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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 14:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:02 |
| szaher | Let's wait 5 minutes for people to join | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | hello szaher | 14:03 |
| szaher | Please take a look at the meeting agenda here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: hello | 14:04 |
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| szaher | #topic api-ref has been completed | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "api-ref has been completed (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:09 | |
| szaher | Freezer api-ref has been completed for v1 and initialized for v2 | 14:09 |
| szaher | I've submitted a change to add the required gate jobs to freezer-api repo to publish it | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | Nice szaher | 14:10 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Thanks :) | 14:10 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459339/ | 14:10 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460179/ | 14:10 |
| szaher | to take a look at the api-ref now | 14:10 |
| szaher | clone freezer-api repo and run tox -r -e api-ref | 14:11 |
| szaher | this should build it in api-ref/build/html/ | 14:11 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: OK ， thanks | 14:12 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: :) | 14:13 |
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| szaher | #topic heat templates | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat templates (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:14 | |
| szaher | yangyapeng: can you ping the guys in #heat room to review this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443426/ | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | OK | 14:15 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: they is some comments already if you can take a look | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: I will update it | 14:16 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Thanks :) | 14:16 |
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| szaher | #topic reviews | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:23 | |
| szaher | Guys please we need to do more reviews | 14:23 |
| szaher | there is some existing patches we need to review soon | 14:24 |
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| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open | 14:24 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-api+status:open | 14:24 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-freezerclient+status:open | 14:24 |
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| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-specs+status:open | 14:24 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/freezer-web-ui+status:open | 14:25 |
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| szaher | anything to add ? | 14:28 |
| szaher | move on ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | Ok, Let's move on | 14:29 |
| szaher | #topic open discussion | 14:29 |
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| szaher | Its open time for any discussion | 14:29 |
| szaher | feel free to raise whatever topic you want to dicuss | 14:29 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: anything to add ? | 14:44 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: anything to add ? | 14:44 |
| szaher | Thanks you guys :) | 14:45 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 14:45:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-27-14.02.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-27-14.02.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-04-27-14.02.log.html | 14:45 |
| yangyape_ | szaher: | 14:45 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 15:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
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| vkmc | hi o/ | 15:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | markstur cknight: courtesy ping | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | not much from me today | 15:03 |
| bswartz | today is the extended deadline for 2 more specs that we gave extensions to last week | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | we can discuss those more in this meeting (usage monitoring in particular) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov had something to share though | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | yeah | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | just to notify that I am going to ganso's club of retired people from manila | 15:04 |
| * tbarron slams his head on the wall | 15:04 | |
| tommylikehu | !!! | 15:04 |
| openstack | tommylikehu: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 15:04 |
| ganso | O_O | 15:04 |
| toabctl | oh | 15:04 |
| dustins | O_O | 15:04 |
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| zhongjun | oh!!! | 15:04 |
| tommylikehu | :((((((((((((((((((((( | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | since middle of June | 15:05 |
| zhongjun | :(( | 15:05 |
| bswartz | yeah I was very sad to hear this | 15:05 |
| ganso | :( | 15:05 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov has been an essential developer for most of the live of the project | 15:05 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov, do you stop working for mirantis ? or are you going todo something different there? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: different | 15:06 |
| jprovazn | sorry to hear (actually read) that :( | 15:06 |
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| xyang2 | vponomaryov: oh no! | 15:07 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: Best of luck in your future endeavors, man, sorry to hear that | 15:07 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I can't see how it could possibly be as much fun as manila. | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | thank you for nice words ) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | I hope it has broken gates for you to fix. | 15:07 |
| xyang2 | vponomaryov: anyone else from Mirantis still work on Manila? | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang2: don't think so | 15:08 |
| zhongjun | Would you like to keep working on manila? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | zhongjun: yes, would like | 15:08 |
| bswartz | for those that don't know, Mirantis's involvement in Manila was part of a partnership between NetApp and mirantis back when we were trying to jumpstart the project with talented developers in 2013 | 15:09 |
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| ganso | bswartz: so is that partnership over? | 15:09 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: are you trying to say this is NetApp's fault?:) | 15:09 |
| bswartz | mirantis's business has changed over time though | 15:09 |
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| tommylikehu | intel and rackspace | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | I don't know about the partnership, but this particular part of it was ended despite my attempts to continue it | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | and NetApp probably feels that Manila has been jump started (opinions not endorsed by employer) | 15:10 |
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| vponomaryov | and, compared to ganso, I cannot say I will be able to spend time for manila activities | 15:12 |
| xyang2 | bswartz, gouthamr: will you two continue to work on Manila | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | because amount of free time is unknown yet | 15:12 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: yeah back when we started the project we never really imagined that mirantis would be involved for this long, but it was a terrific partnership | 15:12 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: so, unless something turns up for you to continue to work on manila, we will be 100% short of a core | 15:13 |
| bswartz | and whatever happens in the future, we all owe a huge thanks to vponomaryov for what he's done so far | 15:13 |
| cknight | bswartz: +100! | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | xyang2: would love to :) | 15:13 |
| toabctl | +100! | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1000 | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | +++++ | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: you'll be a tough act to follow... but thanks for teaching us along the way | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | regarding vponomaryov's status, he'll remain on the core reviewer team and he'll be welcome to participate however he is able to going forward | 15:14 |
| tbarron | he's kinda young looking for an emeritus professor | 15:14 |
| bswartz | if vponomaryov ends up going a completely different direction and doesn't return, we'll eventually remove him like we did with u_glide | 15:15 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: +1:) | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: hard childhood )0 | 15:15 |
| zhongjun | thanks vponomaryov for your goooood ideas | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: not only u_glide | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | anyways vponomaryov is the owner of a number of things, and while we have him for another ~6 weeks, he won't be able to finish everything he owns so many things will need new owners | 15:16 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: well, I will need to find somebody else to argue on the IRC channel now :P | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | oh, yeah, one additional note, I will be on vacation since 1st of May and till 9th | 15:17 |
| tbarron | slacker | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | so, it is about 5 weeks | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu | vponomaryov: where is your destination | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov is too smart to answer | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu: not sure I understand your question | 15:18 |
| bswartz | there are some essential items, like the generic driver and zfs drivers which definitely need new owners, and vponomaryov has told me he thinks he can shepherd all the share-group patches until they merge | 15:18 |
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| xyang2 | vponomaryov: your next adventure? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: he's asking if you're traveling anywhere on your vacation | 15:18 |
| vkmc | vponomaryov, so sorry to hear that you are moving to some other project :( | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: ) | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2, bswartz: vacation is not a journey to somewhere | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | have lots of local deeds | 15:19 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: in the USA we call that a "staycation" | 15:20 |
| bswartz | a vacation where you stay home | 15:20 |
| xyang2 | vponomaryov: I meant do you know what you will be working on after Manila? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: not yet | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: then yes, it is staycation ) | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay well that's enough of the sad news, let's move on to the meeting agenda | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #topic Share usage monitoring | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459150/ | 15:21 |
| bswartz | so, I'm embarrassed to say that last week when we discussed usage monitoring, I didn't consider the fact that polling would be involved until I read the updated spec | 15:22 |
| bswartz | and I've been thinking all week about any way possible to avoid polling | 15:22 |
| bswartz | unfortunately I haven't come up with anything | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so we need to recognize that if we want this feature, it has a built in scalability problem | 15:23 |
| bswartz | in retrospect, this is why we avoided implementing it in the beginning, because share usage was definitely something we considered at the start of the project in 2013 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | given where the project is now, I think it's worth doing the feature with monitoring if necessary | 15:24 |
| bswartz | but we need to be mindful of the impact of periodic polling | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | I like the fact that the interval will be admin controlled, so the admin can decide if we wants fast or slow polling | 15:25 |
| bswartz | a small deployment might want to gather usage statistics every few minutes, while a large deployment might only do it once a day | 15:25 |
| tbarron | or none and just trigger the poll without periodic control in manila | 15:25 |
| bswartz | tbarron: what would be the point of that? | 15:26 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron: how | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | how is on-demand monitoring any better than slow automatic monitoring? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | I might want to query in smaller batches spaced out over the day rather than doing all shares on the backend at once\ | 15:26 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I thought about that but there's reasons not to | 15:26 |
| tbarron | ? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | depends on my business I think | 15:27 |
| bswartz | consider that for many backends, it may be vastly more efficient to query all the usage information at once | 15:27 |
| tbarron | ack, and for some it may not | 15:27 |
| bswartz | rather than to ask one at a time | 15:27 |
| tbarron | for some I may be running 'du -s' on each share in the batch. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I can see it being the same, but how could all at once be worse than one at a time? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | the manager will wait less time on each call | 15:28 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: Why we don't want add periodic task when we need monitor? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | the call manager to driver is synchronous | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: I'm in favor of the periodic task | 15:28 |
| vkmc | you could perform the query manually, when needed... | 15:28 |
| bswartz | tbarron: as the spec is written, the manager asks the driver for all the shares in a single call | 15:29 |
| tbarron | I'm not against it, and she has a way to turn it off. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and I like the current proposal, but I see your objection | 15:29 |
| tbarron | it asks for usage for a list of shares, which it supplies, as the spec is written | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | the problem is that we'd need an entirely different mechanism to do what you propose and space the shares out over the whole dat | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i presume the list of shares will be gathered for that host.. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | the spacing out can be done outside of manila | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: in the multi-share server case, that's kinda helpful | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tbarron: okay you're thinking the driver will have it's own magic inside to gather the data incrementally? | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | If I'm a cloud op, I can query manila for the shares on each backend, then run through that list at whatever granularity I want. | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: I thought of incremental logic in the driver but I think that's overkill. | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: so, you want to have API for it? | 15:31 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: ack | 15:31 |
| bswartz | okay so this brings us to the other important point -- storing the data | 15:31 |
| bswartz | the spec as written proposes storing the data in memcached | 15:31 |
| bswartz | but memcached is a lossy storage system | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | manila gather-usage-stats --filters user_id=xyzzy,name~=test | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:31 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: +1 | 15:32 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: haha | 15:32 |
| bswartz | memcached can choose to evict data if it fills up, making it a poor choice for storing data that the manila API will depend on | 15:32 |
| zhongjun | Do we need automatic in cloud? or just new api? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | A more obvious choice IMO would be to store the usage data in the shares table itself | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | on the query side, that adds almost no cost when invoking a share details API | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | +1 bswartz , memcached solves only load issues | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | it should not be the only place where we store data | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | DB should have it and we should cache it in memcache, only that way | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the only downside I can see (to storing in the DB) is the constant write traffic from the share manager as it periodically collects and updates usage | 15:34 |
| tbarron | zhongjun went to memcached b/c I argued that that has performance impact scaling issue. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | that ^^ storing usage in db | 15:34 |
| tommylikehu | tbarron +1 | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | however the cost of that write traffic is arguably less than the cost of collecting the information from the backends (at least in cases where a du -s is involved) | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: if we have cache we could write to DB in bursts | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | if interval is configurable the usage numbers might be stale and inappropriate for user consumption | 15:35 |
| tbarron | she started with storing in DB tables | 15:35 |
| bswartz | ganso: better yet we could simply not update the ones that haven't changed | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1000 | 15:36 |
| tbarron | bswartz: and she has proposed the compare and only update if changed | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: current proposal considers memcache as the only source of that data | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron" s/current/current patch set/ | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so I'm pretty happy with the existing driver interface design, but my current thinking is that we should ignore memcached entirely in this spec, because it's an optimization to solve a problem which may not exist | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: I understand, I'm just pointing out that some of these ideas have been proposed along the way. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | classic premature optimization | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | and if optimization is needed, we will still need stable storage behind memcached, so it's better to figure that out now | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | I'm not sure that the issue of performance issues that may scale with the number of shares on the backend is a premature optimization issue. | 15:38 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: +1 yes, we could use other way to store info, even if we don't install memcached | 15:38 |
| tbarron | It is a design issue. | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: the scaling issue cuts across all parts of the design | 15:38 |
| tbarron | +1000 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ideally we want to avoid doing work on behalf of shares that haven't been touched by anybody | 15:39 |
| bswartz | unfortunatey manila isn't in a position to know which shares are "in-use" vs unused, so polling seems to be unavoidable | 15:39 |
| * tbarron isn't meaning to argue that we should use memcached though | 15:40 | |
| bswartz | perhaps backends can know which shares are untouched and use that as part of an optimization when collecting usage information | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: actually, it is good to use it even out of scope of this feature | 15:40 |
| bswartz | but that's below the driver interface and not our concern | 15:40 |
| tbarron | we might want to prototype it in one of our drivers though | 15:41 |
| tbarron | best practice if you have to check each share separately | 15:41 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'm pretty sure the prototype will involve a system("df") call | 15:41 |
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| tbarron | I was thinking stat will be cheaper than du -s | 15:42 |
| bswartz | tbarron: you mean statfs? | 15:43 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: stat? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | stat is for individual inodes | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | yeah, I was thinking stat on the root of the share but that may not get what is needed | 15:44 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: 'stat' system call or equivalent, but nm, I am taking us off track | 15:44 |
| bswartz | statfs() is the venerable linux system call intended for this purpose | 15:44 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ack | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it has many bugs, so beware ;-) | 15:45 |
| bswartz | s/bugs/errata/ | 15:45 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:45 |
| bswartz | okay so in the interest of moving on, can we agree that we should replace memcached with a simple new database column in the spec? and we can assess DB performance issues at another time? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I suspect that DB performance issues will be the least of our scaling issues regarding this feature | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | DB support is a must | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | okay.. as long as we're controlling who sees that column by policy. | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | memcache support should be separate effort | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | when the GET /shares API is invoked.. | 15:47 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: what security concern do you have? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | this isn't exactly secret information | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | it's not a security concern as much as it's unpredictable, unlike size. | 15:47 |
| tbarron | storing volatile info in this kind of DB seems weird to me, gotta say | 15:47 |
| tbarron | I think ceilometer does specialized stuff for these kinds of data | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | so as a user, i'd much rather rely on looking at a mounted share for the size.. administrators controlling the polling information may know that the information is as stale as they let it be | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is not something like user sessions that can be lost without any problems | 15:49 |
| tbarron | as an admin I want a timestamp with the data and I want to refresh it if it's too stale and use it if it's good enough | 15:49 |
| tbarron | as a user I want the truth | 15:49 |
| tbarron | now | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: you raise a good point | 15:50 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: only if I care what the usage was "then". I can always get it now at more cost by doing a direct driver query. | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the information is volatile, and users who want the true value can always obtain it themselves by mounting the share | 15:50 |
| ganso | gouthamr: maybe we should name the field "last_usage_reading" or something along these lines... else I believe it will sparkle confusion about the inaccuracy of the usage value | 15:50 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: but if you have many shares, you could looking at share usage size quickly in the list | 15:51 |
| bswartz | however if manila will ever use these numbers for any decision making, then we need them stored somewhere so the admin/user can see what manila things that value is, however incorrect the value may be | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: so, you propose to have also timestamp when usage record was updated? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | s/things/thinks/ | 15:51 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: i think so, any downside? | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: no, I like it | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | )) | 15:52 |
| bswartz | downside is that the timestamp will *always* change ensuring writes to that DB column all the time | 15:52 |
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| tbarron | right | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: not if you define another timestamp for this purpose | 15:52 |
| bswartz | again it's probably not a huge issue, but it's more expensive than just storing the GB value | 15:52 |
| tbarron | so i think ceilometer was made for this kind of thing :D | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: so your proposal is, make the share manager collect this data, and emit it into the ether but don't store it at all? | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 size_used sounds like it's always accurate | 15:53 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I think it's worth considering. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | yeah I agree | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | +1 i like the idea | 15:54 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: what is the use case for making the data available through the share API? why not just send it to ceilometer or some other metrics collection engine? | 15:54 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: We could store a inexact timestamp | 15:54 |
| tbarron | we have to get the info, that's one problem. We have to transmit it to ceilometer anyways, that's another. | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it means, any admin that wants to bill for usage will require ceilometer onboard? | 15:55 |
| tbarron | Then whether we also build our own persistence so we can run without ceilometer and get usage, that's another. | 15:55 |
| ganso | if there is nobody to consume the data, then the data has no value... a polling mechanism that stores in the DB will always discard the value at the polling rate | 15:55 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: that's the downside unless we build something like ceilometer in manila. | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | ganso: if nobody will consume it, we'll have a way to turn it off | 15:56 |
| bswartz | tbarron: let's not to dothat | 15:56 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: +1 | 15:56 |
| bswartz | the collection itself is disabled by default, it will only run if the admin specifically configures it | 15:56 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: I wrote it in the spec, admin could want to know it for charge | 15:56 |
| bswartz | and presumably the admin would configure a consume for the data | 15:56 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I meant that for this the ceilometer approach makes more sense, if someone will consume it, should be through ceilometer, it is less expensive and storing it in our DB a value that nobody might read | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | ganso: also, i think the option will be "turn it on if necessary", it's off by default. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: but the admin could go to ceilometer's API for that, right? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I really don't like storing volatile data which might be read by nobody and will usually be inaccurate | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ceilometer is designed exactly for this kind of thing | 15:58 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: but if the admin don't install the ceilometer | 15:58 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: then they leave the collection turned off | 15:58 |
| ganso | zhongjun: then I'd say the feature cannot be enabled | 15:59 |
| bswartz | or use gnochi (sp?) instead | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | agree | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: it needn't be ceilometer, any consumer to our telemetry notifications.. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | okay I sense we're in agreement here about the data storage | 15:59 |
| bswartz | it will probably take more than a few hours to update the spec | 15:59 |
| bswartz | so let's give this one a few more days and keep providing gerrit feedback | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I think we're close | 16:00 |
| * gouthamr #TIL gnocchi = soft dough dumplings | 16:00 | |
| bswartz | we have to end this meeting though | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| tbarron | bswartz: by "ceilometer" I mean it and the projects it spawned | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 16:00:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-27-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-04-27-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| michaelxin | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 17:02:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hey hey! | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #chair michaelxin | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei michaelxin | 17:02 |
| michaelxin_ | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #chair michaelxin_ | 17:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei michaelxin michaelxin_ | 17:03 |
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| michaelxin | hi | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | OMG it's gmurphy ! | 17:04 |
| mdong_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | o/ mdong_ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #chair mdong_ | 17:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei mdong_ michaelxin michaelxin_ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | How's things guys? | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | it is fiesta here | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | could not be better | 17:05 |
| mdong_ | literally, as in, we have a holiday called fiesta in this city | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: how are you doing? | 17:07 |
| mdong_ | updates from us: I’m currently working with my team here at rackspace to automate security testing here using syntribos | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | That's awesome mdong_ | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | michaelxin crazy busy! | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't have a huge amount for the pair of you today. I'm working on a plan for the next phase of the OSSP | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | which I'd liek to share with you soon | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | yup | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | We will continue contributing | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | with our free time | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | That's much appreciated | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to share plans for world domination | 17:09 |
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| fungi | the organizer for the security team update panel in boston at the summit is still lokking for hopefully one more panelist if anyone's already planning to attend | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | ^^ good point fungi thanks for mentioning that | 17:10 |
| fungi | so far it's me and redrobot | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | :) love that guy | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I can't make it - not happy about that | 17:10 |
| fungi | neither can the rest of the vmt | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | :( | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | :-( | 17:11 |
| fungi | we'll manage | 17:11 |
| fungi | planning to do the panel tuesday 3:40-4:20pm edt | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | will it be recorded? | 17:12 |
| fungi | i believe so | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | cool | 17:12 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18668/openstack-security-team-update | 17:13 |
| fungi | took me a sec to dig it out of the schedule | 17:14 |
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| michaelxin | Looks like a great event | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | Good luck | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Does anyone know if the OSIC guys communicated to the summit that they can't give their talks ? | 17:15 |
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| mdong_ | yeah, they asked us earlier this week if any of us were going and if it was safe to delete the session | 17:16 |
| fungi | anyway, anyone from the security team reading this later, if you'll be in boston for the summit and are willing to be on the panel feel free to reach out to me in irc over the next few days and i can hook you up with the organizers | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks fungi | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Ok I think we can wrap :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | TY all :) | 17:21 |
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| fungi | thanks | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 17:23:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-27-17.02.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-27-17.02.txt | 17:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-04-27-17.02.log.html | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | bye | 17:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 27 18:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| tosky | o/ | 18:00 |
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| esikachev | o/ | 18:00 |
| tellesnobrega | i guess it will be only the three of us today | 18:02 |
| tellesnobrega | lets get it started and people can join as we go | 18:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 18:02 |
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| tellesnobrega | I got CDH image working but validation is still in progress, now I'm working on ambari image, seems like I'm facing a timeout issue, cluster is failing, but most of the stuff I could install afterwards using ambari UI | 18:03 |
| tosky | I'm going to add additional build jobs to support the new building method, but in the meantime I'm fixing the issues on the current gates | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | I have to check if anything is missing from the image, but hopefully that won't be long | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | also, I'm preparing the OpenStack talk | 18:04 |
| esikachev | unfortunately, I have not any updates | 18:04 |
| tosky | I fixed two of the issues, but one requires a bit of toughts | 18:04 |
| tosky | namely https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1686400 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686400 in Sahara "Building of Spark images fails as it requires CDH 5.4" [Undecided,New] | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | it will be on Wednesday afternoon, 17:30 to 18:10 iirc | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | on tuesday we have the onboarding session, esikachev can you help me out with that? | 18:04 |
| esikachev | sure | 18:05 |
| esikachev | what i need to do? | 18:05 |
| tellesnobrega | it will be basically a time to introduce people how to work on sahara, and if you can, you could explain a little about the tests | 18:05 |
| tellesnobrega | what type of tests we have, how to implement, how to run | 18:05 |
| tellesnobrega | basically that, I will start a presentation and we can work on it this coming week | 18:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | nothing too fancy I would say, just some steps to guide people | 18:06 |
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| esikachev | ok, no problems. fyi, from 4th may I will be in New York and from 7th in Boston | 18:07 |
| esikachev | small vacation :) | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome, I'll get to boston on the 8th, monday only | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | nice | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | I'll do the same, but after the summit | 18:07 |
| tellesnobrega | hopefully we can finish this up by tuesday | 18:08 |
| esikachev | you can ping me by email in any time | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | great, thanks | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic OpenDiscussion | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenDiscussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:08 | |
| esikachev | tellesnobrega: are you ready for speed mentoring? | 18:09 |
| esikachev | or you will skip it? | 18:10 |
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| tosky | before the meeting, jeremyfreudberg reminded about the plan to upload Ocata images to sahara-files | 18:10 |
| tosky | I can take a look at it; I guess that we need to do something similar to what we do for the other build artifacts from sahara-extras | 18:11 |
| tosky | if infra allows it, of course | 18:11 |
| tosky | do we want to manually trigger the refresh of the images, right? | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, I won't make it, I will get there monday afternoon | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | I sent an email to the responsibles explaining the situation | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, yes, we need that asap if infra allows it | 18:12 |
| esikachev | you mean upload images to sahara-extra? | 18:13 |
| esikachev | or about images on sahara-files? | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, I don't think that is. Upload the images to sahara-files | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | to update them with ocata images | 18:13 |
| clarkb | what is sahara-files? | 18:14 |
| tosky | esikachev: if you can upload to sahara-files, that would be fine as well; but I was thinking that maybe the best solution long term is uploading them to $somewhere on infra | 18:14 |
| tosky | if infra allows it | 18:14 |
| tosky | and we have infra here :) | 18:14 |
| tosky | clarkb: http://sahara-files.mirantis.com/images/upstream/ | 18:14 |
| esikachev | sahara-files is mirantis account on rackspace | 18:15 |
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| esikachev | I uploaded them manually | 18:15 |
| esikachev | Or am I wrong? | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | we use it to keep sahara ready images so users don't need to build their own if they don't want to | 18:16 |
| tosky | esikachev: about uploading manually, about using sahara-files, or about something else? | 18:16 |
| esikachev | about uploading images to sahara-files | 18:16 |
| clarkb | as for infra uploading to things like that we have to segregate credentials to do that onto special servers so that they aren't exposed. So general process is build job stores artifcat on tarballs.openstack.org, then subsequent job runs on privileged host to copy artifact from tarballs to $otherlocation | 18:17 |
| clarkb | might be best to describe exactly what you are thinking of doing without too many implementation details to a message on openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org and we can go from there | 18:17 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks clarkb, we will do that | 18:18 |
| tellesnobrega | who can take that action? tosky, esikachev? | 18:18 |
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| esikachev | i can build and upload, but it will be tomorrow | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, thanks | 18:20 |
| esikachev | can you specify plugins and versions? | 18:20 |
| tellesnobrega | about sending the email to infra so we start thinking about storing the images there, tosky can you send that email? | 18:20 |
| tosky | yes, I can | 18:20 |
| tellesnobrega | I would say, anything that is not deprecated in ocata should be built | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | deprecated ones the user can take care if they want | 18:21 |
| tosky | clarkb: we already have a job to upload some artifacts | 18:21 |
| tosky | but I won't into details | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | #action tosky to email infra about storing sahara images on OpenStack infra | 18:21 |
| tosky | clarkb: and as you are here :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458815/ | 18:22 |
| tosky | a follow-up of a discussion few weeks ago | 18:23 |
| clarkb | thanks will review | 18:23 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: \o/ | 18:23 |
| tellesnobrega | the other topic that I want to throw out there so we can start thinking about is the next PTG, it will be held in Denver and I was asked if Sahara will make it | 18:24 |
| vgridnev | I've missed that meeting actually. Anyway, I don't have updates from me, still no activities on my change to the devstack-gate project | 18:24 |
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| tellesnobrega | I think that jeremy can make it, since he is "close" | 18:24 |
| tellesnobrega | I would like to know if esikachev and vgridnev think that you can make it, because I don't think it makes sense to have only two people in the room | 18:25 |
| tellesnobrega | also shuyiang but he isn't here | 18:25 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, would be awesome to have you there as well | 18:26 |
| tosky | eh | 18:26 |
| tosky | let's see | 18:26 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 18:26 |
| tosky | I was hoping from some other locations, but let's see | 18:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | lol | 18:26 |
| vgridnev | I don't think I will be able to visit Denver | 18:26 |
| esikachev | I will try, but I am not sure | 18:27 |
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| esikachev | only, if TSP will help :) | 18:27 |
| tellesnobrega | ok. I don't like the idea of the team not meeting for too long | 18:27 |
| tellesnobrega | I will ask around and try so we make it there | 18:28 |
| tellesnobrega | I'll let you know | 18:28 |
| tosky | clarkb: not sure you can take a look to this change in devstack-gate, useful for our multinode testing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447158/ | 18:28 |
| tellesnobrega | anyone has other topics? | 18:30 |
| esikachev | i haven't | 18:30 |
| tellesnobrega | I actually have one other topic, since vgridnev is also here | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | I was thinking about the possibility of us taking the plugins code out of sahara | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | and have it as a library | 18:31 |
| tosky | I remember that we discussed about it in the past | 18:31 |
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| tellesnobrega | this will allow users to have access to newest plugin versions without having to wait for a new OpenStack release | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | I talked with elmiko (michael mccune) today, he is looking for logs of this previous discussion, but he remembered the that overall idea was well accepted I also think this could be a great step forward for sahara | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | just throwing the idea, take some time to think it over, I will write a spec on it after the summit | 18:33 |
| tellesnobrega | we can discuss it in more details | 18:33 |
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| tellesnobrega | if no one has anything else to discuss today, lets end it and we got 20 minutes back to work | 18:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks guys, please remember to review our open patches | 18:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 18:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 27 18:39:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-04-27-18.00.html | 18:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-04-27-18.00.txt | 18:39 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-04-27-18.00.log.html | 18:39 |
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| esikachev | thank you | 18:39 |
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