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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
| slashme | Hi szaher | 14:00 |
| szaher | Hello guys | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | Hi szaher | 14:00 |
| jiaopengju | hi | 14:00 |
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| szaher | Please take a look at the meeting agenda for today https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:00 |
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| yangyapeng | jiaopengju: I see some common in freezer admin action patch | 14:01 |
| szaher | #topic blueprints and bugs filtering and handling | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints and bugs filtering and handling (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| szaher | #link https://launchpad.net/freezer | 14:02 |
| szaher | guys, we have a lot of blueprints, bugs are open and they're not scope to a certain release or milestone | 14:03 |
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| vnogin | hi guys | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | Define the priority ？ | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: | 14:03 |
| szaher | I need your help to comment on them and review them with me so we can remove what's obsolete and define it's priority | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | I found some bugs, it have been fixed. | 14:03 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Yes + we need to know what's really bug and what's a user issue or miss configuration or whatever | 14:04 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: comment on them and I will close it | 14:04 |
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| szaher | also please, we need to have a clear commit message with the bug # in it or which blueprint | 14:05 |
| szaher | this will make things easier to trace and handle later on | 14:05 |
| vnogin | + | 14:05 |
| yangyapeng | we should add commit message Close-Bugs: #xxxx | 14:05 |
| szaher | for people who doesn't know how to write a good commit message take a look here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages | 14:06 |
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| szaher | slashme, m3m0, yangyapeng, daemontool, raliev, szaher all core members please don't merge any patch without a bug # or blueprint in the commit message | 14:07 |
| szaher | Thank You! | 14:07 |
| szaher | #topic kolla-ansible (freezer) | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kolla-ansible (freezer) (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:08 | |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Do you want to integrate freezer with kolla ? | 14:08 |
| vnogin | szaher: -1 for all patches without it from my side :)) | 14:08 |
| raliev | hey guys :) | 14:08 |
| szaher | vnogin: Thanks | 14:08 |
| yangyapeng | no , we have 2 core member in kolla | 14:08 |
| szaher | raliev: hello | 14:08 |
| yangyapeng | but i should push it to finally integrate freezer with kolla | 14:09 |
| yangyapeng | but it have some question, | 14:09 |
| szaher | so you're going to submit a patch to integrate freezer with kolla ? | 14:09 |
| szaher | what question ? | 14:09 |
| yangyapeng | 1. freezer-scheduler start manual， if we should other methods | 14:10 |
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| yangyapeng | 2、kolla need to do some demo usage after freezer install. | 14:11 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: what do you mean by start manual ? | 14:11 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: now, we start freezer-scheduler by manual | 14:11 |
| slashme | For the demo: https://github.com/sl4shme/venvs/tree/master/examples | 14:12 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: there is a config option in freezer-scheduler called no_daemon you can try to set this to true it's shouldn't be running in the bg anymore | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | OK. demo it is nice | 14:12 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: did that answer your question ? | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: oh oh, thank you | 14:13 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Cool! | 14:13 |
| szaher | Please keep us updated with your progress with kolla integration :) | 14:13 |
| yangyapeng | ok | 14:13 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Thanks :) | 14:13 |
| szaher | anyone want to add anything ? | 14:14 |
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| szaher | #topic Freezer to join OpenStack ansible | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | Good idea, write a ansible-playbook ? | 14:15 |
| szaher | vnogin: Do you wanna lead the efforts on this topic ? | 14:15 |
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| vnogin | szaher: yep, however I'm not sure how much I'll have for this activity | 14:16 |
| szaher | we are going to open a repo https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_freezer like other projects where we can write ansible playbooks for freezer | 14:16 |
| szaher | take https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_glance | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | we could write some sample moudle in anisble first. | 14:17 |
| vnogin | szaher: anyway, we should do it | 14:17 |
| szaher | take a look at this one | 14:17 |
| szaher | vnogin: I will try to put some effort on that as well | 14:17 |
| szaher | I will be working with you don't worry :) | 14:17 |
| vnogin | szaher: cool :) | 14:17 |
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| slashme | I'm okay to work on this :) | 14:18 |
| vnogin | szaher: slashme nice team :) | 14:18 |
| szaher | slashme: vnogin: Nice ! | 14:18 |
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| szaher | cool so actions | 14:18 |
| szaher | #action szaher will open openstack-ansible-os_freezer repo for freezer ansible code | 14:19 |
| szaher | anything to add ? anyone ? | 14:19 |
| szaher | #topic Trello board for freezer | 14:20 |
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| szaher | I've created a trello board for freezer so we can share some ideas | 14:20 |
| szaher | #link https://trello.com/b/0ob58uWt/freezer you can find it here | 14:20 |
| szaher | you can comment on tickets or create new ones | 14:21 |
| szaher | finally i will be creating blueprints from those tickets | 14:21 |
| vnogin | awesome | 14:21 |
| jiaopengju | nice | 14:21 |
| szaher | Thanks :) | 14:21 |
| szaher | #topic Freezer documentation | 14:22 |
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| szaher | daemontool: ping | 14:22 |
| szaher | daemontool: Ananya didn't contact me to let her know what do we need for freezer | 14:23 |
| szaher | vnogin: Do you know anything about Ananya ? | 14:23 |
| jiaopengju | As a beginner of freezer, I was confused by the documentation sometimes. | 14:24 |
| vnogin | szaher: nope :( | 14:24 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: we're trying to solve this :) | 14:24 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: everybody is confused | 14:24 |
| jiaopengju | thanks | 14:24 |
| jiaopengju | the documentation is not match with the code | 14:24 |
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| szaher | just to let you know guys. TC will add a new badge to certify projects install-guide and docs | 14:25 |
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| szaher | so for now we won't get that badge as we don't have any installation guides! | 14:25 |
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| szaher | I hope we can get the install-guide and developer docs live this release, that will be a big addition to freezer | 14:26 |
| vnogin | szaher: 100% agree | 14:26 |
| yangyapeng | agree | 14:26 |
| jiaopengju | +1 | 14:26 |
| slashme | +1 | 14:26 |
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| szaher | I hope we can get Ananya to work on that soon :) | 14:28 |
| szaher | anyway, I'm going to skip some topics as daemontool seems to be busy and not in the meeting today | 14:28 |
| szaher | is mnaser: and m3m0: around ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | seems to be no :( | 14:29 |
| szaher | #topic Centos gate job update | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Centos gate job update (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:30 | |
| szaher | I've create a gate job to test freezer on centos | 14:30 |
| szaher | the gate job appeared in the ci but it's always failing | 14:31 |
| szaher | I will try to work on fixing it soon, but till now it seem to be devstack problem | 14:32 |
| szaher | I will keep you posted on the progress :) | 14:32 |
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| szaher | #topic heat integration | 14:33 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: did you take a look recently at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443426/ | 14:33 |
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| szaher | we need to assign this spec to someone to work on it | 14:34 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: yeah | 14:34 |
| szaher | I think there is a couple of issues as well | 14:34 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: assign to ? | 14:34 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: not sure who is going to work on that at the moment, do you have room for it ? | 14:35 |
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| yangyapeng | szaher: i can do it , but It may be after 2 weeks | 14:35 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: no problem just adjust the milestone to be pike-rc1 | 14:36 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: OK | 14:36 |
| szaher | Thanks! | 14:36 |
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| yangyapeng | szaher: :) | 14:37 |
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| szaher | move on ? | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: next topic | 14:39 |
| szaher | #topic oslo.db patch | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.db patch (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:39 | |
| szaher | vnogin: Did you see Dima :) ? | 14:40 |
| jiaopengju | yangyapeng: what's your meaning of "I see some common in freezer admin action patch", do you mean these two patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455495/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458412/ | 14:40 |
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| vnogin | szaher: I can ping him by slack :) | 14:40 |
| szaher | vnogin: nice | 14:40 |
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| szaher | we need to have a bit discussion about this patch | 14:40 |
| szaher | I don't know if I should comment on this patch now or I should wait | 14:41 |
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| yangyapeng | jiaopengju: no, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458379/ this patch, this patch need more review -1, i should update it | 14:41 |
| jiaopengju | got it | 14:41 |
| vnogin | as far as I know this patch should be reviewed. However I see some problems with passing our gates :( | 14:41 |
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| yangyapeng | vnogin: i guess your tox test ,it is ok, i have the some question | 14:43 |
| yangyapeng | same | 14:43 |
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| szaher | vnogin: I can some problems with the patch | 14:45 |
| szaher | so I wanted to have a discussion with him first before I comment or review | 14:45 |
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| szaher | for example till now there is oslo.db in requirements.txt :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | I need to update the gate job to use mysql instead of elasticsearch or add one more gate job | 14:46 |
| vnogin | szaher: he hasn't replied me in slack | 14:47 |
| vnogin | however I think we can ping him tomorrow in irc freezer room | 14:47 |
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| szaher | vnogin: Ok seems Ok to me | 14:48 |
| szaher | vnogin: Thanks ! | 14:49 |
| vnogin | cool, however I'll try to ping him after the meeting again | 14:49 |
| szaher | #topic reviews | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:49 | |
| yangyapeng | szaher: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458379/ please review it, need more than -1 | 14:50 |
| szaher | there are few reviews available upstream so we need to get these patches reviewd | 14:50 |
| szaher | for now take a look at this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458379/ | 14:50 |
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| vnogin | ok | 14:53 |
| szaher | anyone wants to add anything before we go :) ? | 14:53 |
| szaher | #topic Open discussion :) | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion :) (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:53 | |
| szaher | anyone wants to discuss anything or any topic ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | vnogin: ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | raliev ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | slashme: ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | m3m0 ? | 14:54 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: ? | 14:55 |
| vnogin | install guide has been discussed already :) | 14:55 |
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| vnogin | however I want to mention that we REALLY need it :) | 14:55 |
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| jiaopengju | +1 | 14:55 |
| szaher | vnogin: I will try to do some efforts around it as well :) | 14:55 |
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| szaher | vnogin: I totally agree with you :) | 14:56 |
| vnogin | szaher: thank you so much :) | 14:56 |
| szaher | I hope to get Ananya back soon so she can help a lot :) | 14:56 |
| vnogin | me too :) | 14:56 |
| szaher | anyway let's continue in freezer room as we're running out of time :) | 14:56 |
| szaher | Thanks Guys :) | 14:57 |
| yangyapeng | thank you szaher | 14:57 |
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| slashme | Thank you szaher | 14:57 |
| jiaopengju | thank you szaher | 14:57 |
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| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 14:58:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-20-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-20-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-20-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 14:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | oops 1 second too early | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| vkmc | hi! | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
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| arnewiebalck | hi | 15:00 |
| tommylikehu | hey | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| bswartz | so we decided to grant extensions to 4 specs last week, with a new deadline of today | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | the only agenda items for this meeting are those 4 specs | 15:01 |
| bswartz | none of them merged yet but some of them did make good progress | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Ensure shares | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ensure shares (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446494/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so first up, ensure shares | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | this one is the most important to me, and the one I've been focusing on | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | we held a teleconference tuesday morning to discuss changes with interested parties | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and we agreed that I would become a co-author on the spec and work on it with zhongjun | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the current proposal is somewhat different that what was proposed last week, and still somewhat different than what we agreed to on the tuesday meeting | 15:04 |
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| zhongjun | thanks | 15:04 |
| bswartz | the tuesday meeting mostly accomplished the team agreeing what problem we were trying to solve, and agreeing in principle how to solve it | 15:04 |
| bswartz | after writing up what we agreed to, I realized we could refine it further and give drivers more control, plus avoid gratuitous ensure_share calls | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | we also agreed that, despite our original assumptions, there are no cases when we want to ensure some subset of the shares on a backend | 15:06 |
| bswartz | it's always all or nothing | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: all per backend you mean? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | yes all or nothing per backend | 15:06 |
| bswartz | because the work is done by the drivers, there's no way to go cross-backend with ensure share | 15:07 |
| bswartz | and there's no reason to either | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so anyways, I think this spec is basically ready | 15:07 |
| bswartz | we could refine it and add more details if needed | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | but I feel like we're past all the major design decisions | 15:08 |
| bswartz | we can discuss it here, or decide to merge it, or give people some more time for more reviews before it merges | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I dunno if the rest of today is enough time, but I hope it is | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: at least rest of the day would help | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: last PS was just uploaded | 15:09 |
| bswartz | well we gave a 1 week extension | 15:09 |
| bswartz | so that takes us to 23:59 today | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | how many hours from now? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | about 8 (?) more hours | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | ok, ty | 15:09 |
| bswartz | does anyone want to wait longer on this spec? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | okay sounds like no | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | let's try to get final reviews done today and I'll be on top of responding to comments and updating if needed | 15:11 |
| bswartz | let's move on | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #topic Update shares | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453553/ | 15:11 |
| zhongjun | +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so this one got a bit of attention late last week, but not much this week | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | give the amount of focus on other specs, it's not surprising this didn't get as much attention | 15:12 |
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| zhongjun | This one have a little change from ensure share spec. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I'm wondering if we should simply deprioritize this one and focus on the remaining ones | 15:13 |
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| gouthamr | there are a flurry of periodic calls already, and adding one more might not be good design | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | I'd like to invest in features that matter to people, and this one is definitely lowest on my list (of the remaining specs) | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | can we see how ensure share goes and evaluate? | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | It is based on ensure share spec, so it is not got a bit of attention | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: have you looked at "autosized/infinite"share spec? | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's later in the agenda | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: not recently, but i know usage stats are expected to be updated periodically... | 15:14 |
| bswartz | let's not cover that yet | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | I'm not in favor of merging update share today, we could decide to give it more time or push it out | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun if you feel strongly about keeping this spec in pike please explain why it's necessary and ensure_shares isn't good enough | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: This one based on ensure share spec, since the ensure share has been merged, this one will not far from merge | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: I don't agree -- the use cases may be similar but the technical challenges are very different and the design needed to satisfy online updates is much more complex | 15:17 |
| tbarron | if ensure_shares gets implemented early we could decide to reconsider it then. I think there are tricky design issues that haven't been worked out yet even though there's lots of good ideas that have been started. | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | we covered that topic briefly in the tuesday meeting | 15:17 |
| bswartz | periodic tasks are something really dislike | 15:18 |
| tbarron | If we approve the spec as is then we will hash out those issues in code review and there's good chance of -2s. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | if there isn't agreement on fundamental design. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I suppose I can imagine ways that this could be implemented efficiently | 15:19 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: yes, I also don't like periodic task, firstly I try to add new API to implement it | 15:19 |
| bswartz | but my guy tells me it won't be easy | 15:19 |
| bswartz | s/guy/gut/ | 15:20 |
| markstur | did using a signal to kick off dynamic updates get rejected somewhere? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | markstur: link? | 15:20 |
| markstur | just thought we'd have dynamic config re-read using a kill signal like nova has discussed for a long time | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I actually think a periodic task is the right user experience, but we have known issues with period tasks that should be sorted out before we add more uses of them | 15:21 |
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| jungleboyj | markstur: Supposedly that is working for manila . | 15:22 |
| bswartz | markstur: that was intended for reloading of conf files, not for updates of all of the shares on the backend | 15:22 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't gotten it to work in test but I think that was because I was in devstack which is a 'special flower'. | 15:22 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: ++ | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | I guess I'm not opposed to this features and I'm sure we could sort out the issues eventually | 15:22 |
| markstur | ok. I was just thinking a conf change could kick off ensure-shares and some of this is overkill, but... | 15:23 |
| bswartz | my main concern is focusing the team during the limited time we have | 15:23 |
| markstur | given a clean state a conf listener would be better than a kill signal | 15:23 |
| bswartz | markstur: you mean HUP signal | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we're getting offtopic though | 15:23 |
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| markstur | so this spec isn't ready. The question should be whether another extension makes sense | 15:24 |
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| markstur | "focusing the team" implies push to Q doesn't it? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I would be okay with giving it more time, but I in my mind this is less important than the other 2 | 15:24 |
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| ganso | I like gouthamr's point that we could wait to see how ensure_shares will play out | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I we could stack rank the specs I'd put this one at the bottom | 15:25 |
| zhongjun | We could solve one more use case if we give this spec some time | 15:25 |
| tbarron | ganso: that's a good iterative approach | 15:25 |
| bswartz | honestly I don't care whether it goes into pike or queens as long as it doesn't distract from other pike stuff we care more about | 15:25 |
| bswartz | the issue is that our process forces us to make a call at milestone-1 about specs being in or out | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we can't postpone that decision under our current rules | 15:26 |
| bswartz | (other than granting specific extensions, which is what we did here) | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to resort to the vote feature, so we can make a call and move on | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #startvote How should we handle update shares spec? more_time, push_to_queens | 15:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: How should we handle update shares spec? Valid vote options are more_time, push_to_queens. | 15:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | (sorry for long choices) | 15:28 |
| tbarron | #vote push_to_queens | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #vote push_to_queens | 15:28 |
| markstur | #vote push_to_queens | 15:28 |
| kaisers_ | #vote #push_to_queens | 15:28 |
| openstack | kaisers_: #push_to_queens is not a valid option. Valid options are more_time, push_to_queens. | 15:28 |
| ganso | #vote #push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| openstack | ganso: #push_to_queens is not a valid option. Valid options are more_time, push_to_queens. | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| toabctl | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| ganso | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| dustins | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| kaisers_ | #vote push_to_queens | 15:29 |
| zhongjun | Ok, we could do it in next version | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "How should we handle update shares spec?" Results are | 15:29 |
| openstack | push_to_queens (9): bswartz, toabctl, markstur, ganso, gouthamr, kaisers_, vponomaryov, tbarron, dustins | 15:29 |
| bswartz | wow we're unanimous | 15:29 |
| bswartz | that was easier than I though | 15:29 |
| markstur | I regret that this discourages folks from getting it ready during pike. I hope someone has some time to get it ready | 15:29 |
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| markstur | but it seems our spec process/etc does help us all focus | 15:30 |
| bswartz | markstur: you make a good point but I have a response | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I would strongly prefer it if new features were worked on ahead of a release rather than during a release | 15:30 |
| bswartz | how great would it be to start the queens release with the code and spec for update shares already done | 15:30 |
| markstur | +! | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1000 | 15:31 |
| tommylikehu | +1 | 15:31 |
| bswartz | yes we're prioritizing other things, but that shouldn't discourage contributors for working on stuff for queens during like | 15:31 |
| bswartz | s/like/pike/ | 15:31 |
| * markstur typo let to +!, but that works! | 15:31 | |
| * bswartz smh | 15:31 | |
| bswartz | okay we have 2 more important ones, let's move on | 15:31 |
| bswartz | #topic Infinite shares | 15:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Infinite shares (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:31 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452097/ | 15:32 |
| tbarron | I don't think we have agreement on what an infinite or auto-sized share would be yet. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | We do have agreement that it would require collecting usage per share and collecting usage per share. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | And I think we have agreement that the need for collecting such usage: | 15:32 |
| tbarron | (1) exists independently of infinite/auto-sized share (see arne's remarks in manila channel earlier today) | 15:32 |
| tbarron | (2) would be a natural extension of vkmc's ceilometer integration work | 15:32 |
| tbarron | (3) but we don't have a good scalable design for collecting usage yet | 15:32 |
| * tbarron shuts up now (for a minute at least) | 15:32 | |
| vponomaryov | (3) is the most critical | 15:33 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we could handle this one similarly to what we did with ensure_share and schedule another meeting to hash out the details with interested parties | 15:33 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: +1000 | 15:33 |
| bswartz | assuming there's enough interest in pushing for this to get done in pike and we believe that the problems are tractable | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | and yes, should be split up to two - usage reporting is one spec and auto/infinite is second | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | so I apologize for not being familiar with this spec, but I have vague memories of the earlier discussions in austin about infinite (unlimited) shares | 15:34 |
| bswartz | for my benefit, what's the purpose of tracking the size at all? | 15:35 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: to bill for usage, not quota | 15:35 |
| bswartz | isn't unlimited supposed to mean unlimited | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay but we don't currently support usage or billing directly | 15:35 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: yes, user will pay for usage | 15:35 |
| markstur | isn't infinite supposed to mean infinite? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so we're assuming there's a mechanism to monitor the consumed space and report that to a billing tool? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | would we ever want similar functionality for our limited shares? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | there are as many ideas of what infinite share means as reviewers | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no, store it and update in our DB | 15:36 |
| bswartz | markstur: nothing is really infinite | 15:37 |
| tbarron | bswartz: we do want it, yes, see arne's remarks in channel today | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | we're also expecting that administrators must be able to control the size of "infinite" shares... | 15:37 |
| arnewiebalck | gouthamr: +1 | 15:37 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: why? | 15:37 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: we could send it to ceilometor.. or something other tool | 15:37 |
| tommylikehu | gouthamr, plus automatically | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | resource starvation... | 15:37 |
| markstur | bswartz: in theory infinite is infinite and nothing is something | 15:38 |
| bswartz | if the adminsitrator is getting money from the user for the used space in the share, doesn't the administrator have an incentive to let the usage grow without bounds? | 15:38 |
| markstur | but sorry for digressing | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | markstur: :) are you loitering around the himalayas these days | 15:38 |
| tbarron | bswartz: not if it uses up the pool | 15:38 |
| markstur | gouthamr: :) | 15:38 |
| jungleboyj | markstur: Is there here to derail for fun. ;-) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: a fully consumed pool is maximum profit for the provider assuming you're billing for usage | 15:39 |
| vkmc | apart from billing, I think it would be useful to users to know how loaded are the shares they are administrating, that can help them to take actions | 15:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: not if other users discontinue service b/c they got starved | 15:39 |
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| vkmc | like, I don't know, resize the share because there is a lot of wasted resources | 15:40 |
| bswartz | tbarron: in theory that would only happen if the admin wasn't fast enough to grow the pool as it filled up | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: also, not all resource control is by chargeback, see CERN example in channel | 15:40 |
| arnewiebalck | bswartz: not all deployments are for profit (and will hence simply grow if there is higher user demand) | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: ack | 15:40 |
| tbarron | ^^^ real world | 15:40 |
| bswartz | thanks to disks being obscenely slow pieces of hardware, you usually have a warning when they approach full capacity | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | ^^^ real world, 3am | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay so arnewiebalck's use case is the more challenging case | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | there's no natural pressure to use storage efficiently because the consumers aren't charged, but the admin still wants to size the shares flexibly | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: I used the weasel work "usually" | 15:42 |
| bswartz | weasel word | 15:42 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I'm always looking for weasel work. | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay so I don't feel like we're going to solve the technical problem during this meeting | 15:43 |
| * tbarron is hungry | 15:43 | |
| bswartz | and I also sense that there's interested in continuing to work on this | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; yes, idea is interesting and useful, design not nailed yet | 15:43 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to propose giving this spec some more time, and trying to schedule a specific meeting to get together and work through the issues here | 15:44 |
| markstur | seems like an interesting spec to discuss, but not close to ready for code | 15:44 |
| arnewiebalck | vponomaryov: +1, I think users will like this | 15:44 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: +1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | please rasie your hand if you want to be included in meetings about this spec | 15:44 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | o/ | 15:44 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:44 |
| arnewiebalck | o/ | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | rasie-ing my hand o/ | 15:45 |
| vkmc | o/ there, more graphical | 15:45 |
| bswartz | friday morning is probably the best time, if people are available | 15:45 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:45 |
| ganso | o/ | 15:45 |
| zhongjun | +1 | 15:45 |
| tbarron | \o/ | 15:45 |
| bswartz | how about 1300 on friday? | 15:46 |
| zhongjun | I am ok | 15:46 |
| markstur | timezone? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | does that not work for anyone? | 15:46 |
| zhongjun | UTC | 15:46 |
| bswartz | markstur UTC, always | 15:46 |
| bswartz | UTC is the official timezone of openstack | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | works for me | 15:46 |
| ganso | works for me | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | okay, sadly got to bail out.. will be on a plane at 1300 UTC tomorrow.. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | i have a conflict 1300-1400 | 15:46 |
| bswartz | does 1400 work? | 15:47 |
| tbarron | can do earlier or later | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay we don't have to use up this whole meeting with scheduling | 15:47 |
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| zhongjun | arnewiebalck: How about you? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i'll try catching up with the after-meeting brief | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I'll contact interested parties after the meeting | 15:47 |
| bswartz | I'd like to do 1300 or 1400 tomorrow just to get it done | 15:48 |
| bswartz | otherwise we're looking at monday | 15:48 |
| arnewiebalck | I’m fine with all discussed options. | 15:48 |
| arnewiebalck | But prefer Friday over Monday :-D | 15:48 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: if it is 1400 tomorrow, I can join too | 15:48 |
| bswartz | #agreed infinite share spec gets another week and we'll swarm on it to get the spec ironed out | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | #topic API filtering | 15:49 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "API filtering (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:49 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447775/ | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | okay, about this tommylikehu and i discussed extensively last evening | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | i've a couple of things to add | 15:49 |
| bswartz | so last week we agreed that we would defer to cinder on the API interface details and only use the manila spec to cover the manila-specific implementation details | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | 1) I misunderstood what the intent of the "generic" filtering spec on cinder's side until code showed up.. | 15:50 |
| tommylikehu | a couple ? I thought we only have one | 15:50 |
| bswartz | but there are now concerns about the intent of the cinder spec | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | cinder has an option to allow administrators to control filters | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | now, they want to create an "allowable_filters" json file that can be tinkered and discovered over API "get me available filters" | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | we neither have that option, nor do i think we signed up to that specific proposal | 15:51 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: as I mentioned yesterday, I think that's bad API design | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | the cinder guys made a choice in the past which I don't agree with | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: only one? | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: ^_^ | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ganso: good point, lol | 15:52 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 15:52 |
| markstur | :) | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | i agree... the point being we don't need to reference that specific spec anymore unless we want to misunderstand the work being proposed here | 15:53 |
| zhongjun | haha | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | we lack filtering in a "generic" way across our GET APIs... some of them have it: shares, snapshots, networks.. | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | maybe we can audit the rest and add them in one micro-version | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: provide a list of things that you do agree with Cinder:) | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | and document that | 15:53 |
| bswartz | anyways the decision to implement filtering, but only if a server option is turned on, seems TOO configurable for me | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | now 2) zhongjun and tommylikehu's main point on the spec was to introduce "contains" or "like" matching | 15:54 |
| markstur | xyang1: :) | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | :) | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | sometimes API functionality needs to be modifiable for good reasons, we have examples of that | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | policy | 15:54 |
| bswartz | but what kinds of filtering is allowed? that's beyond the pale for me | 15:54 |
| bswartz | filtering should be one of those things that's consistent across the board | 15:55 |
| bswartz | it should just work | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | hmmm, so zhongjun: i apologize for the mix up on my part.. i have some comments for you on the spec... | 15:55 |
| tommylikehu | so gouthamr suggests we should go back to two weeks ago and get back to the initialize propose. | 15:56 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: It doesn't matter, I will see it | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | we'll get this in shape today.. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: does that mean not trying to harmonize our design with cinders? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | or am I missing something | 15:57 |
| zhongjun | so, different people make different software :D | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; why not make good example for Cinder? ) | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | however, can we have an extension on this pl0x? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: you just said we'll get it in shape today? | 15:57 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: sure, but i can't expect reviewers to take a look at it as we shape it | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:58 |
| tommylikehu | +1 for another extension | 15:58 |
| bswartz | what's the argument for doing anything at all? | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | and i don't think zhongjun will stay up much longer | 15:58 |
| bswartz | why not punt to queens | 15:58 |
| zhongjun | I can :D | 15:58 |
| bswartz | I guess if we punt to queens we can't set a good example for cinder | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | this is a reasonable improvement, i think pike is enough time to get it right.. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | because cinder will probably do whatever they're planning to during pike | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | okay we're out of time, let's make this last decision in the #manila channel | 15:59 |
| bswartz | please go to the manila channel for 2 minutes | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 16:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-20-14.59.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-20-14.59.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-20-14.59.log.html | 16:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 17:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey! | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Have we met before gagehugo ? | 17:01 |
| mdong_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | hey mdong_ | 17:01 |
| gagehugo | hyakuhei were you in the keystone meeting about VMT coverage? | 17:01 |
| mdong_ | gagehugo is here from the keystone team, they reached out to us a while ago about VMT | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Nope, that one passed me by | 17:02 |
| mdong_ | us being OSIC | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Ah ok :) | 17:02 |
| gagehugo | ah ok | 17:02 |
| mdong_ | with OSIC now gone, I figured this would be the right place to discuss it moving forward | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah for sure | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Looks like it's a quiet room today - security folk are always (busy?) late :P | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Keystone VMT | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone VMT (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:03 | |
| hyakuhei | gagehugo how can we help ? | 17:03 |
| gagehugo | I had a quick lunch and had just sat down right at 12 heh | 17:03 |
| gagehugo | so | 17:03 |
| gagehugo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ | 17:04 |
| * hyakuhei looks | 17:04 | |
| lhinds | hey, sorry folks | 17:04 |
| gagehugo | knikolla and I have an inital draft for keystonemiddleware, unfortunately I'm not familiar with the process and was wondering what the next steps are supposed to be | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent, thanks for taking a run at this gagehugo | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | oh hai capnoday_ | 17:05 |
| capnoday_ | o/ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | perfect timing :D | 17:05 |
| capnoday_ | sup mate | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Keystone have some threat analysis stuff in flight | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/5 | 17:06 |
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| capnoday_ | oh cool | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Arch diagram looks dangerously simple :P | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe elegant is the correct word? ;) | 17:06 |
| gagehugo | keystonemiddleware is pretty simple | 17:06 |
| vinaypotluri | O/ | 17:06 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | sup guys! | 17:07 |
| gagehugo | Im not looking forward to doing the one for keystone itself heh | 17:07 |
| knangia | sorry for being late guys | 17:07 |
| vinaypotluri | hey hyakuhei | 17:07 |
| capnoday_ | hmm not as much trust seperation as i would expect at first glance | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday_ what's the best way to progress this? | 17:07 |
| gagehugo | but any feedback will be greatly appreciated | 17:09 |
| capnoday_ | lets take a look over it, run through the pre-review over the next few days and give feedback in gerrit, if it looks strong as it is, then we can schedule a review in a hangout | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks capnoday_ | 17:09 |
| gagehugo | capnoday_ cool, sounds good | 17:09 |
| capnoday_ | np gagehugo thanks for the submission | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | For something this discrete we might be better off just finding at time to do a hangout next week | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | walk through it quickly | 17:10 |
| capnoday_ | yeah potentially next thursday? Im travelling fri/monday | 17:11 |
| capnoday_ | unless you want to run through it at the summit hyakuhei? | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | hey tkelsey | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | sorry im late | 17:11 |
| capnoday_ | its ok, we gave you all the actions | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I can't actually make it to this summit due to customer commitments | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | w00t | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday_ maybe you should go. | 17:12 |
| capnoday_ | hyakuhei I would love to, lets see | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | ( hyakuhei capnoday_ and tkelsey all work in the same team) | 17:12 |
| capnoday_ | anyway back to the matter in hand, hyakuhei and I will sync, then reach out to you gagehugo next week | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Ok so path forward for this is capnoday_ will followup with a request for a meeting with gagehugo next week | 17:12 |
| capnoday_ | +1 | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Team | 17:13 |
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| gagehugo | capnoday_ hyakuhei sounds good! | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | I'm not sure that right now we have enough resources to do all the things we want to do | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | docs, applications, consulting, TA, VMT etc | 17:13 |
| capnoday_ | +1 | 17:13 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad ^ | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | There's a few paths forward here | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | One is to recruit and I've started talking to the TC for help with that. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | The other is to de-scope some things. | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | In truth the path forward probably lies somewhere in the middle | 17:15 |
| capnoday_ | i think we need to look at the resources we are going to have in 6-12months time, then see what we can realistically achieve with that | 17:15 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:18 |
| sicarie | sorry, got caught up and was pingd saying we had a meeting | 17:18 |
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| capnoday_ | np, thanks for coming sicarie | 17:19 |
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| capnoday_ | hyakuhei anything more on team? or should we put a pin in that and move on? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Sorry, dragged into another call | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | #chair capnoday_ | 17:19 |
| openstack | Current chairs: capnoday_ hyakuhei | 17:19 |
| capnoday_ | heh NP | 17:20 |
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| capnoday_ | ok, lets move on #topic Docs | 17:20 |
| capnoday_ | sicarie asettle any updates on docs? | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tkelsey sicarie lhinds knangia vinaypotluri | 17:20 |
| openstack | Current chairs: capnoday_ hyakuhei knangia lhinds sicarie tkelsey vinaypotluri | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Also hi sicarie ! Great to see you | 17:20 |
| asettle | Hey capnoday_ :) | 17:20 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei hey! good to see you too! | 17:20 |
| capnoday_ | hey | 17:20 |
| asettle | Unfortunately, OSIC is totally eclipsing my priorities right now. | 17:20 |
| asettle | Well, the collapse of OSIC :/ | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | :'( | 17:21 |
| capnoday_ | understandable, thats a real shame | 17:21 |
| sicarie | yeah, changes have definitely slowed since then | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | Reviews on the Barbican chapter are always appreciate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451965/ | 17:21 |
| asettle | Yeah sorry guys. We still have 6 months. I intend to finalise my edits of the guide, and I know the Intel OSICers are also working on finalising the last of the major bugs | 17:22 |
| knangia | yes ! the changes have been slow | 17:22 |
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| asettle | I've got a bit review on that barbican chapter | 17:22 |
| asettle | big* | 17:22 |
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| knangia | the osic team is working on the assigned bugs, but in slow and personal capacity | 17:22 |
| asettle | Let me know if I can help there | 17:22 |
| asettle | Thanks knangia :) | 17:22 |
| knangia | asettle: :) | 17:22 |
| knangia | whenever we push the patch, will let you know settle :) and add you as reviewer | 17:23 |
| vinaypotluri | I haven't got much time to work on docs. Got a little busy with the transition from OSIC. Will keep you guys updated on docs. | 17:23 |
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| asettle | knangia: thank you :) | 17:23 |
| asettle | vinaypotluri: no problem. If it's out of your scope, just unassign yourself :) it's okay. | 17:23 |
| capnoday_ | thanks knangia vinaypotluri et al really appriciate all your work on it | 17:23 |
| vinaypotluri | cool | 17:23 |
| asettle | I'm sorry we can't dedicate a huge amount of time. | 17:23 |
| capnoday_ | totally understandable that you are all a little busy now! | 17:23 |
| asettle | capnoday_ and hyakuhei - i'll be looking at having a chat with you guys when things settle down and talk about priorities and strategies | 17:23 |
| knangia | thanks for the support capnoday_ and asettle ! | 17:24 |
| vinaypotluri | thank you guys for the support | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | It is definitely a priority for us to have a strategy asettle | 17:26 |
| capnoday_ | asettle agreed | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | Anything up here lhinds ? | 17:26 |
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| lhinds | no new ones hyakuhei , but I still need you to look at the stuff fungi recommended around access rights | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | I'll move on to AOB, I don't see much in the OSSN queue | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, ping me the link? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:27 |
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| lhinds | sure | 17:27 |
| fungi | also feel free to ask me for clarifications | 17:27 |
| * fungi can sometimes fail to provide sufficient context for things | 17:28 | |
| knangia | :D fungi | 17:28 |
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| capnoday_ | ok, anything else? | 17:29 |
| capnoday_ | if not, lets wrap up there | 17:29 |
| capnoday_ | ok, thanks everybody | 17:30 |
| capnoday_ | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 17:30:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-20-17.00.html | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-20-17.00.txt | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-20-17.00.log.html | 17:30 |
| lhinds | thx all | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | ty | 17:30 |
| gagehugo | thanks everyone | 17:30 |
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| vinaypotluri | thank you everyone | 17:31 |
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| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 20 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:00 |
| asettle | #topic Roll call | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:00 | |
| asettle | Yo o/ | 21:00 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:00 |
| skelso | o/ | 21:00 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 21:00 |
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| bmoss | howdy | 21:01 |
| asettle | As always, I will wait till 5 past for attendees to appear :) | 21:01 |
| * annegentle waves | 21:01 | |
| asettle | HEy everyone :) | 21:01 |
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| asettle | How's everyone on this fine THursday evening? | 21:02 |
| ianychoi | Here is Friday morning - fine :) | 21:03 |
| asettle | ianychoi: did you even sleep dude? | 21:03 |
| annegentle | ha, who needs sleep ianychoi ? | 21:04 |
| asettle | Alright, in case anyone needs it... | 21:04 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:04 |
| asettle | Agenda | 21:04 |
| asettle | Let's roll | 21:05 |
| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:05 | |
| ianychoi | asettle, annegentle: I slept with setting many alarm rings :) | 21:05 |
| asettle | Drum roll please | 21:05 |
| annegentle | ianychoi nice | 21:05 |
| asettle | No action items. | 21:05 |
| ianychoi | :) | 21:05 |
| asettle | Right, little bit of summit housekeeping out of hte way first | 21:05 |
| asettle | #topic Countdown to summit | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to summit (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:05 | |
| asettle | We have a few sessions up, let me list them for you all | 21:06 |
| asettle | Keep them in mind please | 21:06 |
| asettle | Project Update - Documentation: Mon 8, 3:40pm-4:20pm | 21:06 |
| asettle | App Developer Enablement WG BoF: Wed 10, 11:50am-12:30pm | 21:06 |
| asettle | Operations and Administration Guides: Tue 9, 4:40pm-5:20pm | 21:06 |
| asettle | Onboarding Room: Mon 8, 2:00pm-3:30pm with ianychoi and myself | 21:06 |
| asettle | To see the schedule | 21:06 |
| asettle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/ | 21:06 |
| asettle | Now, that's the major stuff happening this time around | 21:06 |
| asettle | ianychoi and I will be planning onboarding probably tomorrow (today) | 21:06 |
| asettle | Olga and Alexander from MIrantis are helping me with the Project Update | 21:07 |
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| asettle | App Dev - annegentle it would be helpful if you are able to attend | 21:07 |
| asettle | Flanders would liek to discuss the future of the developer site | 21:07 |
| annegentle | asettle oh yeah, I'm not going to Boston after all | 21:07 |
| asettle | Oh nooooo :( | 21:07 |
| annegentle | asettle I'll see if I can catch up with Flanders before then though | 21:07 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, oh noooo :( | 21:07 |
| asettle | annegentle: that would be great. Let me sync you up with some emails and get your thoughts in there. We definitely need you from afar then :) | 21:08 |
| annegentle | oh, it's all good... 14 Summits is a lot of them... | 21:08 |
| asettle | Jeez wow | 21:08 |
| annegentle | right, so it's nice to have gotten a lot planned out at the PTG | 21:08 |
| asettle | Makes sense :) | 21:08 |
| asettle | Does anyone have any questions about the summit or the forum? | 21:08 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me | 21:09 |
| asettle | Cool :) well, ping me if you do | 21:09 |
| annegentle | do we need onboarding materials done ahead of time? | 21:09 |
| annegentle | I saw a few training materials patches going through. | 21:09 |
| asettle | annegentle: yes, we do. If you're able to help or have some ideas... that'd be excellent. | 21:09 |
| asettle | annegentle: I think the onboarding is meant to be designed more for the 'what' of hte project, less of the 'how to contribute' side of things. The upstream university stuff is still around. | 21:10 |
| asettle | Is that still applicable? | 21:10 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114703.html | 21:11 |
| annegentle | asettle ah, ok, would it help if I write up "what are app dev docs?" or is the contrib guide enough? | 21:11 |
| ianychoi | My understanding of onboarding rooms is to help new contributors | 21:11 |
| asettle | annegentle: you know, a little something of a 'what is the app dev docs, and how to contribute' would genuinely be helpful. Something I can say on your behalf. | 21:12 |
| annegentle | based on that description, app dev doesn't really have a project per se. Hm, I'll check in with Flanders. | 21:12 |
| asettle | annegentle: app dev kinda comes under us. | 21:12 |
| asettle | Well, Flanders thinks it does. So. So it be. | 21:12 |
| annegentle | asettle I can make sure that project teams know what API docs are. And I'll check with Flanders. :) | 21:12 |
| annegentle | Because yeah, that needs some finesse | 21:12 |
| asettle | annegentle: that'd be great. Can you loop me in? I'd like to learn and see for myself also. | 21:12 |
| annegentle | asettle yep! | 21:13 |
| asettle | Thank you :) I appreciate htat annegentle | 21:13 |
| asettle | So, now... onto the less fun part | 21:13 |
| asettle | #topic OSIC news | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSIC news (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:13 | |
| asettle | I am a member of the Rackspace OSIC team. At the moment, my job is on uncertain grounds. I will update when I know more on my own behalf. I will continue to work as the PTL for the remainder of the Pike release however I would be remiss to say that this hasn't affected us in a big way. | 21:13 |
| asettle | Unfortunately, we have now lost Ianeta who is our HA guide specialty team lead. Anyone interested in stepping up? | 21:14 |
| asettle | On that note, I pass on to loquacities and bmoss :( | 21:15 |
| loquacities | oh hi | 21:15 |
| loquacities | so, the rackspace OSIC team in australia has been made redundant | 21:15 |
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| loquacities | that's going to severely impact our ability to achieve things in the docs team for the foreseeable future | 21:15 |
| loquacities | of course, we don't know what jobs we will end up getting, so there is a reasonable chance we will find ways to contribute once we have new roles | 21:16 |
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| loquacities | and obviously we will all be doing our best to contribute as much as possible in the meantime | 21:16 |
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| asettle | This means that our Networking, Install, User and Admin, Ops and Arch, and tools leads are all impacted. | 21:16 |
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| loquacities | yep | 21:16 |
| asettle | I'm so sorry loquacities this is really awful :( | 21:17 |
| annegentle | loquacities I know you all are super valuable wherever you land. | 21:17 |
| loquacities | thanks annegentle | 21:17 |
| spotz | :( | 21:17 |
| loquacities | feel free to retweet in your timezone: https://twitter.com/Loquacities/status/854823222197473280 | 21:17 |
| asettle | You've all been such an amazing team - Joseph, Lana, Brian, and Darren | 21:17 |
| asettle | Without all of you, we wouldn't be in the place we are today | 21:17 |
| loquacities | thanks asettle | 21:17 |
| annegentle | asettle +++ | 21:18 |
| loquacities | it was a pleasure to be able to hand the PTL baton to you | 21:18 |
| asettle | loquacities your guidance as PTL and now ex-PTL has been invaluable. | 21:18 |
| loquacities | and you're doing in awesome job in trying circumstances | 21:18 |
| asettle | Unfortunately, that does mean that there is going to be some seriously dramatic changes around here :( | 21:18 |
| asettle | THank you, loquacities | 21:18 |
| loquacities | i'll send a more detailed note to the ML probably early next week | 21:18 |
| asettle | Thank you loquacities | 21:19 |
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| loquacities | with some more info about the Install Guide team, and my intentions over the next little while | 21:19 |
| annegentle | well, we don't need dramatic, but we will need practical :) | 21:19 |
| asettle | To that, for the record of this meeting, I have emailed loquacities and the Australian's with a proposed ramp down plan. Which loquacities already has covered. | 21:19 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:20 |
| asettle | Thank you, loquacities | 21:20 |
| asettle | annegentle: completely right. A practical plan will need to be enacted. I will be working on this in the following week. | 21:20 |
| asettle | We still have 6 months till release. We have time at the very least. | 21:20 |
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| annegentle | asettle yep, thanks for planning and replanning... | 21:21 |
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| asettle | Does anyone have any questions for us? | 21:21 |
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| asettle | Okay, well, back to business as usual :( | 21:22 |
| asettle | #topic Speciality teams reports | 21:22 |
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| asettle | API with annegentle | 21:22 |
| annegentle | So, API -- two things to report | 21:23 |
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| annegentle | One is, the Foundation web dev team is putting together a framework to map API versions to OpenStack versions in the project navigator | 21:23 |
| annegentle | #info Foundation web dev team is putting together a framework to map API versions to OpenStack versions in the project navigator | 21:23 |
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| annegentle | #info JSON files being collected in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454691 | 21:24 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454691 | 21:24 |
| annegentle | Patches are up for cinder, glance, heat, keystone, magnum, manila, nova, swift, though I should probably list the ones that aren't up for ping purposes, ha ha. | 21:25 |
| asettle | That's great annegentle :D | 21:25 |
| asettle | Hahha yeah maybe ;) | 21:25 |
| annegentle | That merged, so the webdev team can start testing. | 21:25 |
| annegentle | Then the other API project team request is to make sure the teams have active API liaisons | 21:25 |
| asettle | annegentle: should the doc liaison not already be the API liaison? | 21:26 |
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| annegentle | Didn't see a patch up for that one yet, though. | 21:26 |
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| annegentle | No definitely needs to be a project contributor / core who can speak to API updates and changes going on. | 21:26 |
| annegentle | Liaison to the API working group in this case. Who also often serves as API info expert | 21:27 |
| asettle | annegentle: let's sync up about it? we should definitely be talking about this a little more. Especially in light of the news, we need to be getting them more involved. | 21:27 |
| annegentle | asettle sure, they really already are though. | 21:28 |
| annegentle | asettle so, not much more optimization needed :) | 21:28 |
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| asettle | Okay :) you let me know what i can do | 21:28 |
| annegentle | asettle keep communicating across projects! | 21:29 |
| asettle | annegentle: on it boss *salutes* | 21:29 |
| annegentle | which you do quite well! :) | 21:29 |
| asettle | I'm just very bossy, mostly. | 21:30 |
| asettle | Okay, sorry, gotta move on :( | 21:30 |
| asettle | So, next up is CLI ref and Config Ref | 21:30 |
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| asettle | Which is Kato-san | 21:30 |
| asettle | I have not heard from Kato-san in weeks. Since hte PTG, actually. I've emailed several times. | 21:30 |
| asettle | ANyone know anything? | 21:30 |
| annegentle | asettle I was wondering the same, hope all is ok! | 21:31 |
| asettle | I hope so too :( | 21:31 |
| asettle | If anyone hears something from him, please let me know. | 21:31 |
| loquacities | i haven't heard anything | 21:31 |
| asettle | Next up is Blair and the Hypervisor Tuning Guide. | 21:32 |
| asettle | Blair's working on this with the science group. | 21:32 |
| asettle | Although in light of recent events, I'm tempted to drop this from our agenda and leave this up to the ops groups. | 21:32 |
| annegentle | yeah that makes sense | 21:32 |
| loquacities | +1 | 21:33 |
| asettle | Okay, I will reach out to Blair and make him aware of recent events. | 21:33 |
| asettle | The responsibility is already his, so, this is just letting it go off our agenda. | 21:33 |
| asettle | Also, on that note, I'm going backwards a little because my brain is backwards today | 21:33 |
| bmoss | happens when you live in the northern hemisphere | 21:33 |
| asettle | But if anyone sees sfinucan around, give that guy a massive gold star. He's been doing a *lot* of our config ref updates. | 21:34 |
| asettle | bmoss: ugh mate you have no idea | 21:34 |
| annegentle | sweet | 21:34 |
| bmoss | yeah, he's been awesome | 21:34 |
| asettle | Which remidns me, bmoss I believe he filed a bug. There's something going wrong with the config updates if you have a chance to look | 21:34 |
| bmoss | yep, will do. :) | 21:34 |
| asettle | Thanks bmoss :) | 21:34 |
| asettle | Okay, loquacities install guides | 21:34 |
| asettle | hit me | 21:34 |
| loquacities | nothing to report, really | 21:34 |
| loquacities | i've been a bit preoccupied ;) | 21:35 |
| asettle | What! How dare you not have Installations on the forefront of your mind at all times. | 21:35 |
| annegentle | loquacities understandable! :) | 21:35 |
| asettle | annegentle: I see you're the good cop here | 21:35 |
| bmoss | If someone wants to take the Placement API out back and put it out of my misery... | 21:35 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:35 |
| asettle | Okay | 21:36 |
| asettle | bmoss: I'll chat to the nova guys in the morning | 21:36 |
| asettle | What's up? | 21:36 |
| annegentle | heh is that for cells bmoss ? | 21:36 |
| bmoss | oh, just that I can't believe I'm still working on it. | 21:36 |
| asettle | bmoss: ugh neither. | 21:36 |
| bmoss | just re: that port vs name bug | 21:37 |
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| asettle | Yeah, I should maybe get cdent to look at it | 21:37 |
| bmoss | eh, it's cool. I just wanted a moment to moan. ;) | 21:37 |
| bmoss | carry on | 21:37 |
| asettle | The floor is yourrsss | 21:37 |
| asettle | It's a safe space | 21:37 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:37 |
| bmoss | lol | 21:37 |
| asettle | Alright | 21:37 |
| asettle | Networkign Guide - John Davidge | 21:38 |
| asettle | Who isn't here | 21:38 |
| asettle | But is also a part of OSIC | 21:38 |
| asettle | I don't konw what his future is, tbh. He's here with me in the UK and life is pretty uncertain | 21:38 |
| asettle | I've asked him a few days ago to check in with the neutron team on getting another lead for this position | 21:38 |
| ianychoi | asettle, it seems that Kato-san is busy. I also sent an e-mail to you for asking I18n things. Let's wait for his replies.. | 21:38 |
| ianychoi | s/you/kato-san | 21:38 |
| asettle | Regardless of the centralisation of the guides, we still need a neutron expert | 21:38 |
| asettle | ianychoi: yes I figured as much. | 21:39 |
| asettle | If anyone knows someone that just absolutely adores neutron and has the time, let me know | 21:39 |
| asettle | Okay, ops and arch darrenc | 21:39 |
| darrenc | hiya | 21:39 |
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| asettle | darrenc: wassup :) | 21:40 |
| annegentle | mornin' darrenc | 21:41 |
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| darrenc | monring | 21:41 |
| darrenc | morning even | 21:41 |
| ianychoi | Morning :) | 21:41 |
| asettle | darrenc: anything to report? :) | 21:41 |
| darrenc | Not a huge amount to report. Ben has updated the storage design section in the Arch Guide | 21:41 |
| asettle | I saw! | 21:42 |
| darrenc | and despite the circumstances, I will still be around to work on the guide | 21:42 |
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| asettle | darrenc: you are a gem. Thank you. I appreciate that so much. | 21:42 |
| darrenc | we slowly plugging away on the guide | 21:42 |
| darrenc | no worries :) | 21:42 |
| darrenc | we're* | 21:42 |
| asettle | darrenc: appreciate that :) | 21:43 |
| annegentle | darrenc thanks | 21:43 |
| asettle | Okay, whoops, gotta got a bit faster | 21:43 |
| annegentle | darrenc good on ya | 21:43 |
| asettle | Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon | 21:43 |
| asettle | I can say that I"m doing update | 21:43 |
| asettle | updates | 21:43 |
| asettle | hyakuhei and I will be working on an action plan in light of recent events | 21:43 |
| asettle | OSIC impacted the security team too | 21:44 |
| asettle | On a new action plan* I should say | 21:44 |
| asettle | Train Guides - Matjaz | 21:44 |
| asettle | Doesn't appear to be here either | 21:44 |
| asettle | Training* | 21:44 |
| asettle | Training labs | 21:44 |
| asettle | I heard from Pranav most recently | 21:45 |
| asettle | He's settled in in Berlin, and is working closely with Roger. But unfortunately does not have hte time to dedicate to OpenStack that he used to :( | 21:45 |
| loquacities | oh yeah, i got an email from him a little while ago too | 21:45 |
| asettle | loquacities: yeah? :) | 21:45 |
| loquacities | just that he's still trying to work on the parser | 21:45 |
| asettle | Yep, that's what I got too :) | 21:45 |
| asettle | So, hopefully we'll see more of them around. | 21:45 |
| loquacities | yep | 21:46 |
| asettle | For a little while yet, anyway | 21:46 |
| loquacities | sorry, i have to drop off | 21:46 |
| loquacities | cya around everyone o/ | 21:46 |
| ianychoi | loquacities, have a good Friday! | 21:46 |
| bmoss | o/ | 21:46 |
| annegentle | loquacities o/ | 21:46 |
| asettle | loquacities: adios! Thanks for coming :) | 21:46 |
| asettle | Admin and User Guides - jrobinson | 21:46 |
| asettle | Any updates? | 21:46 |
| jrobinson | User Guides - The Glance documentation efforts for the admin guide reached | 21:46 |
| jrobinson | a good stage, and I've merged the patch. | 21:46 |
| jrobinson | I have an audit of remaing legacy commands to create, which I can do despite | 21:46 |
| jrobinson | the circumstances. I can also assist with the ongoing Admin Guide migration. | 21:46 |
| asettle | Thank you for your dedication jrobinson :) | 21:47 |
| asettle | I really appreciate that | 21:47 |
| annegentle | jrobinson thanks Joe! | 21:47 |
| annegentle | jrobinson I do like how it is shaping up | 21:47 |
| jrobinson | I'm predicting I should be okay to continue, even if in a reduced capacity somewhat. | 21:48 |
| asettle | That's really great :) | 21:48 |
| jrobinson | That's all from me today :). | 21:48 |
| asettle | Last, but not least, bmoss and tools | 21:48 |
| bmoss | The main thing to report from the last couple of weeks is that we now have a Pike spec up for the doc-tools and theme to support Python 3.5: | 21:48 |
| bmoss | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-doc-tools/+spec/support-python3.5 | 21:48 |
| annegentle | nice bmoss | 21:49 |
| ianychoi | Cool | 21:49 |
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| bmoss | the future is here! | 21:49 |
| asettle | What do we need to be doing, bmoss ? | 21:49 |
| bmoss | basically we need to make sure that our code works under Python 3.5 | 21:50 |
| bmoss | It shouldn't require any major changes | 21:50 |
| asettle | Coolio hoolio :) | 21:50 |
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| bmoss | at the same time, I will probably try to enhance the test suite | 21:50 |
| asettle | That would be great, bmoss :) | 21:50 |
| bmoss | since that is the easiest way to catch version-related issues | 21:50 |
| ianychoi | Great | 21:51 |
| annegentle | bmoss thanks for working on the sitemap tests too | 21:51 |
| asettle | Thank you :) | 21:51 |
| bmoss | no worries :) | 21:51 |
| asettle | Okay, we have a little time left | 21:51 |
| asettle | Just want to quickly talk about | 21:51 |
| annegentle | bmoss one thing I'm not sure of is releasing the theme? | 21:51 |
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| asettle | Oops | 21:51 |
| asettle | Sorry annegentle | 21:51 |
| annegentle | openstackdocstheme I mean | 21:52 |
| annegentle | asettle no worries, was typing as fast as I could :) | 21:52 |
| annegentle | bmoss I can ask olga too | 21:52 |
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| bmoss | annegentle, do you mean what is the process for releasing it? | 21:52 |
| annegentle | bmoss more like, are you and Mariia still up for releasing stuff? | 21:53 |
| bmoss | I think our official Ocata duties are probably done, but I'm totally happy to release the theme. | 21:53 |
| bmoss | or the tools, for that matter. | 21:54 |
| annegentle | bmoss if you're up for it, that would be super helpful to get work going on that spec | 21:54 |
| annegentle | though I don't know if the spec landed yet? | 21:54 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454346/ | 21:54 |
| annegentle | I can fix the bullets, good catch bmoss | 21:55 |
| asettle | Weird. I haven't seen this. | 21:55 |
| bmoss | ah yes, let's get that spec merged. It would be great to move forward with the unification of the themes. | 21:55 |
| asettle | annegentle: on board. Ping me when you want that +2 (or if you want it) | 21:55 |
| annegentle | asettle ok thanks! | 21:55 |
| annegentle | asettle yeah I meant to bring it up during the spec review agenda item today anyway | 21:56 |
| asettle | Sorry for not seeing that sooner | 21:56 |
| asettle | Speaking of | 21:56 |
| asettle | We have 4 minutes left | 21:56 |
| asettle | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| jrobinson | annegentle, just on the earlier point - checking through my notes, I can go create the blueprint to start the migration. | 21:56 |
| asettle | Sorry, I have to skip. But if anyone has any specs, or news, please let's chat now | 21:56 |
| bmoss | annegentle, so just let me know when the theme should go out and we'll make it happen. | 21:56 |
| annegentle | bmoss cool, thanks | 21:56 |
| jrobinson | And thanks, as well :). | 21:57 |
| asettle | +2 annegentle | 21:57 |
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| asettle | Also, for those that haven't seen | 21:57 |
| asettle | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/docs_follows-policy.html | 21:57 |
| annegentle | bmoss ok, merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454448 | 21:57 |
| annegentle | asettle nice work there! governance, indeed! | 21:57 |
| asettle | We are to govern the people! | 21:57 |
| asettle | Well | 21:58 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:58 |
| asettle | Not really | 21:58 |
| bmoss | sweet, thanks annegentle! | 21:58 |
| asettle | Would be cool for people to review the guidelines | 21:58 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453642/ | 21:58 |
| ianychoi | Great with an official tag! | 21:58 |
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| asettle | Okay, one minute | 21:59 |
| asettle | ANything else people? :) | 21:59 |
| bmoss | nope | 22:00 |
| jrobinson | Nothing further from me. | 22:00 |
| ianychoi | Nope | 22:00 |
| darrenc | nothing from me | 22:00 |
| asettle | You're an amazing team, and I appreciate all the wonderful work you're all doing | 22:00 |
| asettle | I hope you all know that | 22:00 |
| bmoss | +2 | 22:00 |
| asettle | Let me know what I can do to support you al | 22:00 |
| asettle | We'll get through this <3 | 22:00 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 22:00 |
| bmoss | why does al get all the love? | 22:00 |
| asettle | Your'e the worst :p | 22:01 |
| bmoss | ;) | 22:01 |
| asettle | Piss of, the lot of ya <3 :P | 22:01 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| darrenc | haha | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 20 22:01:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-20-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-20-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-20-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
| annegentle | asettle lol byeee | 22:01 |
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| jrobinson | ha! o/ see everyone later | 22:02 |
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| bmoss | o/ | 22:02 |
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