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masahito | time to blazar meeeting | 09:00 |
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masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 09:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:01 |
masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:01 |
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hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:01 |
priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
masahito | \o/ | 09:01 |
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masahito | Today's agenda is... | 09:01 |
masahito | 1. Boston Summit | 09:02 |
masahito | 2. role of resource plugin | 09:02 |
masahito | 3. AOB | 09:02 |
masahito | anything else? | 09:02 |
masahito | #chair hiro-kobayashi priteau | 09:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau | 09:02 |
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hiro-kobayashi | How's instance reservation etherpad? | 09:02 |
masahito | all right. | 09:03 |
masahito | 3. instance reservation | 09:03 |
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masahito | ok, let's move on first topic. | 09:03 |
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masahito | #topic Boston Summit | 09:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:03 | |
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masahito | about Boston summit, I have two items | 09:04 |
masahito | 1. team meeting time | 09:04 |
masahito | 2. team dinner | 09:04 |
masahito | go on first. | 09:04 |
masahito | I prepared doodle to organize Blazar team meeting | 09:05 |
hiro-kobayashi | Thank you for coordinating the meeting! | 09:05 |
masahito | #link http://doodle.com/poll/a7pccnhqsuk9tax7 | 09:05 |
masahito | please vote time you can join | 09:05 |
r-mibu | o/ | 09:05 |
masahito | r-mibu: hi | 09:05 |
hiro-kobayashi | tejaswi, r-mibu: hi! | 09:05 |
masahito | we're now talking about blazar team meeting time in Boston | 09:06 |
r-mibu | masahito, hiro-kobayashi: hi :) | 09:06 |
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tejaswi | hiro-kobayashi: hi | 09:06 |
tejaswi | sorry for the delay | 09:06 |
masahito | tejaswi: np | 09:06 |
masahito | r-mibu: tejaswi: if you're in the summit, please add your available time slots | 09:07 |
masahito | http://doodle.com/poll/a7pccnhqsuk9tax7 | 09:07 |
r-mibu | got it! | 09:08 |
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priteau | will do | 09:08 |
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hiro-kobayashi | done | 09:08 |
masahito | I'm thinking 2 or 3 hours for the meeting are good length. | 09:09 |
hiro-kobayashi | +1 | 09:09 |
r-mibu | +1 | 09:09 |
masahito | anyway, I plan to pick the slots on Friday. | 09:10 |
masahito | if you need more time to check, please let me know. | 09:10 |
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masahito | ok, go on next | 09:11 |
masahito | In the summit, I'd like to have team dinner. | 09:11 |
masahito | how do you think? | 09:11 |
r-mibu | i'll leave on Thursday evening... | 09:11 |
r-mibu | +1 to team dinner | 09:12 |
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hiro-kobayashi | +1 Great! | 09:12 |
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masahito | r-mibu: sorry, I mean I plan to decide the slot on this Friday. | 09:13 |
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masahito | Any preference for the day? | 09:13 |
priteau | +1 to team dinner. I will also attend one from the Scientific Working Group, I don't remember if the day is already chosen | 09:14 |
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masahito | ok, I'll send it in ML because some doesn't join today's meeting. | 09:14 |
hiro-kobayashi | thanks | 09:15 |
priteau | There is an official Summit party on Tuesday night | 09:15 |
priteau | The Scientific-WG dinner is tentatively Wednesday night | 09:15 |
priteau | Monday for Blazar? | 09:15 |
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masahito | so Monday or thusday? | 09:15 |
hiro-kobayashi | r-mibu will not be there Thursday evening | 09:16 |
masahito | r-mibu_ seems to leave on Thusday, so Monday night looks good. | 09:16 |
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hiro-kobayashi | So Monday is the best for the members here. | 09:16 |
r-mibu_ | masahito, yes, i prefer monday | 09:17 |
priteau | +1, Thursday I will probably be at another event's dinner | 09:17 |
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masahito | ok, then we'll have Monday evening. | 09:18 |
masahito | Monday evening is booth crow, so after it, right? | 09:18 |
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masahito | get shirts then dinner :) | 09:18 |
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r-mibu_ | yep, and wear them | 09:20 |
masahito | haha | 09:20 |
masahito | ok, go on next topic. | 09:20 |
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masahito | #topic role of resource plugin | 09:20 |
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masahito | hiro-kobayashi and me discussed role of resource plugin and blazar-manager at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451365/ | 09:21 |
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masahito | hiro-kobayashi: said blazar-manager should focus on managements about a lease and a reservation. | 09:22 |
masahito | and resource plugin should only handle *resources*, like host, aggregate and so on. | 09:23 |
masahito | but resource plugin handles a reservation instead of blazar-manager in current implementation. | 09:23 |
masahito | so the question here is | 09:24 |
masahito | 1) we should fix the resource plugin only to handle resource, and blazar-manager handles a reservation. | 09:24 |
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r-mibu_ | then what is the plugins for? | 09:25 |
masahito | or 2) we'll change the architecture | 09:25 |
r-mibu_ | plugin of resource manager? | 09:25 |
masahito | host-reservation plugin | 09:25 |
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masahito | https://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/blazar/plugins/oshosts/host_plugin.py#L63 | 09:26 |
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masahito | here is the plugin handles a reservation | 09:26 |
priteau | masahito: to me the plugin should encapsulate the code managing the reservation of the resource. Blazar-manager creates the lease, but then delegates to each plugin to create/manage a reservation | 09:27 |
priteau | Currently we have a 1 to 1 mapping between lease and reservation, but the design allows for 1 lease to many reservations | 09:27 |
hiro-kobayashi | That's right | 09:27 |
priteau | e.g. one lease containing one host reservation, one volume reservation, and one floating IP reservation | 09:28 |
priteau | these reservations of different types might need different DB models | 09:28 |
priteau | so having a common plugin interface to create / update / destroy reservation would make sense to me | 09:28 |
masahito | it sounds resource plugin represents one resource? | 09:29 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: you mean the manager should delegate the management of reservation to the plugins, right? | 09:29 |
priteau | I mean if there is some common code for all plugins, it can go in manager, but each plugin will probably need to be called at reservation creation / update time too | 09:30 |
hiro-kobayashi | Okay. | 09:31 |
GeraldK | separation in reservation/lease manager (blazar manager) and resource manager sounds like a clean approach | 09:31 |
priteau | because we have just one working plugin now, it's hard to separate concerns | 09:31 |
GeraldK | blazar manager could also include some policies for reservation validation | 09:31 |
priteau | when we have another plugin, it will be easier to separate them | 09:31 |
masahito | GeraldK: hi | 09:32 |
hiro-kobayashi | That would be a new instance plugin | 09:32 |
GeraldK | hi. sorry, i have joined late. i will fill the doodle later today | 09:33 |
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masahito | yes, I'm thinking new instance plugin have one plugin that represents some resources. | 09:33 |
masahito | In the architecture docs, manager is in charge of reservation. | 09:33 |
r-mibu_ | i support the idea to move reservation handling from plugins | 09:33 |
masahito | https://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/doc/source/architecture.rst | 09:33 |
GeraldK | if I understand the proposed architecture correct, the blazar manager could also do some translation between the northbound APIs and the resource APIs | 09:34 |
r-mibu_ | this original architecture seems good | 09:34 |
masahito | IMO, it's better to be reservation handling in manager. | 09:34 |
masahito | and the handler of reservation in manager calls plugin's interface(method) to create resources. | 09:35 |
priteau | but also calls plugins to do some validation | 09:36 |
priteau | e.g. for host reservation, checking that min/max or properties arguments are correct should be done in plugin | 09:36 |
priteau | because these arguments will be likely different for other plugins | 09:37 |
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masahito | right | 09:37 |
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hiro-kobayashi | Who should have a resource allocation algorithm? | 09:37 |
masahito | so, validate_request() or something is needed to plugin interface. | 09:38 |
priteau | we need a better interface between manager and plugins | 09:38 |
priteau | yes | 09:38 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: +1 | 09:38 |
hiro-kobayashi | the interface should be redesigned. | 09:38 |
priteau | plus ways for plugins to throw exception and ensure the manager cleans up what it already started to do | 09:38 |
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masahito | yes. | 09:39 |
r-mibu_ | GeraldK, yes, but the proposal won't change interaction between manager and api | 09:39 |
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masahito | the reason I raised the topic is for making blazar's task more concrete. | 09:39 |
r-mibu_ | "<hiro-kobayashi> Who should have a resource allocation algorithm?" is really good question | 09:40 |
priteau | I would say plugin | 09:40 |
masahito | 'concrete' means more easy to handle rollback and rollfoward in error. | 09:40 |
priteau | resource allocation is inherently specific to each resource | 09:40 |
hiro-kobayashi | r-mibu_: I think the allocation algorithm depends on the type of resource. So, the resource plugin should have | 09:40 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: +1 | 09:41 |
masahito | +1 | 09:41 |
r-mibu_ | i suggest to put it in plugins and hide whole magic code from manager | 09:41 |
r-mibu_ | right | 09:41 |
r-mibu_ | even we have cascaded resource, we can have wrapper resource plugin | 09:42 |
masahito | right. | 09:42 |
hiro-kobayashi | masahito: sounds good | 09:42 |
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hiro-kobayashi | Oh, sorry. r-mibu: sounds good | 09:43 |
masahito | ok | 09:43 |
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r-mibu_ | hiro-kobayashi, np, we had nice discussion | 09:44 |
GeraldK | what about a reservation for two instances that should be placed into two different zones? if we treat each resource (=instance) allocation separately, who can we ensure this condition? | 09:44 |
hiro-kobayashi | And who should manage the reservation info in the Blazar DB? | 09:44 |
masahito | GeraldK: it depends on what's the pluging. | 09:45 |
priteau | The problem with the reservation table is that it contains a resource_id | 09:45 |
priteau | and in the case of the host plugin, this resource_id is the ID of the aggregate allocated by Nova | 09:45 |
GeraldK | should we setup an Etherpad with all the different tasks and then try to map tasks to entity? | 09:45 |
priteau | so, either the plugin creates the reservation DB row, or it returns the values to the manager who creates it | 09:46 |
masahito | currently host plugin only represents 1 resource. If the plugin represents multi resources. the plugin handle the multi instances. | 09:46 |
hiro-kobayashi | priteau: Yes. That's complicate the separation of concern | 09:46 |
masahito | priteau: yes, I planed to raise the question in next topic. | 09:47 |
masahito | ok, I'll make etherpad to discuss details | 09:47 |
r-mibu_ | we can dig into this topic at the summit, maybe | 09:47 |
hiro-kobayashi | masahito: thanks! | 09:48 |
masahito | then we can discuss it with concerns/restrictions/vice verse at next meeting or summit. | 09:48 |
r-mibu_ | # i might propose heat approach | 09:48 |
hiro-kobayashi | r-mibu_: make sense | 09:49 |
masahito | let's move on next. | 09:49 |
hiro-kobayashi | It's good to use heat to handle multiple resources, right? | 09:49 |
masahito | hiro-kobayashi: it's depends on what heat can handle. | 09:49 |
r-mibu_ | yes, i think so, and user can use HOT for reservations | 09:50 |
hiro-kobayashi | OK. Let's discuss at the summit | 09:50 |
r-mibu_ | yep | 09:50 |
hiro-kobayashi | I'm sorry but I have to leave in 5 mins | 09:50 |
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masahito | I created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-resource-plugin | 09:51 |
masahito | #topic instance reservation | 09:51 |
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masahito | some wrote down their comment at the etherpad | 09:52 |
masahito | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/resource-plugin | 09:52 |
masahito | Basing on the page, I'm writing the spec now. | 09:53 |
hiro-kobayashi | thanks! | 09:53 |
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masahito | I'll push the spec in this week. so we can start to discuss the details soon. | 09:54 |
hiro-kobayashi | I'm sorry but I have to leave. Thanks! bye | 09:54 |
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masahito | in the instance reservation, resources in a reservation is a map of flavor to number of instances. | 09:55 |
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masahito | so it could hit the topic we talked just before. | 09:56 |
masahito | any comments or questions? | 09:57 |
r-mibu_ | i cannot see any content in the above link... | 09:57 |
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r-mibu_ | I'll check later and reach out you if i still have the same issue | 09:58 |
priteau | The correct link is: | 09:58 |
priteau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/new-instance-reservation | 09:58 |
masahito | sorry, I missed | 09:58 |
masahito | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/new-instance-reservation | 09:58 |
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r-mibu_ | thanks! | 09:58 |
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masahito | last 2 mins | 09:59 |
masahito | running out the time. | 10:00 |
masahito | thanks all, | 10:00 |
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masahito | bye | 10:00 |
priteau | bye everyone, thanks for a great meeting | 10:00 |
masahito | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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r-mibu_ | bye | 10:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 10:00:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-04-18-09.00.html | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-04-18-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-04-18-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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* EmilienM turns on the light and prepare some tea | 13:58 | |
jrist | o/ | 13:58 |
* jrist hears boiling in the background | 13:58 | |
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trown | o/ | 13:59 |
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fultonj | o/ | 14:00 |
beagles | o/ | 14:00 |
tzumainn | \o | 14:00 |
EmilienM | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 14:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | * review past action items | 14:00 |
EmilienM | * one off agenda items | 14:00 |
EmilienM | * bugs | 14:00 |
EmilienM | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | * CI | 14:00 |
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EmilienM | * Specs | 14:00 |
EmilienM | * open discussion | 14:01 |
EmilienM | Anyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ | 14:01 |
EmilienM | Hi everyone! who is around today? | 14:01 |
shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
jpich | o/ | 14:01 |
trown | o/ | 14:01 |
fultonj | o/ | 14:01 |
mwhahaha | o/ | 14:01 |
d0ugal | Hello! | 14:01 |
marios | o/ | 14:01 |
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akrivoka | o/ | 14:01 |
dprince | hi | 14:01 |
jrist | o/ | 14:02 |
florianf | o/ | 14:02 |
jaosorior | o/ | 14:02 |
EmilienM | I hope you didn't miss me too much last week /joke | 14:03 |
EmilienM | #topic review past action items | 14:03 |
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EmilienM | dprince follow up re switch of OVB jobs to provide container coverage after mirrors are in place | 14:03 |
EmilienM | jistr/matbu/panda/weshay/shardy/Emilien work together to move multinode w/containers CI forward | 14:03 |
EmilienM | all to review http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115182.html and respond | 14:03 |
EmilienM | dprince: what is the progress on switching ovb jobs to have container coverage again? | 14:03 |
dprince | EmilienM: some, progress | 14:04 |
dprince | EmilienM: but not much | 14:04 |
EmilienM | bogdando: did you get enough feedback on the thread? | 14:04 |
* dprince has been slow | 14:04 | |
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EmilienM | dprince: is there any blocker? is there any task the team can help? | 14:04 |
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dprince | EmilienM: I need to enable the experimental again for tripleo-ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457615/ | 14:04 |
shardy | There are a few different patches in flight for the various CI container efforts, would either an etherpad or gerrit topic be helpful? | 14:04 |
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dprince | EmilienM: that isn't helping. One question for you. Why aren't we running all the 'template' tripleo-experiemental jobs? | 14:04 |
dprince | for tripleo-ci | 14:05 |
EmilienM | dprince: +1 | 14:05 |
dprince | shardy: either would help | 14:05 |
EmilienM | dprince: all the 'template'? what does it mean? | 14:05 |
EmilienM | shardy: yes, +1 for etherpad | 14:05 |
dprince | EmilienM: in zuul | 14:05 |
EmilienM | ah, you mean "why aren't we running tripleo-experiemental everywhere in tripleo projects?" ? | 14:06 |
dprince | EmilienM: just a question why we aren't runnin all the tripleo-expimental jobs. right | 14:06 |
EmilienM | we should, probably | 14:06 |
dprince | EmilienM: with my patch it is just 1 extra job | 14:06 |
EmilienM | it's just nobody did it I guess | 14:06 |
dprince | EmilienM: ack, this cost me some time | 14:06 |
EmilienM | I'm not aware of a particular reason | 14:06 |
dprince | EmilienM: I will follow up on it then | 14:07 |
EmilienM | dprince: ok, just enable it and problem solved | 14:07 |
EmilienM | ack | 14:07 |
shardy | IIRC we wanted to run e.g only upgrades jobs on tripleo-ci for a while, as we were developing a bunch of things specific to that repo | 14:07 |
shardy | but yeah, now that all landed we can probably align things again | 14:07 |
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EmilienM | dprince: could you dress an etherpad with all the WIP regarding tripleo CI & container, maybe work on that with other folks | 14:08 |
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EmilienM | and then share it to the ML, so the team can help at reviewing/testing it | 14:08 |
dprince | EmilienM: yes | 14:08 |
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EmilienM | thanks | 14:08 |
dprince | EmilienM: give me a few hours and I can have it | 14:08 |
EmilienM | no rush, it can be later this week. Really when you can. | 14:08 |
EmilienM | #action dprince to prepare an etherpad with all TripleO container CI work related and send it to ML | 14:09 |
EmilienM | let's move on | 14:09 |
EmilienM | #topic one off agenda items | 14:09 |
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EmilienM | akrivoka: o/ I think you need some review | 14:09 |
akrivoka | EmilienM: yes please :) | 14:10 |
EmilienM | do you need to discuss about something in specific? or just need review? | 14:10 |
akrivoka | so the CLI command for plan export is ready to merge, I think | 14:10 |
akrivoka | it's missing final +2/A | 14:10 |
EmilienM | #action Folks familiar with CLI to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425858/ | 14:10 |
EmilienM | akrivoka: thanks. Is there anything else you wanted to talk? | 14:10 |
akrivoka | I'd like to see it merged before I leave for vacation, I'm leaving tomorrow for more than a month | 14:10 |
akrivoka | no, just to draw attention to that | 14:11 |
akrivoka | thanks! | 14:11 |
jpich | Happy vacation :) | 14:11 |
EmilienM | a month? wait wait wait, no ! | 14:11 |
EmilienM | joking :-) enjoy it | 14:11 |
akrivoka | thank you! | 14:11 |
EmilienM | I wanted to talk about the tripleo deployment guide that we started but is empty now | 14:11 |
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EmilienM | I saw some folks interested to contribute on the ML but no concrete patches yet. I was wondering if people agrees to move some bits from current doc into this guide | 14:12 |
EmilienM | it would be moves inside the same repo (tripleo-docs) | 14:12 |
EmilienM | I'm just afraid about google search. We might need some redirections | 14:12 |
EmilienM | the last status of this work is here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114503.html | 14:13 |
EmilienM | err, sorry: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114582.html | 14:13 |
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EmilienM | if anyone is interested by tripleo-docs and deployment bits, please let me know and we can work on it together | 14:13 |
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EmilienM | i'll also post (again) on this thread to ask for more feedback before we move bits | 14:14 |
EmilienM | any feedback or question before we move on? | 14:15 |
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EmilienM | #topic bugs | 14:15 |
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EmilienM | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-2 | 14:15 |
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EmilienM | so last week I moved the bugs / blueprints from pike-1 to pike-2 | 14:16 |
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EmilienM | which means that pike-2 has now 61 blueprints and 345 bugs targeted | 14:16 |
EmilienM | I would like to remind people to self triage the bug, por favor | 14:16 |
EmilienM | I updated Launchpad to send a nice message when someone posts a new bug with some guidelines | 14:17 |
EmilienM | at how make self triage | 14:17 |
EmilienM | other than that, do we have outstanding bugs to discuss this week? | 14:17 |
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EmilienM | I guess that's a no | 14:18 |
EmilienM | moving on | 14:18 |
EmilienM | #topic projects releases or stable backports | 14:18 |
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EmilienM | on my list to do (and thanks jrist for the reminder) | 14:19 |
EmilienM | #action EmilienM to document how we release TripleO so anyone can do it | 14:19 |
EmilienM | warning: you need to understand YAML :) | 14:19 |
EmilienM | is there any question or feedback about releases / backports? | 14:20 |
* jrist hat tip | 14:20 | |
bogdando | reno docs look self explaining | 14:20 |
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bogdando | you can trust me as a newcomer :) | 14:20 |
jrist | bogdando: that's part of it | 14:20 |
EmilienM | bogdando: I think i'll contribute to an higher level document for all OpenStack projects and write tripleo specific bits in tripleo-docs | 14:21 |
EmilienM | #topic CI | 14:21 |
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EmilienM | I have some quick FYIs: | 14:21 |
EmilienM | 1) we've got a promotion this morning, all blockers should be resolved now. Let us know if you see something strange. | 14:21 |
EmilienM | 2) now pike-1 is out and most of projects have a pike tag, we can actually test upgrades from ocata to pike. I started to look at it and will post updates in launchpad if I see some blockers. Once the job are passing, i'll propose to make them voting and add them to the promotion pipeline | 14:22 |
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shardy | EmilienM: +1 sounds good | 14:23 |
bogdando | wrt CI, I wonder is it possible to include tripleo into elastic recheck? What was the latest attempt results for that (I'm sure there had been an attempt in the past)? | 14:23 |
EmilienM | regarding CI work, I've discussed with jistr and the folks working on containers - it seems they we need some review on the work that is being done, (quickstart, extras, and tht mostly) | 14:23 |
shardy | even while we work on CI coverage for upgrading to containers, keeping the baremetal upgrades working is important IMO | 14:23 |
EmilienM | jistr: please update dprince's etherpad once it's created with all the work you need reviews | 14:23 |
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jistr | ack | 14:23 |
EmilienM | bogdando: I think console is already there but some work would have to be done for other files, specially since the move to quickstart | 14:24 |
EmilienM | trown, weshay ^ can we take action on this? | 14:24 |
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weshay | ya | 14:24 |
EmilienM | shardy: I agree with you | 14:24 |
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EmilienM | weshay: what would you do? | 14:24 |
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shardy | bogdando: it's a good idea, but I don't recall anyone doing the work to either automate or manually propose queries for specific bugs | 14:25 |
bogdando | and once we have cotnainerized undercloud patch in, would that make sense to shortcut some of the containers jobs to side step overcloud and test things at undercloud? | 14:25 |
weshay | I'm adding a card to the tripleo-ci squads next column to look into it | 14:25 |
dprince | jistr, shardy: lets organize the CI stuff here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-containers-ci | 14:25 |
* weshay wonders if we can move all ci planning to the tripleo ci board | 14:25 | |
EmilienM | shardy: we have done some queries sometimes | 14:26 |
EmilienM | shardy: for the No host found thing when pulling rpms from trunk.rdo | 14:26 |
EmilienM | weshay: in https://trello.com/b/U1ITy0cu/tripleo-ci-squad ? | 14:27 |
weshay | aye | 14:27 |
EmilienM | just do it :) | 14:27 |
EmilienM | is there anything else to discuss about CI this week? Any question or feedback so far? | 14:27 |
shardy | bogdando: that is a good idea, but ideally I'd like us to optimize until the overcloud deploy time is (much) closer to the non-container architecture | 14:28 |
shardy | I agree testing more on the undercloud deploy may be useful, but for operators slower deployments aren't great news | 14:28 |
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EmilienM | ok i'll move to the next topic | 14:29 |
EmilienM | #topic specs | 14:29 |
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EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open | 14:29 |
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bogdando | shardy: deployment times may be covered by periodic profiling jobs | 14:30 |
EmilienM | I haven't seen much progress on the tripleo specs, as usual. I'll skip the topic unless someone has something to ask/say here about it | 14:30 |
fultonj | Is there a cutoff date for pike specs to be merged? | 14:30 |
EmilienM | it was supposed to be pike-1 | 14:30 |
bogdando | shardy: while having a shortcut for a patch-based jobs looks doable to me | 14:30 |
EmilienM | fultonj: but you can't force people to review specs | 14:31 |
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EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 14:32 |
fultonj | EmilienM: ack. sounds like state of specs to be merged is uncertain | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | fultonj: for your spec, it seems like a lot of comments have been made recently, even if shardy +2'ed it | 14:32 |
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EmilienM | on open discussion here, I just wanted to share http://my1.fr/blog/my-journey-as-an-openstack-ptl/ which is a blog post where I explain why I won't be PTL during the next cycle | 14:33 |
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EmilienM | I truly believe we need to redefine the role together and also bring up more leaders in general | 14:33 |
EmilienM | it has been an ongoing topic in OpenStack in general, and I would like us to make progress on tripleo | 14:33 |
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EmilienM | if you are interested by learning what TripleO PTLs did or what they would do in the future, please feel free to come into the disucssion | 14:34 |
* EmilienM drops the mic | 14:34 | |
marios | EmilienM: echo what shardy already said in the mail thread, thanks for all your work this cycle it looked tiring! | 14:35 |
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EmilienM | marios: it would be less tiring if we would redefine the role and maybe distribute some tasks on the team even more | 14:35 |
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EmilienM | but I'm pretty sure we'll get there :) | 14:36 |
EmilienM | anyway, thanks for your time today | 14:36 |
EmilienM | and I'll close the meeting so folks can go back to work/fun | 14:36 |
EmilienM | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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shardy | thanks all | 14:36 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 14:36:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-04-18-14.00.html | 14:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-04-18-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2017/tripleo.2017-04-18-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
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fultonj | thanks EmilienM , i'll have a look at that blog entry | 14:37 |
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matbu_ | EmilienM: yep thanks interesting feedbacks :) | 14:38 |
EmilienM | cool, hope it helps | 14:38 |
matbu_ | EmilienM: i like the: "Try, Do, Fail, Learn, Teach. and start again. Don’t stale." /me shut up now | 14:38 |
EmilienM | matbu_: I swear I wasn't drunk when I wrote that | 14:39 |
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matbu_ | :) | 14:40 |
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strigazi | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 16:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is strigazi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
strigazi | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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tonanhngo | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
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juggler | Perry Rivera o/ | 16:02 |
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strigazi | Thanks for joining the meeting tonanhngo juggler | 16:03 |
juggler | hello strigazi | 16:03 |
strigazi | Adrian couldn't make it today, he will be here next week. | 16:03 |
tonanhngo | sparse crowd, must be DockerCon | 16:03 |
juggler | ah, hope things are ok | 16:03 |
strigazi | I hope it is indeed. | 16:04 |
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strigazi | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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strigazi | I don't have any, if you do, shoot | 16:05 |
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juggler | None here currently | 16:05 |
tonanhngo | none from me | 16:05 |
strigazi | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:05 |
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strigazi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi] | 16:06 |
strigazi | I pivoted a bit the impleemtation towards cluster instead of cluster template. I couldn't figure out the problem I had with update on CTs. My goal is add all attrs to cluster and detach clusters from CTs. This change will allow proper handling of: | 16:08 |
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strigazi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi] | 16:08 |
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strigazi | Since the attributes we want to change will belong to the cluster and not its CT | 16:09 |
strigazi | I have a prototype working (in devstack) which replaces all the nodes with the new attrubutes. At the moments I didn't do drain first. I'll add it next | 16:11 |
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strigazi | I tested upgrading k8s 1.5.2 to 1.5.3 | 16:12 |
juggler | nice work strigazi | 16:12 |
juggler | how did the tests go | 16:12 |
tonanhngo | Does k8s provide any support for draining a node? It's probably a common procedure. | 16:13 |
strigazi | Well it worked, but it was more a like a cluster refresh, I need to also talk to k8s to remove the old nodes and maybe add a message to warn users that pod without RCs will be lost | 16:14 |
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strigazi | tonanhngo It does, kubectl drain ... | 16:14 |
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strigazi | it pop a warning saying the above warning | 16:15 |
tonanhngo | Nice. But for pod without RC, it's known that it's not guaranteed to live | 16:15 |
juggler | RC? | 16:15 |
strigazi | a pod without an replication controller will be lost | 16:15 |
tonanhngo | if a node dies suddenly, that's what would happen | 16:15 |
juggler | ah, thank you | 16:15 |
strigazi | exactly | 16:15 |
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strigazi | tonanhngo GKE does the same | 16:16 |
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strigazi | it's a good start I think | 16:16 |
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strigazi | Any other comment? | 16:17 |
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strigazi | let's skip: | 16:17 |
strigazi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago] | 16:17 |
strigazi | since Drago and Jaycen are not here. | 16:18 |
strigazi | #topic Other Ideas | 16:18 |
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strigazi | based on the discussion on the last meeting I tied again to containerize the heat agents, I managed to create a 30mb image based in alpine linux | 16:19 |
strigazi | voila: https://hub.docker.com/r/strigazi/heat-container-agent/tags/ | 16:19 |
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strigazi | requires some testing though. Check it out. | 16:20 |
strigazi | #topic Open Discussion | 16:21 |
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juggler | thanks strigazi | 16:22 |
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tonanhngo | Did anyone from CERN attend KubeCon? | 16:22 |
strigazi | I don't have anything folks, and I'll be away this week. | 16:22 |
strigazi | Ricardo attended | 16:22 |
tonanhngo | Anything new that's interesting to us? | 16:22 |
tonanhngo | (networking, storage, ...) | 16:23 |
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juggler | Added RC to this list: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Acronyms#Table_of_Acronyms | 16:23 |
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tonanhngo | juggler: +1, that should be helpful | 16:24 |
strigazi | People were interested in magnum. I have some new intersting features, just a second | 16:24 |
juggler | Didn't add GKE to this list since it's Google-related... | 16:24 |
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juggler | thx tonanhngo | 16:24 |
juggler | sure sure strigazi | 16:24 |
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strigazi | RBAC for authentication, a few improvements in dynamic storage provisioning but it is already supported for cinder but with annotations | 16:26 |
juggler | hm...maybe I should add GKE, seeing that K8S is on that list too...I will do so.. | 16:27 |
strigazi | the definition of PVs changes a bit | 16:27 |
strigazi | daemonsets support rolling upgrades | 16:27 |
tonanhngo | I heard something about V2 for volume to support stateful pod | 16:27 |
strigazi | That is what I was looking for but it is not there yet | 16:28 |
tonanhngo | how about multitenancy in k8s? | 16:28 |
strigazi | and COREdns instead of skydns and i think kubedns | 16:29 |
strigazi | tonanhngo nothing concrete yet but it is in their roadmap | 16:29 |
tonanhngo | ok, I think they say 3rd quarter this year | 16:30 |
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strigazi | I will chnage a lot how people use k8s | 16:30 |
tonanhngo | Certainly, and Magnum should plan accordingly | 16:31 |
strigazi | but this year sounds very ambitious | 16:31 |
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juggler | PV -> Persistent Volumes in this context? | 16:32 |
strigazi | yes | 16:32 |
juggler | thx | 16:32 |
tonanhngo | There is a large influx of contributors, so k8s should be growing quickly | 16:32 |
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juggler | GKE and PV added to the list... | 16:35 |
strigazi | That is true, but the rate of growth will decrease I guess | 16:35 |
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strigazi | We can wrap it up tonanhngo juggler, is there anything else you want to discuss? | 16:37 |
tonanhngo | That's all from me | 16:37 |
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juggler | good here strigazi | 16:37 |
juggler | thanks for presiding | 16:37 |
strigazi | See you next week :) You are welcome | 16:37 |
tonanhngo | Thanks Spyros | 16:37 |
juggler | Good seeing everyone :) | 16:38 |
strigazi | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 16:38:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-04-18-16.01.html | 16:38 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2017/containers.2017-04-18-16.01.txt | 16:38 |
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felipemonteiro | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 17:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is felipemonteiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
felipemonteiro | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:00 |
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pbourke | o/ | 17:02 |
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felipemonteiro | Hi pbourke. | 17:03 |
pbourke | hey felipemonteiro | 17:03 |
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felipemonteiro | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
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felipemonteiro | Sorry about all the gate failures. I sent an email about it to a former PTL of Murano at Mirantis, because murano-ci is a third-party gate hosted by them, that's a bit out of date from what I understand, which is why it keeps going down. | 17:06 |
pbourke | felipemonteiro: maybe it should be changed to non voting? | 17:07 |
pbourke | or is it already? | 17:07 |
felipemonteiro | Or removed entirely if they're going to fail. They're failing immediately, so right now they're useless. Although when they work they are great :) | 17:08 |
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felipemonteiro | Which means everything out to be moved to infra for the time being, which is WIP. Hopefully the gates will be back up soon though. | 17:09 |
pbourke | sounds good | 17:09 |
pbourke | im just getting the tempest tests running locally so I can update tests for my latest security group patch | 17:09 |
felipemonteiro | #topic Open Discussion | 17:09 |
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felipemonteiro | If there aren't any reviews, etc., for discussion this week, looks like we can end early then? | 17:30 |
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felipemonteiro | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 17:34:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-04-18-17.00.html | 17:34 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2017/murano.2017-04-18-17.00.txt | 17:34 |
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catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 18 19:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
mguiney | o/ | 19:02 |
catherineD | hello | 19:02 |
catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-04-18 | 19:03 |
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catherineD | alright, let's start | 19:05 |
catherineD | #topic Displaying RefStack documentation | 19:05 |
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pvaneck | did not quite have time to work on it last week, but should be able to this week | 19:06 |
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sslypushenko_ | o/ | 19:06 |
catherineD | pvaneck: sure .. thanks! | 19:06 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: hello | 19:06 |
catherineD | agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-04-18 | 19:07 |
catherineD | #topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag | 19:07 |
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catherineD | pvaneck: sslypushenko_: could you take a look at the comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452518/ ... | 19:08 |
mguiney | I think that you were definitely on point on those, and I can get that adjusted | 19:09 |
catherineD | mguiney: thx for agreeing to work on a new version | 19:09 |
catherineD | since mguiney: going it work on a new version ... | 19:09 |
catherineD | it would be nice of we give any inputs you have in mind ... it may reduce the number of revision | 19:10 |
mguiney | It should be a nice simplification. I wrote the current version assuming that people would try and put multiple result links on hte same line, but I think it is fair to make them do one link per entry | 19:10 |
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catherineD | mguiney: I think so .. on test_id (test link) per link is a good assumption | 19:11 |
catherineD | also there should be no duplicate test link ... that is one test id can not be used for verification more than one time | 19:11 |
sslypushenko_ | I fully support idea of using API instead of direct DB quires. | 19:12 |
mguiney | ah. So adding a check for uniqueness would also be beneficial | 19:12 |
sslypushenko_ | If there is some missing points in API then it is better to adjust API then do DB quires | 19:13 |
catherineD | also I think you need to authenticate before sending the POST/PUT request .. see the example in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396700/ | 19:13 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: ++ | 19:13 |
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mguiney | sslypushenko_: I removed direct queries in the last patch, I believe, in favor of using the API. It had previously been used in one spot to get a type of ID from the db that, on closer inspection, was not strictly required. | 19:14 |
mguiney | I will check this out | 19:14 |
mguiney | apologies for how drawn out this process has been | 19:14 |
catherineD | mguiney: not at all ... | 19:14 |
rockyg | o/ | 19:14 |
* catherineD waves at rockyg: | 19:14 | |
catherineD | mguiney: this is the beauty of open source and benefit of code review | 19:15 |
sslypushenko_ | mguiney: it looks you are on the right way now) I hope new auth system will help you | 19:15 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: definitely without your auth patches .. this would not be possible .. because the script really need to be run by a user belong to openstack foundation ... autth is needed | 19:17 |
rockyg | mguiney, ++ always slow to get started in getting patches merged | 19:17 |
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mguiney | it should be helpful, thank you sslypushenko_ ! | 19:17 |
catherineD | This question is for everyone ... | 19:17 |
catherineD | our server is right now running with python 2.7 .. do we need the script to run with 2.7 or do we care which version it should be run on? | 19:18 |
pvaneck | dont care | 19:19 |
rockyg | agree. | 19:19 |
sslypushenko_ | as long as script is consuming API it can be run with any version of python | 19:19 |
rockyg | That's at least 2.7 | 19:19 |
catherineD | alright... do we need to speciy which version it run on or do we let the user to find out? | 19:20 |
pvaneck | the script already specifies python 3 | 19:20 |
mguiney | If it would be helpful, i can add that explicitly into the doc rst for the script | 19:20 |
catherineD | mguiney: thank you! | 19:21 |
catherineD | any other thoughts on this subject? | 19:21 |
mguiney | excellent. Thank you all for the feedback! | 19:22 |
catherineD | moving on ... | 19:22 |
catherineD | #topic Pending reviews | 19:23 |
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catherineD | #link Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/ ) | 19:23 |
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catherineD | For this patch, we are still waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433414/ to merge | 19:23 |
catherineD | until then nothing we can do | 19:24 |
catherineD | #link Add scripts for running refstack-client in docker ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/ ) | 19:24 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: thanks for the new patch .. | 19:24 |
catherineD | I did not have time to test it yesterday .. | 19:24 |
sslypushenko_ | good) I hope it will work now | 19:25 |
catherineD | will run some test soon .. | 19:25 |
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catherineD | everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/ | 19:25 |
sslypushenko_ | I just need provide one more patch with minor fixes regarding Luz's comments | 19:25 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: ok great .. | 19:26 |
sslypushenko_ | But it already should works fine | 19:26 |
catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:26 |
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catherineD | The OPNFV certification team is thinking about working with our team to reuse the tool-chain that we already have. Since they need to run more tests other than tempest, they wasn’t sure if they could reuse our schema. | 19:29 |
catherineD | it is nice to see that the RefStack resouce can be used somewhere else .. | 19:29 |
rockyg | ++ | 19:30 |
catherineD | So I will inivite them to our meeting sometime ... | 19:30 |
sslypushenko_ | That is awesome ! | 19:30 |
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catherineD | yea I think so ... | 19:30 |
catherineD | For schema, DefCore (Chris) is working on a more flexible version https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 19:31 |
catherineD | so that may make RefStack become a general certification tools (framework ?) | 19:32 |
catherineD | we will see | 19:32 |
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catherineD | I am happy to hear that someone is interesting in our work .. | 19:32 |
rockyg | ++ | 19:32 |
mguiney | nice! | 19:32 |
rockyg | maybe now we can also get the other test sets in, too. | 19:33 |
catherineD | kudo to the RefStack team ... let's make this happens | 19:33 |
catherineD | rockyg: yup | 19:33 |
sslypushenko_ | at least someone is interesting in our work... again) | 19:33 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: exactly!! | 19:33 |
rockyg | yes! | 19:33 |
sslypushenko_ | I hope we are more ready for cooperation ) | 19:34 |
sslypushenko_ | New schema looks very promising ) | 19:34 |
mguiney | ++ | 19:34 |
catherineD | sslypushenko_: yea .. I know that Kubernetes is working on conformance test too ... we have a lot of experiences to share | 19:34 |
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catherineD | that is all the topics for to day ... | 19:35 |
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rockyg | Plus, much of the networking open source projects rely on OpenStack, so more might be interested in using our platform. | 19:35 |
mguiney | nice! | 19:36 |
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catherineD | rockyg: good to hear | 19:36 |
catherineD | anything else to discuss today? | 19:36 |
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rockyg | I'll see if we can start a conversation with ODL | 19:37 |
catherineD | ODL? | 19:37 |
rockyg | Open Daylight. SDN project. runs on OpenStack. | 19:37 |
catherineD | ic | 19:37 |
catherineD | that would be nice since OPNFV is doing that already .. | 19:38 |
rockyg | #link https://www.opendaylight.org/ | 19:38 |
catherineD | alright .. anything else? | 19:39 |
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catherineD | if not let's end early today ... | 19:39 |
catherineD | thank you all! | 19:39 |
catherineD | bye! | 19:39 |
mguiney | have a good day! | 19:40 |
sslypushenko_ | bye! | 19:40 |
rockyg | Enjoy Spring! | 19:40 |
catherineD | mguiney: you too! | 19:40 |
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catherineD | rockyg: and allergy :-( | 19:40 |
catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 18 19:41:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-04-18-19.00.html | 19:41 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-04-18-19.00.txt | 19:41 |
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rockyg | Uh, yeah. Not so much on the enjoying side of allergies, catherineD | 19:41 |
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