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| cdent | edleafe: you back from pycon or you need someone else on this gig? | 14:01 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 22 14:01:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:02 |
| cdent | jaypipes, bauzas anyone else, shall we do this, or is there no need today? | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | sorry, was emailng ;) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | well | 14:02 |
| bauzas | good question | 14:02 |
| bauzas | edleafe is not there | 14:02 |
| bauzas | so I wonder if we really need it | 14:03 |
| diga | o/ | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | cdent: spent this morning getting all my scheduler-related patches in order (other then the nested resource providers stuff). | 14:03 |
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| cdent | #action everyone review all of jaypipes' updated stuff | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | just one thing we discussed last week was around letting people know what we discussed during Summit | 14:03 |
| bauzas | and we postponed it | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: so reviews on those series (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/shared-resources-pike) and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-provider-traits) would be appreciated. | 14:03 |
| bauzas | so, not sure we would really need that given mriedem's emails | 14:03 |
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| * alex_xu reads some recap email, that is helpful | 14:04 | |
| cdent | #link shared rps https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/shared-resources-pike | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: indeed. I'm reading a bunch of those emails todya... | 14:04 |
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| cdent | #link last bits of traits https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/resource-provider-traits | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: :) | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | alex_xu: now that the GFWoC is not blocking me from emailing people ;) | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | hah | 14:05 |
| cdent | bauzas: I agree that mriedem's email provided good coverage | 14:05 |
| cdent | bauzas: you reported in the nova channel that your stuff is ready for review, correct? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | yup, until the last one about the conductor change | 14:06 |
| cdent | #link claims in * https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/placement-claims | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I just discovered a bug with ChanceScheduler | 14:06 |
| cdent | as ya do | 14:06 |
| bauzas | so I provided a bugfix given it's needed for functionaltests | 14:06 |
| bauzas | cdent: series starts with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460177/9 | 14:07 |
| cdent | #link fixing chance scheduler: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466725 | 14:07 |
| bauzas | as we have an alternative series possibly confusing for reviews | 14:07 |
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| cdent | #link main series of claims starts at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460177/ | 14:07 |
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| cdent | so other than doing a bunch of reviewing, anyone have anything else? | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I have a question for continuing the series | 14:09 |
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| cdent | I'll say that there are a fair few changes in last week's rp update email message that are not in the mainline of stuff (bug fixes etc) that could do with some review to get them moved along | 14:09 |
| bauzas | now that we agreed on passing the alternative hosts to the compute node for rescheduling needs, should we pass the ReqSpec object to compute node ? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I tend to think so | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | because it would cleanup the compute RPC interface | 14:09 |
| bauzas | but it would require a bit more of work | 14:10 |
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| * alex_xu and lei-zh plans to restore the spec https://review.openstack.org/351063, and plan some PoC | 14:10 | |
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| cdent | bauzas: i thought we decided we'd avoid changing the compute rpc interface? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | cdent: for the spec, yes | 14:11 |
| cdent | #link request standardized capabilities spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460177/ | 14:12 |
| cdent | #undo | 14:12 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460177/ | 14:12 |
| bauzas | cdent: now that we discussed at the Forum and operators agreed on using alternative hosts, then it would mean that we would need to persist the alternatives somewhere instead of passing them thru RPC | 14:12 |
| cdent | #link request standardizd capabilities spec to be restarted: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351063/ | 14:12 |
| bauzas | an alternative approach would be to store the alternatives in the Spec object (and persist those) so that a reschedule would lookup those by getting the former Spec | 14:13 |
| bauzas | that wouldn't require any RPC change | 14:13 |
| cdent | which services need to know about the alternatives? | 14:15 |
| cdent | i thought it was just the conductor? | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | yup, agreed | 14:18 |
| bauzas | okay, so, let's see what other think about persisting the alternatives by the conductor so reschedules within the conductor will lookup those | 14:18 |
| cdent | when you say persisted, are you meaning "written to disk so some other process might be able to pick them up later"? | 14:19 |
| cdent | if so, let's not do that, if possible | 14:19 |
| bauzas | cdent: the problem is that we have distributed conductors | 14:20 |
| cdent | i know | 14:20 |
| cdent | but we also have a shared data store | 14:20 |
| bauzas | cdent: so persisting in memory would mean that if we reschedule to another conductor, it doesn't know the former Spec | 14:20 |
| cdent | I think it may be better to avoid data duplication at the cost of a slight loss of performance. | 14:21 |
| bauzas | cdent: which is ? | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | cdent: sorry for my ignorance | 14:21 |
| bauzas | when I said "persisted", I meant written in DB | 14:21 |
| bauzas | but I'm open to ideas | 14:21 |
| cdent | correct, but we can already "calculate" that information from the data in placement | 14:22 |
| cdent | persisting placement's decisions in the conductor's view of the db is an early optimization (to me) | 14:22 |
| bauzas | cdent: unfortunately, it's not a placement information | 14:22 |
| cdent | you're talking about the clumping into cell's, right? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: because placement returns all acceptable nodes, and then we pick only a few of them and we sort them | 14:23 |
| bauzas | nope, about the fact we pass alternative hosts to the conductor based on filtering/weighting feedback | 14:23 |
| bauzas | for placement, all hosts are equal | 14:23 |
| cdent | right, but what I'm getting at is that that filtering/weighing (and the additional cell clumping) should be treated as if it is fast | 14:24 |
| cdent | if it is not, we should fix that, not come up with additional architectural complexity to compensate for it | 14:24 |
| bauzas | cdent: filtering/weighting is fast, yes | 14:25 |
| cdent | or, if we do need architectural complexity, we should just leapfrog to having a real global shared cache | 14:25 |
| bauzas | cdent: and later will be something done by conductor hopefully | 14:25 |
| cdent | If we reschedule to another conductor, I really don't see that much of a problem with re-creating the result set that it needs | 14:26 |
| cdent | or we should at least write that first, and then tune it up later | 14:27 |
| bauzas | cdent: meaning calling again the scheduler to get the new list of alternatives ? | 14:27 |
| cdent | yes | 14:27 |
| bauzas | maybe | 14:27 |
| bauzas | I see your point | 14:27 |
| bauzas | as the claim is done by the conductor, I'm fine with both possibilities | 14:27 |
| bauzas | but keep in mind that cell-local conductors can't upcall scheduler | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | agree with cdent on this. | 14:28 |
| bauzas | which is all the crux of the problem | 14:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreeing on calling again the scheduler ? that can't work for the reason I just said :( | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | mid-term, I see filters and weighers as part of the conductor, so it's fine | 14:30 |
| cdent | under what circumstances does a reschedule go to a different conductor? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | cdent: in a cells v2 world | 14:30 |
| bauzas | cdent: schedule_and_build_instances() is a super-conductor method | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | cdent: while build_instances() is just purely local | 14:31 |
| cdent | yes, I know that much | 14:31 |
| cdent | when would a build_instances happen in a same cell, but on a different conductor? | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | if you have 2 conductors, you can end up on a separate worker, right? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | unless I misunderstand your question | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I was agreeing on the premature optimization comment by cdent. | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | anyway, seems we're having a design discussion now and I didn't wanted to diverge that much | 14:33 |
| cdent | sub-conductor A has received a build_instances call that fails for some reason. Now at this point can it be a different conductor that tries to recover from that? If so, who/what is making that decision? | 14:33 |
| cdent | bauzas: Thanks for indulding me here, I'm trying to understand the process a bit more clearly because some of these details sometimes get left out. | 14:34 |
| cdent | (and anyway, we've got nothing else on the agenda) | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | cdent: schedule_and_build_instances() call the compute node thru cells V2 MQ switching | 14:34 |
| bauzas | cdent: if the compute node fails, it triggers a call to a conductor.build_instances() method which is not MQ switching to the global MQ | 14:34 |
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| cdent | ah, this is the detail that was unclear to me: I was assuming the compute node returned some form of results to the same conductor, but I guess that wouldn't make sense because we want the request and the response to be async | 14:36 |
| bauzas | cdent: I can point you to some code if you will, but let's do that offline | 14:36 |
| cdent | I think that's given me enough to do my own digging | 14:37 |
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| cdent | I just wanted to make sure I had a more clear view on the situation than I did before | 14:37 |
| bauzas | okay np | 14:37 |
| cdent | anybody got anything else or should we end the meeting? | 14:38 |
| bauzas | also, let's state that here, as said in the nova channel, I'll offline for Tuesday afternoon my time to Friday included | 14:38 |
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| cdent | everybody good? | 14:42 |
| cdent | jaypipes, alex_xu ? | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yup | 14:42 |
| cdent | cool | 14:42 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 22 14:42:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-05-22-14.01.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-05-22-14.01.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-05-22-14.01.log.html | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | cdent: thx for running the meeting. | 14:43 |
| cdent | pleasure was all mine | 14:43 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 22 15:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:01 |
| lujinluo | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi lujinluo | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | anyone else? | 15:02 |
| lujinluo | hi ihrachys , maybe we can wait for a while | 15:02 |
| manjeets | hi | 15:04 |
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| manjeets | sorry for being late | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | hi manjeets | 15:04 |
| lujinluo | hi manjeets | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | let's have a look at the action items from the last time we met | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev meeting | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | first was "ihrachys to respin metering OVO patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433125/" | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | the patch is merged, good | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | next was "tonytan4ever to respin LIKE patches" | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | the patch went through several iterations since then: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419152/ | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | we can discuss it later in OVO section | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | next was "manjeets to take over neutron-db-manage CLI command for data migration" | 15:09 |
| manjeets | I did few changes but i had one question how are we gonna populate migration scripts | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I saw manjeets respinned the patch, thanks for that. | 15:10 |
| manjeets | as victor had only one example script and using that | 15:10 |
| manjeets | are we gonna have a separate folder for all those scripts and call from there ? | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, well I thought that we will have a stevedore namespace where we would expose those 'scripts' | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | and then it's a matter of taste where we keep the code in-tree | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | a separate dir probably makes sense | 15:12 |
| manjeets | ohk, i'll work on that this week | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | but there should still be some level of indirection | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | for external projects to be able to provide their own scripts | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | next was "manjeets to try craft out cycles for SG adoption patch" | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | it's this patch: | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738 | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | oh I see it has two +2s | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | I gotta review and merge it after the meeting then ;) | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | thanks for respin | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | and that's all we had | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | for work items I mean | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | #topic OVO | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db+status:open | 15:14 |
| manjeets | may be we should start taking ownership of these patches and get it done | 15:15 |
| manjeets | as most of them have changed their jobs | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | yeah | 15:15 |
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| lujinluo | agree. now I am not sure which patches are unmaintained | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | let's walk through those that fell through cracks | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | Router: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307964/ | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I think lujinluo started looking at it correct? | 15:16 |
| lujinluo | yes | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | ok. what's missing besides the eager load thing? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466237/ | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | l3 agents as a synthetic field | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | is it something router-l3-agent-binding patch helps with? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377074/ | 15:18 |
| lujinluo | this is may due to my lack of knowledge, but i'm not sure how to load only l3 agents but not all agents.. | 15:18 |
| lujinluo | i have not checked that patch. will do after the meeting | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | and why is it needed that we expose agents through synthetic field exactly? | 15:19 |
| lujinluo | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/models/l3.py#L62-#L64 here and https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/l3_agentschedulers_db.py#L560 here | 15:20 |
| lujinluo | in my current integration patch, I can call through router.db_obj.l3_agents but i am not sure if it is a good idea to keep it calling from db | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | if it's exposed on db_obj.l3_agents you should be able to extract it from there on from_db_object. | 15:22 |
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| lujinluo | then we do not need to expose l3 agents as synthetic field? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | I think your links suggest that there is a use case to extract the list of agents from the router. so I now merely say that probably you should have all needed to implement such a field | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | let's continue in the review, I will have a look. I also take over the binding patch since Anindita left. | 15:26 |
| lujinluo | ok, thanks | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, is Toni still with us to follow up on LIKE patch? https://review.openstack.org/419152 | 15:27 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I am not sure about he was with rackspace | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I don't see him in this channel right now. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | let me ask him on gerrit. if not, I will take over, the patch is very close. | 15:28 |
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| manjeets | ok sounds good | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | the dvr mac address is also on Tony, I will try to understand if he is still with us, and we can discuss that next time. | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | next is allocation/endpoints from Anindita: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810/ | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | it's on WIP | 15:30 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, I may take over one or two, I have to attend a conference this week | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | oh that's because of update_objects missing. | 15:30 |
| manjeets | i'll comment on gerrit after reviewing | 15:30 |
| manjeets | for taking over | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, which one do you want to take? | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | allocations? | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452266/ that is on me right now. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | I will bubble up that one in my todo list | 15:32 |
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| manjeets | ohk I'll take allocations | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | as for endpoints, it may need to wait until the update_objects completion. | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, note it's not clear if update_objects is ok in the shape it is right now. | 15:33 |
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| manjeets | I'll spare some time to review these | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | ok good | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | next in the queue is dhcp agent network binding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/ | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | I believe Nakul is no longer | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | Kevin tried to respin it in the past | 15:34 |
| manjeets | yes he left | 15:34 |
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| manjeets | seems like patch is close just need to address few comments from kevin | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | the patch would really benefit from someone taking over it. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | yeah and those comments seem to be nit | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, so maybe you can look at it instead of endpoints? | 15:35 |
| manjeets | sure | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | nice | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | next is ip allocation pool: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396711 | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | this one seems to be a no-brainer really | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | very small, very simple | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | shame it's not in yet | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | anyone want to take it? maybe lujinluo ? | 15:37 |
| lujinluo | sure :) | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | thanks l | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | meh :) that was awkward. thanks lujinluo | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | the next was ip allocation: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396718/ | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | that one seemed fine, but has some functional test issue | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | should be an easy thing to land if we tackle the test | 15:40 |
| lujinluo | i can try to take care of it too | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | thanks!! | 15:40 |
| lujinluo | no problem! | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | do we want to go forward in the list or we have enough on our plates already? | 15:41 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets, lujinluo ? | 15:42 |
| manjeets | I'd say lets get these done first, if anyone wants to take ove, just comment over gerrit and go ahead with re spinning | 15:42 |
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| lujinluo | i think i have enough | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's focus on those, and we will revisit the list next time. | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | there are no new UpgradeImpact tagged patches. | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | I am also not aware of any ongoing work in gate for upgrade use cases. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | with that... | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | ...do we have anything else to discuss? | 15:44 |
| lujinluo | i have 1 question | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | shoot | 15:44 |
| lujinluo | my employer is pushing about this for a long time. are we still target OVO for Pike? | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | I think we have a good chance to complete most of the OVO work this cycle. I should have some more time, again, to work on it. | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, that being said, who's the employer, and which use cases do they have in mind? | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | are we talking more about online-upgrades as the real thing they are interested in? because OVO is just code restructuring/framework thing. | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | they are interrelated but not the same | 15:47 |
| lujinluo | i am employed by fujitsu. i do not think my manager has any specific use cases for OVO yet, but he purely wants to see it land asap | 15:47 |
| lujinluo | i also explained that online-upgrades do not really require OVO | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | I see. this work is definitely on the high priority radar for Pike. PTL is supportive and even said he will have some cycles to push it forward which is promising. | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | does it answer the question? | 15:49 |
| lujinluo | ok, i will try to explain this to him too, thanks | 15:49 |
| lujinluo | sure, it does | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:49 |
| lujinluo | sorry, i have one more to manjeets | 15:49 |
| manjeets | sure | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | shoot again ;) | 15:49 |
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| lujinluo | regarding online data migration, i have a patch under reviewing that may be used as another script migration example. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288271/ i hope so | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | mmm, thanks for pointing it out. I need to have a look at how it will play with rolling upgrades. it seems very similar to multiple port bindings case in terms of database evolution. | 15:51 |
| lujinluo | ihrachys, yes, please, this is why I link it here | 15:52 |
| manjeets | i'll review that | 15:52 |
| lujinluo | and that's all from me ;) | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | great. you seem busy with different things. :) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | I bet you are also good at juggling :) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:54 |
| lujinluo | ;) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | if nothing else, I end the meeting in 3 | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | 2 | 15:54 |
| manjeets | 1 | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | 1 | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | boom! | 15:55 |
| lujinluo | 0 | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 15:55 |
| manjeets | thanks !! | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | -1 | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| lujinluo | thank you! | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 22 15:55:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-05-22-15.01.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-05-22-15.01.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-05-22-15.01.log.html | 15:55 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 22 21:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | #chair shamail | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: leong shamail | 21:00 |
| leong | #topic Rollcall | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rollcall (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:01 | |
| leong | hi welcome to PWG meeting :) | 21:01 |
| leong | roll calling.... | 21:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:01 |
| leong | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 21:02 |
| leong | today agenda can be found at the above link | 21:02 |
| leong | before we start.. anybody has any agenda item to add? | 21:02 |
| leong | let's get going... | 21:03 |
| leong | #topic Boston Forum/Summit Recap | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Forum/Summit Recap (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:03 | |
| leong | i set this topic so that the team can do a quick recap from Boston Forum/Summit | 21:04 |
| jamemcc | On March 14 we were going to talk about Feature Tracker status - not sure if we have the right people - but if so - lets cover that | 21:04 |
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| leong | jamemcc? March 14? | 21:05 |
| jamemcc | At our agenda link - just scroll down to "CANCELLED March 14th..." | 21:05 |
| leong | jamemcc: that was the regional meeting | 21:06 |
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| leong | i recalled that was about writing the feature tracker json for baremetal user story | 21:06 |
| jamemcc | OK, if not appropriate but I think there seems to be a lot of confusion on why the various Feature Tracker stories are not implemented and wanted to get status or issue out on that. | 21:07 |
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| leong | on the Summit/Forum, anyone has any feedback? | 21:09 |
| rockyg | Actually, good point. I think we need to list the barriers for each of the features. I think that would help in figuring out what is blocking them. | 21:09 |
| shamail | I think the forum went well and we had a good mix of participants in each session. Lots of dialogue on how to more closely collaborate between users and developers. On the flipside, there were a lot of team including this one that saw a decline in active contributors. | 21:09 |
| jamemcc | I think we dont' ahve the right people - I'll try to start in mail | 21:09 |
| rockyg | Thanks, jamemcc | 21:09 |
| rockyg | Yes, this group seems to be losing participants quickly. | 21:09 |
| shamail | Jamemcc: Adam wants to create a tracker for HA VMs. I'll forward his email to us again. | 21:10 |
| leong | how should we deal with the decline in PWG active contributors? | 21:11 |
| shamail | rockyg: yes, even BoF only had like 8 people | 21:11 |
| rockyg | I think it might be because the roadmap is running smoothly, mostly and the user stories are not moving well. So, the view is the PWG is not getting stuff done because people don't attribute the roadmp to us any more. | 21:11 |
| leong | we have tried presented the challenges to Board, and also seek support from Board companies | 21:11 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:12 |
| leong | rockyg: +1 | 21:12 |
| rockyg | I have an idea, but first I have to present it to myh management and see if they will give me the time to do it. I am going to ask them to put me 80% on PWG only for a cycle. | 21:13 |
| leong | it seems to be lots of challenges in "gettting stuff done" | 21:13 |
| shamail | I don't know how to solve this but we either need new members or a change in scope | 21:13 |
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| rockyg | I think we had the manpower/time to get the roadmap rolling and now it takes less. We need to do the same to jumpstart the development proposals | 21:13 |
| leong | Anni and I are going to have a talk at OpenStack China Day about Product WG, that "might" help to get some new members... | 21:14 |
| leong | from the Dev Proposals, we need to collaborate with other WG such as LCOO, Scientific, Public Cloud | 21:14 |
| rockyg | That's why I'm asking for 80% time. So I can do some of that research/chasing bits/etc to get some of the features to something acceptable to devs. | 21:14 |
| shamail | There were a lot of great action items for us coming out of the summit like making the roadmap bidirectional, helping teams prioritize | 21:14 |
| leong | we should get resoures/help from those WG | 21:15 |
| rockyg | leong, ++ but I think they are mostly in the same boat as us. | 21:15 |
| leong | i think we need to shift from a focus to "driving user story" to "providing a platform for WG so that WG themselves can drive the user story" | 21:16 |
| leong | also alignment with the UC "unanswered requirements" | 21:17 |
| shamail | We also discussed helping newer companies to OpenStack find the big rocks to work on | 21:17 |
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| shamail | leong:+1 | 21:17 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 21:18 |
| leong | so maybe the next action item for PWG can focus more around "collaborating with various WG based on the same PWG dev proposal platform"? | 21:18 |
| jamemcc | Agreed with "platform for the WG to drive their own user stories" but I also think that most - LCOO certainly may struggle to find the right ways to get together with the project tems and that Rocky's suggestion seems helpful. | 21:19 |
| shamail | Platform would include our team helping make the right connections at the project level | 21:20 |
| jamemcc | Great | 21:20 |
| leong | shamail: +1 | 21:20 |
| shamail | We would help with properly documenting ideas, getting a structured workflow, and integration into development workflow | 21:21 |
| leong | will be great if we can get the right people both from the project team and working groups to discuss on the Dev Proposal | 21:21 |
| leong | shamail: +1 | 21:21 |
| leong | would that change our overall mission statement or goal? | 21:22 |
| jamemcc | I have to admit I hadnt' thought to invite PWG to the Development proposal discussions - Can and will do that | 21:23 |
| shamail | I think it does slightly, we would no longer represent the needs of the users ourselves but help teams that do get their voices heard | 21:23 |
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| AndyU_ | Hi all. Sorry I'm late | 21:24 |
| jamemcc | FYI - possibly one on the LCOO Containerized OpenStack management on Wednesday. | 21:24 |
| shamail | Thanks jamemcc | 21:24 |
| leong | other than LCOO, that are also work that we can work with Public Cloud and Scientific WG | 21:25 |
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| jamemcc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445386/ | 21:26 |
| leong | and interestingly that some features discussed in various WG can potentially the same with commonatilities | 21:26 |
| leong | that can help "project team" to prioritize works that fit mulitple WG | 21:26 |
| AndyU_ | Ok, I think I'm getting caught up skimming the above. | 21:26 |
| AndyU_ | I think PWG can play a key role as an enabler of Dev proposals and similar efforts in general. | 21:27 |
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| AndyU_ | Certainly one is to be actively engaged in the Dev Proposal process as enablers, SME's , etc., like we already have discussed. | 21:28 |
| * leong looks like shamail was kicked out and rejoin :) | 21:28 | |
| shamail | :) | 21:28 |
| AndyU_ | But something that was a PWG muission initially (I heard at Summit) but not happening is very needed. More than 70% of all commits for Ocata were made by the 12 top contributing companies. | 21:29 |
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| leong | i think the very initial mission for PWG is to get involvement from Vendor Product Managers, but that was not happening over the past year | 21:30 |
| shamail | We had that, we lost it because we could not deliver on user stories | 21:30 |
| shamail | We should've gotten both product managers and engineering managers so decisions could be made | 21:31 |
| AndyU_ | All the working groups had a common there woven across about the problem of "unanswered requirements". The PWG can facilitate discussions with the big contributors to align around gap analysis, implementation plans for delivery | 21:31 |
| leong | however, i do think that we did deliver one user story which is the baremetal :) | 21:31 |
| shamail | Rolling upgrades too | 21:31 |
| AndyU_ | I don't think that the Product Managers fro Red Hat, Mirantis, etc. need to be PWG Members for the PWG to coordinate periodic meetings with them. | 21:32 |
| leong | Rolling upgrade can be debatable because it was exist/already-dicussed prior to PWG user story | 21:32 |
| shamail | True | 21:32 |
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| shamail | AndyU_: +1 | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Hello Product WG | 21:33 |
| leong | anyway, instead of sticking to initial mission that aim for Product Managers from vendors, i think we need to move forward with "who we have today" | 21:33 |
| AndyU_ | What's needed is to bring the right people together around the right issues and only perhaps a couple tuimes during each cycle (we'd have to figure that out). | 21:33 |
| shamail | Leong: Who we have/who we need | 21:34 |
| AndyU_ | Askingall those Product Managers to be PWG members is too much. But asking them to join periodic coordination meetings hosted by the PWG is not. And it would be very valuable. | 21:35 |
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| rockyg | AndyU_, ++ | 21:35 |
| shamail | Andyu_:agree, great idea  | 21:35 |
| leong | Andyu_: +1 coordination meetings | 21:36 |
| AndyU_ | Basically coordinating that connection between the work being done in working groups/teams (Sigs?) and Key development players like Product Managers for big contribs and Key leaders in impacted dev teams | 21:36 |
| shamail | So leong how is that for your forum recap? | 21:36 |
| leong | let's wrap up this agenda topic | 21:37 |
| leong | #info PWG value: properly documenting ideas, getting a structured workflow, and integration into development workflow | 21:37 |
| AndyU_ | That would be invaluable because it's needed, no one is doing it and the PWG has all the legitimacy to do it where perhaps no other group does? | 21:37 |
| AndyU_ | Leong +11 :) | 21:37 |
| mrhillsman | sorry so late, i'm here | 21:37 |
| leong | #info PWG value: Periodic coordination meeting across WGs/Product Managers | 21:37 |
| AndyU_ | Yes. | 21:38 |
| leong | those are the two key items i can summarized from our discussion | 21:38 |
| shamail | It's OK mrhillsman , you just missed the fun part of the meeting | 21:38 |
| AndyU_ | PWG could also host/coordinate periodic syncs BETWEEN working groups as well. The need for that came out of the Forum session about avoiding wg redundancy | 21:38 |
| leong | AndyU_: +1 | 21:39 |
| leong | #info PWG value: coordinate/collaborate between WGs | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | other WG within user WG? | 21:39 |
| leong | WG can be within either UC or TC | 21:40 |
| AndyU_ | We could analize what's being worked on, proposed, etc and help to get the right people connected, help the working parties to be focused (advise on strategy) and in alignment with other stakeholders | 21:40 |
| leong | one of the key action is to get those WG aware about PWG workflow and value | 21:40 |
| AndyU_ | Leong, I agree. Doesn't matter where wg falls in UC vs TC | 21:40 |
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| AndyU_ | +1 to Dev Proposal workflow awareness | 21:41 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we should bring characterization of stories for UC WG to them. | 21:41 |
| AndyU_ | In the Forum session about the Dev proposal process, it turned oyut no one but Leong and I had ever even heard of it ;) | 21:41 |
| leong | ok.. let's think of some action plan for the 3 value mention earlier | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | As well as show that reqs we got from forum are perculating to stories | 21:42 |
| leong | i will summary and email to ML to get inputs | 21:42 |
| leong | let's move on to the next agenda topic | 21:42 |
| leong | #topic Post-forum Report | 21:43 |
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| leong | i have run the hashtag program and generated the result, and submit a patch to upload those result to PWG repo | 21:43 |
| leong | #link Hashtag results: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466401/ | 21:44 |
| AndyU_ | Here's another (maybe you discussed it already). What about the PWG creating Dev proposals ourselves if we know of a key need not being addressed and take on actually CREATING (or trying :) ) a wg to carry it forward? | 21:44 |
| shamail | Thanks for doing it leong | 21:44 |
| leong | shamail: thanks for the +2 | 21:44 |
| leong | AndyU_: let's push that discussion to ML | 21:45 |
| AndyU_ | I still need to read it. Anything jumping out? | 21:45 |
| AndyU_ | got it | 21:45 |
| mrhillsman | i think one of the key things missing is maybe what rockyg was mentioning earlier; getting those who have developers to buy-in to the "process" | 21:45 |
| leong | given the hashtag result is ready, what and how do we want to deal with those data | 21:46 |
| AndyU_ | Does it seem they were pretty well used or not so much? | 21:46 |
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| rockyg | I looked over some of the results. Interesting. It also might be worthwhile to get the PTLs to add hashtags where they think they might be useful when they review their forum sessions to summarize on the mailing list. | 21:46 |
| shamail | leong: can you reply to John G's email aboutibg | 21:47 |
| rockyg | And maybe put a link to the mailing list thread in the etherpad? | 21:47 |
| AndyU_ | It almost seems like we'd have to look at Leong's data along side skimming the actual etherpads to get a sense for how well it's working and where we need to tune | 21:47 |
| shamail | Plans to email moderators | 21:47 |
| leong | shamail: yes i will reply to John G | 21:47 |
| leong | #action Leong to reply JohnG email on hashtag result | 21:47 |
| mrhillsman | a lot of the summaries are being only sent to openstack-dev | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | i forwarded quite a few to openstack-operators but pretty sure i missed some | 21:48 |
| leong | i think it is critically important to have the summaries sent to both dev + uc | 21:48 |
| mrhillsman | we should have a tag [bos-forum-summary] or something too no? | 21:49 |
| shamail | Thanks... we should analyze hash tags and also ask them what they think was the summary from their sessionand encourage them to email the mailing list | 21:49 |
| leong | one thing missing from the ##hashtag is project | 21:49 |
| AndyU_ | did we miss that? Darn. | 21:49 |
| shamail | Couldn't that be derived from the either pad name? | 21:50 |
| leong | i only see "nova" and "ironic" called out from the discussion | 21:50 |
| leong | mrhillsman: what do you mean tag [bos-forum-summary]? | 21:50 |
| rockyg | This is the first use. So, let's go easy. We can get better over iterations. | 21:50 |
| AndyU_ | We should have had ##project with some examples in our template. Will need to add it for next time if we left it out. | 21:50 |
| leong | rockgy: +1 | 21:51 |
| mrhillsman | leong: email summaries to multiple mailing lists | 21:51 |
| leong | ##project is included in the examples | 21:51 |
| rockyg | Another useful iteration would be to setup all the etherpads for all the sessions ahead of time so that naming is consistent and each has the template | 21:51 |
| AndyU_ | oh... well :) | 21:51 |
| mrhillsman | right now i have a number of summaries that are crowded in with other emails, suggesting a tag | 21:51 |
| rockyg | mrhillsman, ++ | 21:51 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1, maybe [Forum Summary] | 21:52 |
| mrhillsman | works :) | 21:52 |
| AndyU_ | Rocky +1 to creating etherpads in advance. I'd also add that we should build the wiki page referencing them too. but maybe just alphabetize them rather than including day/time since that changed a lot. | 21:52 |
| leong | I believe we can continue to propose using ##hashtag in next forum, or maybe PTG prior to forum | 21:53 |
| mrhillsman | how about a video on moderating a session at the forum? | 21:53 |
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| AndyU_ | +1 mrhillsmann | 21:53 |
| leong | can i suggest everyone in this team to look at the ##hashtag results and provide feedback in the ML or in next PWG meeting? | 21:54 |
| rockyg | There is actually a video created a while back. | 21:54 |
| mrhillsman | i wonder how useful/beneficial/cumbersome hashtag will be for PTG? | 21:54 |
| mrhillsman | rockyg: have link? | 21:54 |
| rockyg | I can find it. | 21:54 |
| mrhillsman | would love to check it out | 21:54 |
| AndyU_ | +1 mrhillsmann to both the summaries and video or some method of providing guidance on moderating. | 21:54 |
| leong | mrhillsman: can you take the action and follow up on the summaries and video/method? | 21:55 |
| mrhillsman | sure | 21:55 |
| leong | thanks! | 21:55 |
| shamail | I gotta go | 21:55 |
| leong | #action mrhillsman to follow up on the summaries and video/method of providing guidance on moderating | 21:55 |
| shamail | Take care everyone! | 21:56 |
| mrhillsman | l8r | 21:56 |
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| leong | the hashtag result is merged to the repo now | 21:56 |
| leong | #action all to review the ##hashtag result at https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/forum/201705-bos | 21:56 |
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| AndyU_ | to the earlier point. ##hashtag should be promoted for PTG too. The more the concept can be institutionalized the more effective it will become | 21:57 |
| AndyU_ | Meaning... I agree with mrhillsman | 21:57 |
| leong | agree | 21:57 |
| mrhillsman | does it make sense to comment in github leong? | 21:58 |
| leong | mrhillsman: i think it would be great to try out ##hashtag at PTG and also get feedback from Project Team | 21:58 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 21:59 |
| leong | mrhillsman: that's the one "hosted" place that i can think of to share the result in ".md" with hyperlink | 21:59 |
| leong | :) | 21:59 |
| mrhillsman | i'm ok with leaving github comments :) | 22:00 |
| leong | mrhillsman: it is 'tentatively' and we can move it somewhere if needed... :-) | 22:00 |
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| mrhillsman | cool | 22:00 |
| leong | and yes.. can commet :-) | 22:00 |
| leong | alright, i think we hit the hour | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 22:00 |
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| leong | thanks all for joining the meeting | 22:00 |
| leong | we shall meet again next week | 22:00 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 22 22:01:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-05-22-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-05-22-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-05-22-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| AndyU_ | bye all | 22:01 |
| mrhillsman | thanks everyone! l8r :) | 22:01 |
| * fungi braces for impending zuulishness | 22:02 | |
| rbergeron | lol | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | any other zuul folks around? | 22:03 |
| jlk | o/ | 22:03 |
| tristanC | o/ | 22:03 |
| clarkb | me | 22:03 |
| jeblair | mordred, pabelanger, SpamapS, Shrews: courtesy ping | 22:04 |
| rbergeron | mordred and i just finished 1.75 hours of meetings so he should be here soonishly i would expect if not already | 22:04 |
| pabelanger | ready now! | 22:04 |
| jeblair | a meeting chaser! | 22:04 |
| * Shrews is here, but concurrent with dinner | 22:04 | |
| rbergeron | :) | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 22 22:04:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| * mordred waves | 22:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:04 |
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| * jeblair searches pockets for agenda | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | ah here we are | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:04 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-05-01-22.05.html | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Announcements | 22:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:05 | |
| jeblair | I have been reliably informed that | 22:05 |
| jeblair | #info SpamapS has been added to Zuul and Nodepool core teams | 22:05 |
| mordred | \o/ | 22:05 |
| fungi | thanks for agreeing to pitch in on that! | 22:05 |
| * mordred hands SpamapS a fish he found laying on the ground | 22:05 | |
| * jlk claps | 22:05 | |
| tristanC | nice, congrats SpamapS! | 22:06 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: thanks for the reviews! and stuff! | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | Mmmm fish | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | Thanks for the code! | 22:06 |
| fungi | condolences seem more appropriate for core duties ;) | 22:06 |
| jeblair | fungi: you used your outside voice again | 22:06 |
| fungi | oops! | 22:07 |
| * rbergeron sends a nice package of stay-puft marshmallows as a honorarium | 22:07 | |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:07 | |
| SpamapS | I did roast marshmallows this weekend in zuul's honor | 22:07 |
| jeblair | pabelanger create new ppa under openstack-ci-core and add bubblewrap to it; copy existing source package from ansible bubblewrap ppa. | 22:07 |
| rbergeron | you were camping :) | 22:07 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: if you've shaken the summit off... what's the status of the bubblewrap ppa thingie? | 22:08 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: it is done | 22:08 |
| fungi | i think i ended up creating the ppa in the end due to silly lp permissions | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461849/ | 22:08 |
| jeblair | cool. one point for pabelanger and one for fungi then. | 22:08 |
| jeblair | two points from slytherin just cause. | 22:09 |
| fungi | minus one point for lp's permissions model | 22:09 |
| clarkb | ya project owners can only create them | 22:09 |
| clarkb | and the openstack-admins group owns it | 22:09 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I wasn't part of that | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: is that held up on the since-fixed sphinx thing? | 22:10 |
| jeblair | yeah, looks like pabelanger just rechecked it | 22:10 |
| pabelanger | ya, it should be green now | 22:10 |
| jeblair | #info bubblewrap testing can commence once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461849/ lands | 22:10 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, fungi: thanks! | 22:11 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Zuul test enablement (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:11 | |
| SpamapS | I took last week off from that to focus on py3k :) | 22:11 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: good choice, as it turns out | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | indeed, we're now py35 compatible :) | 22:12 |
| mordred | tobiash even has a v3 running in python3 now! | 22:12 |
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| SpamapS | *nice* | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | I tried to do the same for Bonny but we have some delta still for github | 22:12 |
| jesusaur | w00t, new pythons | 22:13 |
| jeblair | one of the next things i want to do is finish moving the cloner branch logic into the executor (along with adding some bits to the job language). that will move/obsolete most of the cloner tests (and the cloner itself, as it exists today). | 22:13 |
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| mordred | ++ | 22:13 |
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| SpamapS | on that topic, the tests left are a few hairy ones | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure how many tests the cloner accounts for in our deficit (is that 15 or just one? anyway...) | 22:13 |
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| jesusaur | jeblair: is that part of the effort to make the executors push git repos to the workers? | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | well we have skips for py3 now | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | so we really have two re-enablement efforts | 22:14 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: yep | 22:14 |
| mordred | SpamapS: hopefully the py3 skips are easy to pick off | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | "Fails on py3" tests in test_scheduler should be prioritized as first. | 22:14 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: (to be fair, we're doing that part now; so this is more "doing it right" :) | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | They were really confusing fails, not obvious at all. | 22:15 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ++ - there was a thing tobiash thought was a bug earlier, but was a config bug ... but it was of hte order of "confusing bug" | 22:15 |
| jeblair | also worth noting -- it *seems* something about the GC/lifecycle of git repo objects we were counting on in py2 has changed in py3, causing sporadic failures | 22:15 |
| jeblair | #link debugging python3 git repo gc issues: https://review.openstack.org/466810 | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | indeed, so we're not going to backslide on py3 but we still have the last mile to go | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | I'd very much appreciate some fresh eyes on those skipped tests. | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | Nodepool should also been python3 compat now too, just need a few more reviews | 22:17 |
| jeblair | Shrews brought up the suggestion of making the py3 tests nonvoting if we can't catch that one soon. i'd like to spend some more time trying to figure it out before we do that though. | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: I'll take a look :) | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | also have experimental dsvm jobs in progress | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | I'd say take a day or two to debug before we demote the tests. | 22:18 |
| mordred | SpamapS: my stack is still stupid long, but I just added looking with fresh eyes to my list | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | Since it's racey... we need data | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | but I guess non-voting would still provide data | 22:18 |
| clarkb | also worth noting that python3 garbage colelctor has had at least one nasty bug in the past | 22:19 |
| * Shrews cannot mordred.stack.pop() faster than all the mordred.stack.push()'s | 22:19 | |
| jeblair | (another option is that we disable the git repo gc check; however, it has always shown legit bugs in the past) | 22:19 |
| rbergeron | shrews: lol | 22:20 |
| jeblair | anything else? | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul sample jobs | 22:20 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger has been doing a lot of work here (some of which just merged) | 22:21 |
| mordred | \o/ | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | i think it's getting tricky to keep track of the bits that we expect to share and the bits that we don't with all of the jobs in the same repo | 22:22 |
| jeblair | i think we should go ahead and create the zuul-base-jobs and zuul-jobs repos, and move things we expect to share in there | 22:23 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:23 |
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| mordred | I think having them be future theoretical things is hard | 22:23 |
| jeblair | yep, i keep tripping over myself saying "well, this job when it's in the other repo will be like..." | 22:23 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:24 |
| jlk | more repos, more chances to test cross-repo testing! | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: is pushing up the repo creation requests on your plate? | 22:24 |
| pabelanger | currently no, but I can add it | 22:24 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: thanks! | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | #action pabelanger create zuul-base-jobs and zuul-jobs repos | 22:25 |
| jeblair | considering we're not sure we like the separate openstack-zuul-jobs and openstack-zuul-roles repos, let's just start with "-jobs" for now, and not create any more "-roles" atm. | 22:25 |
| jeblair | i think once that's done, and we have some basic structure set up, we should dust off the devstack ansiblification soon. we're going to be ready for that soon. | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | (probably shortly after i finish this "check out the right branch" stuff :) | 22:27 |
| jeblair | anything else on jobs? | 22:28 |
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| SpamapS | I don't remember why we split roles and jobs. Is that written down somewhere? | 22:28 |
| pabelanger | nothing on myside | 22:28 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: experimenting with how best to set up these sorts of repos? | 22:29 |
| rbergeron | because roles should hopefully be reusable in different jobs? | 22:30 |
| rbergeron | (maybe?) | 22:30 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: yeah... maybe you want the tox roles but no tox jobs? | 22:31 |
| mordred | I have a hunch there will be many repo-organization learning experiences over the next 6 months | 22:31 |
| jeblair | (though ponting at a zuul repo to get roles without jobs is also a thing we need to do for third-party ci) | 22:31 |
| jeblair | mordred: yep. | 22:32 |
| clarkb | the jobs are explicitly enabled per project though right? so just including the repo will get you the roles but not necessarily the jobs? | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | and even at this point, i don't think that we've learned much more than "it's annoying having them in two repos when you're starting out and keep re-orging the entire system". :) | 22:32 |
| * jlk would suggest not pre-emptively exploding the repo count | 22:32 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, but they are still *defined* as soon as zuul sees a .zuul.yaml | 22:33 |
| jeblair | so fundamentally the question addressed by two repos is "i want to use the zuul stdlib tox role, but not the zuul stdlib tox job definition. how do i do that?" | 22:33 |
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| pabelanger | ya, right now our base job points to openstack-zuul-roles, so today all jobs get the roles | 22:33 |
| rbergeron | i think the "experimenting" to figure otu what makes sense... makes sense. imo | 22:34 |
| rbergeron | :) | 22:34 |
| jeblair | (where the actor in my question is a zuul operator) | 22:34 |
| jeblair | right now, the only way is "split them into two repos". in the future, we will have that option and also "zuul operators can specify which configuration objects to load from which projects" | 22:34 |
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| jeblair | jlk: yeah, it's easier to add later than delete them | 22:35 |
| jlk | can jobs in one repo mask jobs in another? Is there a priority stack? | 22:35 |
| jeblair | jlk: they can not; job definitions with the same name in multiple repos is a configuration error | 22:35 |
| jlk | OIC | 22:35 |
| clarkb | which caused trouble when moving jobs around | 22:36 |
| * rbergeron would almost wonder if having a openstack-galaxy might be interesting but it may be early for that -- but i also think that if we want to leverage (or even enhance) the ansible ecosystem... following those patterns might be good / wise / sane | 22:36 | |
| jeblair | (thus, this is sort of important :) | 22:36 |
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| rbergeron | (or even if role -- even if it looks like a role -- needs a better type of terminology here, might be a thing) | 22:36 |
| jeblair | rbergeron: indeed, a lot of these are pretty specialized roles, and we occasionally run into confusion around that | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | let's move on so we don't starve other topics | 22:38 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Github | 22:38 |
| * mordred is hungry | 22:38 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Github (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:38 | |
| jeblair | (or our developers!) | 22:38 |
| mordred | oh - I reviewed your rework of the plugin interface - did I vote on it? | 22:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: yes! | 22:38 |
| mordred | yay! | 22:38 |
| mordred | I forget to click the button sometimes | 22:39 |
| jlk | I think we have enough votes for W+ | 22:39 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/466105 is the change in question | 22:39 |
| jlk | which will allow me to more easily rebase the rest of the stack on it. | 22:39 |
| jeblair | we paused the github branch review/merging process to do that | 22:39 |
| jlk | I have few obligations this week so I should be able to get the rebase done quickly and up for review again. | 22:40 |
| jeblair | it cleans up one of the larger areas which we knew was pretty gnarly. it's a smallish user-facing change as well as an api cleanup, so i asked a few other folks to give it a quick once-over | 22:40 |
| mordred | I have the gh follow up patch open in the browser for review | 22:40 |
| jeblair | things are starting to feel actually extensible like we have a real api now. almost. :) | 22:41 |
| rbergeron | jlk: huge kudos on that, btw -- /me sends you a candy bar or a bicycle or something exciting. virtual bicycle. that is. :) | 22:41 |
| mordred | ikr? | 22:41 |
| rbergeron | all the hugs | 22:41 |
| jlk | I'll settle for a round in London :D | 22:41 |
| rbergeron | jlk: i can do that. i will be expensing it but the love is all the same | 22:41 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Bubblewrap | 22:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status updates: Bubblewrap (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:42 | |
| jeblair | SpamapS: once pabelanger's change merges, are we completely unblocked on this? | 22:42 |
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| jlk | bubble wrap to bindep just merged | 22:42 |
| jeblair | ha! | 22:42 |
| jeblair | 22:42 < openstackgerrit> Merged openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: Add bubblewrap to bindep / test-setup.sh https://review.openstack.org/461849 | 22:42 |
| jeblair | openstackgerrit has comic timing | 22:43 |
| rbergeron | lol | 22:43 |
| fungi | nice | 22:43 |
| pabelanger | did we figure out the zuul.paths issue for bubblewrap? | 22:44 |
| * SpamapS +A'd | 22:44 | |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: what issue was that? | 22:44 |
| * SpamapS has been fighting ssh-agent for a bit | 22:44 | |
| jeblair | ah, ssh-agent, that's the next blocker i guess | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | pip install uses symlinks, which are outside bubblewrap for testing | 22:44 |
| jeblair | #link next step in bubblewrap https://review.openstack.org/462712 | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461881/ | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | pabelanger: oh that, no we didn't figure that out | 22:45 |
| * jlk read that as zuul.pants | 22:45 | |
| mordred | jlk: you NEVER want to get zuul.pants wrong | 22:45 |
| jeblair | #link other next step in bubblewrap https://review.openstack.org/461881 | 22:45 |
| jlk | mordred: that's what the belt and suspenders are for. | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | I think the two thoughts were 1) library/pypi for the shared bits, 2) just copy pasta into the actions | 22:45 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: thats due to pip install -e right? | 22:45 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: could just stop doing that | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | ya | 22:45 |
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| jeblair | i like copy pasta into actions | 22:46 |
| jeblair | there's no reason the action plugins actually need to *import zuul itself* | 22:46 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: +1 | 22:46 |
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| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:49 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | feels a little stalled | 22:50 |
| rbergeron | we did just come out of summit and all that crap. | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | True | 22:50 |
| * rbergeron uses her backspace key wisely with a more appropriate word | 22:50 | |
| SpamapS | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000792 is almost done | 22:50 |
| jeblair | it would be great if folks looking for a way to help would check that board | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | I forgot to mention it in the patches | 22:51 |
| jeblair | and if you identify an issue that needs to be worked on before we can start minimally using v3 in production, please add it to that list | 22:51 |
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| * SpamapS moves it to in progress | 22:51 | |
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| jeblair | we're pretty close, but there's still a good chunk to be done, and we need to stay focused | 22:52 |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 22:53 |
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| Shrews | mordred: pretty sure i know the answer, but has there been any movement on the gear-zk shim? | 22:53 |
| rbergeron | I haz a thing also | 22:53 |
| mordred | Shrews: nope - sorry | 22:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: so - 2 questions came up earlier today that it seemed we should have an answer for | 22:54 |
| tristanC | regarding static node support, is there a spec/change already? | 22:55 |
| jeblair | Shrews, mordred: if mordred finishes the shim, it'll still be useful for the transition, however, i'm fairly happy with the load testing nodepool is getting, and we will be able to ramp it up slowly. | 22:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: one is where to put tobiash's Dockerfile -- it seemed the thing people liked the most so far as "in another repo, such as zuul-docker or docker-zuul or something" | 22:55 |
| jeblair | tristanC: yes, see https://review.openstack.org/461509 (which i should add to tomorrows infra team meeting to get approved) | 22:55 |
| jeblair | tristanC: (spec yes, change no) | 22:55 |
| clarkb | fwiw, I think that adding a ton of extra repos makes it harder for people jumping in to discover/use tools like that which seem largely aimed at make quickstart quick and easy | 22:56 |
| tristanC | perfect, thanks! | 22:56 |
| jeblair | tristanC: tobiash was interested in potentially doing some work related to that; we should sync with him if you're also interested | 22:56 |
| clarkb | (can document, but no one reads the docs :P ) | 22:56 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, i feel like we're all probably on the same page about not wanting to mislead people in thinking that "docker", "vagrant", etc are the way to run zuul | 22:57 |
| jlk | clarkb: I agree, but it may be too early to dump a definitive docker file in the zuul repo. There are a lot of things to sort out around deploy/run zuul/nodepool | 22:57 |
| jeblair | so either in-repo in contrib/$file, or in another repo. | 22:57 |
| jeblair | see, jlk just said "definitive" :) | 22:57 |
| jeblair | which i think illustrates the problem | 22:57 |
| clarkb | I'm not sure why it would be definitive... especially if its in eg contrib/docker | 22:57 |
| tristanC | and regarding a zuul dashboard, are people interested to define the rest api? | 22:57 |
| mordred | yah. I can see a day in the future where we may want to provide a docker image for people - but I don't think we're there yet | 22:57 |
| jlk | contrib/ makes that somewhat clear | 22:58 |
| mordred | contrib does not bother me at all | 22:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah if/when that happens, easy to promote it up. | 22:58 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:58 |
| jlk | I _do_ hope we get to the point (soon) where we can document Docker/k8s as a way to deploy and run Zuul in production. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | i can live with contrib/ but i'd like to know if we have some folks willing to approve patches to that | 22:58 |
| jeblair | because i will not be | 22:58 |
| rbergeron | :) | 22:58 |
| jlk | I'll be reviewing them | 22:59 |
| * rbergeron will throw in before the hour is up -- | 22:59 | |
| Shrews | i feel any deploy thing should be separate from the thing being deployed | 22:59 |
| rbergeron | so: I have been utter crap on the zuul-updates mail lately -- between travel and boss having emergency surgery crap and filling on for everything on both fronts, life sucked :D -- but i would like to get on that train again, so I will chat with ppl tomorrow in channel about coallating the last... 1.5 months of that, or so. so heads up that i will beep tomorrow. :) | 22:59 |
| jlk | I left numerous commentary in the existing changes. | 22:59 |
| jeblair | (on account of i can't review them) | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | Shrews: +1 | 22:59 |
| * rbergeron apologizes for sucking | 22:59 | |
| jeblair | rbergeron: a new update would be great, thank you! | 22:59 |
| mordred | the other thing is tristanC's dashboard patch - but I think we're out of meeting time to dig in to it ... I can try to send an email to the mailing-list with thoughts I had in my brain for folks | 22:59 |
| jlk | shoot I really need to get on that list | 23:00 |
| jeblair | mordred, tristanC: can you add items to the agenda next time? | 23:00 |
| jeblair | i didn't know we had things queued up for the meeting | 23:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: yah - I totaly forgot to pre-add this time | 23:00 |
| mordred | that's my bad | 23:00 |
| jeblair | there's a place " General topics (add agenda items here)" where you can add them :) | 23:00 |
| fungi | thanks for starting that back up rbergeron! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | i will happily push things around to accomodate stuff there | 23:00 |
| mordred | ++ | 23:00 |
| tristanC | thanks! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | unfortunately, i don't know that we have come to a consensus on the docker thing | 23:00 |
| mordred | well - I'll start a thread - and maybe we won't even need a topic next time | 23:00 |
| jeblair | so let's put docker back on next week's agenda | 23:01 |
| mordred | ++ | 23:01 |
| rbergeron | fungi: np. it's one of the things i can actually do to help atm, it's just .. worklife has been a juggling game lately :) | 23:01 |
| rbergeron | but it's useful to have folks know what's coming (vital, kinda, really ;D) | 23:01 |
| jeblair | thanks all! | 23:01 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 22 23:01:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-05-22-22.04.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-05-22-22.04.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-05-22-22.04.log.html | 23:01 |
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