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masahitohi all, time to blazar meeting09:00
masahito#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 09:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)"09:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:00
masahito#topic RollCall09:00
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masahitoo/09:01
hiro-kobayashio/09:01
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masahitotoday's agenda is09:01
masahito1. boston summit recap09:01
masahito2. gate failure09:02
masahito3. AOB09:02
masahitoanything else?09:02
masahitolet's move on first.09:02
masahito#topic boston summit recap09:03
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masahitosorry, disconnected09:05
masahito#chair hiro-kobayashi, priteau09:05
openstackCurrent chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau09:05
hiro-kobayashihello again :-)09:05
masahitowe had our 2 meetings in last summit. #1 meeting is about blazar internal feature. #2 meeting is with Placement API team09:05
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masahitowe had great discussions in both session09:06
masahitowe can check the result in here09:06
masahitohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-boston-summit09:06
masahitotejaswi: hi09:06
masahitotejaswi: we're just starting from summit recap09:07
tejaswihi masahito09:07
masahitoAnd in Forum session, we heard some ideas about preemtible instance, like spot instance in AWS.09:08
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masahitoNova has a spec for the feature. they request everyone who has interests for it to review their spec.09:08
masahitohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640/209:09
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masahitoI plan to send an e-mail to openstack-dev ML about summit summary.  Is there anything I have to write there?09:10
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hiro-kobayashihow about Including URLs of our session's video?09:12
priteauI have added notes I took on Thursday to the Etherpad09:12
masahito_so sorry, bad connection :-/09:12
masahito_hiro-kobayashi: sounds nice. I'll do.09:13
masahito_priteau: thanks the following up comment!09:13
priteaumasahito_: add links to our Etherpads09:14
priteauThere's the one about the discussion session from Wednesday too09:14
masahito_there are 3 links in the mail, our project update track, blazar's etherpad and the forum etherpad.09:15
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hiro-kobayashisounds good09:16
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priteau+109:17
masahito_ok, if someone want to discuss details about new features, let's do in AOB09:18
masahito_and move on next item09:18
masahito_#topic gate failure09:18
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masahito_oh, my nickname has '_', so the bot doesn't react.09:19
masahito_hiro-kobayashi: priteau: could you type #topic command?09:19
priteau#topic gate failure09:19
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masahito_priteau: thanks09:19
masahito_I noticed hrito pushed a new patch set against the failure.09:20
masahito_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460430/09:20
masahito_hrito: any comments for the patch?09:21
hritoIMO, we use same conf in keytonemiddleware and keystoneclient but this is next work.09:22
hritoit seems like there is some error in tempest test, but little more effort to fix gate09:24
hritothat's all from my side09:25
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priteauWe should get the Tempest tests passing09:26
masahito_hrito: thanks the update!09:26
masahito_the port number used by devstack is different from default value. The change would be just fix pluggin.sh, right.09:26
masahito_http://logs.openstack.org/30/460430/7/check/gate-blazar-devstack-dsvm/ef40969/logs/screen-blazar-a.txt.gz09:26
hritoyes it seems right09:26
masahito_priteau: right.09:27
masahito_fix the gate failure, then rebase all patches on it09:27
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masahito_any comments or questions?09:28
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masahito_all right. everyone don't forget to review the patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460430/09:29
masahito_#topic AOB09:30
masahito_ahh... could someone change topic?09:31
hiro-kobayashi#topic AOB09:31
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masahito_we had summit and meeting last week. I guess not much topic to discuss today.09:32
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masahito_tejaswi: do you have any topic from your side?09:33
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tejaswimasahitO_: I do not have any updates09:36
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masahito_tejaswi: got it.09:36
masahito_anything else to discuss today? if nothing ,09:36
masahito_we can finish this meeting early.09:37
hiro-kobayashinothing from me09:37
masahito_some of us are suffering from jetlag.09:37
hiro-kobayashiyeah... :-(09:37
priteauI hope your travel back to Japan was good09:39
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masahito_priteau: maybe. compared to the travel to EU.09:40
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masahito_anyway. thanks all!09:41
hiro-kobayashi#endmeeting09:41
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openstackMeeting ended Tue May 16 09:41:30 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:41
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-05-16-09.00.html09:41
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-05-16-09.00.txt09:41
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-05-16-09.00.log.html09:41
hiro-kobayashithanks all! bye09:41
masahito_let's review and push your codes you want to use :-)09:41
hritobye09:41
priteauGood bye09:41
masahito_hiro-kobayashi: thanks09:41
masahito_bye09:41
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EmilienMhey13:58
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 14:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
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EmilienM* review past action items14:00
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EmilienM* one off agenda items14:00
EmilienM* bugs14:00
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
EmilienM* CI14:00
EmilienM* Specs14:00
EmilienM* open discussion14:00
EmilienMAnyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ14:00
EmilienMHi everyone! who is around today?14:00
jpicho/14:00
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ccamachoHey folks! Good to have you all back!14:01
marioso/ ooo14:01
matbuo/14:01
EmilienMccamacho: yeah I missed you too14:01
florianfo/14:01
sshnaidmo/14:01
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ccamachoajaj :P14:01
rascao/14:01
jistrhi14:01
EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:02
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:02
EmilienMif you have more topics for this week, please add it14:02
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EmilienMrasca: floor is yours :)14:02
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rascaok, thanks, so basically the topic here is to decide whether to give more exposure to tripleo-quickstart-utils pcakage14:03
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mwhahahao/14:03
shardyo/14:03
rascabasically it is a series of tools dedicated to HA14:03
rascato test, apply things like stonith and instance ha14:03
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rascaand so on14:03
cdearborno/14:03
rascatoday this lives under redhat-openstack github repo14:04
rascaand despite of the name it is NOT a thing usable just with quickstart deployments14:04
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mariosrasca: why does it not belong in quickstart extras sorry for silly question14:04
EmilienMrasca: is it something that could live in tripleo-quickstart-extras?14:04
rascamarios, EmilienM, originally it was part of extras, but with the guys from the team we realized that HA was a topic limited to few (basically me) and it was really hard to find out guys for reviews14:05
rascamarios, EmilienM, so we decided to move it off and create that redhat-openstack repo14:06
weshay0/14:06
rascasince this was separated I worked to keep the things usable also off-quickstart14:06
EmilienMin general, i'm not in favor of using redhat-openstack namespace for tripleo related projects14:06
adarazso/14:06
EmilienMtripleo aims to be 100% upstream and part of OpenStack14:06
rascaEmilienM, yes, and this is why I'm raising the topic14:06
mariosrasca: thanks - perhaps consider lowering barrier to commit if there aren't enough reviewers yet (i mean maybe we say only one +214:06
weshayEmilienM, I think we're hoping to move it an upstream repo14:06
mariosrasca: and moving it toa  completely new repo isn't going to help with reviews unless i miss more of the context14:07
EmilienMwould it make sense to have it to extras again and give +2 to rasca on the HA bits?14:07
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weshayEmilienM, that's a valid option14:07
weshayimho14:08
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sshnaidmEmilienM, just automatic merge?14:08
EmilienMwat14:08
matbuEmilienM: this is something that happens also for upgrade stuff14:08
EmilienMis it something we could eventually test?14:08
trownthe problem was that rasca had to self merge a bunch of stuff essentially14:08
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matbuEmilienM: but it was improve a bit with new contributor like jistr14:08
trownbecause existing cores did not understand the feature well enough to do timely reviews14:09
trownsimilar problem with upgrades14:09
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rascain addition guys, this set of utils is meant to be usable also outside quickstart14:09
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rascaI'm thinking about someone who wants to test HA on its env, well with this he can14:10
EmilienMrasca: is there any validations bits?14:10
trownso giving rasca +2 on just the ha parts wont help much... we still need other people to look at it and do good reviews14:10
rascaEmilienM, what do you mean?14:10
EmilienMrasca: because we also have tripleo-validations, based on ansible14:10
EmilienMtrown: sure, what do you propose then?14:10
mariosEmilienM: while we're on the topic, matbu should definitely have +2 as well afaics i mean he has contributed lots to the oooq/extras and the upgrades work there /ci and that should also help?14:10
shardyrasca: FWIW I think there's a bunch of stuff in quickstart which should be more easily usable outside of the main quickstart flow14:10
shardyso in general making things decoupled so they can be reused by $whatever is a good thing IMO14:11
matbushardy: +114:11
weshayshardy, we're working on that14:11
trownmarios: not sure this is the best place to bring that up... but I have not seen many reviews14:11
rascashardy, this is exactly why I developed the repo like it is14:11
weshayjust in a proposal phase atm really14:11
rascaand more reviews are going to be merged in that sense14:11
trownmarios: and +2 is more about high quality reviews than submissions14:11
mariostrown: ack (yea that was the big thing for another person i had in mind) agree and i just brought it up as the option of giving +2 to alleviate the reviews came up for ooq14:12
EmilienM+1 with what trown said ^14:12
mariostrown: i mean as well (in mind as well, the reviews #)14:12
weshayshardy, myoung|bbl and I will be presenting something to uncouple roles to the group of folks in the prod chain14:12
shardyweshay: great, a mail to the list with some details would be awesome too :)14:13
weshayya14:13
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EmilienMI see a bunch of things that could be used by TripleO directly:14:14
EmilienMhttps://github.com/redhat-openstack/tripleo-quickstart-utils/tree/master/roles/instance-ha14:14
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EmilienMare they day 2 operations?14:14
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rascaEmilienM, yes they are14:14
rascaEmilienM, for example, as you may know, once you apply instance-ha you lose the ability to do upgrades14:15
EmilienMI'm wondering if we could create a repo with ansible tasks for managing tripleo on day 214:15
rascaEmilienM, this role makes you able to apply, then undo (if you need upgrade) and then redo14:15
EmilienMit wouldn't be HA focused (or maybe?)14:15
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rascaEmilienM, I'm focused on ha just because of my everyday job, but yes, a more general thing shuld fit14:16
EmilienMthe ansible tasks to manage upgrades are in THT though14:16
EmilienMif you say that you need to apply some ansible tasks during the upgrade, why not doing that in THT?14:16
EmilienMand some logic to whether or not run the playbooks when instance-ha is enabled14:16
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rascaEmilienM, you're opening a big window here14:17
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rascaEmilienM, on the stonith side for example, we already started to build something integrated in THT14:18
rascaEmilienM, but it is a wider topic IMHO14:18
EmilienMwell, it's a big topic yes14:18
EmilienMbut your bits overlap with https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/master/puppet/services/pacemaker.yaml#L148 for example14:18
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EmilienMif you say that some tasks needs to be executed during the upgrade process, I think these tasks can live here ^14:19
EmilienMinstead of creating a new repo14:19
rascaEmilienM, no I'm not saying that14:19
EmilienMif that's day 2 operations that are not upgrades, then OK we need to investigate a new repo eventually14:19
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rascaEmilienM, I just said that once you apply instance-ha you have no guarantee that the upgrade will end file, so you need to undo it first14:20
EmilienMright14:20
rascaEmilienM, but the instance-ha specific case is something we don't support14:20
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rascaand, correct me if I'm wrong, we'll never support14:20
rascabut someone can be interested into14:20
EmilienMthere are 3 use cases, right?14:20
EmilienMvalidate-ha is some sort of validation, right?14:20
rascayes14:21
rascawe can consider it "apart"14:21
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EmilienM"This role acts on an already deployed tripleo environment, testing all HA related functionalities of the installation."14:21
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rascaexactly14:21
EmilienMwhy can't we move these bits into tripleo-validations then?14:21
EmilienMwe have a git repo for that and good reviewers14:21
EmilienMrasca: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-validations14:22
florianfrasca: happy to review ;-)14:22
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EmilienMfor the stonith use case: is it a day 1 operation? (deployment)14:22
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EmilienMI see: https://github.com/redhat-openstack/tripleo-quickstart-utils/blob/master/roles/stonith-config/tasks/main.yml and to me it sounds like something you want to do at day one14:22
rascaEmilienM, I will take a look at the tripleo-validations project14:23
weshayrasca, I need to get in there too for some containers work, we can work together a bit14:23
rascaEmilienM, this have an explanation14:23
rascaEmilienM, we do support stonith, but just from ocata (and the process is, let me say... tricky)14:24
EmilienMok so instance-ha is not supported, validate-ha would be in tripleo-validations and stonith-config sounds like something that could live in THT/puppet14:24
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rascaEmilienM, since stonith is a dependency of instance-ha I just kept the things easier and wider (supported from kilo to pike) creating the stonith role14:24
EmilienMbut i thought we didn't support instance-ha14:25
EmilienMso if we manage to move validate-ha in tripleo-validations, can we trash the repo? or do you still need it?14:25
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EmilienMrasca: we just spent 25 min on $topic, let's continue offline...14:26
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rascaEmilienM, before trashing this repo you need to pass over my body :D or at least I need to be certain that all the things made there can be done with something else14:26
EmilienMI'll go to the next topic and give people time14:26
rascaEmilienM, sure, no problem at all14:27
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EmilienMrasca: let's take it offline, mailing-list. Please send a thread if not already done14:27
EmilienMand i'll reply with my proposal14:27
EmilienMso we have open discussion etc etc14:27
matburasca: don't forget to mention your past carreer of rugbyman to EmilienM before14:27
EmilienMmatbu: that's why I moved to Canada, so nobody can find me14:28
rascamatbu, past carreer?!?!?!??!?! I'm STILL a player14:28
EmilienMok next topic14:28
EmilienM#topic bugs14:28
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EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/pike-214:28
EmilienMdo we have outstanding bugs this week?14:28
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matbuEmilienM: hehe :) rasca sorry man, i thought you were too old ;))14:28
EmilienMI saw we have a bunch of CI alerts14:29
mariosEmilienM: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1690373 this is not pike 2 but it blocks newton ci14:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1690373 in tripleo "stable/newton gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-nonha-multinode-oooq broken" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Marios Andreou (marios-b)14:29
EmilienMmarios: yeah this one. I still need to look, maybe today14:29
mariosEmilienM: well it is targetted at pike 2 i meant it isn't related to Pike .. ack14:29
EmilienMmarios: do we have any clue before I start looking?14:29
EmilienMmarios: the target is about milesones14:29
EmilienMwe want this one closed by Pike-214:29
EmilienMit doens't mean the code is in master (mike)14:29
EmilienM(pike)14:29
matbui have 2 backports for a heat bug, idk if it's the right place14:29
mariosEmilienM: added some notes on the bug and bandini also looked. the case passed last on the 9th so is good to have that to compare to for eliminating the rrors you might see in logs14:30
shardyI reopened bug #1687908 as similar issues are still blocking upgrade CI14:30
openstackbug 1687908 in tripleo "Could not fetch contents for file:///usr/share/openstack-tripleo-heat-templates/extraconfig/tasks/post_puppet_pacemaker.yaml" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687908 - Assigned to Carlos Camacho (ccamacho)14:30
shardyI've got a patch up which I'm hoping will fix it14:30
shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/464667/14:30
EmilienMshardy: again? thanks for looking at it14:30
EmilienMmatbu: ping folks on #heat14:30
ccamachoyeahp same issue related with the paths but failing in another stage now14:31
shardymatbu: post them and ping me and zaneb, we can probably help with the backport reviews14:31
EmilienMsounds like critical things are mostly WIP. Is there any other bug to discuss this week?14:31
matbushardy: EmilienM ack14:31
EmilienM#action rasca to send ML about tripleo-quickstart-utils so we keep open discussion going14:32
EmilienM#topic projects releases or stable backports14:32
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EmilienMno update on my side about release / backports14:32
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EmilienManything before we move on?14:32
EmilienM#topic CI14:33
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EmilienMso like we said, a bunch of alerts now, folks are working on it for most of them but feel free to join the debug party.14:33
EmilienMadarazs, sshnaidm: any quickstart-related update?14:33
sshnaidmEmilienM, no, everything works afaik14:34
adarazsas far as I understand there's nothing critical directly with quickstart.14:34
EmilienMgood to know14:34
adarazsthere are some bigger problems with gate jobs, but they are not quickstart problems.14:34
EmilienMadarazs: any reference?14:34
adarazssure, sec, digging it up14:35
EmilienMjust making sure the problems are seen and someone looking at it14:35
sshnaidmhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/168019514:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1680195 in tripleo "Random ovb-ha ping test failures" [Critical,Triaged]14:35
EmilienMyeah this one is in our radar already14:35
adarazsyeah, that's the most critical14:35
EmilienMok14:35
EmilienMI'll spend time on it this week14:36
EmilienManything else before we move on?14:36
adarazshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1690132 -- this is newton only but still not good.14:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1690132 in tripleo "Newton HA failure: unable to push cib, cib_apply_diff failed" [Critical,Triaged]14:36
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EmilienMok also in alert ^ so in our radar too14:36
EmilienMok moving on14:36
adarazsthat's it.14:36
EmilienMadarazs: thx14:36
EmilienM#topic specs14:37
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:37
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EmilienMI see 2 updates in our specs since last meeting14:37
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/420878 tempest/mail spec14:37
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/462900 Best practices for logging of containerized services14:38
EmilienMI guess they are ready for review14:38
EmilienManything to discuss about specs this week?14:38
EmilienMokidoki14:39
EmilienM#topic open discussion14:39
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EmilienMlast week, shardy flaper87 and I did a presentation about TripleO roadmap14:39
EmilienM#link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1knOesCs3HTqKvIl9iUZciUtE006ff9I3zhxCtbLZz4c14:39
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EmilienMread it share it tweet it, and also any feedback is welcome14:40
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EmilienMI'll probably share it to the ML to make sure folks can see this info14:40
EmilienM#action EmilienM to share tripleo project updates slides to ML14:40
shardyWe also did an onboarding session, slides are here (inc a link to github):14:40
shardy#link http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/openstack-summit-tripleo-project.html14:40
EmilienMoh we can probably do one email with both links14:41
mariosEmilienM: https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/project-update-triple014:41
EmilienMshardy: do you mind if I steal it?14:41
EmilienMmarios: oh I hate videos14:41
mariosEmilienM: sure but it may be useful for others :)14:41
EmilienMI hate my accent14:41
EmilienManyway14:41
EmilienMis there anything else for this week?14:41
shardyEmilienM: sure, although I already linked the slides for the onboarding, there was a thread asking for them for all projects last week14:41
EmilienMshardy: ok great14:41
EmilienMhave a great and happy week folks14:42
EmilienM#endmeeting14:42
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tmorin#startmeeting bgpvpn15:02
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 15:02:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:02
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tmorinhi everyone o/15:02
pcarverHi15:02
tmorinhi paul15:02
tmorinlet's see who is around...15:03
tmorinperhaps matrohon ? bobmel ? doude ?15:03
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tmorinok...15:06
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tmorinpcarver, it's only the two of us15:07
tmorin#topic rally15:07
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tmorinjust a notice to inform that the work on rally is being pursued15:07
tmorin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rally+message:bgpvpn15:09
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tmorinsorry pcarver15:30
tmorinwas interrupted15:30
tmorin#topic API evolution15:30
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tmorinI would like to focus on adding static routes and port association to the API in the next weeks15:30
tmorinhopefully to land as much as we can for Pike15:31
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tmorinpcarver, I was wondering if you would commit to help progress that15:31
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tmorin(I'm thinking reviews and perhaps doing parts of the API server, client or DB work)15:32
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tmorinfeel free to answer when you have the time15:32
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pcarvertmorin: I don't think I can personally commit to the development work just due to the fact that I'm probably not going to be able to dedicate enough time to it to keep it moving. I will see if I can pull in an available developer, especially in conjunction with the OpenContrail driver.15:37
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pcarverI'm definitely trying to review as much as I can, but even just reviews are piling up in my inbox and not getting as much time as they deserve15:39
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tmorinok15:47
tmorinsome help for reviews and helping implementation in any driver will be very useful15:47
pcarverI'd like to see about moving the Contrail driver into the new networking-opencontrail repo and then adding new API functionality to that.15:51
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pcarverI probably can't get any resources to help with BaGPipe, but might be able to get someone to work on the Contrail driver and maybe the ODL driver.15:52
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jugglerhello16:02
ArchiFleKsHi16:03
kevinzHi16:03
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strigazitmorin end meeting?16:03
tmorinwops16:03
tmorinsorry16:03
tmorin#endmeeting16:03
jugglerhi strigazi :)16:03
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"16:03
openstackMeeting ended Tue May 16 16:03:27 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:03
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2017/bgpvpn.2017-05-16-15.02.html16:03
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strigazihi juggler16:03
kevinzkevinz16:04
adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:04
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 16:04:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'containers'16:04
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2017-05-16_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:04
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:04
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SamYapleo/16:04
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:04
jugglerPerry Rivera16:04
strigaziSpyros Trigazis16:04
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:04
kevinzkevinz16:04
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ArchiFleKsKevin Lefevre16:05
adrian_ottohello SamYaple juggler strigazi tonanhngo kevinz and ArchiFleKs16:05
adrian_ottolet's begin16:05
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:06
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adrian_otto1) The OpenStack summit was in Boston last week.16:06
adrian_ottoI know that strigazi and tonanhngo attended. Are there any other participants present who joined us?16:06
ArchiFleKsI was here also16:06
SamYaplei was there16:07
adrian_ottoIt was great to see you both! Thanks for joining.16:07
adrian_otto2) Reminder that we switched from a weeks meeting cadence to alternating weeks.16:08
adrian_ottoIf you ever want to know the meeting schedule, it is published here:16:08
adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers Meeting Schedule16:08
adrian_ottoAny other announcements from team members?16:08
strigaziI'm getting16:09
strigaziThe k8s and swarm driver for newton up to date16:09
adrian_ottoit also might be worth mentioning that we reached a consensus to streamline our Cluster Upgrades feature.16:09
strigaziFor security reasons we need to have secure images and up to date kernels16:10
adrian_ottoso rather than being a major refactor, we will add cluster upgrades as a feature without redesigning the API at the same time.16:10
adrian_ottothanks strigazi for the image update work16:10
juggler+116:11
strigaziThat means we'll have a new api endpoint for the api but the rest of the API won't be affected, minor changes only16:11
adrian_ottoI'm very happy with this approach. We can discuss it further in Open Discussion if there are concerns to address.16:12
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:12
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adrian_ottoI believe this is a (none) but I am taking a quick look to verify that.16:12
adrian_otto1) ACTION: adrian_otto to update team meeting schedule to */2 weeks (juggler, 16:21:41)16:12
adrian_ottoStatus: Complete16:13
adrian_otto#topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:13
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adrian_ottoIn this section any team member may raise a work item for discussion16:13
adrian_ottoor request status16:13
adrian_ottoif we don't have any inquiries in a minute or two, we can enter Open Discussion16:14
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kevinzi HAVE one16:14
kevinzHello16:15
adrian_ottoproceed kevinz16:15
kevinzI have get a BP for kuryr-kubernetes integrate with magnum16:15
kevinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/integrate-kuryr-kubernetes16:15
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kevinzBut not sure whether this bp can be implemented, do we ready to integrate kuryr service?16:16
adrian_ottokevinz do you think you can implement this in the Pike timeframe?16:16
strigazikevinz The only problem is how to add trunk ports with heat16:16
adrian_ottoThe problem with this integration is that it opens a fundamental security hole16:17
adrian_ottoso it would need to be off by default with a sensible warning in the documentation about what the security risk is to enabling it16:17
kevinzYeah the heat trunk port patch has not merged16:17
strigazithe ptl of kuryr has example but I'm not sure how this can be easily added to magnum16:17
strigazilet fetch the example for you16:17
adrian_ottobasically anyone with access to the hosts that run this code has full access to your Neutron API16:17
kevinzOK16:17
strigazilet me fetch the example for you16:17
strigazikevinz https://github.com/danielmellado/kuryr_heat16:18
tonanhngoIt's probably worth proceeding in parallel while the issues are sorted out16:18
kevinzadrian_otto: In pike I think it's hard to finish it. since heat is not ready16:18
strigaziadrian_otto We can leverage the trust users and highlight the security implications16:18
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kevinzstrigazi: Thanks16:18
adrian_ottoso my suggestion is to go ahead and implement it labeled EXPERIMENTAL with a security disclaimer, and then once we have that as a working feature (default off), we can add the required work to secure it.16:19
strigaziIn some use cases might not be a problem.16:19
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adrian_ottoagreed16:19
strigaziFlannel will be for sure the default16:19
tonanhngoRight, it depends on the use case16:19
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strigaziFor CERN, for example we don't have a use case at the moment but we may have in the future16:20
adrian_ottokevinz based on your remarks above, it seems you are asking me not to target the blueprint for Pike. Do you think it's *possible* an initial version could be completed in Pike?16:21
strigazikevinz You plan to run kuryr in containers I guess right?16:21
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kevinzadrian_otto: Yeah I think it is a "possible" :-)16:21
adrian_ottook, so I'll target it for Pike, and if we need to change it later we can.16:22
kevinzstrigazi: Yeah, I think it's a good choice16:22
kevinzadrian_otto: thx16:22
strigazikevinz if you need any help, testing etc Don't hesitate to ping me16:22
adrian_otto#action adrian_otto to target https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/integrate-kuryr-kubernetes for Pike, with a comment that it's okay for this to slip to Queens if needed.16:23
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ArchiFleKskevinz: I'd be happy to help16:23
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kevinzstrigazi: ArchiFleKs: That's great! Thanks a lot16:24
adrian_ottocool, this is a great feature that I'd love to include in Pike.16:24
strigazikevinz If you will build new container images have a look here, this is a way to make small python based images https://github.com/strigazi/heat-container-agent/blob/alpine-3.5/Dockerfile16:24
adrian_ottogood idea strigazi16:24
kevinzCool16:25
strigaziI have something to propose that I don't like.16:26
strigaziIt is for the CI16:26
jugglergo for it strigazi16:26
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strigaziI personally don't trust very much the convergence of our functional tests and the rate of "random" failures is very high16:27
strigaziSo, I end up testing many things manually anyway.16:27
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strigaziI think we can reduce some of the *voting* tests that create pods or containers16:27
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strigazimake them non-voting16:28
strigaziAnd focus more on the API16:28
strigaziBe sure that the magnum service don't break16:28
strigaziBe sure that the magnum service doesn't break16:28
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tonanhngoIs there way to automate the separate manual tests?16:28
juggleror semi-automate them16:29
tonanhngoThen we can run them ourselves16:29
strigaziI'm working in adding 3rd party CIs but I can't wait.16:29
strigaziWe can.16:29
strigaziOne way is ansible16:29
ArchiFleKsstrigazi: Is there a way to run only some test elsewhere? I know I'm testing a lot manually also but I think we could provide a limited number of concurrent instances at osones whit nested kvm for the CI16:29
strigaziHave a playbook that creates devstack and runs the tests16:30
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ArchiFleKsBut it will be be very limited, but at least it will be fast and limit failure due to timeout16:30
strigaziOr a heat template for clouds with heat running16:30
strigaziArchiFleKs I think that can be comlementary to our semi manual/automatic tests.16:31
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strigazi*complementary16:31
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ArchiFleKsstrigazi: what about the centos ci?16:32
strigaziI'm still waiting16:32
strigaziWaiting for CoreOS to reply as well16:32
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:32
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strigaziSo, what do you think about making some tests non-voting?16:33
adrian_ottostrigazi which ones?16:33
strigaziFor k8s and swarm. We will check that the stack is created and this test will be voting. But not try to ping the API server16:34
strigazithe same for swarm16:34
adrian_ottoin all honesty, I'm reluctant to do that.16:35
strigaziFor k8s, specifically even if our tests run successfully that doesn't mean anything16:35
adrian_ottoI'm worried that we will merge code with regressions that cause the COEs not to work16:35
adrian_ottowell, suppose we break etcd, for example16:36
strigaziThat mean that API says ok. We don't test if pods can be created or test more complicated features like service accounts16:36
adrian_ottothe func test for the affected driver should alert us to that16:36
strigaziThe tests will still run16:36
strigazibut non voting16:37
adrian_ottobut they fail most of the time now, I think16:37
adrian_ottoso we will become used to seeing those tests fail.16:37
strigazithey fail on RAX, bluebox and infracloud16:37
adrian_ottoand probably will begin ignoring them completely because they do not vote16:37
strigazithe work on OSIC and OCH16:37
strigaziOCH16:37
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strigaziOVH16:37
adrian_ottoyep16:37
adrian_ottodoes infra know this, and is there anything we can do to address the root cause of those failures?16:38
strigaziadrian_otto I wold them multiple times16:38
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adrian_ottoI'm not satisfied that marking the tests as nonvoting actually solves this.16:38
strigaziadrian_otto I told them multiple times16:38
strigaziI asked for nested virtualization and they don't provide it16:39
strigaziThey have it documented16:39
strigazijust a sec16:39
strigazihttps://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/testing.html#known-differences-to-watch-out-for16:40
strigaziThey says that with nested, some tests crash. For us it is the other way round16:40
strigaziAlmost the other way round16:41
strigaziFYI, FOr k8s, we don't test etcd at the moment16:41
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strigaziSo reducing the k8s voting tests won't cost anything.16:42
strigaziteam?16:43
adrian_ottoI read the differences list.16:44
strigazi3rd bullet16:44
adrian_ottolong ago we did discuss setting up Nova in our devstack to use the libvirt LXC driver16:45
strigaziThe infra PTL told me that since clouds don't offer nested as an attribute the can't offer nodepools with that feature16:45
adrian_ottothat would work around this issue because no hypervisor virt would be required to run the tests16:45
tonanhngoIf we test these manually to verify they are not broken, it may be workable16:45
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ArchiFleKsadrian_otto: we'll have to test but I've been playing  with the nova lxd driver and running Docker inside can be painful and not reflect the behavior inside kvm instances16:46
strigazifedora-atomic doesn't like lxd, I have tried16:46
adrian_ottoArchiFleKs we can still test kvm instances on 3rd party CI per driver.16:47
strigaziAnd we can't make decisions based on a slow CI16:47
adrian_ottobut I'd like to find a way to get around the nested virt problems for devstack and the basic gate tests16:47
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strigaziI'm talking specificaly for 3 tests.16:48
adrian_ottoI heard some mumbling about "Elastic Recheck" at the summit16:49
strigaziTestKubernetesAPIs.test_pod_apis, TestKubernetesAPIs.test_replication_controller_apis and TestKubernetesAPIs.test_service_apis16:49
adrian_ottoWe discussed at one point about automatically ordering rechecks that fail on clouds we know to be problematic. I wonder if ElasticRecheck is for that.16:50
strigaziI meant 4, this one too test_start_stop_container_from_api16:50
strigaziadrian_otto I'll have a look16:50
adrian_ottostrigazi have we asked infra if there is a way for us to blacklist nodepools for clouds we know are incpompatible?16:51
adrian_ottoso that we don't even try to test on those?16:51
ArchiFleKsadrian_otto: from what I saw on openstack-ansible it can point you to bug you might have encountered during CI16:51
ArchiFleKsBut I've not look into deeper into it16:51
strigaziI will ask again16:51
adrian_ottoArchiFleKs if you can find a pointer to that, I'd love to take a look at it16:51
strigaziOn the ML this time16:51
ArchiFleKsadrian_otto: there is some here http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/16:52
ArchiFleKsI'll try to find out more16:52
adrian_ottobecause we are just wasting the Foundation's money/resources running tests that we know won't pass16:52
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strigaziadrian_otto I can make this point, they may like it16:53
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adrian_ottothanks strigazi16:53
adrian_ottookay, we are scheduled to end our team meeitng in just a few minutes.16:53
adrian_ottoany other remarks before we wrap up?16:53
ArchiFleKsI'll ask on openstack ansible but I wonder how there are doing there test but the must do some test that requires nested kvm and encountered similar issues16:54
jugglergood from this side16:54
ArchiFleKsI wanted to add something but I don't of we have time16:54
adrian_ottoThanks everyone for attending. Our next team meeting will be 2017-05-30 at 1600UTC here in #openstack-meeting-alt :-)16:54
adrian_otto#endmeeting16:54
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jugglerthx Adrian for presiding16:55
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adrian_ottojuggler you're welcome16:55
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felipemonteiro#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 17:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is felipemonteiro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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felipemonteiro#topic Roll Call17:00
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felipemonteiroEnding meeting early due to no one attending.17:11
felipemonteiro#endmeeting17:11
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 16 19:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'19:00
pvanecko/19:00
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catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-05-1619:01
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luzCo/19:03
catherineDluzC: hello19:04
catherineDmeeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-05-1619:04
luzChey, thanks19:04
catherineDalright I guess we can start and it will be a short meeting19:05
catherineD#topic Displaying RefStack documentation19:06
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catherineDluzC: could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458310/ ?19:06
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catherineDpvaneck: I guess https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460746/  need rebase?19:07
luzCI will19:08
pvaneckwell once the puppet lint fix merges, i can recheck19:08
catherineDluzC: Thank you!19:08
catherineDwhich one is that?19:08
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pvaneckhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/460787/19:11
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catherineDpvaneck: thanks .. maybe they will merge now that the summit is over19:12
catherineDmoving on ..19:13
catherineD#topic Update existing certified data with the verified flag19:14
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catherineDI am still reviewing that patch ...19:15
catherineDluzC: could you also review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/45251   ..19:16
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:17
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catherineD#link     Add scripts for running refstack-client in docker (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/  )19:18
catherineDFor this one I will contact Anne19:18
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mguineyo/19:19
mguineysorry for the lateness, all!19:19
catherineDthat bring us to the last topic19:19
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catherineDmguiney: np ...  mostly we need to review the pending patches in the pipeline19:20
* mguiney nods19:20
rockygme too!19:20
luzC+119:20
catherineDwe all have a lot  to catch up after the summit19:20
catherineD#topic Open discussion19:21
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catherineDany other topic to discuss today?19:22
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rockygdoesn't seem like it...19:23
catherineDif not I guess we can end the meeting early today ...19:23
catherineDthank you all ...bye19:23
rockygYay!19:23
catherineD#endmeeting19:24
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openstackMeeting ended Tue May 16 19:24:06 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:24
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-05-16-19.00.html19:24
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-05-16-19.00.txt19:24
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-05-16-19.00.log.html19:24
mguineythank you! have a nice day, all!~19:25
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