |
| kfarr | hopefully no more common.objects | 20:11 |
| redrobot | \o/ | 20:12 |
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| alee | presumably we'd need to make sure things are backward compatible? or would we need to make changes in any case? | 20:12 |
| alee | and so we can grandfather things in .. | 20:12 |
| kfarr | We would have to switch out the library in each project anyway | 20:12 |
| mrhillsman | hey | 20:12 |
| mrhillsman | sorry so late | 20:13 |
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| mrhillsman | was in uc meeting | 20:13 |
| kfarr | Thanksk mrhillsman! We're still catching up on the PTG | 20:13 |
| kfarr | Does anyone want to talk about anything in particular about the PTG? | 20:14 |
| kfarr | Otherwise we can move on to the other agenda items | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | can we get some action items on the base services stuff? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | the oslo weekly meeting is on Mondays | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I can bring it up next monday? Or maybe email the ML to get things rolling? | 20:15 |
| kfarr | #action kfarr to talk to oslo about switching castellan to oslo.keymanager | 20:15 |
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| kfarr | redrobot, the oslo meeting already happened today? | 20:16 |
| kfarr | Do you usually go to those meetings? | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-pike-ptg-barbican-discussion | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | those are the notes from that discussion. ArchWG took the action item "to engage consuming products". we should sync with Clint to stay in the loop | 20:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | we should start a list of our internal actions items on "how can we make castellan better while we're renaming it?" | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | kfarr yeah, meeting was this morning. I usually check it on the eavesdrop log, but I can attend next week. | 20:20 |
| redrobot | or just go ping some folks in #openstack-oslo | 20:20 |
| kfarr | Started an etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-keymanager | 20:20 |
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| kfarr | Ok cool, I can do that | 20:21 |
| kfarr | Ok, anything else? | 20:21 |
| kfarr | Moving on to... | 20:22 |
| kfarr | #topic Backlog review | 20:22 |
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| kfarr | During the PTG, we cleaned up the bugs for barbican | 20:23 |
| kfarr | Went from 72 bugs to 46! | 20:23 |
| redrobot | \o/ | 20:23 |
| kfarr | Though the review backlog still has a bunch of patches up | 20:23 |
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| kfarr | So code reviews from everyone would be much appreciated | 20:24 |
| kfarr | Moving on.. | 20:24 |
| kfarr | #topic Tempest testing | 20:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest testing (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:24 | |
| kfarr | Dane and Brianna have been working on the image signing scenario | 20:24 |
| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431241/ | 20:24 |
| kfarr | They got it to pass during the PTG | 20:25 |
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| kfarr | but then infra made some changes to how the gates use localrc / local.conf, so now it's broken | 20:25 |
| kfarr | waiting for changes on the infra side | 20:25 |
| kfarr | Also, we made some changes to decouple the barbican-tempest-plugin install from the barbican devstack plugin | 20:25 |
| kfarr | Which makes one less dependency for other projects (like ocatvia) who want to test barbican in the gate | 20:26 |
| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437028/ | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Brianna gave a walkthrough of the image signing scenario test during the PTG | 20:26 |
| kfarr | so if anyone has ideas for other barbican integration tests they'd like to see, we're open to them | 20:27 |
| kfarr | That's all I've got for that, so moving on... | 20:27 |
| kfarr | #topic Operator's adopt-a-prokject | 20:27 |
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| kfarr | #topic Operator's adopt-a-prokect | 20:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operator's adopt-a-prokect (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:28 | |
| kfarr | #topic Operator's adopt-a-project | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Operator's adopt-a-project (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:28 | |
| dave-mccowan | mrhillsman any update? | 20:28 |
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| mrhillsman | so | 20:30 |
| mrhillsman | we have nothing from any barbican team members yet | 20:30 |
| mrhillsman | raddaoui_____: | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | what do you need from us? | 20:30 |
| mrhillsman | is the point of contact within osic | 20:30 |
| mrhillsman | an example is what ironic folks put | 20:31 |
| mrhillsman | they are going to start work on rolling upgrades | 20:31 |
| kfarr | Probably here, right? | 20:31 |
| kfarr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 20:31 |
| mrhillsman | and would like to have us install and test it | 20:31 |
| raddaoui_____ | o/ everyone | 20:31 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 20:31 |
| mrhillsman | we do not have any specifics from our end beyond what we have there | 20:31 |
| mrhillsman | if that works, great | 20:32 |
| mrhillsman | scope is not defined right now | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | some things that would be great to have from operators: | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | - What is needed from Barbican to increase adoption? | 20:32 |
| mrhillsman | beyond trying to help barbican climb maturity scale | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | - We have a back log of old bugs, maybe you can help us recreate/triage them to see if they are still valid. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | - Review our documentation from an operator's perspective, and help us update | 20:33 |
| mrhillsman | ok, anything else? | 20:34 |
| mrhillsman | i added those two | 20:34 |
| redrobot | operators == folks running openstack clouds currently? | 20:34 |
| mrhillsman | yeah | 20:34 |
| redrobot | I'm curious to know if anyone has existing key management solutions in place | 20:35 |
| redrobot | e.g. existing access to HSMs, or other secret storing service | 20:35 |
| mrhillsman | captures | 20:35 |
| mrhillsman | captured | 20:35 |
| redrobot | if so, hardware or software based? | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | Also, should include install issues/suggestions | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | our biggest source of questions seems to be from users of Octavia and Barbican together. it'd be nice to have that scenario better tested and documented. | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | against the install docs | 20:36 |
| redrobot | yeah, | 20:36 |
| redrobot | I think our CLI has to be better | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:36 |
| redrobot | I'd still like to see the --file patches land | 20:36 |
| redrobot | so you can | 20:36 |
| mrhillsman | all good stuff | 20:36 |
| redrobot | openstack secret create --name "my RSA key" --file key.pem | 20:36 |
| mrhillsman | keep going :) | 20:36 |
| mrhillsman | i'm adding to etherpad hehe | 20:36 |
| mrhillsman | this is basically what we would like | 20:36 |
| mrhillsman | random stuff going on there | 20:37 |
| mrhillsman | then we can figure out what all we can do | 20:37 |
| redrobot | it'll be interesting to learn how many folks are not using centralized key management | 20:37 |
| redrobot | there was a question on a ML thread on whether operators wanted a key manager that could also work outside openstack | 20:38 |
| mrhillsman | was just about to touch on that again, we did not think about, at least i did not, assisting with info gathering | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | looks like offline upgrade capabilites would give us another point on the project tracker | 20:41 |
| mrhillsman | anything else? | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #link https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/barbican | 20:41 |
| redrobot | as well as minimal rolling upgrade | 20:41 |
| redrobot | I think minimal may already be working | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | also, why does that youtube video make me look cheekier than I really am? | 20:42 |
| redrobot | :-P | 20:42 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 20:42 |
| mrhillsman | i was like, is that doug | 20:43 |
| redrobot | I can't think of anything else, but I'll add it to the etherpad if I do | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | i think we have good offline upgrade support. we need to add a gate test for upgrade to get the point. | 20:44 |
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| kfarr | Alright! Anything else for this topic before we move on? | 20:45 |
| kfarr | Thanks mrhillsman and raddaoui_____ | 20:45 |
| kfarr | moving on.. | 20:45 |
| kfarr | #topic code review requests | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "code review requests (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:46 | |
| kfarr | We've got a few from Jeremy | 20:46 |
| kfarr | Maintain policy in code: | 20:46 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431524/ | 20:46 |
| kfarr | Fix serializable issues: | 20:46 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431405/ | 20:46 |
| kfarr | Fix kmip plugin: | 20:46 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414405/ | 20:46 |
| kfarr | Refactor barbicanclient: | 20:47 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403604/ | 20:47 |
| kfarr | I've got a few, too: | 20:47 |
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| kfarr | Add list filter feature to python-barbicanclient: | 20:47 |
| mrhillsman | thanks for entertaining us! | 20:47 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400370/ | 20:48 |
| kfarr | Add ability to get only metadata in Castellan: | 20:48 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412558/ | 20:48 |
| kfarr | Remove barbican-tempest-plugin from devstack plugin: | 20:49 |
| kfarr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437028/ | 20:49 |
| raddaoui_____ | thanks everybody we have a lot of work now | 20:49 |
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| kfarr | Does anyone have anything else? | 20:49 |
| kfarr | Otherwise, let's open it up to any other business | 20:50 |
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| kfarr | Ok, sounds like that's it for today | 20:52 |
| redrobot | thanks kfarr ! | 20:52 |
| kfarr | Thanks for coming! | 20:52 |
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| kfarr | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 20:52:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-27-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-27-20.00.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-02-27-20.00.log.html | 20:52 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 21:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| leong | #topic rollcall | 21:01 |
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| leong | who is here for product wg meeting? | 21:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
| GeraldK | hi | 21:01 |
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| leong | hi meganr, geraldk | 21:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello everybody | 21:02 |
| leong | just want to make sure we have quorum to start the meeting... :) | 21:02 |
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| leong | hi arkady | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I need time on agenda for Milan meeting details | 21:03 |
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| shamail | hi evertibe | 21:03 |
| shamail | everyone* | 21:03 |
| leong | hi shamail | 21:04 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hy shamail | 21:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hi | 21:04 |
| AndyU_ | hi all | 21:04 |
| leong | hi andy... | 21:04 |
| leong | i think we got enough quorum to start :) | 21:05 |
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| shamail | Hi AndyU_ and Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:05 |
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| leong | #topic Action items from last meeting | 21:05 |
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| AndyU_ | Hi Shamail | 21:05 |
| leong | #chair add shamail | 21:05 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: add | 21:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: add leong shamail | 21:05 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 21:06 |
| leong | let;s do a quick review on previous meeting AR | 21:06 |
| leong | #link previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-13-21.00.html | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | mid-cycle location and related info emailed. etherpad updated | 21:07 |
| shamail | Leong: I did not send an email about the midcycle agenda but have been socializing it at every chance. The agenda seems fairly packed now. | 21:07 |
| leong | ok note | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | still have 3 open items I want to bring today | 21:07 |
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| shamail | I also did not propose the ops session since that seems to be a full agenda (had read only access) | 21:07 |
| leong | got it... | 21:07 |
| shamail | I have been given access now and will try to discuss with the ops midcycle planning team to see if there is room | 21:08 |
| leong | arkady, do you have any update on the location? | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes. Location is set. | 21:08 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and DellEMC | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I sent email on that. | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Also info on hotels near by and rates. | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | etherpad updated also. | 21:09 |
| leong | thanks arkady | 21:09 |
| leong | any security needed from entering the DellEMC office? | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Let me know when we are ready to jump i nto midcycle planning | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I do not have an etherpad pointer. if you do please place it here | 21:10 |
| leong | ok.. looks like we are good at previous meeting follow-up | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | No security issues. I will provide a list of attendees a week before it. | 21:10 |
| leong | #link Midcycle planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:10 |
| leong | let's move on to next topic real quick | 21:10 |
| leong | #topic "open" gerrit review | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""open" gerrit review (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:10 | |
| leong | anything that need to review on existing gerrit list? | 21:11 |
| leong | #link gerrit review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open | 21:11 |
| GeraldK | how do we proceed with the capacity mgmt gap analysis? | 21:11 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:12 |
| leong | i sent out an email about gap analysis for capacity management... | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes. I am waiting for reviews on 2 of my pull requests | 21:12 |
| GeraldK | can we accept this first part of the gap analysis and then work on a second patch to add the missing parts? | 21:12 |
| Rockyg | GeraldK, ++ | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577/ - this one? | 21:13 |
| GeraldK | also, I had proposed to take out the quota related parts and merge it into the new quota mgmt user story? | 21:13 |
| leong | thanks arkady.. | 21:13 |
| shamail | hi mrhillsman and Rockyg | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I do not think we agreed on the format and content on gap analysis. | 21:13 |
| Rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, you got it before I could ask | 21:13 |
| leong | #link Capacity Management Gap Analysis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434577 | 21:13 |
| GeraldK | Arkady_Kanevsky: yes. this one | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | will review it tonight. | 21:14 |
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| leong | pleease also refer my email here: | 21:14 |
| leong | #link Gap Analysis question http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001749.html | 21:14 |
| GeraldK | Arkady_Kanevsky: yes, we had agreed on the template | 21:14 |
| GeraldK | #link https://review.openstack.org/426994 template for gap analysis | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | was it merged? I missed it I guess. | 21:15 |
| leong | the template is agreed | 21:15 |
| shamail | Yeah | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nice on format | 21:15 |
| leong | #link Gap Template Agreed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426994/ | 21:15 |
| GeraldK | yes, we had agreed on it and had decided to revisit it after we had some more epxerience on gap analysis | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 Gerald | 21:16 |
| leong | the questions now for Cap Mgmt is that we need other folks to perform gap analysis for other requirements | 21:16 |
| leong | Geraldk and Hiroaki are working on part of the Cap Mgmt, not all requirements | 21:17 |
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| leong | some other requirements in Cap Mgmt was proposed by others | 21:17 |
| Rockyg | I think it might be worthwhile to list all requirements in analysis, then leave either TBD to ones not yet addressed or N/A or INC for those that are in the code base. One location for all reqs so we don't have to go searching. | 21:18 |
| shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we expect/require that every CRM use cases is covered by gap analysis? | 21:18 |
| Rockyg | It also allows us to identify processed requirements versus still to be processed | 21:18 |
| shamail | I agree that we should at least list all requirements in the gap analysis (CRM 1-8) with abstract and then leave the results as TBD | 21:18 |
| leong | rockgy: that's a good suggestion | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | And if soem reqs are already covered then just stated that is already covered not a gap? | 21:18 |
| GeraldK | Rockyg: okay, we can add some TBD. it was our understand that everthying should become one document in the end | 21:18 |
| shamail | that way we can merge it and then update as other requirements get analyzed | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | Yup. | 21:19 |
| shamail | GeraldK: It still will be one document, but updated multiple times | 21:19 |
| leong | geraldk, can you take that action and update those "other" Requirement to TBD | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | good recommendation | 21:19 |
| GeraldK | shamail: yes. i fully agree | 21:19 |
| GeraldK | leong: yes, we will take this task | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | I'll have more at midcycle ;-) | 21:20 |
| leong | #action geraldk to update the gap analysis of capacity management with TDB for those requirements that not currently working on. | 21:20 |
| leong | anything else on the gerrit list before we move on to next topic? | 21:20 |
| * leong calling 3... 2... 1 | 21:20 | |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | need review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428571/ | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426613/ | 21:21 |
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| leong | please remove WIP from the commit title if those are ready for review | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no need for responses now. jusr review in the tool | 21:22 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Will do. Thanks Leong | 21:22 |
| leong | #action all to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428571/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426613/ | 21:22 |
| leong | anything else? | 21:22 |
| leong | #topic Midcycle planning | 21:23 |
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| Rockyg | Up in a window. Will do after meeting | 21:23 |
| leong | #link Midcycle planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-pwg-meetup | 21:23 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | address of the venue - Dell - Viale Piero e Alberto Pirelli 6, Milano | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hotel list at the bottom | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am staying there for 2 days then moving to ops meeting hotel | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 1.Do we need breakfast? Or everybody has it in hotel and we can skip it. | 21:24 |
| leong | i will have breakfast at hotel :-) | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | coffee is what I need... | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | coffee/expresso will be there | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | in some form... | 21:25 |
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| * shamail is adding placeholder time limits to each suggested topic to help with planning, we can adjust them if we think each topic needs to be longer/shorter | 21:25 | |
| Rockyg | excellent! | 21:25 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Coffee is key | 21:26 |
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| leong | nice shamail | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agreed | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | that I already locked on | 21:26 |
| leong | if you have any topic to discuss at the F2F meeting, please add that to tthe planning etherpad | 21:26 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. will drop breakcfast. Coffee all day thru. | 21:26 |
| AndyU_ | yes, breakfast is at hotel for me | 21:26 |
| leong | we will need to finalize the agenda soon | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Next - 2. who is organizing group dinner? Assume it is Monday night. | 21:26 |
| shamail | My initial estimates have us at 12.5 hours | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Which day? Mo nday or Tuesday? | 21:27 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Heidi Joy asked whether it could be Tuesday since some might be jetlagged on Monday | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes on agenda. | 21:27 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am still worried about loogistcis | 21:27 |
| leong | i'm fine on either day | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am ok either day. | 21:27 |
| shamail | leong: can you please add me as chair? | 21:27 |
| leong | i thought i did? :) | 21:27 |
| leong | #chair shamail | 21:27 |
| openstack | Current chairs: add leong shamail | 21:27 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Who want to own oragnizing dinner? | 21:28 |
| shamail | #startvote Should we have dinner on Monday or Tuesday? Monday, Tuesday | 21:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we have dinner on Monday or Tuesday? Valid vote options are Monday, Tuesday. | 21:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:28 |
| shamail | #vote Tuesday | 21:28 |
| leong | #vote Tuesday | 21:28 |
| AndyU_ | #vote Tuesday | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | #vote either day | 21:28 |
| openstack | Arkady_Kanevsky: either day is not a valid option. Valid options are Monday, Tuesday. | 21:28 |
| shamail | lol Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:28 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | #ovet Tuesday | 21:28 |
| shamail | 10 secs and closing | 21:29 |
| Rockyg | #vote Tuesday | 21:29 |
| shamail | #endvote | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so much ofr free choice... | 21:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we have dinner on Monday or Tuesday?" Results are | 21:29 |
| openstack | Tuesday (4): shamail, Rockyg, leong, AndyU_ | 21:29 |
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| shamail | Please add your name to line 15 of the etherpad if you plan to join for dinner | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. done with that. who owns organzing it? | 21:29 |
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| leong | #agreed Product WG midcycle dinner will be on Tuesday | 21:29 |
| AndyU_ | and Arkady's "ovet" | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | not sure if it veto or vote... | 21:30 |
| shamail | I can help organize but I know my organization would not be able to cover the bill. Are we fine with paying seperately? | 21:30 |
| AndyU_ | :) | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | fine with me | 21:30 |
| leong | paying separately :) | 21:30 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 21:30 |
| AndyU_ | yes to paying separately | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | families are welcome | 21:31 |
| shamail | Okay, I will send out an email to the mailing list asking for dietary restrictions | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Shamail | 21:31 |
| shamail | and send a few choices in our next meeting | 21:31 |
| AndyU_ | I may have one more coming from ATT | 21:31 |
| shamail | That's fine AndyU_ | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | final question on logictics - 3.Do we want catered lunch or we will take a break to go for it? | 21:31 |
| AndyU_ | k, good | 21:31 |
| leong | please note that we have room size limitation not to exceed 15 in total | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | andyU add to etherapd | 21:31 |
| leong | i mean for the meeting room | 21:32 |
| AndyU_ | will do | 21:32 |
| shamail | #action shamail to organize group dinner, will find out dietary restrictions to ensure everyone can be accomodated | 21:32 |
| shamail | leong: Looks good, we are at 10 so far | 21:32 |
| leong | worse case we do stand up meeting :-) | 21:32 |
| shamail | I am adding another item to the agenda | 21:32 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | best way to get to agreemnet faster | 21:33 |
| shamail | Reviewing ops midcycle etherpads for action items and planning next steps and volunteering mrhillsman to co-lead that topic | 21:33 |
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| mrhillsman | sure thing | 21:33 |
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| Rockyg | We're at 13 | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail - final logistics item | 21:33 |
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| shamail | what's up Arkady_Kanevsky ? | 21:34 |
| leong | #link Ops midcycle etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | working lunch or break for lunch? | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 3. Do we want catered lunch or we will take a break to go for it? | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | go out or catering? | 21:35 |
| AndyU_ | I'm usually for working through... but whatever ;) | 21:35 |
| shamail | I'm up for taking a break, we'll need some because of the agenda | 21:35 |
| shamail | We are now at 14.5 hours | 21:35 |
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| leong | 14.5 hrs is nearly two full days | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | there are a coupel place in the same building and near by buildings. | 21:36 |
| shamail | 15 min break in AM, 60 min lunch, 15 min break in PM, = 1.5 hours... assuming 9-5 means 6.5 hours per day | 21:36 |
| AndyU_ | will definitely need the break then | 21:36 |
| shamail | Some of these topics might go faster | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. I will ask for info on lunch places and add it to etherpad | 21:37 |
| leong | we need to prioritise the | 21:37 |
| leong | them | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | logistics done | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agenda next | 21:37 |
| shamail | Trimmed 1.5 hours off agenda topics... new total is 13 hours | 21:37 |
| mrhillsman | just throwing it out there | 21:38 |
| AndyU_ | I feel more rested already | 21:38 |
| shamail | Please review lines 21-37 to see if you agree with the allotted time for each topic | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | but there is potential to use some time/space at ops midcycle as well | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | though i assume most of you will be busy with ops stuff :) | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | but you may be able to catch a nap hehe | 21:38 |
| shamail | thanks mrhillsman, anything available near the end on Thursday? This way we could move the Ops Midcycle Action Items to be a session at the ops meetup itself and others could join if interested | 21:38 |
| shamail | We could have a 1 hour session at the end of the ops meetup and invite all moderators + open to all | 21:39 |
| mrhillsman | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need to chat about going to various user teams and enlist them to user story submissions. | 21:39 |
| mrhillsman | there is a breakout reports | 21:39 |
| mrhillsman | 40 minutes | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I mean HPC, NFV and a few others. | 21:39 |
| mrhillsman | not sure what in particular you want to achieve shamail but maybe can be implemented during that time? | 21:40 |
| mrhillsman | and then after there is ops meetups team session | 21:40 |
| mrhillsman | 40 minutes | 21:40 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: I was thinking about a session to consolidate breakout reports into one readout at the end of the meetup | 21:40 |
| mrhillsman | and i do not see why that time could not be used | 21:40 |
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| shamail | This way it is a consolidated list and easier to consume for attendees | 21:40 |
| mrhillsman | because the folks attending that is limited | 21:40 |
| mrhillsman | we can discuss offline if everyone is ok with that or in the ops meetup meeting tomorrow | 21:41 |
| shamail | In the past ops meetups, we have had each moderator come up for 10 min to review their session and that is good info but if we could consolidate ahead of time then we could show next steps rather than a summary of just the conversation | 21:41 |
| mrhillsman | and in the ops meetup meeting i meant | 21:41 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1, offline is good | 21:41 |
| mrhillsman | maybe send me a quick rundown via email shamail and i can bring up tomorrow? | 21:42 |
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| shamail | will do mrhillsman | 21:42 |
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| mrhillsman | cool | 21:42 |
| shamail | If this works out then we could shave an hour off the PWG agenda | 21:42 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: +1, that could be one of the next steps from sessions | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:43 |
| shamail | Are we good on this topic? It seems like all topics can be accommodated so we don't need to take any off the list. | 21:43 |
| leong | nice... are we good at the midcycle planning? anything missing? | 21:43 |
| shamail | LGTM | 21:44 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | godd with me | 21:44 |
| leong | #topic Boston Summit | 21:44 |
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| leong | we presented the PWG forum proposal to UC and the next step is to make a formal proposal for Board approval | 21:44 |
| leong | #link PWG Forum Proposal: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 21:45 |
| leong | shamail, mrhillsman? anything you want to add? | 21:45 |
| shamail | How do we want to handle the sub-team for planning our process for Forum? Do you want to send a doodle poll to establish a weekly meeting? | 21:46 |
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| leong | i think a weekly meeting will be great | 21:47 |
| leong | i will take setup the doodle link | 21:47 |
| shamail | thanks | 21:47 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sounds good. do we also want a separate email thread for it? | 21:47 |
| MeganR | +1 for weekly meeting | 21:47 |
| leong | #action leong to set up a doodle pool to establish weekly meeting for planning Forum progress | 21:47 |
| shamail | leong: we should also take the same proposal to the TC | 21:48 |
| leong | there was also suggestion to apply the "forum proposal" to the ops midcycle | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | am i correct in assuming that the specifics of the proposal have not been worked out due to waiting on the high level view presented to be approved? | 21:48 |
| shamail | because not all sessions will be moderated by UC | 21:48 |
| leong | +1 shamail, is there a dedicated ML for TC? | 21:48 |
| shamail | yes | 21:48 |
| shamail | openstack-tc | 21:48 |
| leong | ok thanks! | 21:48 |
| leong | i believe so mrhillsman | 21:49 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: yes, the proposal currently covers what are things we believe the proposal needs to address but not the specifics on "how" | 21:49 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 21:49 |
| * leong time check 11 mins | 21:49 | |
| leong | anything else to discuss under this topic? | 21:50 |
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| leong | #topic Roadmap Update | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap Update (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:51 | |
| leong | shamail: do you want to take this? | 21:51 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:51 |
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| shamail | looking for a link, hold on | 21:51 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PTLupdatesBoston | 21:52 |
| shamail | In the Boston Summit, there will be a specific initiative to capture updates from up to 32 projects | 21:52 |
| shamail | We (PWG) helped with compiling the original list since it was based on projects that have been included in our roadmap updates in the past | 21:53 |
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| shamail | The goal is to use these new "project updates" videos as a replacement for what used to be the "design series" webinars. | 21:53 |
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| shamail | At this point, the slots have been opened up for self-nomination but we will need volunteers to help create roadmap slides based on the output of these recordings | 21:54 |
| shamail | and, in the more short-term, create slides based on a survey that Heidi Joy recently conducted (which includes questions commonly found on our roadmap questionnaire) | 21:54 |
| shamail | We can discuss changes to the roadmap process in greater detail at the midcycle but is anyone willing to sign up for this sub-team? | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | done | 21:55 |
| MeganR | I won't be at the mid-cycle, but will sign-up for the sub-team now. | 21:55 |
| leong | i belive we need more :) | 21:55 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and MeganR | 21:55 |
| MeganR | I don't know, Arkady is pretty good! :) | 21:55 |
| GeraldK | i can support the subteam | 21:55 |
| leong | should i send out the email to ML and asking support... | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we have a quation in questionare of usage Tempest by usre for valdiation? | 21:56 |
| shamail | Thanks, please add your names starting at line 17 on the etherpad | 21:56 |
| shamail | that's all I had | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ditto for Rally? | 21:56 |
| leong | thanks shamail | 21:56 |
| shamail | leong: Sure | 21:56 |
| leong | #action leong to email ML about supporting Roadmap Update | 21:56 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no, this isn't the user survey but its based on our questionnaire so it contains features and themes data | 21:56 |
| leong | #topic Board/TC/UC joint meeting | 21:56 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | there is # for git adoption. how do we measure it? | 21:57 |
| leong | there is a F2F board meeting with TC/UC and Interop/Product chair at Boston Mar 8th and 9th | 21:57 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we can discuss at midcycle further | 21:57 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 Shamail | 21:57 |
| leong | discussion topics are around OpenStack Future and Strategic Focus Area | 21:58 |
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| leong | i was invited to attend as a Product WG chair. and shamail and mrhillsman will be there as well | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have it on my calendar remotely | 21:59 |
| leong | if you have anything in mind please feel free to contact me, shamail and mrhillsman | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks al. Have a great week. | 21:59 |
| shamail | I will be there only near the end of 3/9 but will send my thoughts ahead of time to Alan, Jonathan, and Mark. | 21:59 |
| leong | nice! | 22:00 |
| shamail | I'll copy you leong and the UC | 22:00 |
| leong | thanks shamail | 22:00 |
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| leong | ok.. i think we are pretty wrap up today... | 22:00 |
| shamail | ^ thats called a hard stop | 22:00 |
| leong | great to "chat" with you all! | 22:01 |
| leong | have a good week. | 22:01 |
| shamail | same here, take care! | 22:01 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| GeraldK | bye. see you | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 22:01:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| MeganR | bye! | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-27-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| AndyU_ | +1 | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-27-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-02-27-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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| mrhillsman | adio! | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | hi zuul folks! | 22:01 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:01 |
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| phschwartz | \o | 22:01 |
| rattboi | o/ | 22:01 |
| clarkb | ohai | 22:01 |
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| jesusaur | o/ | 22:02 |
| fungi | mmmzuuls | 22:02 |
| pabelanger | Hi | 22:02 |
| fungi | turns out my folks are running late, so i am actually here still but will likely need to duck out before the meeting wraps | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | fungi: "good, i'm sorry to hear that"? | 22:02 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 22:03:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link last meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-13-22.02.html | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link inaccurate agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:04 |
| fungi | accuracy is for nerds | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | i propose we skip the status updates this week and have a more free-form ptg recap and sync up | 22:05 |
| fungi | seconded! | 22:05 |
| SpamapS | indeed, much has changed :) | 22:05 |
| adam_g | yes plz! | 22:05 |
| jeblair | motion carries | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #topic PTG recap and sync up | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG recap and sync up (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:05 | |
| jeblair | we ran jobz! | 22:05 |
| * fungi prepares to crib this for his infra ptg summary | 22:06 | |
| SpamapS | And we ansibled safely. | 22:06 |
| fungi | for... definitions of "safely" | 22:06 |
| pabelanger | there was much rejoicing | 22:06 |
| rbergeron | "we ran jobz." *mic drop* should suffice for a summary, right? | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | rbergeron: ++ | 22:06 |
| clarkb | not sure what safe means here :) | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | i think we should keep running the zuulv3-dev server for a while so we can continue to poke at a running system | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: caution tape was not broken. | 22:07 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: how long? Like, until we decide to just rename it to zuul? ;-) | 22:07 |
| fungi | jeblair: sounds like a fine idea | 22:07 |
| jeblair | we have some proposed solutions to keep it from interacting poorly with the production nodepool | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: hehe :) probably we will re-install, due to all the terrible things we have manually done (and may continue to do) in order to expedite changes | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | (before we go into production for real) | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | what, you don't login to production systems and live-edit normally? | 22:09 |
| fungi | and so as to be able to test that we properly rendered such terrible things accurately in configuration management as this moves forward | 22:09 |
| pabelanger | I would like to bring infracloud-chocolate online for nodepool.o.o, which means we'll break zuulv3-dev.o.o. But, I have a patch up to fix it! See 438490 and 438677 | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: nothing normal about us :) | 22:09 |
| * rbergeron passes pabelanger a piece of chocolate for this | 22:09 | |
| pabelanger | otherwise, we'll run out of HDD space on nb01.o.o and nb02.o.o in a few days | 22:09 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: then i guess we should consider that a pretty high priority | 22:09 |
| pabelanger | yes please | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #agreed keep zuulv3-dev online for continued testing | 22:10 |
| fungi | no argument here, though does this uncover a verbosity or frequency issue we should eventually tackle? | 22:10 |
| fungi | long post-v3 even | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #agreed bring infra-chocolate back online | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i don't think the hdd space issue is something that needs to be fixed in nodepool, aside from handling the situation we're in (which pabelanger is working on) | 22:11 |
| jeblair | fungi: essentially, we're in a half-configured state because of the strange situation we're trying to accomodate. | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | If you get desperate for a nodepool target ... I can probably carve a small quota out of BonnyCI's cloud. We're pretty short on public IPs though. | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | I can probably request a v6 range. | 22:12 |
| fungi | jeblair: okay, so it's not merely a "the provider you want to use is offline" scenario? | 22:12 |
| fungi | in that case, makes sense | 22:12 |
| fungi | SpamapS: we can get by with v4 for the mirror server and cloud api endpoints, v6 for everything else | 22:13 |
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| fungi | oh, and probably still depending on rfc-1918 v4 for the test nodes with an overload nat to at least one v4 address | 22:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think so; i think there are thing we aren't doing (like manually deleting images) that we would do in a provider unexpectedly offline scenario. i could be wrong about that, but at the very least, this situation doesn't map to that in a straightforward way in my mind. :) | 22:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes enough things hit github and the like | 22:14 |
| * fungi just found http://bonnyci.org/ | 22:15 | |
| SpamapS | fungi: ohai ;) | 22:15 |
| * rbergeron taps on the channel to make sure everyone did not just get eaten by a pirate | 22:17 | |
| SpamapS | So.. given what we had at PTG, at some point I'd like re-evaluate our board of "Production ready Zuul" and make sure we have the right things on there and given the right level of priority. | 22:17 |
| fungi | so the details as i have them are: 1. zuul v3 poc ran a simple hello world job as of tuesday afternoon, 2. people stuck around after tuesday to continue hacking and got it running general tox-based jobs, 3. what else? | 22:17 |
| * SpamapS realizes he's the only one who didn't have to read bonnyci.org's about page since he wrote it. ;) | 22:18 | |
| jeblair | related to that -- SpamapS and jlk are going to start work on forward-porting the github patches. we are not ready to merge them (finalizing the config syntax and finishing some more fundamental v3 work is still the review priority), but doing so will help their team start running a tentative zuulv3 which helps them pitch in on other work. | 22:18 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: looks like the answer is yes and no :) | 22:18 |
| rbergeron | fungi: we went from single node to multi-node in a matter of minutes? :) | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | we may want to slow down so we don't go to plaid | 22:19 |
| jeblair | yeah, let's iterate through some topics | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: first | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: you suggested we re-eval the board | 22:19 |
| fungi | rbergeron: thanks! yes, multi-node worked | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: want to do that in the latter half of the meeting? | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | or over the course of this week and reconnect next meeting? | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | fungi: collect / publish logs on Friday | 22:20 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: given this is my first meeting with y'all where i'm actively paying attention... can i add hashtag-info's and stuff for minutes? (i am more engrained in fedora culture and don't want to over-step my info boundaries or whatever) :) | 22:20 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: do it | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: sounds good | 22:20 |
| fungi | pabelanger: that mostly worked? we're still missing safe publishing of public logs right? | 22:20 |
| jeblair | ahem | 22:20 |
| jeblair | #topic Re-evaluate zuulv3 priority board | 22:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Re-evaluate zuulv3 priority board (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:21 | |
| SpamapS | jeblair: sorry lag.. later sounds good, we can just do a high level overview of process here, and reeval the board through the week | 22:21 |
| pabelanger | fungi: they work, published only to zuulv3-dev.o.o. But yes, we need to dive deeper into ansible filtering on tasks | 22:21 |
| rbergeron | #info things accomplished at PTG: 1: zuul v3 poc ran a simple hello world job tuesday afternoon; 2: ppl continued hacking post-tuesday and got it running general tox-based jobs | 22:21 |
| jeblair | meeting-chair fail | 22:21 |
| jeblair | we just vomited a bunch of stuff in channel | 22:21 |
| jeblair | which is expeceted for an agenda-less meeting | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | I got a huge burst of lag | 22:22 |
| SpamapS | dunno if maybe we all did | 22:22 |
| rbergeron | #info Further accomplishments: single-node to multi-node in a matter of minutes! (3), (4) collecting / publishing logs on friday | 22:22 |
| jeblair | but now i think we have a bunch of stuff to talk about, so let's try to go through them one at a time | 22:22 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 22:22 |
| phschwartz | SpamapS: I did. seems to be a freenode issue | 22:22 |
| jeblair | the current topic is the zuulv3 priority board | 22:22 |
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| rbergeron | yay lag. | 22:23 |
| phschwartz | jeblair: we can note that what I am working on is a priorty as it affects the layout directly. don't have the issue number at the moment. | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:23 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: okay, so over the course of this week, we will update that and check in again next meeting | 22:24 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: what else on that topic should we cover at this meeting? | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | ^ See the above board. With a successful push toward a working zuulv3 completed at PTG, it's a good time to just peruse the lists, and make sure everything there is still relevant, and fill in what we've learned. | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | My guess is a few things have just gotten bumped up in priority and a few may have been bumped down. | 22:25 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: it may be good to restate our priorities to, as part of updating that | 22:25 |
| jeblair | i suspect they haven't changed significantly, but keeping them in mind will help us filter that appropriately | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | I'm most concerned with making sure we widen the available tasks as I personally have some new engineers coming online and they'll need a nice fat queue of low hanging fruit to get ramped up. | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | (everybody say hi to eggshell and eventingmonkey when you see them in #zuul ;) | 22:26 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: good to know | 22:26 |
| rbergeron | #action please review lists in storyboard; make sure things are relevant, add in what we're learned. some items may have been reprioritized, though likely not significantly | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | ^5 rbergeron | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | that's all | 22:26 |
| jeblair | #topic PTG summary | 22:26 |
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| jeblair | fungi wanted to know what to say about the ptg | 22:27 |
| jeblair | i think maybe that got covered while i was banging the gavel | 22:27 |
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| rbergeron | jeblair: i think i may have covered that in #info's above, though i can press my up arrow a bunch and redo them? | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | also, i think mordred was working on a blog post that covered not only some of what we did, but will lay out some info for our community | 22:28 |
| fungi | yeah, i'll gladly take what people brainstormed earlier, thanks! | 22:28 |
| rbergeron | #action mordred we think is working on blog post covering things that happened at PTG, also laying out info / vague roadmap for community | 22:29 |
| jeblair | i think that captures that pretty well :) | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | #topic github patches | 22:30 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS, jlk, and i were talking about this a bit earlier in #zuul | 22:30 |
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| rbergeron | fungi: awesome. hopefully whatever mordred has cooking will cover the rest but *those were big hooray accomplishments* | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i wanted to bring it up here just to keep folks apprised | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | like i said, it's not a review priority yet, but we're far enough along that now is a good time to start working on them so they'll be ready when we are able to review and merge them; and in the interim, it helps get more folks involved | 22:31 |
| clarkb | is plan to test those interactions to use something like requests mock like shade is using? | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | In case any of you didn't read BonnyCI.org, we're trying to run a public zuul-aaS with github as a trigger source. The patches need porting to v3 before we can run anything meaningful on v3, so we're pushing on that now. :) | 22:32 |
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| clarkb | Gerrit is easy in that it hasn't changed much and we "test" it thousands of times per day, but I don't think we will have that with github at least not to start | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: Yeah something like that is definitely going to be necessary. | 22:33 |
| jeblair | though i think we all know that at this point zuulv3 is neither secure or stable; so folks should not run it in production yet, and we should keep authoring of zuulv3 content (jobs, etc) to a minimum since we know the syntax will change. | 22:33 |
| rbergeron | #info github patches aren't a review priority yet, but it's a good time to begin work on them so they'll be ready when we are able to review/merge; this will also benefit our bonnyci friends :) | 22:33 |
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| SpamapS | Heh right, we mostly just want to get good at running the new pieces. :) | 22:34 |
| rbergeron | #info in case there was any question: zuul v3 is neither secure or stable, plz don't run it in production :) | 22:34 |
| rbergeron | #info (but it will be :D) | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | if you check out http://bonnyci.org/beta/ .. we _are_ looking for intrepid projects to take the first few chaotic steps with us. | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | but we're not making any timeline promises and don't want to do more than play with it until v3 is production ready. | 22:34 |
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| jeblair | oh, i have another topic; then i will ask other people for more topics | 22:36 |
| rbergeron | dmsimard: i say that and we seem to be having weird lag so... yeah :) (when "more topics" comes up it seems, real soon now) | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #topic upcoming priorities | 22:37 |
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| * dmsimard nods | 22:37 | |
| jeblair | my feeling is that with a dev zuulv3 running, some of the things we should focus on immediately are related to config syntax -- | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | including reporting configuration failures (so that as we propose changes to zuulv3 jobs, we can see errors) | 22:38 |
| phschwartz | jeblair: agreed | 22:38 |
| jeblair | and all of the outstanding tasks that are going to affect the config language (like the one phschwartz mentioned) | 22:39 |
| jeblair | once those things are in place, we should be able to somewhat (still not greatly) expand what the zuulv3 dev server is doing | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | Personally, I like to see us increase our test coverage on ansible plugins too | 22:40 |
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| jeblair | we put a bunch of things in the ptg etherpad (some of which is related to this) which we should tackle as well. we may need to translate those to stories. | 22:40 |
| jeblair | phschwartz: yes, i think there's a story and someone assigned to that now | 22:40 |
| jeblair | w00t | 22:40 |
| rbergeron | #info config syntax, including reporting configuration failures and any outstanding tasks that will affect the config language, are the things to focus on atm | 22:40 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: ^ sorry, meant to address you | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: great, will look for it | 22:41 |
| jeblair | #topic unagenda topic collection | 22:41 |
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| jeblair | rbergeron: should we talk about update emails? | 22:42 |
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| jeblair | dmsimard: you have an ara thing to discuss? | 22:42 |
| jeblair | anything else? | 22:42 |
| rbergeron | #info other items in the ptg etherpad | 22:43 |
| dmsimard | oh hai, rbergeron suggested I ask here | 22:43 |
| rbergeron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-zuul | 22:43 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: i woul dlike to, but let dmsimard go ahead real quick :) | 22:43 |
| jeblair | #topic ara | 22:43 |
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| rbergeron | figured he might like to have the wider air time | 22:43 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: go for it! | 22:43 |
| dmsimard | I figured you might be interested in providing some comments/feedback regarding some UI work I've been looking to land in ARA real soon | 22:43 |
| dmsimard | For a good use case, here's a before and after of an OpenStack-Ansible run with 1700ish tasks | 22:44 |
| dmsimard | Before: http://logs.openstack.org/98/435698/1/check/gate-openstack-ansible-os_magnum-ansible-func-ubuntu-xenial/329f931/logs/ara/ | 22:44 |
| dmsimard | After: http://46.231.133.111/index.html | 22:44 |
| dmsimard | Beyond the UI/UX work, one of the focus was to streamline the static generation which is very relevant in OpenStack gate scenarios (such as devstack runs et al) | 22:45 |
| rbergeron | #info dmsimard seeking comments / feedback for UI work in ARA | 22:45 |
| dmsimard | If we take for example this same OpenStack-Ansible run, it took 6m21s second to generate before (with 3710 files @ 31MB gzipped) | 22:46 |
| jeblair | #link Before: http://logs.openstack.org/98/435698/1/check/gate-openstack-ansible-os_magnum-ansible-func-ubuntu-xenial/329f931/logs/ara/ | 22:46 |
| clarkb | I kinda like that things aren't paginated in the old thing. Eeasier to ^F | 22:46 |
| dmsimard | Now we're looking at 18 seconds, 8.1MB on 1700 files | 22:46 |
| jeblair | #link After: http://46.231.133.111/index.html | 22:46 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: maybe a config flag to disable | 22:47 |
| pabelanger | but looks nice, the UI that is | 22:47 |
| jeblair | i think i have some rendering bugs, but i'll followup with dmsimard after the meeting | 22:47 |
| rbergeron | dmsimard: so when can we get you to hook up to zuul v3? :) (even though the jobs are like, "woot hello world pep8 wheee" :) | 22:47 |
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| rbergeron | (though perhaps we're not ready, i have no actual idea) | 22:47 |
| mordred | o/ zomg so sorry computer device did not bing | 22:47 |
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| SpamapS | )I think ARA will be more helpful in the devstack-gate case, but can't hurt for others | 22:48 |
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| dmsimard | clarkb: thanks, I'll chat with you after the meeting see if we can work something out | 22:48 |
| rbergeron | SpamapS: or maybe for bonny. but, yes | 22:48 |
| dmsimard | rbergeron: I think we need to draft a spec around a zuul reporting UI in general | 22:49 |
| dmsimard | this UI could be ARA or it could be something else | 22:49 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i'd like to have it so that we can hook ara into zuulv3. probably in some manner that lets operators install callback plugins. i definitely want that early in v3, but still think we need to defer it for a little bit longer while we get our internal house in order. | 22:49 |
| rbergeron | dmsimard: thanks for sharing and coming :D | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | rbergeron: well not so much for bonny, but more in the "when our tests involve lots of ansible tasks" vs. "command: foo" :) | 22:49 |
| dmsimard | for example, it could be a soft coupling (i.e, just a pre-run task that sets up ara and post-run task that generates the report) or a hard coupling (actual centralized ara implementation in Zuul for example) | 22:49 |
| rbergeron | dmsimard: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 is da place, i think :) (or someone will correct me, in 3, 2,... ) | 22:50 |
| dmsimard | Should we draft a broad spec for some sort of reporting interface ? | 22:50 |
| rbergeron | at least to keep notes on things as they progress if nothing else, i'd guess | 22:50 |
| dmsimard | otherwise I'm done, just a general request for feedback :) | 22:50 |
| rbergeron | :D | 22:51 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: we'll see how it shakes out, but even "command: foo" may involve more than one ansible task (to set up git repos, install packages, archive logs and artifacts, etc). | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | the board/41 URL is for minimum requirements to put zuul in production | 22:51 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: then again, maybe it's 3 ansible tasks and that's still not interesting. :) | 22:51 |
| rbergeron | spamaps: true dat | 22:51 |
| rbergeron | dmsimard: we can probably chat it out back in #zuul to figure out the right spot | 22:52 |
| * fungi got sucked into the visiting family black hole, as predicted, but will catch up from the meeting logs later | 22:52 | |
| SpamapS | for things that aren't blockers to that, I'd say maybe we need a zuulv3.1 ? :-P | 22:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: o/ | 22:52 |
| * rbergeron has a short meeting item to squeeze in also | 22:52 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: ++ | 22:52 |
| jeblair | #topic status update emails | 22:52 |
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| rbergeron | so: it's been suggested that maybe having a general status update mail to keep folks apprised and reminded of the fact that things are moving would be useful. | 22:53 |
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| rbergeron | not sure if there's enough for a weekly thing, or maybe every-other week. i am happy to ... make a story and draft up approximately what it would look like in storyboard | 22:53 |
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| rbergeron | or ... just send something out after this meeting and let people be like wtf :) | 22:54 |
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| rbergeron | (i kinda would mneed to know where to send it to. btw, i'm volunteering since this is stuff i can do without driving people insane) | 22:54 |
| rbergeron | (if people think it's a good idea) | 22:54 |
| jeblair | at least, i answer enough questions like that that i was about to start doing it when rbergeron volunteered :) | 22:54 |
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| jeblair | so i'm in favor :) | 22:54 |
| * mordred feels like it's all he does - so also in favor | 22:54 | |
| SpamapS | yesplease | 22:55 |
| rbergeron | partially related to that: at some point i htink it would be useful to figure out the "pretend we had a date that we might go into production, what are the milestones walking backwards from that date that people actually need to pay attention to or where we need to seriously do loud messaging about wtf is going on" | 22:55 |
| jeblair | i think the -infra and -dev mailing lists would both be good? | 22:55 |
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| rbergeron | kk. i will stick a drafty-type thing in an etherpad for this first one just to let y'all eyeball it, and then i'll ship it out. and then i'll just ship. | 22:56 |
| SpamapS | we're better than we should be at pretending ;) | 22:56 |
| rbergeron | weekly or biweekly? anyone have a preference? | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | maybe biweekly for now, escalating as needed when important milestone approach? | 22:56 |
| rbergeron | #action rbergeron to draft up zuul v3 status mail for ppl to poke at, then send. and then just be shippin' in weeks afterwards. | 22:56 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: i think that's appropriate. though i think this one can go out now since woot! all the magic updates | 22:57 |
| * rbergeron notes it would be useful if mordred is working on a blog post to maybe have that blog post to point to as well but probably not a blocker (?) | 22:57 | |
| jeblair | rbergeron: ya | 22:57 |
| mordred | blog post is going well | 22:57 |
| mordred | _someone_ gave some good feedback that needs incorportating | 22:58 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: also, that will probably take care of fungi's need to report on the ptg. :) | 22:58 |
| rbergeron | #info mail to be bi-weeklyish, escalating as Zuul v3 Arrrrrrives. | 22:58 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: exxxxxxactly | 22:58 |
| rbergeron | hooray, i can do something helpful! woot | 22:58 |
| rbergeron | okay, that's all from me :D | 22:58 |
| * mordred hands rbergeron a pie | 22:58 | |
| jeblair | #topic pie | 22:58 |
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| SpamapS | Speaking of pie | 22:58 |
| pabelanger | most welcome | 22:59 |
| rbergeron | it's delicious. | 22:59 |
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| SpamapS | Starting to smell like Zuul's baking a pie of its own.. I wonder how long we'll stay under infra's umbrella. | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | certainly through v3 | 22:59 |
| mordred | yah. that was a topic that came up a few times around the ptg it seems - all I know is that I like both pie and not getting rained upon | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | same | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | TIME? ;) | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 23:00:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-27-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-27-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-02-27-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
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| mrhillsman | exit | 23:31 |
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| mrhillsman | nova --help|grep migration | 23:32 |
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| pabelanger | :) | 23:33 |
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| mrhillsman | my bad | 23:34 |
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