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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 14:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Godd UGT morning! Who | 14:00 |
| edleafe | doh | 14:00 |
| jroll | morning :P | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Who's here? | 14:00 |
| edleafe | s/Godd/Good | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
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| * edleafe has sufficient caffeine, so no excuse for sloppy typing | 14:01 | |
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| mriedem | o/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | kind of empty, eh? | 14:03 |
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| jroll | jaypipes is here but looking at a tripleo bug in -nova it seems | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | yeah, I'm here. | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Well, let's get started | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | First up - Traits series, starting with: | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376199/ | 14:05 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:05 |
| edleafe | That series is very important, so please everyone spend some review cycles on it | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | It's looking pretty close, too | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Also, my allocation/inventory fixes are languishing: | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416751/ | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Gotta rebase one of those | 14:06 |
| edleafe | But it would be nice to get these in soon | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Any other specs/reviews to discuss? | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | i have question for trait | 14:06 |
| bauzas | will do some reviews | 14:07 |
| jroll | yeah, I have a spec up | 14:07 |
| edleafe | go | 14:07 |
| * jroll digs | 14:07 | |
| alex_xu | jroll can go first | 14:07 |
| jroll | this adds the extra specs we need to flavors for custom resource classes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446570/ | 14:07 |
| jroll | I wanted to check with jaypipes if he's cool working on the allocation dependency noted there | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446570/ | 14:07 |
| jroll | or if we should include it in that spec | 14:07 |
| jroll | alex_xu: thanks :) | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | jroll: np :) | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: go ahead with yours | 14:09 |
| jroll | we can move to alex_xu's question and come back to mine | 14:09 |
| jroll | heh | 14:09 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376200/19/nova/tests/functional/api/openstack/placement/gabbits/traits.yaml@41 | 14:09 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: that's a good question | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | 'PUT /traits/CUSTOM_TRAIT_1' needn't a request body, but it's forced to have a 'content-type' header, I feel it is strange | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/placement/handler.py#L189 | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | ^ it is forced at here | 14:10 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I defer those questions to cdent, who isn't around at the moment | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | I also care about what cdent think about | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | but I can check with him when he is online | 14:11 |
| jroll | that is odd, I agree, but I think it's something we could clean up later | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | jroll: to consider the microversion... | 14:11 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: That does seem odd to enforce if there is no request body | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | i afraid it is kind of API contract change | 14:11 |
| jroll | alex_xu: true, I guess I don't worry about microversions much | 14:12 |
| jroll | meaning I think lots of them are ok | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: that's a grey area. Is it a bugfix, or a simple change of behavior | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: IOW, something is now failing that shouldn't | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | yea | 14:13 |
| edleafe | jroll: to get back to your question, since the dependency is necessary to get done, one of us will do it for sure | 14:14 |
| edleafe | might be jaypipes or not | 14:14 |
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| jroll | edleafe: it's in jaypipes head, that's why I ask him :P | 14:14 |
| jroll | but yeah | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | jroll: I will review the spec for custom resource classes in flavors today. | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jroll: we're working on a way to wire jaypipes to the internet so we can Google his head | 14:15 |
| jroll | jaypipes: thanks | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: lol, that would be scary. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Anything else for Specs/Reviews? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: I think I have part of the answer here https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-4.3.4 | 14:16 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: that's because we need to know the semantics | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: specifying a different content-type should fail, yes. | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | bauzas: ok, that is long, i need a little time to read it | 14:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the concern is not specifying one. Hard to say that that "conflicts" | 14:18 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#section-3.1.1.5 is maybe better to read | 14:19 |
| bauzas | "Implementers are encouraged to provide a means of disabling such "content sniffing" when it is used. " | 14:19 |
| bauzas | but let's move on | 14:20 |
| edleafe | We can continue this on the review, if desired | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | at least it didn't say we should return 400? | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | ok | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:20 |
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| * bauzas loves digging RFCs like going to the dentist... | 14:20 | |
| edleafe | Ran into this one late Friday. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | (edleafe) from my functional test work, I noticed that the resource_tracker._allocate_for_instance() silently fails if the resource amounts consumed by an instance violate the inventory constraints. We need to figure out a better way of handling these types of failures. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py#L952-L953 | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py#L987-L988 | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Failures, if any, are ignored. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | I had created a functional test that created an instance whose DISK_GB violated the step_size constraint | 14:21 |
| edleafe | But because I was testing the RT, I didn't use the placement API directly. | 14:21 |
| edleafe | The scheduler report client correctly disallowed the allocation | 14:22 |
| edleafe | But the RT just went ahead as if it had succeeded | 14:22 |
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| edleafe | I wanted to discuss whether that is the design we want | 14:22 |
| cdent | sorry I'm late | 14:23 |
| edleafe | IOW, in practice we should never hit that code path | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | But those are "famous last words" | 14:23 |
| edleafe | welcome, cdent! | 14:23 |
| edleafe | I added a test that demonstrates the failure to | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/446123 | 14:24 |
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| cdent | If the answer is "no, that is not the design we want" what is the alternative? What should happen? | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | cdent: well, that's why I wanted a discussion | 14:26 |
| edleafe | cdent: Should the RT always assume that allocations succeed? | 14:26 |
| edleafe | And if it doesn't, how should it complain? | 14:26 |
| cdent | my question was with what modes _can_ it complain | 14:27 |
| * cdent is not clear on the options | 14:27 | |
| jaypipes | edleafe: that is by design. | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: can you explain the intent? | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: we do not want the resource tracker/compute worker to go down due to new placement inventory constraints being violated. | 14:28 |
| bauzas | next week, we'll be on summer time \o/ | 14:28 |
| cdent | (alex_xu: I think we can call that put needing a content-type header thing a bug in the placement framework that we can fix) | 14:28 |
| * cdent is catching up on the log | 14:28 | |
| edleafe | jaypipes: go down, sure I get that. But to ignore it completely? | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | cdent: I left a possible explanation on the review itself | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: what would be your solution? | 14:29 |
| alex_xu | cdent: to fix later, that is kind of break the rule of microversion | 14:29 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: dunno - maybe at least a log entry saying "Hey, things are out of whack with this compute node's resources" | 14:30 |
| alex_xu | cdent: or you just mean it is bug, we can fix it now | 14:30 |
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| cdent | alex_xu: it is a bug, we can (and should) fix it | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: sure, feel free to add a log entry in there! :) | 14:30 |
| alex_xu | cdent: ok, cool, thanks | 14:31 |
| cdent | alex_xu: probably best to check both content-lenght and content-type instead of just content-type. I'll fix it this afternoon if nobody else has already started | 14:32 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: ok, free to fix it if you have time, i also can fix it, but it is tomorrow for me. free to leave me a message if you didn't get free time | 14:34 |
| cdent | alex_xu: will keep you posted | 14:34 |
| alex_xu | cdent: thanks | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | #agreed Don't require Content-type if there is no content | 14:34 |
| edleafe | Any other bugs to discuss? | 14:35 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:35 |
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| edleafe | One item on the agenda: | 14:36 |
| edleafe | (jroll) I wrote down a rough plan for how we transition ironic flavors, and started thinking about how we move ironic "capabilities" from the ComputeCapabilitiesFilter to placement's traits. Would like quick feedback on the former before I write a spec this week, and will be iterating on the latter to be worked on in queens. | 14:36 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ironic-flavor-transition-plan | 14:36 |
| edleafe | jroll: anything to add? | 14:36 |
| jroll | hey, yeah | 14:36 |
| jroll | not really, I'd love some quick feedback there, the traits bit is a wip | 14:36 |
| jroll | otherwise I'll be putting that in a spec soon | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | ok, cool. Everyone be sure to read that etherpad and add your thoughts | 14:37 |
| jroll | thanks | 14:37 |
| alex_xu | jroll: i guess you are looking for https://review.openstack.org/351063 | 14:37 |
| cdent | jroll customer resource class value = 1? you've got 0 | 14:38 |
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| cdent | heh, customer. I keep doing that. | 14:38 |
| jroll | alex_xu: well, no, we should be following the traits work in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/resource-provider-traits.html | 14:38 |
| jroll | alex_xu: ironic has lots of custom capabilities, with people using the ComputeCapabilitiesFilter, need to find a way to move to traits there | 14:39 |
| jroll | cdent: thanks, fixed | 14:40 |
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| cdent | jroll: cool, was worried I had misunderstood everything up until this point and was going to disappear in a poof of logic | 14:40 |
| jroll | cdent: heh, was on cruise control there | 14:40 |
| edleafe | The only other thing I would like to mention is the aforementioned addition of some functional tests for the RT and placement. I threw a few tests together, but would really like some feedback and suggestions for improvement before moving ahead any further. | 14:41 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/446123 | 14:41 |
| alex_xu | jroll: yea, https://review.openstack.org/351063 come with the 'resource-provider-traits' spec together, just didn't get progress as it isn't part of priority | 14:41 |
| cdent | edleafe: I intend to look today, or at least tomorrow morning | 14:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: thx | 14:41 |
| edleafe | They already uncovered a "bug" (that really wasn't a bug) | 14:42 |
| jroll | alex_xu: right, so I'm more concerned with the ironic transition to that :) | 14:42 |
| alex_xu | is there any different between standard traits and custom traits in the flavor? | 14:42 |
| jroll | we haven't defined the flavor changes for traits yet, so I don't know :) | 14:43 |
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| jroll | (afaik) | 14:44 |
| diga | sorry, got late | 14:44 |
| alex_xu | ok, i probably need to dig more | 14:45 |
| edleafe | diga: we're just finishing up. Did you have anything to discuss? | 14:45 |
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| diga | nothing, as per cdent disucssion last time, I have listed out some details on notification | 14:46 |
| diga | edleafe: cdent will update today | 14:46 |
| diga | edleafe: cdent, sorry I was on holiday last week | 14:46 |
| cdent | diga: no problem | 14:47 |
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| diga | cdent: will go through meeting logs, as I am late here | 14:47 |
| edleafe | Anything else before we end? | 14:47 |
| cdent | edleafe: not today, but we should start talking about claims in earnest | 14:48 |
| cdent | the current spec is too how, not enough what | 14:48 |
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| cdent | we need to get what nailed before we start with the how | 14:48 |
| edleafe | link? | 14:48 |
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| cdent | #link claim super wip spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437424/ | 14:49 |
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| edleafe | cdent: added to my "to review" set of tabs | 14:49 |
| edleafe | Well, if no one has anything else... | 14:50 |
| * bauzas back | 14:51 | |
| bauzas | yeah, just leave comments | 14:51 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 14:51:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-20-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-20-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-03-20-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
| bauzas | my opinion is that I'd love to see comments for Pike so we could appreciate an approved spec by the beginning of Queens | 14:52 |
| jroll | thanks edleafe | 14:52 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 15:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
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| manjeets | o/ | 15:02 |
| dasanind | o/ | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | first, let's review action items from prev meeting | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | "everyone to review online data migration neutron-db-manage command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/" | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | I don't think anyone posted comments | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | though I actually looked at it | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | I was wondering, the patch proposes to add a new command | 15:03 |
| sindhu | o/ | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | I can add more examples in order to make it clear | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | if that's the main reason for people to don't review it | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | since we have alembic branches, wouldn't it make sense to have it as a separate alembic branch? | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | then we could reuse the same neutron-db-manage upgrade command | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | that would mean the upgrade would look like: upgrade --expand; restart controllers one by one; before next upgrade, upgrade --migrate-data; then upgrade to next major version (repeat the process) | 15:05 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: my understand is that data online migration can be used as cron task isn't it? | 15:06 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: so it's possible to migrate by series of 10 or 20 rows without impacting the db to much | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I am not sure there is a point in doing that work as cron, it's one operation to execute before next upgrade | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | the only potential issue I see with alembic approach is that maybe alembic doesn't allow to bulk operations | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | ok gotta think more. I will post the idea on the patch and we can discuss there. | 15:09 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: +1 | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | let's repeat the action | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #action everyone to review online data migration neutron-db-manage command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to spec a mechanism to tackle differences in the list of extensions exposed by multiple mixed server nodes" | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I reported the RFE here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1672852 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672852 in neutron "[RFE] Make controllers with different list of supported API extensions to behave identically" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | and I started drafting the spec locally, there is nothing on gerrit just yet, but I plan to post in next day or two | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | since it's not complete, will also repeat the action | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to spec a mechanism to tackle differences in the list of extensions exposed by multiple mixed server nodes | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | next was "electrocucaracha to explore status of mixed server version gating in nova/infra" | 15:11 |
| electrocucaracha | well Dolph didn't come to the office this week | 15:11 |
| * electrocucaracha blames the spring break for that | 15:11 | |
| electrocucaracha | now he's in his desk | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | let me ask him if he had a chance to join to this meeting | 15:12 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: hey! | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: we were wondering what's the status of mixed controller version testing in u/s gate for nova, and where we can plug ourselves | 15:14 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I could't formulate the question that you had | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | we really want to make progress on that matter earlier | 15:14 |
| * dolphm is reading the meeting log as well | 15:15 | |
| ihrachys | we had some manual testing for N->O but want more | 15:15 |
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| dolphm | and yes, i was out because of spring break | 15:17 |
| dolphm | i'll also review electrocucaracha's online migrations spec :) | 15:18 |
| dolphm | so, status of gating | 15:18 |
| dolphm | the status pre-PTG and the direction of QE post-PTG are a bit different, so let me cover both | 15:19 |
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| dolphm | pre-PTG, each project has been landing multinode grenade jobs and passing some flag to run different devstacks on each node, then run whatever special testing they want to ensure that specific service version intermix works | 15:20 |
| dolphm | post-PTG, the QE team agreed to utilize downstream deployment projects to provide feedback on multinode upgrades | 15:21 |
| dolphm | so, the current vision is to have a page on http://status.openstack.org/ similar to rechecks that shows upgrade statistics, as performed by various downstream deployment projects | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | hmm | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | not sure what it means | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | which projects do you mean? tripleo? | 15:22 |
| dolphm | so, for example, you'll be able to go to the upgrade page, and see openstack-ansible attempting to do a rolling upgrade of neutron, and the results of the smoke tests performed during that upgrade, how long the upgrade took, etc, and how those numbers are changing over time | 15:22 |
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| dolphm | ihrachys: right, whoever implements rolling upgrades in an upstream projects and wants to provide feedback on it | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | but how do we control their specific way of upgrade? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | and how do we gate on it (I think that was the crucial part of the governance tag)? | 15:23 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: we won't! from a governance perspective, we're asking upstream services to document a supported upgrade path, and expecting deployers to follow that and provide feedback | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | so as long as we have some procedure documented, we can get the tag even if the procedure is broken? | 15:24 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: realistically, i don't think we'll be able to achieve per-commit upgrade jobs for every project | 15:25 |
| dolphm | but, we're still aiming for non-voting check jobs at the very least, and i can see the tag being dependent on a periodic job | 15:25 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: if the procedure is broken, i don't think the tag should apply, no :P | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: so, we are getting back to the point on how to produce such a job | 15:26 |
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| dolphm | ihrachys: here's an example of a similar job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446235/ | 15:27 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: check out "gate-openstack-ansible-os_keystone-ansible-upgrade-ubuntu-xenial" | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | dolphm: so you say instead of producing a grenade job for that matter, we should work with deployment tools to produce jobs with their tooling? | 15:28 |
| dolphm | the console log includes a benchmark run of a couple smoke tests for the duration of the upgrade http://logs.openstack.org/35/446235/1/check/gate-openstack-ansible-os_keystone-ansible-upgrade-ubuntu-xenial/4942366/console.html#_2017-03-16_00_38_57_740370 | 15:28 |
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| dolphm | we can extract those uptime stats and publish the results | 15:28 |
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| dolphm | ihrachys: correct | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | dolphm: not sure I follow the reason behind that. how is that special from other jobs that use grenade? were there any technical obstacles identified that suggested grenade is not up for the job? | 15:29 |
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| dolphm | ihrachys: yes, it came down to technicalities of bending grenade+devstack to do orchestration it wasn't really designed to do, whereas the orchestration projects are designed for exactly that (and in OSA's case, it can do it in an AIO to boot) | 15:31 |
| dolphm | versus needed multiple nodes from infra | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | ok gotcha. so the right path would be contributing to ansible playbooks and/or tripleo modules. | 15:31 |
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| dolphm | ihrachys: that would be awesome, yes | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | and probably ansible is a better case because it's containerized, and tripleo is not yet | 15:32 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: i haven't followed kolla too closely, but i'd include them in that list as well | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | ok gotta think about it for a while, thanks for the info | 15:32 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: ++ | 15:32 |
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| manjeets | kolla is simpler than osa ( i used it couple of times) | 15:33 |
| dolphm | ihrachys: i'd suggest dropping into #openstack-ansible if you want to pursue a playbook with them first | 15:33 |
| dolphm | they're pretty eager to help, for sure | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: any updates on the grenade linuxbridge job? have you pinpointed log snippets and requests in service logs for failures we see? | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Linuxbridge multinode grenade job | 15:35 |
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| manjeets | I've used script to fetch all the Error logs | 15:35 |
| manjeets | i sent the paste over irc last week | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | yeah but that didn't give the answer did it | 15:35 |
| manjeets | not really | 15:36 |
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| manjeets | I tried setting up two node locally | 15:36 |
| manjeets | which gave me issues | 15:36 |
| manjeets | I'll continue debugging that to find something | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I usually just inspect logs | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | open files one by one, and read what happens end-to-end near the failure | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | ofc you need to understand what SHOULD happen | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | like floating ip router update propagated to agents at specific time and such | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | but yeah, local reproduction may be worth exploring too | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move forward | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | first thing first, I requested a revert of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360908/ | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: ^ | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | that's because the unit test is not passing the gate stable | 15:39 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: when I put a recheck yesterday it passed the gate | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | probably because sometimes the method that generates random fields produce objects that are in conflict for db constraints | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: well you should not do that | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: there is a reason why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426829/ exists | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | unit tests are very stable | 15:40 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: I ran the test locally first before I put a recheck | 15:41 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: do you think that using a more deterministic approach for OVO UTs should be needed | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | any failure there, especially in your test that you contribute, is a sign you have it wrong | 15:41 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: all the tests passed | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: they pass, maybe 9 out of 10 times, so what | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | we still should fix that 1/10 | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: well we could switch from generator I guess though it would require a lot of work at this point :) | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: I will have a look at the test, set WIP on the revevt for now | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: sometimes is needed, specially for those fields which accepts null values and the generator provides something | 15:43 |
| dasanind | ihrachys: sure | 15:43 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: about the revert patch, shouldn't be better to only revert the UT instead the whole patch? | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I may just fix the test | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | I just noticed that the patch is landed | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | so first requested a revert so that it gets through check queue and ready for merge in case we fail to fix the test in time | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | I don't want the revert | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: I believe now that lock_for_update removal for quotas is in: https://review.openstack.org/442181 | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | we can move with quotas? | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | I mean this patch https://review.openstack.org/338625 | 15:45 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I updated the patch quotas ovo patch | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: does it need the LIKE support patch, or it's independent? | 15:45 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I don't think so | 15:46 |
| manjeets | it does not need that AFAIK | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | also to update you folks, there was a bug in tag OVO patch that we landed lately: https://review.openstack.org/356825 | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | specifically, the bug was in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356825/39/neutron/services/tag/tag_plugin.py@90 | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | see that we don't pass standard_attr_id into delete_objects | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | which made it drop all matching tags from all resources :-x | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | that was fixed by https://review.openstack.org/446005 | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I saw you respinned NetworkSegment adoption patch and it's all red: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385178/ | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: are you on top of it? | 15:49 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I'm still getting some issues locally | 15:50 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: more likely, I'm gonna bother you later | 15:51 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: but yes, that patch was rebased and it's still having some issues | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | LIKE patch needs another round of reviewers attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | there are no new patches with UpgradeImpact tag | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | there are no items in the wiki page to raise here | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | is everyone ok with the time shift for the meeting due to DST? | 15:54 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: about high priority patches to take a look during this week, besides the data online migration | 15:54 |
| electrocucaracha | ? | 15:54 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: both times work for me | 15:55 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, this time is better | 15:55 |
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| manjeets | previous was like 7 am and I had hard time getting up sometimes | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: well we should fix the unit tests broken by router binding object; there will be the spec for running mixed server versions; I think LIKE patch should be ready to move forward; and I want to get to quotas OVO patch since it was close the last time I checked. | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yeah. I start at 6am so it was not a bother for me | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess everyone is fine with the time | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | anything else? | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | ok thanks folks | 15:59 |
| electrocucaracha | nope, thanks ihrachys | 15:59 |
| sshank | Thank you. | 15:59 |
| manjeets | thanks :) | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 15:59:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-20-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| sindhu | thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-20-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-03-20-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 20:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| namnh | hi | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | hi namnh | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | hi diazjf | 20:00 |
| diazjf | hey dave-mccowan! | 20:00 |
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| namnh | hi dave-mccowan | 20:01 |
| kfarr | \o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | hi redrobot! | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | Alrighty... the gang's all here. The agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic backlog review | 20:03 |
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| dave-mccowan | we're looking a lot better on patches \o/ | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot there's a few outstanding on the stable branches. can you take a look at those? | 20:03 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan yes, I can review those | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I'll try to get to them today | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot thanks! | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | our un-triaged bug count is still pretty high. | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | shall we have a hangout this week to group-triage the bugs? that worked out well during the PTG. | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | Sure, that works for me | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot is there a day/time that works best for you? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan pretty flexible on time | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | tomorrow at 2pm EDT, 1pm CDT ? | 20:08 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I think that would work for me | 20:08 |
| kfarr | I could do the hour after that | 20:09 |
| * redrobot double checks | 20:09 | |
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| redrobot | 3pm EDT, 2pm CDT works for me too | 20:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | no meeting today after mid-cycle last week | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | +1 for me | 20:09 |
| kfarr | +2 | 20:10 |
| kfarr | * + 1 | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #agreed hangout tomorrow at 3pm EDT to triage bugs | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | moving on... | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic Pike Status | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | 3 weeks until Milestone 1 | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | at the PTG, we schedule a bunch of stuff for this milestone: | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/pike-1 | 20:11 |
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| dave-mccowan | does anyone have an update on their work items? | 20:12 |
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| namnh | For my task related to support-upgrade | 20:12 |
| namnh | I tested to upgrade from N to O and O to P(master), there are not any problems with this | 20:13 |
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| namnh | and I pushed a patch for this and I am testing the patch. Then I will find how to setup a new gate (like gate-grenade-dsvm-) because I don't have experience in openstack-infra | 20:13 |
| namnh | Here is my patch set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446282/ | 20:13 |
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| dave-mcc_ | kfarr do you want to give an update from the mail list? | 20:15 |
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| kfarr | Oh sure thing | 20:15 |
| kfarr | I posted on the mailing list last week | 20:16 |
| kfarr | I proposed that Castellan be renamed to oslo.keymanager (link here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113863.html) | 20:16 |
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| kfarr | It seemed like by the end of the comments on the thread, the consensus was to not rename Castellan, but move it under oslo's umbrella of ownership | 20:17 |
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| kfarr | and hopefully oslo's blessing will validate Castellan and improve adoption | 20:18 |
| redrobot | sounds good to me... | 20:18 |
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| kfarr | I saw dave-mccowan's email at the end about next steps | 20:19 |
| dave-mcc_ | castellan-core will = oslo-core + barbican-core, per the last message on the thread | 20:19 |
| kfarr | Should we turn those into action items? | 20:19 |
| dave-mcc_ | i'm not sure if we can do that, or if we need someone with super-gerrit permission to do that. | 20:20 |
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| dave-mcc_ | i was hoping some oslo friends would join us today to discuss. | 20:20 |
| dave-mcc_ | #action update core and driver teams for castellan | 20:20 |
| dave-mcc_ | hrm... i lost chair | 20:20 |
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| dave-mcc_ | oh well... anything else on Castellan's promotion? | 20:21 |
| kfarr | Nope, that's it from me! | 20:22 |
| dave-mcc_ | #topic code reviews | 20:22 |
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| dave-mcc_ | jeremy has a big patch out for refactor of barbicanclient. he added a blueprint at our request. can we decide on if we want to go that direction? | 20:23 |
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| dave-mcc_ | https://review.openstack.org/403604 | 20:23 |
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| dave-mcc_ | maybe too big a question for this meeting? | 20:25 |
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| dave-mcc_ | namnh has 4 patches. thanks! do you want to discuss any of your patches? | 20:26 |
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| namnh | Yes, who can I add to review this patch set: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446282/4 | 20:27 |
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| dave-mcc_ | hrmmm... IRC is flakey today | 20:29 |
| dave-mcc_ | redrobot i was hoping you could help us out of a couple of his too. there is one about barbican-workers, and also one about the barbican-api script that you wrote. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | ack | 20:31 |
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| dave-mcc_ | thanks redrobot and namnh | 20:33 |
| dave-mcc_ | #topic any other business? | 20:33 |
| namnh | thanks dave-mcc_ redrobot | 20:33 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:33 |
| diazjf | dave-mcc_ we have a talk for Boston | 20:33 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic summit | 20:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | yes... lots of barbican team presentation this time! | 20:34 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan, kfarr, redrobot, alee, our Barbican Workshop was selected for the Boston Summit | 20:34 |
| kfarr | Yeah! | 20:34 |
| redrobot | \o/ | 20:35 |
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| diazjf | \o/ We can have some hangouts setup as the Summit gets closer and closer | 20:36 |
| diazjf | we should still have most of the material just a few things to cleanup | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | yea... also we'll need to make a "Barbican Project Status" presentation. The foundation will be providing a template for projects to follow. | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | also we'll be hosting an "Onboarding room". there's some mix messages on whether we're supposed to make it a presentation, or an open-house drop-in kind of thing. | 20:38 |
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| dave-mccowan | the idea is to meet and welcome new contributors and give them info to help them get up to speed and contributing to barbican. | 20:39 |
| dave-mccowan | we've still got a few weeks to get ready. we'll talk more. | 20:40 |
| dave-mccowan | anything else for today? | 20:40 |
| kfarr | My KMIP patch is passing! | 20:41 |
| kfarr | Would appreciate reviews | 20:41 |
| kfarr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437747/ | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | \o/ | 20:41 |
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| dave-mccowan | Thanks everyone! See ya later. :-) | 20:44 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 20:44:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-20-20.00.html | 20:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-20-20.00.txt | 20:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-03-20-20.00.log.html | 20:44 |
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| AndyU_ | no PWG meeting today? | 21:08 |
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| AndyU_ | hmmmm... or did the time change in my time zone throw things off by an hour? He mused to himself while staring at the walls of the big lonely room... | 21:09 |
| mrhillsman | it is 2pm PST | 21:10 |
| AndyU_ | Hi Melvin :) | 21:10 |
| mrhillsman | but that should be now :) | 21:10 |
| mrhillsman | unless it was an hour ago | 21:10 |
| AndyU_ | ok, that's now | 21:10 |
| mrhillsman | or an hour from now hehe | 21:10 |
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| AndyU_ | we don't seem to be interrupting any other meeting; maybe I'd better check the UC mail | 21:11 |
| AndyU_ | Aha! No meeting today. There was an email about it last week. | 21:13 |
| AndyU_ | Chao | 21:13 |
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| Shrews | so. much. anticipation. | 22:00 |
| jeblair | anybody else around for a zuul meeting? | 22:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 22:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 22:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: hey - look - I made it - travel day and all! | 22:00 |
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| fungi | i am ostensibly around | 22:01 |
| jesusaur | o/ | 22:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | yay people! | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 20 22:02:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-13-22.02.html | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:02 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | clarkb review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435933/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | clark did review that | 22:03 |
| clarkb | I did | 22:03 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:03 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | jhesketh review https://review.openstack.org/438281 | 22:03 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: did review and approve that :) | 22:03 |
| jhesketh | Ack | 22:04 |
| jeblair | that's it for that | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Nodepool (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| Shrews | no updates. just in the bug fixing phase at this point. many found and fixed last week. | 22:05 |
| jeblair | groovy | 22:05 |
| pabelanger | I have a few patches up related to SSH | 22:05 |
| * mordred is going to try to get the shim done this week - now that travelling is done | 22:05 | |
| pabelanger | and some removal of legacy code | 22:05 |
| * mordred enjoyed that removal | 22:05 | |
| Shrews | jeblair and myself both worked on a fix for https://review.openstack.org/447630, so if other reviewers could take a peek, that would be the bees knees | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | mordred: cool -- we're still running some jobs on the shim branch which i think we expect to fail; what's the plan there? | 22:06 |
| jeblair | mordred: keep running and @skip or turn more of them off in zuul? | 22:06 |
| * rbergeron also can actually ping the shrews about documentation things now that she is not on a plane or dealing with summit drama of the rh variety | 22:06 | |
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| jeblair | mordred: or "develop plan to deal with failing jobs when plane lands"? :) | 22:07 |
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| Shrews | rbergeron: i whiteboarded some things about that. let's talk this week. | 22:07 |
| jeblair | i'm going to try to implement the config-language rework think week that i proposed in january | 22:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: I actually put up a job to delete them | 22:08 |
| mordred | gah | 22:08 |
| mordred | config change | 22:08 |
| mordred | link coming | 22:08 |
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| rbergeron | shrews: awesome. like an actual whiteboard? | 22:09 |
| mordred | jeblair: actually - the project-config change landed, so we should be avoiding jobs on shim branch that don't matter | 22:10 |
| Shrews | rbergeron: indeed. i'm a very visual person :) | 22:10 |
| rbergeron | #info no major nodepool updates; bug fixing is the thing, many found and fixed this past week | 22:10 |
| jeblair | mordred: well, 3 of them are still running and failing | 22:10 |
| rbergeron | #info plz review https://review.openstack.org/447630 | 22:10 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I'll get that sorted first then :) | 22:11 |
| jeblair | mordred: so i guess main thing is -- are your two changes ready to review, since it seems like the plan is to disable the jobs out of band? | 22:11 |
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| mordred | jeblair: let me follow up on that question post meeting- internet is too slow for me to quickly answer that | 22:12 |
| mordred | it's _possible_ one of the failures is legit | 22:12 |
| jeblair | mordred: no prob. :) | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | mordred: are you metal tubing or just somewhere in the hinterlands? | 22:13 |
| mordred | SpamapS: TOOBZ | 22:13 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think the takeaway is -- you let us know when we should review those changes. :) | 22:13 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes! | 22:13 |
| * mordred will be suitably annoying when the time is right | 22:13 | |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:13 |
| rbergeron | #action mordred to let ppl know when to review changes he's working on that the details are long to share while metal tubing | 22:14 |
| rbergeron | ....awkward sentence is awkward | 22:14 |
| jeblair | Shrews, rbergeron: please keep me in the loop on docs stuff. it is of particular importance to me. :) | 22:15 |
| Shrews | aye | 22:15 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: aye, release early and often and ask frequently because my imposter syndrome, that's my motto | 22:15 |
| rbergeron | :D | 22:15 |
| jeblair | cool, any other nodepoolish things? | 22:16 |
| rbergeron | (until i get more cozy, but until then :D) | 22:16 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:16 | |
| jeblair | i think rcarillocruz has been drawn away from us for a little while, so maybe we should put this on the back burner until he's able to return | 22:17 |
| jeblair | or until we get close enough to wanting to run a devstack job that someone else wants to take over driving it | 22:18 |
| * mordred shakes fist at people stealing the rcarillocruz | 22:18 | |
| SpamapS | jeblair: if it doesn't get done but everything else in the /41 board does.. what's the consequence? | 22:18 |
| fungi | a definitely nice-to-have but not a blocker for v3 production, right? | 22:18 |
| jeblair | fungi: right | 22:18 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:19 |
| fungi | i mean, we'll have lots of shell scripts that could stand to become ansible roles after v3 is running anyway | 22:19 |
| mordred | tuns out, ansible can run shell scripts | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: it's mostly so that we have a really meaty example of a sophisticated ansible-focused job out of the gate | 22:19 |
| fungi | d-g was just a great opportunity to demonstrate that | 22:19 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: oh that's still a pretty important thing to keep forward progress on. | 22:19 |
| fungi | right-o, that | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | but yeah, not a prod blocker | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | so while we will certainly have tons of auto-generated shell-script jobs, we won't have a lot of "this is what we *really* want things to look like" to show for a while | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | I wonder if we should make yet another tag | 22:19 |
| clarkb | fwiw whats there is super close if we just want to push it the last bit | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | zuulv3.0 | 22:19 |
| clarkb | I'm happy to keep reviewing it | 22:19 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think quite a bit of it is done, we probably just need someone to push on it a bit | 22:20 |
| fungi | i thought you were going to suggest a steal-rccarillocruz-back tag | 22:20 |
| rbergeron | #info devstack-gate role refactoring on the back burner until (a) rcarrillocruz has a bit more time, (b) we get close enough to wanting a devstack job that someone else jumps up and does things :D basically: not a blocker for v3 atm. | 22:20 |
| SpamapS | oh if it's close then probably best to just keep it in with everything else. | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | if we get to the point of adding nodepool to zuulv3-dev.o.o, I think we'll be able to iterate faster on devstack roles. | 22:21 |
| rbergeron | #info it may be super close and with some love and leaning we may be able to move it up the hill of awesome to completion | 22:21 |
| jeblair | this is probably a good opportunity for someone who knows more ansible than zuul. | 22:21 |
| clarkb | the network overlay stuff was the last really big thing I think | 22:21 |
| clarkb | there will be other items but none as complicated as that one I don't think | 22:21 |
| jeblair | (or someone who wants to know more ansible than zuul) | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | well, if folks have a moment to take a look, please do. maybe someone will feel like pushing up a new patch to address clarkb's comments on 435933 | 22:22 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:23 |
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| clarkb | I could easily push a new ps but then the reviewer/committer stuff gets murkey and I do think having eyeballs on this is good | 22:23 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: I'll take a peak too | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | I pushed up one test removal, and one re-enablement | 22:23 |
| rbergeron | #info good opportunity for someone who knows more ansible than zuul; check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435933 -- eyeballs are good! :) | 22:23 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: w00t | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | I think jamielennox has been head-down focused on deploying v3 into BonnyCI, so hasn't been picking tasks up | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | and eggshell is at IBM interconnect. | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | Or, was helping with it | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | or something | 22:24 |
| jeblair | also, i found that some of the stuff i wrote in the test summary etherpad was wrong -- we haven't landed the merge-conflict stuff i thought we had | 22:24 |
| SpamapS | but yeah, I hope we'll get some more submitted this week. | 22:24 |
| jeblair | jesusaur has started work on actually doing that | 22:25 |
| jesusaur | I took a stab at re-enabling the merge conflict test, and will iterate based on jeblair's review | 22:25 |
| jeblair | so when it lands, erm, that etherpad should be more correct :) | 22:25 |
| jamielennox | yea, i've mostly been submitting things things that were awkward in our deploy | 22:25 |
| SpamapS | heh.. jesusaur is I believe the 5th person to run into that wall | 22:25 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3skips | 22:25 |
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| SpamapS | hopefully by now the portal is restored and he'll make it to the Hogwarts Express. | 22:26 |
| jeblair | yeah, it's not intractable, it's just unfortunate scheduling in the past | 22:26 |
| SpamapS | yep | 22:26 |
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| SpamapS | platform9.75 would be a great steganography library name. | 22:27 |
| jesusaur | ha, yep | 22:27 |
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| * jesusaur equips a large hammer of portal-making | 22:27 | |
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| mordred | oy | 22:28 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul sample jobs | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: i think you and i left work friday with another substantial question :) | 22:29 |
| jeblair | i mean, pretty substantial for bikesheds | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | we each wrote some essays in: | 22:30 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/441441 | 22:30 |
| rbergeron | is the bikeshed big enough to conceal a yak? | 22:30 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: i don't know, do you think it should be? ;) | 22:30 |
| mordred | is it really a yak we want? | 22:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: yes, I haven't replied yet, but first pass your comments make sense | 22:31 |
| jeblair | at any rate, there's another fundamental question about how we ought to arrange our roles | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | that's really at the core of every Ansible user's mind who ever starts a new role set. :-P | 22:32 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: you also made the suggestion of codifying some of this in a style guide, which i think is good; so maybe after we get a little further, we can start to distill some of these recommendations | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | by service.. by files.. by moon phase.. | 22:32 |
| bkero | by color | 22:33 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: agree | 22:33 |
| rbergeron | SpamapS: well, and again at the core of every ansible user's mind who goes back after a year and says "my god, what was i thinking when i did it *that* way" | 22:33 |
| SpamapS | bkero: { role: bikeshed, color: {{ poll_users }} } <-- automatic timeout generator | 22:33 |
| jeblair | it'd be especially good to get some feedback on that from other folks who have used ansible in anger | 22:34 |
| * fungi didn't know there were other ways people use ansible ;) | 22:34 | |
| * SpamapS starred it | 22:34 | |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think that's the main blocker on this now; anything else we should be thinking about? | 22:35 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: maybe we could hit up some of the other ansible users in openstack... i hear there are a few? | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: no, I think the current comments are a good starting point | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | I'll add some more for tomorrow | 22:35 |
| rbergeron | or is it still kind of "need to be kind of deep under the hood to provide feedback" territory atm | 22:36 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: i think some of the ones that have made changes to our current zuul/jjb configuration could probably follow what we're trying to do here and be helpful. | 22:37 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: stand by for link | 22:37 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: and go! | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:38 |
| * SpamapS shudders with glee | 22:38 | |
| jeblair | nicely done | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | I just want to point out that In Progress is _very_ full. | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | Too much WIP can bring forward progress to a halt. | 22:38 |
| SpamapS | 5 are rcarrilolocruz ... so those might change hands soon and maybe move forward | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: are you still working on test_time_database ? | 22:40 |
| pabelanger | SpamapS: not recently | 22:40 |
| pabelanger | I should remove my name for now | 22:40 |
| pabelanger | actually | 22:40 |
| pabelanger | I'll dive into it tomorrow | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | cool! | 22:41 |
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| SpamapS | hm | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | Storyboard bug | 22:41 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: the nodepool side of https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000897 is done. i implemented that last week. review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445055/ for reference | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | tasks on the board are not showing their story | 22:41 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: when i click on one, it brings up the popup with a link to the story | 22:41 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: my link is showing just as "" | 22:42 |
| * SpamapS forces refresh | 22:42 | |
| jeblair | i'm not logged in, fwiw | 22:42 |
| jeblair | both of my in-progress tasks are actually complete-ish. the job graphs changes just landed; i don't think i did the task header so i'll have to manually resolve it | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | yep.. out of date js depends | 22:42 |
| jeblair | the other is the secrets stuff which is complete and in review | 22:43 |
| clarkb | oh I meant to swing around on how you were planning to do that (re switch to gpg or stick with sha1 hash and accept short secret length or ??) | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | oops, https://review.openstack.org/446785/ is the other side of 2000897 | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I wonder if we should be encouraging folks to review more too? I haven't really been asking anybody on the BonnyCI side to do that.. but maybe it would help the patches move through a bit faster to have preliminary easy reviews done. | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | not sure who is Cullen Taylor is | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: Cullen == eggshell | 22:44 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ah, i'm working on an email to send about that | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | not around this week | 22:44 |
| Shrews | pabelanger: he hadn't started on any of it as of last week, so i think you're ok | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: cool | 22:45 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, that would be great -- not only to try to catch things, but also to help folks keep up to speed with development progress and otherwise keep involved. | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | Ok, I don't see any other glaring issues on the board | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | "Remove ready scripts from nodepool" is in New | 22:45 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: the zuul channel topic and Zuul readme have a recommended gerrit/gertty query | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | SpamapS: that is done: I07b63a16a668bb9a37fb3f763ac29f307f6c3a65 | 22:46 |
| Shrews | i think pabelanger did the ready scripts chang | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: ACK | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: cool! | 22:46 |
| * SpamapS will mark it as such | 22:46 | |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 22:47 |
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| SpamapS | Security spec could use more reviews. | 22:47 |
| rbergeron | SpamapS: link handy? | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | I got some feedback from Rob Clark and he's suggested that we will probably want a MAC to layer on top of bubblewrap. | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | (Rob Clark is the PTL of the security team) | 22:48 |
| jeblair | #link security spec https://review.openstack.org/444495 | 22:48 |
| rbergeron | jeblair: merci | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | (MAC == AppArmor and/or SELinux | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | ) | 22:48 |
| pabelanger | left question / comment on bwrap | 22:48 |
| rbergeron | #info security spec could use more reviews | 22:48 |
| clarkb | I was going to ask media access control address? | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | Mandatory Access Control I believe | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | could be wrong | 22:49 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: if using eg selinux does bubblewrap do anything at that point? | 22:49 |
| clarkb | (I think selinux can do all that we'd need?) | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: yes it makes SELinux's job a berzillion times easier. | 22:49 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: should we aim for more review/discussion this week and see if we're ready to put it up for formal vote at the infra team meeting next week? | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | because you have a single anonymous context that all the processes in the bubblewrap get assigned. | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | so you can just say "Give that container this set of contexts" | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | instead of "And this file gets this, and this one that, and these those" | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | I'm using the word 'context' wrong | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | and I think I mean label | 22:51 |
| jamielennox | my understanding of selinux/app armour with containers (and specifically docker) is that you apply the label to a container, that selinux doesn't try to work inside the container at all | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: I think it's missing some things, but we should aim to settle one a plan soon for sure. | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | jamielennox: correct that's how I understand it too | 22:52 |
| jamielennox | i didn't think there was any sense of doing individual file stuff | 22:52 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: I groked fwiw | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | And with AppArmor, you can define a policy for a container's overlay-hosted binaries. | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | which basically says "all these binaries can only touch the files inside the container" | 22:53 |
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| SpamapS | Either are basically suspenders for bubblewraps suspenders which are suspenders for ansible plugins' belt. | 22:53 |
| pabelanger | which OS are people using to test bwrap on? I had some issues compiling it for xenial | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: It works fine for me on xenial. I've got a TODO to submit it to xenial-backports. | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: but it only does non-setuid on Yakkety+ kernels | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | Works fine setuid on Xenial stock. | 22:54 |
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| pabelanger | SpamapS: okay cool. Ya, I left that comment on spec too | 22:54 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | are we planning anything for boston? | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | like a hacking session? | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | fungi: ^ do you have a feel for what the new summit/forum thingy is going to be like? is there something productive we should do there? | 22:57 |
| fungi | i was pondering it | 22:57 |
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| fungi | i think probably our best position from the forum perspective is one of users and operators of openstack services | 22:58 |
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| mordred | I imagine I'll be wearing my TC hat much more strongly at the summit/forum and trying to listen to what users/operators etc are saying - but that doesn't mean that needs to be what everyone does | 22:58 |
| mordred | fungi: oh yeah - or that, also wearing my User hat | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | Yeah we're users. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | (personally, i think we're well set up to continue our laser focus on getting v3 out the door and then working on moving openstack over that i don't feel like there's a pressing need for something organized at the moment) | 22:58 |
| fungi | but there is also, aside from the forum, hackspace teams can use for what they will | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | Would be great to have hacking space one of the days. | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | I'll be there M-We | 22:58 |
| fungi | so if zuul v3 focused peeps are planning to be there, it's an opportunity to continue to grouphack | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | with a talk on Tu | 22:59 |
| mordred | yes. but also maybe an open door for zuul folks to _not_ go if they feel their time would be better spent continuing laser focus on v3 | 22:59 |
| Shrews | if there are no planned v3 group things, i'll likely skip since i can get more done by not being there | 22:59 |
| Shrews | so i'd like to know about that soon | 22:59 |
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| jeblair | let's discuss further; out of time here now. thanks all! | 23:00 |
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| fungi | right, the general message of teh forum from an upstream dev perspective is that we'd love it if everybody could come to the ptg and the summit, but if you need to pick between the two your time is likely better spent at the ptg | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 20 23:00:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-20-22.02.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-20-22.02.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-03-20-22.02.log.html | 23:00 |
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