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masahitotime to blazar meeeting09:00
masahito#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 18 09:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:01
masahito#topic RollCall09:01
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hiro-kobayashio/09:01
priteauo/09:01
masahito\o/09:01
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masahitoToday's agenda is...09:01
masahito1. Boston Summit09:02
masahito2. role of resource plugin09:02
masahito3. AOB09:02
masahitoanything else?09:02
masahito#chair hiro-kobayashi priteau09:02
openstackCurrent chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau09:02
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hiro-kobayashiHow's instance reservation etherpad?09:02
masahitoall right.09:03
masahito3. instance reservation09:03
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masahitook, let's move on first topic.09:03
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masahito#topic Boston Summit09:03
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masahitoabout Boston summit, I have two items09:04
masahito1. team meeting time09:04
masahito2. team dinner09:04
masahitogo on first.09:04
masahitoI prepared doodle to organize Blazar team meeting09:05
hiro-kobayashiThank you for coordinating the meeting!09:05
masahito#link http://doodle.com/poll/a7pccnhqsuk9tax709:05
masahitoplease vote time you can join09:05
r-mibuo/09:05
masahitor-mibu: hi09:05
hiro-kobayashitejaswi, r-mibu: hi!09:05
masahitowe're now talking about blazar team meeting time in Boston09:06
r-mibumasahito,  hiro-kobayashi: hi :)09:06
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tejaswihiro-kobayashi: hi09:06
tejaswisorry for the delay09:06
masahitotejaswi: np09:06
masahitor-mibu: tejaswi: if you're in the summit, please add your available time slots09:07
masahitohttp://doodle.com/poll/a7pccnhqsuk9tax709:07
r-mibugot it!09:08
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priteauwill do09:08
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hiro-kobayashidone09:08
masahitoI'm thinking 2 or 3 hours for the meeting are good length.09:09
hiro-kobayashi+109:09
r-mibu+109:09
masahitoanyway, I plan to pick the slots on Friday.09:10
masahitoif you need more time to check, please let me know.09:10
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masahitook, go on next09:11
masahitoIn the summit, I'd like to have team dinner.09:11
masahitohow do you think?09:11
r-mibui'll leave on Thursday evening...09:11
r-mibu+1 to team dinner09:12
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hiro-kobayashi+1 Great!09:12
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masahitor-mibu: sorry, I mean I plan to decide the slot on this Friday.09:13
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masahitoAny preference for the day?09:13
priteau+1 to team dinner. I will also attend one from the Scientific Working Group, I don't remember if the day is already chosen09:14
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masahitook, I'll send it in ML because some doesn't join today's meeting.09:14
hiro-kobayashithanks09:15
priteauThere is an official Summit party on Tuesday night09:15
priteauThe Scientific-WG dinner is tentatively Wednesday night09:15
priteauMonday for Blazar?09:15
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masahitoso Monday or thusday?09:15
hiro-kobayashir-mibu will not be there Thursday evening09:16
masahitor-mibu_ seems to leave on Thusday, so Monday night looks good.09:16
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hiro-kobayashiSo Monday is the best for the members here.09:16
r-mibu_masahito, yes, i prefer monday09:17
priteau+1, Thursday I will probably be at another event's dinner09:17
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masahitook, then we'll have Monday evening.09:18
masahitoMonday evening is booth crow, so after it, right?09:18
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masahitoget shirts then dinner :)09:18
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r-mibu_yep, and wear them09:20
masahitohaha09:20
masahitook, go on next topic.09:20
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masahito#topic role of resource plugin09:20
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masahitohiro-kobayashi and me discussed role of resource plugin and blazar-manager at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451365/09:21
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masahitohiro-kobayashi: said blazar-manager should focus on managements about a lease and a reservation.09:22
masahitoand resource plugin should only handle *resources*, like host, aggregate and so on.09:23
masahitobut resource plugin handles a reservation instead of blazar-manager in current implementation.09:23
masahitoso the question here is09:24
masahito1) we should fix the resource plugin only to handle resource, and blazar-manager handles a reservation.09:24
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r-mibu_then what is the plugins for?09:25
masahitoor 2) we'll change the architecture09:25
r-mibu_plugin of resource manager?09:25
masahitohost-reservation plugin09:25
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masahitohttps://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/blazar/plugins/oshosts/host_plugin.py#L6309:26
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masahitohere is the plugin handles a reservation09:26
priteaumasahito: to me the plugin should encapsulate the code managing the reservation of the resource. Blazar-manager creates the lease, but then delegates to each plugin to create/manage a reservation09:27
priteauCurrently we have a 1 to 1 mapping between lease and reservation, but the design allows for 1 lease to many reservations09:27
hiro-kobayashiThat's right09:27
priteaue.g. one lease containing one host reservation, one volume reservation, and one floating IP reservation09:28
priteauthese reservations of different types might need different DB models09:28
priteauso having a common plugin interface to create / update / destroy reservation would make sense to me09:28
masahitoit sounds resource plugin represents one resource?09:29
hiro-kobayashipriteau: you mean the manager should delegate the management of reservation to the plugins, right?09:29
priteauI mean if there is some common code for all plugins, it can go in manager, but each plugin will probably need to be called at reservation creation / update time too09:30
hiro-kobayashiOkay.09:31
GeraldKseparation in reservation/lease manager (blazar manager) and resource manager sounds like a clean approach09:31
priteaubecause we have just one working plugin now, it's hard to separate concerns09:31
GeraldKblazar manager could also include some policies for reservation validation09:31
priteauwhen we have another plugin, it will be easier to separate them09:31
masahitoGeraldK: hi09:32
hiro-kobayashiThat would be a new instance plugin09:32
GeraldKhi. sorry, i have joined late. i will fill the doodle later today09:33
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masahitoyes, I'm thinking new instance plugin have one plugin that represents some resources.09:33
masahitoIn the architecture docs, manager is in charge of reservation.09:33
r-mibu_i support the idea to move reservation handling from plugins09:33
masahitohttps://github.com/openstack/blazar/blob/master/doc/source/architecture.rst09:33
GeraldKif I understand the proposed architecture correct, the blazar manager could also do some translation between the northbound APIs and the resource APIs09:34
r-mibu_this original architecture seems good09:34
masahitoIMO, it's better to be reservation handling in manager.09:34
masahitoand the handler of reservation in manager calls plugin's interface(method) to create resources.09:35
priteaubut also calls plugins to do some validation09:36
priteaue.g. for host reservation, checking that min/max or properties arguments are correct should be done in plugin09:36
priteaubecause these arguments will be likely different for other plugins09:37
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masahitoright09:37
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hiro-kobayashiWho should have a resource allocation algorithm?09:37
masahitoso, validate_request() or something is needed to plugin interface.09:38
priteauwe need a better interface between manager and plugins09:38
priteauyes09:38
hiro-kobayashipriteau: +109:38
hiro-kobayashithe interface should be redesigned.09:38
priteauplus ways for plugins to throw exception and ensure the manager cleans up what it already started to do09:38
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masahitoyes.09:39
r-mibu_GeraldK, yes, but the proposal won't change interaction between manager and api09:39
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masahitothe reason I raised the topic is for making blazar's task more concrete.09:39
r-mibu_"<hiro-kobayashi> Who should have a resource allocation algorithm?" is really good question09:40
priteauI would say plugin09:40
masahito'concrete' means more easy to handle rollback and rollfoward in error.09:40
priteauresource allocation is inherently specific to each resource09:40
hiro-kobayashir-mibu_: I think the allocation algorithm depends on the type of resource. So, the resource plugin should have09:40
hiro-kobayashipriteau: +109:41
masahito+109:41
r-mibu_i suggest to put it in plugins and hide whole magic code from manager09:41
r-mibu_right09:41
r-mibu_even we have cascaded resource, we can have wrapper resource plugin09:42
masahitoright.09:42
hiro-kobayashimasahito: sounds good09:42
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hiro-kobayashiOh, sorry. r-mibu: sounds good09:43
masahitook09:43
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r-mibu_hiro-kobayashi, np, we had nice discussion09:44
GeraldKwhat about a reservation for two instances that should be placed into two different zones? if we treat each resource (=instance) allocation separately, who can we ensure this condition?09:44
hiro-kobayashiAnd who should manage the reservation info in the Blazar DB?09:44
masahitoGeraldK: it depends on what's the pluging.09:45
priteauThe problem with the reservation table is that it contains a resource_id09:45
priteauand in the case of the host plugin, this resource_id is the ID of the aggregate allocated by Nova09:45
GeraldKshould we setup an Etherpad with all the different tasks and then try to map tasks to entity?09:45
priteauso, either the plugin creates the reservation DB row, or it returns the values to the manager who creates it09:46
masahitocurrently host plugin only represents 1 resource. If the plugin represents multi resources. the plugin handle the multi  instances.09:46
hiro-kobayashipriteau: Yes. That's complicate the separation of concern09:46
masahitopriteau: yes, I planed to raise the question in next topic.09:47
masahitook, I'll make etherpad to discuss details09:47
r-mibu_we can dig into this topic at the summit, maybe09:47
hiro-kobayashimasahito: thanks!09:48
masahitothen we can discuss it with concerns/restrictions/vice verse at next meeting or summit.09:48
r-mibu_# i might propose heat approach09:48
hiro-kobayashir-mibu_: make sense09:49
masahitolet's move on next.09:49
hiro-kobayashiIt's good to use heat to handle multiple resources, right?09:49
masahitohiro-kobayashi: it's depends on what heat can handle.09:49
r-mibu_yes, i think so, and user can use HOT for reservations09:50
hiro-kobayashiOK. Let's discuss at the summit09:50
r-mibu_yep09:50
hiro-kobayashiI'm sorry but I have to leave in 5 mins09:50
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masahitoI created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-resource-plugin09:51
masahito#topic instance reservation09:51
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masahitosome wrote down their comment at the etherpad09:52
masahitohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/resource-plugin09:52
masahitoBasing on the page, I'm writing the spec now.09:53
hiro-kobayashithanks!09:53
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masahitoI'll push the spec in this week. so we can start to discuss the details soon.09:54
hiro-kobayashiI'm sorry but I have to leave. Thanks! bye09:54
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masahitoin the instance reservation, resources in a reservation is a map of flavor to number of instances.09:55
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masahitoso it could hit the topic we talked just before.09:56
masahitoany comments or questions?09:57
r-mibu_i cannot see any content in the above link...09:57
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r-mibu_I'll check later and reach out you if i still have the same issue09:58
priteauThe correct link is:09:58
priteau#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/new-instance-reservation09:58
masahitosorry, I missed09:58
masahitohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/new-instance-reservation09:58
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r-mibu_thanks!09:58
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masahitolast 2 mins09:59
masahitorunning out the time.10:00
masahitothanks all,10:00
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masahitobye10:00
priteaubye everyone, thanks for a great meeting10:00
masahito#endmeeting10:00
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 18 14:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:00
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EmilienM* review past action items14:00
EmilienM* one off agenda items14:00
EmilienM* bugs14:00
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
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EmilienM* CI14:00
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EmilienM* Specs14:00
EmilienM* open discussion14:01
EmilienMAnyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ14:01
EmilienMHi everyone! who is around today?14:01
shardyo/14:01
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d0ugalHello!14:01
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EmilienMI hope you didn't miss me too much last week /joke14:03
EmilienM#topic review past action items14:03
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EmilienMdprince follow up re switch of OVB jobs to provide container coverage after mirrors are in place14:03
EmilienMjistr/matbu/panda/weshay/shardy/Emilien work together to move multinode w/containers CI forward14:03
EmilienMall to review http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115182.html and respond14:03
EmilienMdprince: what is the progress on switching ovb jobs to have container coverage again?14:03
dprinceEmilienM: some, progress14:04
dprinceEmilienM: but not much14:04
EmilienMbogdando: did you get enough feedback on the thread?14:04
* dprince has been slow14:04
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EmilienMdprince: is there any blocker? is there any task the team can help?14:04
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dprinceEmilienM: I need to enable the experimental again for tripleo-ci https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457615/14:04
shardyThere are a few different patches in flight for the various CI container efforts, would either an etherpad or gerrit topic be helpful?14:04
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dprinceEmilienM: that isn't helping. One question for you. Why aren't we running all the 'template' tripleo-experiemental jobs?14:04
dprincefor tripleo-ci14:05
EmilienMdprince: +114:05
dprinceshardy: either would help14:05
EmilienMdprince: all the 'template'? what does it mean?14:05
EmilienMshardy: yes, +1 for etherpad14:05
dprinceEmilienM: in zuul14:05
EmilienMah, you mean "why aren't we running tripleo-experiemental everywhere in tripleo projects?" ?14:06
dprinceEmilienM: just a question why we aren't runnin all the tripleo-expimental jobs. right14:06
EmilienMwe should, probably14:06
dprinceEmilienM: with my patch it is just 1 extra job14:06
EmilienMit's just nobody did it I guess14:06
dprinceEmilienM: ack, this cost me some time14:06
EmilienMI'm not aware of a particular reason14:06
dprinceEmilienM: I will follow up on it then14:07
EmilienMdprince: ok, just enable it and problem solved14:07
EmilienMack14:07
shardyIIRC we wanted to run e.g only upgrades jobs on tripleo-ci for a while, as we were developing a bunch of things specific to that repo14:07
shardybut yeah, now that all landed we can probably align things again14:07
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EmilienMdprince: could you dress an etherpad with all the WIP regarding tripleo CI & container, maybe work on that with other folks14:08
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EmilienMand then share it to the ML, so the team can help at reviewing/testing it14:08
dprinceEmilienM: yes14:08
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EmilienMthanks14:08
dprinceEmilienM: give me a few hours and I can have it14:08
EmilienMno rush, it can be later this week. Really when you can.14:08
EmilienM#action dprince to prepare an etherpad with all TripleO container CI work related and send it to ML14:09
EmilienMlet's move on14:09
EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:09
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EmilienMakrivoka: o/ I think you need some review14:09
akrivokaEmilienM: yes please :)14:10
EmilienMdo you need to discuss about something in specific? or just need review?14:10
akrivokaso the CLI command for plan export is ready to merge, I think14:10
akrivokait's missing final +2/A14:10
EmilienM#action Folks familiar with CLI to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425858/14:10
EmilienMakrivoka: thanks. Is there anything else you wanted to talk?14:10
akrivokaI'd like to see it merged before I leave for vacation, I'm leaving tomorrow for more than a month14:10
akrivokano, just to draw attention to that14:11
akrivokathanks!14:11
jpichHappy vacation :)14:11
EmilienMa month? wait wait wait, no !14:11
EmilienMjoking :-) enjoy it14:11
akrivokathank you!14:11
EmilienMI wanted to talk about the tripleo deployment guide that we started but is empty now14:11
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EmilienMI saw some folks interested to contribute on the ML but no concrete patches yet. I was wondering if people agrees to move some bits from current doc into this guide14:12
EmilienMit would be moves inside the same repo (tripleo-docs)14:12
EmilienMI'm just afraid about google search. We might need some redirections14:12
EmilienMthe last status of this work is here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114503.html14:13
EmilienMerr, sorry: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114582.html14:13
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EmilienMif anyone is interested by tripleo-docs and deployment bits, please let me know and we can work on it together14:13
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EmilienMi'll also post (again) on this thread to ask for more feedback before we move bits14:14
EmilienMany feedback or question before we move on?14:15
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EmilienM#topic bugs14:15
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EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-214:15
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EmilienMso last week I moved the bugs / blueprints from pike-1 to pike-214:16
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EmilienMwhich means that pike-2 has now 61 blueprints and 345 bugs targeted14:16
EmilienMI would like to remind people to self triage the bug, por favor14:16
EmilienMI updated Launchpad to send a nice message when someone posts a new bug with some guidelines14:17
EmilienMat how make self triage14:17
EmilienMother than that, do we have outstanding bugs to discuss this week?14:17
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EmilienMI guess that's a no14:18
EmilienMmoving on14:18
EmilienM#topic projects releases or stable backports14:18
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EmilienMon my list to do (and thanks jrist  for the reminder)14:19
EmilienM#action EmilienM to document how we release TripleO so anyone can do it14:19
EmilienMwarning: you need to understand YAML :)14:19
EmilienMis there any question or feedback about releases / backports?14:20
* jrist hat tip14:20
bogdandoreno docs look self explaining14:20
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bogdandoyou can trust me as a newcomer :)14:20
jristbogdando: that's part of it14:20
EmilienMbogdando: I think i'll contribute to an higher level document for all OpenStack projects and write tripleo specific bits in tripleo-docs14:21
EmilienM#topic CI14:21
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EmilienMI have some quick FYIs:14:21
EmilienM1) we've got a promotion this morning, all blockers should be resolved now. Let us know if you see something strange.14:21
EmilienM2) now pike-1 is out and most of projects have a pike tag, we can actually test upgrades from ocata to pike. I started to look at it and will post updates in launchpad if I see some blockers. Once the job are passing, i'll propose to make them voting and add them to the promotion pipeline14:22
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shardyEmilienM: +1 sounds good14:23
bogdandowrt CI, I wonder is it possible to include tripleo into elastic recheck? What was the latest attempt results for that (I'm sure there had been an attempt in the past)?14:23
EmilienMregarding CI work, I've discussed with jistr and the folks working on containers - it seems they we need some review on the work that is being done, (quickstart, extras, and tht mostly)14:23
shardyeven while we work on CI coverage for upgrading to containers, keeping the baremetal upgrades working is important IMO14:23
EmilienMjistr: please update dprince's etherpad once it's created with all the work you need reviews14:23
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jistrack14:23
EmilienMbogdando: I think console is already there but some work would have to be done for other files, specially since the move to quickstart14:24
EmilienMtrown, weshay ^ can we take action on this?14:24
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weshayya14:24
EmilienMshardy: I agree with you14:24
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EmilienMweshay: what would you do?14:24
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shardybogdando: it's a good idea, but I don't recall anyone doing the work to either automate or manually propose queries for specific bugs14:25
bogdandoand once we have cotnainerized undercloud patch in, would that make sense to shortcut some of the containers jobs to side step overcloud and test things at undercloud?14:25
weshayI'm adding a card to the tripleo-ci squads next column to look into it14:25
dprincejistr, shardy: lets organize the CI stuff here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-containers-ci14:25
* weshay wonders if we can move all ci planning to the tripleo ci board14:25
EmilienMshardy: we have done some queries sometimes14:26
EmilienMshardy: for the No host found thing when pulling rpms from trunk.rdo14:26
EmilienMweshay: in https://trello.com/b/U1ITy0cu/tripleo-ci-squad ?14:27
weshayaye14:27
EmilienMjust do it :)14:27
EmilienMis there anything else to discuss about CI this week? Any question or feedback so far?14:27
shardybogdando: that is a good idea, but ideally I'd like us to optimize until the overcloud deploy time is (much) closer to the non-container architecture14:28
shardyI agree testing more on the undercloud deploy may be useful, but for operators slower deployments aren't great news14:28
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EmilienMok i'll move to the next topic14:29
EmilienM#topic specs14:29
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:29
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bogdandoshardy: deployment times may be covered by periodic profiling jobs14:30
EmilienMI haven't seen much progress on the tripleo specs, as usual. I'll skip the topic unless someone has something to ask/say here about it14:30
fultonjIs there a cutoff date for pike specs to be merged?14:30
EmilienMit was supposed to be pike-114:30
bogdandoshardy: while having a shortcut for a patch-based jobs looks doable to me14:30
EmilienMfultonj: but you can't force people to review specs14:31
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EmilienM#topic open discussion14:32
fultonjEmilienM: ack. sounds like state of specs to be merged is uncertain14:32
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EmilienMfultonj: for your spec, it seems like a lot of comments have been made recently, even if shardy +2'ed it14:32
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EmilienMon open discussion here, I just wanted to share http://my1.fr/blog/my-journey-as-an-openstack-ptl/ which is a blog post where I explain why I won't be PTL during the next cycle14:33
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EmilienMI truly believe we need to redefine the role together and also bring up more leaders in general14:33
EmilienMit has been an ongoing topic in OpenStack in general, and I would like us to make progress on tripleo14:33
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EmilienMif you are interested by learning what TripleO PTLs did or what they would do in the future, please feel free to come into the disucssion14:34
* EmilienM drops the mic14:34
mariosEmilienM: echo what  shardy already said in the mail thread, thanks for all your work this cycle it looked tiring!14:35
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EmilienMmarios: it would be less tiring if we would redefine the role and maybe distribute some tasks on the team even more14:35
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EmilienMbut I'm pretty sure we'll get there :)14:36
EmilienManyway, thanks for your time today14:36
EmilienMand I'll close the meeting so folks can go back to work/fun14:36
EmilienM#endmeeting14:36
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shardythanks all14:36
openstackMeeting ended Tue Apr 18 14:36:32 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:36
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fultonjthanks EmilienM , i'll have a look at that blog entry14:37
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matbu_EmilienM: yep thanks interesting feedbacks :)14:38
EmilienMcool, hope it helps14:38
matbu_EmilienM: i like the: "Try, Do, Fail, Learn, Teach. and start again. Don’t stale." /me shut up now14:38
EmilienMmatbu_: I swear I wasn't drunk when I wrote that14:39
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matbu_:)14:40
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strigazi#startmeeting containers16:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 18 16:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is strigazi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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strigazi#topic Roll Call16:01
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tonanhngoTon Ngo16:01
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jugglerPerry Rivera o/16:02
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strigaziThanks for joining the meeting tonanhngo juggler16:03
jugglerhello strigazi16:03
strigaziAdrian couldn't make it today, he will be here next week.16:03
tonanhngosparse crowd, must be DockerCon16:03
jugglerah, hope things are ok16:03
strigaziI hope it is indeed.16:04
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strigazi#topic Announcements16:04
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strigaziI don't have any, if you do, shoot16:05
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jugglerNone here currently16:05
tonanhngonone from me16:05
strigazi#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:05
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strigazi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi]16:06
strigaziI pivoted a bit the impleemtation towards cluster instead of cluster template. I couldn't figure out the problem I had with update on CTs. My goal is add all attrs to cluster and detach clusters from CTs. This change will allow proper handling of:16:08
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strigazi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi]16:08
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strigaziSince the attributes we want to change will belong to the cluster and not its CT16:09
strigaziI have a prototype working (in devstack) which replaces all the nodes with the new attrubutes. At the moments I didn't do drain first. I'll add it next16:11
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strigaziI tested upgrading k8s 1.5.2 to 1.5.316:12
jugglernice work strigazi16:12
jugglerhow did the tests go16:12
tonanhngoDoes k8s provide any support for draining a node?  It's probably a common procedure.16:13
strigaziWell it worked, but it was more a like a cluster refresh, I need to also talk to k8s to remove the old nodes and maybe add a message to warn users that pod without RCs will be lost16:14
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strigazitonanhngo It does, kubectl drain ...16:14
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strigaziit pop a warning saying the above warning16:15
tonanhngoNice.  But for pod without RC, it's known that it's not guaranteed to live16:15
jugglerRC?16:15
strigazia pod without an replication controller will be lost16:15
tonanhngoif a node dies suddenly, that's what would happen16:15
jugglerah, thank you16:15
strigaziexactly16:15
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strigazitonanhngo GKE does the same16:16
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strigaziit's a good start I think16:16
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strigaziAny other comment?16:17
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strigazilet's skip:16:17
strigazi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago]16:17
strigazisince Drago and Jaycen are not here.16:18
strigazi#topic Other Ideas16:18
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strigazibased on the discussion on the last meeting I tied again to containerize the heat  agents, I managed to create a 30mb image based in alpine linux16:19
strigazivoila: https://hub.docker.com/r/strigazi/heat-container-agent/tags/16:19
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strigazirequires some testing though. Check it out.16:20
strigazi#topic Open Discussion16:21
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jugglerthanks strigazi16:22
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tonanhngoDid anyone from CERN attend KubeCon?16:22
strigaziI don't have anything folks, and I'll be away this week.16:22
strigaziRicardo attended16:22
tonanhngoAnything new that's interesting to us?16:22
tonanhngo(networking, storage, ...)16:23
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jugglerAdded RC to this list: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Acronyms#Table_of_Acronyms16:23
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tonanhngojuggler: +1, that should be helpful16:24
strigaziPeople were interested in magnum. I have some new intersting features, just a second16:24
jugglerDidn't add GKE to this list since it's Google-related...16:24
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jugglerthx tonanhngo16:24
jugglersure sure strigazi16:24
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strigaziRBAC for authentication, a few improvements in dynamic storage provisioning but it is already supported for cinder but with annotations16:26
jugglerhm...maybe I should add GKE, seeing that K8S is on that list too...I will do so..16:27
strigazithe definition of PVs changes a bit16:27
strigazidaemonsets support rolling upgrades16:27
tonanhngoI heard something about V2 for volume to support stateful pod16:27
strigaziThat is what I was looking for but it is not there yet16:28
tonanhngohow about multitenancy in k8s?16:28
strigaziand COREdns instead of skydns and i think kubedns16:29
strigazitonanhngo nothing concrete yet but it is in their roadmap16:29
tonanhngook, I think they say 3rd quarter this year16:30
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strigaziI will chnage a lot how people use k8s16:30
tonanhngoCertainly, and Magnum should plan accordingly16:31
strigazibut this year sounds very ambitious16:31
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jugglerPV -> Persistent Volumes in this context?16:32
strigaziyes16:32
jugglerthx16:32
tonanhngoThere is a large influx of contributors, so k8s should be growing quickly16:32
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jugglerGKE and PV added to the list...16:35
strigaziThat is true, but the rate of growth will decrease I guess16:35
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strigaziWe can wrap it up tonanhngo juggler, is there anything else you want to discuss?16:37
tonanhngoThat's all from me16:37
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jugglergood here strigazi16:37
jugglerthanks for presiding16:37
strigaziSee you next week :) You are welcome16:37
tonanhngoThanks Spyros16:37
jugglerGood seeing everyone :)16:38
strigazi#endmeeting16:38
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felipemonteiro#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr 18 17:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is felipemonteiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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felipemonteiro#topic Roll Call17:00
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felipemonteiroo/17:00
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felipemonteiroHi pbourke.17:03
pbourkehey felipemonteiro17:03
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felipemonteiro#topic Announcements17:06
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felipemonteiroSorry about all the gate failures. I sent an email about it to a former PTL of Murano at Mirantis, because murano-ci is a third-party gate hosted by them, that's a bit out of date from what I understand, which is why it keeps going down.17:06
pbourkefelipemonteiro: maybe it should be changed to non voting?17:07
pbourkeor is it already?17:07
felipemonteiroOr removed entirely if they're going to fail. They're failing immediately, so right now they're useless. Although when they work they are great :)17:08
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felipemonteiroWhich means everything out to be moved to infra for the time being, which is WIP. Hopefully the gates will be back up soon though.17:09
pbourkesounds good17:09
pbourkeim just getting the tempest tests running locally so I can update tests for my latest security group patch17:09
felipemonteiro#topic Open Discussion17:09
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felipemonteiroIf there aren't any reviews, etc., for discussion this week, looks like we can end early then?17:30
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felipemonteiro#endmeeting17:34
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
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pvanecko/19:01
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catherineDhello19:02
catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-04-1819:03
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catherineDalright, let's start19:05
catherineD#topic Displaying RefStack documentation19:05
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pvaneckdid not quite have time to work on it last week, but should be able to this week19:06
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sslypushenko_o/19:06
catherineDpvaneck: sure .. thanks!19:06
catherineDsslypushenko_: hello19:06
catherineDagenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-04-1819:07
catherineD#topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag19:07
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catherineDpvaneck: sslypushenko_: could you take a look at the comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452518/  ...19:08
mguineyI think that you were definitely on point on those, and I can get that adjusted19:09
catherineDmguiney: thx for agreeing to work on a new version19:09
catherineDsince mguiney: going it work on a new version ...19:09
catherineDit would be nice of we give any inputs you have in mind ... it may reduce the number of revision19:10
mguineyIt should be a nice simplification. I wrote the current version assuming that people would try and put multiple result links on hte same line, but I think it is fair to make them do one link per entry19:10
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catherineDmguiney: I think so .. on test_id (test link) per link is a good assumption19:11
catherineDalso there should be no duplicate test link ... that is one test id can not be used for verification more than one time19:11
sslypushenko_I fully support idea of using API instead of direct DB quires.19:12
mguineyah. So adding a check for uniqueness would also be beneficial19:12
sslypushenko_ If there is some missing points in API then it is better to adjust API then do DB quires19:13
catherineDalso I think you need to authenticate before sending the POST/PUT request .. see the example in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396700/19:13
catherineDsslypushenko_: ++19:13
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mguineysslypushenko_: I removed direct queries in the last patch, I believe, in favor of using the API. It had previously been used in one spot to get a type of ID from the db that, on closer inspection, was not strictly required.19:14
mguineyI will check this out19:14
mguineyapologies for how drawn out this process has been19:14
catherineDmguiney: not at all ...19:14
rockygo/19:14
* catherineD waves at rockyg:19:14
catherineDmguiney: this is the beauty of open source and benefit of code review19:15
sslypushenko_mguiney:  it looks you are on the right way now) I hope new auth system will help you19:15
catherineDsslypushenko_: definitely without your auth patches .. this would not be possible .. because the script really need to be run by a user belong to openstack foundation ... autth is needed19:17
rockygmguiney, ++  always slow to get started in getting patches merged19:17
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mguineyit should be helpful, thank you sslypushenko_ !19:17
catherineDThis question is for everyone ...19:17
catherineDour server is right now running with python 2.7 .. do we need the script to run with 2.7 or do we care which version it should be run on?19:18
pvaneckdont care19:19
rockygagree.19:19
sslypushenko_as long as script is consuming API it can be run with any version of python19:19
rockygThat's at least 2.719:19
catherineDalright... do we need to speciy which version it run on or do we let the user to find out?19:20
pvaneckthe script already specifies python 319:20
mguineyIf it would be helpful, i can add that explicitly into the doc rst for the script19:20
catherineDmguiney: thank you!19:21
catherineDany other thoughts on this subject?19:21
mguineyexcellent. Thank you all for the feedback!19:22
catherineDmoving on ...19:22
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:23
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catherineD#link     Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group  (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/  )19:23
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catherineDFor this patch, we are still waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433414/ to merge19:23
catherineDuntil then nothing we can do19:24
catherineD#link     Add scripts for running refstack-client in docker (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/  )19:24
catherineDsslypushenko_: thanks for the new patch ..19:24
catherineDI did not have time to test it yesterday ..19:24
sslypushenko_good) I hope it will work now19:25
catherineDwill run some test soon ..19:25
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catherineDeveryone  please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/19:25
sslypushenko_I just need provide one more patch with minor fixes regarding Luz's comments19:25
catherineDsslypushenko_: ok great ..19:26
sslypushenko_But it already should works fine19:26
catherineD#topic     Open discussion19:26
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catherineDThe OPNFV certification team is thinking about working with our team to reuse the tool-chain that we already have. Since they need to run more tests other than tempest, they wasn’t sure if they  could reuse our schema.19:29
catherineDit is nice to see that the RefStack resouce can be used somewhere else ..19:29
rockyg++19:30
catherineDSo I will inivite them to our meeting sometime ...19:30
sslypushenko_That is awesome !19:30
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catherineDyea I think so ...19:30
catherineDFor schema, DefCore (Chris) is working on a more flexible version https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/19:31
catherineDso that may make RefStack become a general certification tools (framework ?)19:32
catherineDwe will see19:32
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catherineDI am happy to hear that someone is interesting in our work ..19:32
rockyg++19:32
mguineynice!19:32
rockygmaybe now we can also get the other test sets in, too.19:33
catherineDkudo to the RefStack team ... let's make this happens19:33
catherineDrockyg: yup19:33
sslypushenko_at least someone is interesting in our work... again)19:33
catherineDsslypushenko_: exactly!!19:33
rockygyes!19:33
sslypushenko_I hope we are more ready for cooperation )19:34
sslypushenko_New schema looks very promising )19:34
mguiney++19:34
catherineDsslypushenko_: yea .. I know that Kubernetes is working on conformance test too ... we have a lot of experiences to share19:34
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catherineDthat is all the topics for to day ...19:35
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rockygPlus, much of the networking open source projects rely on OpenStack, so more might be interested in using our platform.19:35
mguineynice!19:36
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catherineDrockyg: good to hear19:36
catherineDanything else to discuss today?19:36
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rockygI'll see if we can start a conversation with ODL19:37
catherineDODL?19:37
rockygOpen Daylight.  SDN project.  runs on OpenStack.19:37
catherineDic19:37
catherineDthat would be nice since OPNFV is doing that already ..19:38
rockyg#link https://www.opendaylight.org/19:38
catherineDalright .. anything else?19:39
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catherineDif not let's end early today ...19:39
catherineDthank you all!19:39
catherineDbye!19:39
mguineyhave a good day!19:40
sslypushenko_bye!19:40
rockygEnjoy Spring!19:40
catherineDmguiney: you too!19:40
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catherineDrockyg: and allergy :-(19:40
catherineD#endmeeting19:41
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rockygUh, yeah.  Not so much on the enjoying side of allergies, catherineD19:41
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