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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 14:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | WHo's here today? | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | bauzas mentioned that he's doing daddy duty and probably won't be here | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | GET /edleafe | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | PUT /mriedem | 14:02 |
| edleafe | 409 | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:02 |
| cdent | if we get an earlier microversion of edleafe, will that result in a smooth shit-talking new yorker and not some dude from texas? | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | #link Nested Resources: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything of note there? | 14:02 |
| * dtantsur watches how every meeting with edleafe and cdent turns into an API WG meeting | 14:02 | |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, that series was just rebased to keep up with master. it's got a few issues cdent identified, and I'll try to address those tomorrow (today not good) | 14:03 |
| edleafe | cool | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I believe traits integration with scheduler and the claims stuff is prioritized before nested | 14:03 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: did you come for scheduler issues, or just to be amused? | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: the latter of course!</kidding> | 14:04 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:04 |
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| dtantsur | edleafe: I'm watching for things related to changes in scheduling bare metal stuff | 14:04 |
| edleafe | ok, next up: | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link Alternate Allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473377/ | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | since Jim is no longer our driving force in this field... | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471927/ | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | so, a question for you all on the above... | 14:05 |
| edleafe | New revision of the spec, and new code | 14:05 |
| * alex_xu waves late | 14:05 | |
| * edleafe waves back to alex_xu | 14:05 | |
| jaypipes | would it be more useful for me to push the next few patches that add a REST API response for the PlacementAlternatives thing and integration into the scheduler? or should I wait/block on the first patch that I've pushed in order to get folks' ideas. | 14:06 |
| mriedem | what is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=placement-allocation-requests ? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | oh nvm | 14:06 |
| mriedem | the new spec | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: right, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473377/ is the implementation start. | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: still rough, of course. want people's thoughts on it. | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: haven't had a chance to dig into it yet | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no worries, man. just pushed it this morning. :) | 14:07 |
| edleafe | but in general, I'd prefer to see the series in order to get a better idea where things are heading | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: k, I can do that :) | 14:08 |
| edleafe | Anything else to add to this? | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Next on the agenda: | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link project_id and user_id in PUT /allocations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469634/ | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Any issues to discuss with that? | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | so, | 14:10 |
| mriedem | melwitt started it, | 14:10 |
| mriedem | jaypipes updated it, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | dansmith +2ed it | 14:11 |
| mriedem | are there issues with it beyond the rebase that's needed? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | dunno - it's monday morning and I still need to reload my brain with where things are | 14:11 |
| cdent | I think it's okay, given that we've decided to worry about consumer_uuid "safety" later | 14:12 |
| mriedem | can we start -1ing if there is no api reference? | 14:12 |
| cdent | mriedem: that's a good question | 14:13 |
| cdent | ....probably, or at least soon | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | ok, on the compute side i'd -1 if there weren't an api reference update for a microversion change | 14:14 |
| edleafe | It's probably a good thing to start doing for placement | 14:14 |
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| cdent | I reckon you get to set the tone mriedem as part of your onerous leadership responsibilities | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i don't want it to be like that, | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i just think it's good to have the docs in the same change for context | 14:15 |
| mriedem | and so we don't miss them | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: we haven't merged the allocations api-ref patch yet. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470933/ | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: so it would be rough to -1 something for an api-ref section that doesn't yet exist. | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ok i'll remove the -1 and just hound | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | thx | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Moving on... | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #link Delete all inventory: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460147/ | 14:17 |
| edleafe | I see that cdent has been helping rfolco with that | 14:17 |
| rfolco | edleafe, in good shape I guess, waiting for CI and reviews, close to merge | 14:18 |
| edleafe | rfolco: cool; it's in my review queue | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | mine too | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Finally, and would have made a better segueway one spot earlier: | 14:19 |
| edleafe | #link Placement API ref docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/placement-api-ref+status:open | 14:19 |
| mriedem | so there are duplicates | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | would be nice if avolkov can be co-author on the existing allocations api-ref | 14:21 |
| mriedem | rather than creating duplicates | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | hmm? | 14:21 |
| cdent | i think that's unintentional | 14:21 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470933/ is a duplicate of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450550/ | 14:21 |
| mriedem | looks like he made several comments and then pushed his own | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no. | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: Kevin's is GET, andrey's is everything except GET. | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: and andrey reviewed Kevin's and specifcally de-duped his pathc. | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | patch | 14:23 |
| mriedem | ok, that's not obvious in commit message or how they are aligned | 14:23 |
| mriedem | as in, they aren't aligned | 14:23 |
| mriedem | but i didn't -1 so whatever | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so i just won't review these | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: agreed | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: I will review them and ask andrey/kevin to work closer together. | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i posted some comments in andrey's change | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | moving on? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ? | 14:26 |
| edleafe | waiting for you guys to finish | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:27 |
| edleafe | One new one this week | 14:27 |
| cdent | that bug has interesting implications | 14:28 |
| edleafe | how so? | 14:28 |
| cdent | the deeper we get into the comments the more strange it becomes | 14:28 |
| cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1696830 | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1696830 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-placement-api default config files is too strict" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Corey Bryant (corey.bryant) | 14:28 |
| cdent | the last comment is about how conf is being loaded for the auth middleware | 14:28 |
| cdent | (in deploy.py) | 14:28 |
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| cdent | the initial fix doesn't fix the whole problem and the initial code didn't really imagine the use case presented by the bug | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | ok, well, be sure to ping on -nova if it gets stranger | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #topic Open discussion | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | What's on everyone's mind? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i have something | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | not that at least 4 major bp efforts aren't enough for placement, | 14:31 |
| mriedem | but what do we want to do about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/custom-resource-classes-in-flavors ? | 14:31 |
| dtantsur | I wanted to ask (probably jaypipes) about the status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/custom-resource-classes-in-flavors, but this can wait | 14:32 |
| dtantsur | LOL | 14:32 |
| cdent | yay, jinx! | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | i don't expect jaypipes to own nested rps, shared resources, alternative allocations, and this at the same itme | 14:32 |
| mriedem | *time | 14:32 |
| mriedem | so, do we find another owner or defer? | 14:33 |
| dtantsur | how complex is this code-wise? | 14:33 |
| mriedem | dtantsur: have you read the spec? | 14:33 |
| dtantsur | mriedem: yep, but it's hard to estimate the work | 14:33 |
| dtantsur | I've never contributed anything to nova outside of nova/virt/ironic | 14:33 |
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| jaypipes | shouldn't be too difficult to do, but as mriedem mentioned, I'm starting to get stretched. | 14:34 |
| edleafe | I might be able to pitch in | 14:34 |
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| cdent | I might as well, but I've got a two week gap comin up | 14:35 |
| cdent | so I don't want to make promises | 14:35 |
| dtantsur | I can help, but I'll probably require too much hand-holding | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | helping on the test side would be useful, as in actually verifying the code proposed works with an ironic environment | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | so black box testing | 14:36 |
| edleafe | Yeah, that's hard for me to test :) | 14:36 |
| dtantsur | oh, this one I can do! | 14:37 |
| edleafe | OK, anything else? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | so to summarize this one, | 14:37 |
| mriedem | it actually sounds like 3 changes in nova: 1 in the placement api for a new filter parameter to getting RPs, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | then a change in the filter scheduler to request based on these extra specs, | 14:38 |
| mriedem | and a data migration | 14:38 |
| cdent | 1st step is pretty much done | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | maybe split up the work so cdent does the api, edleafe does the scheduler, etc | 14:38 |
| alex_xu | i can help also | 14:38 |
| cdent | with the resources filter, and if jay's doing resource filter on the /allocations_request | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | we need to get traits into the pipeline too, ASAP. | 14:39 |
| * cdent nods | 14:39 | |
| mriedem | alright well i'm not as involved so i guess you guys all sort out who wants what piece of the pie | 14:40 |
| edleafe | wil do | 14:40 |
| dtantsur | ping me for any testing with ironic | 14:40 |
| cdent | so many pies | 14:40 |
| mriedem | cdent being an englishman wants the kidney part | 14:40 |
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| * cdent voms | 14:40 | |
| edleafe | I have to run, so if there's anything else, continue on in -nova | 14:40 |
| edleafe | Thanks everyone! | 14:40 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 14:40:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-12-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-12-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-06-12-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 15:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 15:01 |
| lujinluo | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | let's start from reviewing action items from the previous week | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev week | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | first is "manjeetsb to clarify if Shashank is going to complete port binding level OVO patch" | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | this is regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382037 | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | I see Shashank respinned | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | though it's all red in gate | 15:02 |
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| lujinluo | but he did not say if he will continue it | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | seems like this is the culprit: http://logs.openstack.org/37/382037/52/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-ubuntu-xenial/a4b33fa/logs/new/screen-q-agt.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__, is Shashank going to drive it to completion? | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets__, are you around? | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | doesn't seem like it | 15:06 |
| lujinluo | :( | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's restate the AIs that are on him for the next week and move on | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | #action manjeetsb to clarify if Shashank is going to complete port binding level OVO patch | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeetsb to have a look at LIKE support patch and respin | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | next was one me | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to respin endpoints OVO patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810" | 15:07 |
| manjeets__ | ihrachys, I asked him and he respin | 15:07 |
| manjeets__ | he said whenever he have cycles he'll be able to do it | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | manjeets__, oh good, you are here :) | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | re endpoints patch, I haven't really had time to respin it, but it's still on me. I should have more time this week. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to respin endpoints OVO patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367810 | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to talk to Kevin about his plans for grenade linuxbridge multinode job setup" | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I did talk to him on the matter; it's on Kevin's plate, he is aware of it, just hasn't prioritized it yet. | 15:09 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, I spent time last debugging other issues, I'll work on like patch this week | 15:10 |
| manjeets | last week** | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I think it's ok to give it more time to bubble up Kevin's todo list | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, thanks for the update | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | these were all the items we had from the last meeting. as you can see, we haven't pulled much, hopefully we will make more progress this week. | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | next topic is | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic OVO | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | of all, we were able to merge the ip allocation pool adoption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396711/ | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | let's review those open for review | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | v | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | first is ip allocation adoption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396718/ | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | it needs some more work; and it's in merge conflict right now | 15:13 |
| lujinluo | i will adress the comments tomorrow in ip allocation | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | cool | 15:13 |
| lujinluo | address* | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | next are qos binding patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468837/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468406/ | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | I reviewed them, had some comments | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | but I see they are now respinned | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | so probably should be good to go now | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | I will get back to them after the meeting | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | next is security groups adoption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738/ | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | it was already in gate several times | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | but failed to merge due to gate instability | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | I think gate issues are fixed now | 15:15 |
| manjeets | I just rebased it now | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | yeah, I see. we'll wait for CI results and push in gate if it passes | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I hope we can get it in this week. there is nothing that could block it except gate. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | next is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466237/ adding port relationship to routers | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | apparently needed for router OVO: https://review.openstack.org/307964 | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | I haven't got time to get to it :( | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | so can't comment | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | yeah, the eager loading patch has an unstable UT failure | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, have you had a look? | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | i debugged it last week, seems to be some unclosed session issue | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, is it related to the patch? | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | but i have not figured out how to resolve it | 15:17 |
| lujinluo | yes ihrachys | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | do you have an example of the failure? | 15:18 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, not, I was onto networking-odl reviews and a gate job last week, I'll try to have a look today | 15:18 |
| lujinluo | it is the routerport.port.fixed_ips update problem as I see it. The ipallocations are stored in db, but not properly in port.fixed_ips | 15:19 |
| lujinluo | sometimes the ipallocation got updated correctly in port.fixed_ips and sometimes not | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, it may be because you don't update ipallocations via port model, so sqlalchemy misses to update the cached port model in session. | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | if so, I think a refresh(port_db) in the right place could help | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | ok next in line is port binding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | sadly I haven't had a chance to look either :-x | 15:22 |
| lujinluo | i have not paid much attention on this patch either. The tempest failures are SSH to instances timeout, which I have solved yet | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | ack | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | next is network dhcp agent binding: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452 | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | this has one +2 from Kevin | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | but lujinluo has a comment on test case | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | I see manjeets was the last one who respinned the patch | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, are you going to address lujinluo's comment? | 15:24 |
| manjeets | yes | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | great | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeets to respin network dhcp agent binding patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452 | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | this is probably close, right? | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | considering +2 | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | ok next is neutron-db-manage command: https://review.openstack.org/432494 | 15:26 |
| manjeets | yes, looks like it is | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I don't think we made any significant progress (at least review wise) there since the previous meeting | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I remember manjeets asked for feedback the previous meeting, so please let's try to get it this week at least :) | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | afaiu it's not complete | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | but will benefit from reviews either way | 15:28 |
| lujinluo | i will try to help review the patch this week ;) | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, ++ | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | next is dvr mac OVO: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304873/ | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | seems mostly green, I just rechecked because of docs failure | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | I will have a look after the meeting. the patch is very tiny. | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | that's about it for the patches in the queue. we should be able to land a bunch this week. the major one is ofc security groups. | 15:29 |
| lujinluo | ++ | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | any other OVO patches that maybe missed the topic? | 15:30 |
| lujinluo | seems no | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | no new UpgradeImpact patches it seems | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | I have PTO the next week; then the week after I have an event I will need to attend during the time of the meeting. | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | meaning I won't be able to chair either of next two meetings | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | if you folks feel like sync during the time, you are free to | 15:32 |
| lujinluo | got it | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | if you don't feel like, I can also formally cancel them. up to you. | 15:33 |
| manjeets | ok | 15:33 |
| manjeets | I won't have much other than these patches to talk if needed we can chat over neutron channel or irc lujinluo | 15:33 |
| manjeets | ?? | 15:34 |
| lujinluo | sure manjeets | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | ok I will cancel next two | 15:34 |
| lujinluo | and personally this meeting time is not convienent for me, haha | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, which slot would be better for you? | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | you are in Asia right? | 15:35 |
| lujinluo | i am based in Japan. | 15:35 |
| lujinluo | yeah | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | yeah. sorry for the inconvenience. | 15:35 |
| lujinluo | never mind | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, I could move 2h earlier. would it be fine with you? | 15:35 |
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| manjeets | that'll be like 6 am PST ? | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | maybe not on Monday though, but some other day. | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, yeah. I am not sure which tz you are | 15:36 |
| manjeets | we can try that up, I usually get up at 7ish | 15:36 |
| manjeets | I am pst | 15:36 |
| manjeets | same as ca | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | well I start @6am :) | 15:36 |
| lujinluo | if it is too troublesome, please do not bother | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | or we can consider something later. checking a tz calculator for a sec. | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | lujinluo, would 6-7am your time be better for you? | 15:38 |
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| lujinluo | ihrachys, yeah, i think i can do that | 15:38 |
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| manjeets | what it'll be pst ? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | ok let me spin up a doodle and send it to you two so that we can pick the best slot. | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | manjeets, it's 2-3pm | 15:39 |
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| manjeets | okay with me | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok. we will need to sync with internal calendars (I have quite some slots filled in), so doodle should help us to pick the right day. once we have it, we can discuss it in email and I can propose a patch moving the slot then. | 15:40 |
| lujinluo | ihrachys, got it. thanks | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | ok thanks everyone | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | I won't take any more of your time :) | 15:41 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ciao | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| lujinluo | thanks | 15:41 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 15:41:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-12-15.01.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-12-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2017/neutron_upgrades.2017-06-12-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | lujinluo, thanks for joining so late. have a good rest. | 15:41 |
| lujinluo | ihrachys, :) | 15:41 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 20:10:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:10 | |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:10 |
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| dave-mccowan | in case anyone reads the logs later: | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | The agenda is here: | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | PIke Status | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Milestone-2 released last Friday; July 24 is Milestone-3 (and release date for libraries) | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Remaining features to push for; Remaining features to defer. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Upcoming PTG | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Denver, September 11-15 | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Offline Upgrade | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Thanks to namnh, Barbican will shortly have "supports-upgrade" tag! Woot! | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | I'll reach out during the week to figure out what remaining items we can finish during Pike. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | Thanks! | 20:13 |
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| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 20:13:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-12-20.10.html | 20:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-12-20.10.txt | 20:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-12-20.10.log.html | 20:13 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
| leong | #chair shamail leong | 21:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: shamail | 21:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: leong shamail | 21:00 |
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| leong | #topic Rollcall | 21:00 |
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| shamail | hi everyone. | 21:00 |
| leong | say hi if you are here for Product WG meeting L) | 21:00 |
| leong | 0/ | 21:00 |
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| shamail | hmm | 21:01 |
| shamail | just us? ;] | 21:02 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello PWG | 21:04 |
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| leong | hi Arkady | 21:04 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 21:04 |
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| annabelleB | hello! | 21:05 |
| shamail | hi annabelleB! | 21:05 |
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| shamail | hi rockyg! | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello all | 21:05 |
| leong | hi annabelle | 21:05 |
| shamail | Welcome back ArchiFleKs | 21:05 |
| shamail | Welcome back Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | LoL | 21:05 |
| leong | ArchiFleKs??? | 21:05 |
| leong | haha | 21:05 |
| shamail | Ar{tab} :) | 21:05 |
| leong | lol | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Argh | 21:06 |
| rockyg | Hey all! | 21:06 |
| leong | shamail: are we good to start? or want to wait for a few more moment? | 21:06 |
| shamail | Let’s proceed, we have 5 of us | 21:06 |
| AndyU | Hi All o/ | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | status on AI for Andy and me - still in progress. Nothing to report yet | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is on wiki page improvements | 21:07 |
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| AndyU | @Arkady - want to have a web meeting together and plan the what, who, etc? | 21:08 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU - yes. | 21:08 |
| leong | ok.. the agenda can be found here | 21:08 |
| leong | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Lets two of us teake of offline | 21:09 |
| leong | #topic Review of action items | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:09 | |
| AndyU | @Arkady - ok, I'll pm you and we can figure out a time | 21:09 |
| leong | #info AR1: Arkady_Kanevsky and AndyU to work on updating/simplifying PWG wiki | 21:09 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks Andy. | 21:10 |
| leong | #action Arkady_Kanevsky and AndyU to schedule a web meeting for AR1 | 21:10 |
| leong | #info AR2: mrhillsman and AndyU to work on standalone wiki page for video, moderator template, ops meetups moderator guide, FAQs | 21:10 |
| leong | any updates on the AR2? | 21:11 |
| AndyU | I have no update on AR2 as yet | 21:11 |
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| mrhillsman | sec | 21:12 |
| mrhillsman | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Moderator_Guide | 21:12 |
| mrhillsman | after last meeting i pulled some stuff from a number of places to that | 21:13 |
| leong | thanks mrhillsman | 21:13 |
| leong | looks good to me on the first glance :) | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Cool. But I'm wondering whether it's worth thinking about once pulling all the stuff together, we remove the other sites so there is one definitve site for all to read and improve? | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looks like moderator template copy has some extras | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Would need a discusstion with the other page maintianers, but might be worth it. | 21:14 |
| leong | #link Moderator Guilde: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Moderator_Guide | 21:14 |
| AndyU | Thanks mrhillsman. I can put the etherpad templates in there. | 21:14 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool, you're welcome | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | mrhillsman, should we review the page and sent you and ANdyU feedback? | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | very rough right now | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | definitely | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. I will take that AI. Probable the same for all. | 21:15 |
| rockyg | Really good to get all this stuff collected and visible. | 21:15 |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, ++ | 21:16 |
| leong | #action all to review Moderator Guide and provide feedback to mrhillsman and AndyU | 21:16 |
| leong | #info AR3: all to review existing+wip proposals and decide which one is ready to move forward with wider participation from PTL/core | 21:16 |
| leong | anyone got a cchance to look at AR3? | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | partially. I looked at mine and they are not ready till gap analysis is merged | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Had not reviewed others | 21:17 |
| shamail | I haven’t reviewed them yet either | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | suggest adding a pointer to proposals to agenda | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/development-proposals/proposed | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can add it if everybody is OK with it | 21:19 |
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| AndyU | LCOO will be picking up the 'Cloud Native' proposal and giving it a tune up to give it a more specific focus around the needed enablers for containerized deployments/upgrades of openstack | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU, do not see it in the folder | 21:20 |
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| leong | for information, development proposals needs to have a good level of details in order to move into gap-analysis/bp/spec | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | unless it is categorized-configs.rst | 21:20 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: that is still in gerrit review | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. I will review it this week | 21:21 |
| AndyU | Hmmm... still WIP I think; which is good. | 21:21 |
| leong | i shall keep this AR again for next week.. | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | leong Thanks | 21:21 |
| leong | #action all to review existing+wip proposals and decide which one is ready to move forward with wider participation from PTL/core | 21:22 |
| AndyU | We were going to archive "security-policy-enforcement.rst" earlier but I asked to keep it alive. Long story short, that one can be archived again. | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | lest add the link to AR | 21:22 |
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| leong | #link Existing Proposal: https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/development-proposals/proposed | 21:23 |
| leong | #link Proposal in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/development-proposals+status:open | 21:23 |
| leong | #info AndyU proposing archive "security-policy-enforcement.rst" | 21:23 |
| AndyU | @Arkady - this is the 'cloud native' one I was thinking of earlier: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444611/ | 21:23 |
| leong | #link Security Policy Enforcement: https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/blob/master/development-proposals/proposed/security-policy-enforcement.rst | 21:23 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I see it ANdyU. I reviewed it and posted 10 comments a while back. Looking for updated proposal | 21:24 |
| AndyU | If a Dev Proposal (WIP) is going to be substantially re-written, would it be best to just abandon the original and start a new one?? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | your call. I am good either way | 21:25 |
| AndyU | Arkady. Yes. It's going to get a substantial overhaul. | 21:25 |
| leong | AndyU: if substantially, i'm fine to just abandon and create a new one, but please indicate that in references | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | then I suggest go with new submission | 21:26 |
| rockyg | agree with everyone | 21:26 |
| leong | :) | 21:26 |
| AndyU | Ok. We'll see. Might be easier to just start fresh. | 21:26 |
| AndyU | @Leong - got it. | 21:26 |
| leong | AndyU: are you still working on the "containerizing control plane"? | 21:27 |
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| AndyU | I think that's going to go away in lieu of just contributing use cases as needed to the specific projects working on that (like OpenStack-Helm, kolla) | 21:28 |
| leong | ok.. can you update the status on gerrit? | 21:29 |
| leong | thanks AndyU | 21:29 |
| leong | anything else in relation to this topic | 21:29 |
| * leong calling 3... 2... 1... | 21:29 | |
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| leong | next agenda :) | 21:30 |
| leong | #topic Action Plan | 21:30 |
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| AndyU | But we expect to have 4 Dev Proposals that will have real commitment/resources behind them: (1)Extreme Testing (already underway), (2)Logging (we'll be reaching out soon Rocky - still getting things together on my end) | 21:30 |
| leong | i am keeping this two action plans in Agenda.. | 21:30 |
| leong | #info Value 1: Properly documenting ideas, getting a structured workflow, and integration into development workflow | 21:30 |
| leong | #info Value 2: Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers | 21:30 |
| leong | few of the AR above are working towards value 1 and value 2 | 21:31 |
| rockyg | AndyU, I'm tracking the stuff happening on the dev side. It's moving along. But some hiccups. | 21:31 |
| AndyU | (3) Containerized OpenStack upgrade/migration enablers (actual name TBD) and (4) Role Based Access Control (focused on use cases to meet operator needs) | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we still have rolling_upgrades and instance_HA going from before | 21:31 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong, are you owning rolling_upgardes now? | 21:32 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: nope | 21:32 |
| leong | :) | 21:32 |
| leong | i don't think we have a replacement since after kenny left? | 21:33 |
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| leong | anyone want to take up ? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol and Kenny where owning it before | 21:33 |
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| leong | primarily Kenny | 21:33 |
| AndyU | @Rocky, we've good some good people committed to working on logging from AT&T; we're getting them oriented. We will want to get logging wg, other lcoo contrib's, etc., together (maybe in ~2or3 weeks?) to kick start. I'd like to connect with you (and ?) to strategize over how we should focus efforts. | 21:34 |
| rockyg | I'm following bits on the dev ML, but... | 21:35 |
| leong | as far as i know, most dev work for rolling upgrade for "core" is near complete except neutron | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | HA VM was driven by Adam and Pete Chadwick | 21:35 |
| rockyg | AndyU, sounds good. Sounds like a phone call minimum, though | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so I think we are good on HA VM | 21:35 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think there is still work going on rolling upgrades in Ironic. Not sure about other non-core projects | 21:36 |
| AndyU | @rockyg - yes. I'll send you an email and we can arrange something. | 21:36 |
| rockyg | One issue on rolling upgrade with regards to Keystone is the way they do the DB upgrades is trigger based, which messes up Postgres installations | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I thouhg that postgres was dropped from support list??? | 21:37 |
| rockyg | But, it works. | 21:37 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | you can not upgarde to something that is no longer supported upstream. | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | In any case my point is that we do need owner for rolling upgrades | 21:38 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | it is not done yet | 21:38 |
| leong | #info Owner needed for rolling upgrade | 21:38 |
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| leong | let's move on to next agenda... | 21:39 |
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| AndyU | Regarding: "#info Value 2: Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers" - I was given a contact with Red Hat and another with Mirantis that we can reach out to about this. | 21:39 |
| leong | cool.. that's great to hear AndyU | 21:39 |
| leong | just keep that on our agenda we can update as needed | 21:40 |
| leong | #info | 21:40 |
| leong | #info AndyU was given contact with Red Hat and Mirantis for collaboration with Product Manager | 21:40 |
| leong | #topic PTG | 21:40 |
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| leong | a quick question from PTG | 21:41 |
| AndyU | Should the PWG perhaps schedule a web meeting to plan/discuss that (Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers)? | 21:41 |
| leong | do we plan to having a session at PTG? | 21:41 |
| shamail | I might be there | 21:41 |
| shamail | not sure yet* | 21:41 |
| leong | i don't think i will be there | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I plan to attend Denver one | 21:41 |
| leong | do we have enough quorum to organize a meeting at PTG? | 21:41 |
| leong | very high chances that I won't be there | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We are on agenda for it. | 21:42 |
| AndyU | Is there an opportunity to educate about the Dev proposal process, and other PWG value points? | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That is why added it to today's agenda | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we organize an etherpad to start planning and see who is coming | 21:42 |
| rockyg | hmm. Right now looking unlikely for me. | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | UC is meeting | 21:43 |
| leong | Arkady_Kanevsky: i think an email will do to ask if anyone from PWG is going... | 21:43 |
| AndyU | It's a possibility for me... depends on if there is reason enough to go. | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/edit#gid=397241312 | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | leong: OK | 21:43 |
| leong | btw, i believe PTG is for each WG/Project to organize work, so is more like a "WG discussion meeting" | 21:44 |
| leong | like what we did at Milan operator meetup | 21:44 |
| leong | #action leong to email if anyone from PWG is attending PTG and if a WG meeting is needed | 21:44 |
| leong | #topic Midcycle | 21:45 |
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| leong | next one is midcycle :) | 21:45 |
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| leong | do we want to organize midcycle meetup, collacated with ops midcycle ? i think is at Mexico? | 21:45 |
| AndyU | Yes, I'd like to have mid-cycle info sooner rather than later | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | me too. If we have that I will skip PTG | 21:47 |
| AndyU | Ops Meetup is in Mexico City right? | 21:47 |
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| rockyg | Right. PWG usually syncs with ops. But that was before PTG | 21:47 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | so UC meets both at Ops summit and PTG? | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | feels like too much. | 21:48 |
| rockyg | But, PTG could get more of our asks focused on. We could sell BPs/Specs to the various teams that we need to. | 21:48 |
| rockyg | Only has met at the Ops midcycle, or separately. | 21:48 |
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| rockyg | Not PTG yet. | 21:48 |
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| rockyg | Interop coincides with the PTG | 21:48 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree with rockyg | 21:48 |
| shamail | PWG still makes sense to sync with Ops… UC is generally at Ops and not PTG | 21:49 |
| rockyg | shamail, ++ | 21:49 |
| shamail | This time, however, UC will be at PTG due to a joint Board/TC/UC meeting. | 21:49 |
| leong | shamail: +1 | 21:49 |
| rockyg | I don't think we are at a point to shop around Specs or gap fillers to devs yet. When we are, getting on PTG schedule would be good. | 21:49 |
| AndyU | If we colocate midcycle with PTG would we meet before the PTG? Or during? | 21:50 |
| leong | we have a very tight travel constraint this year.. don't think i can be at either PTG or Ops Mexico | 21:50 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1, although the Forum could be a strong point of intersection as well | 21:50 |
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| shamail | Forum = requirements gathering, PTG = Release planning | 21:50 |
| leong | does the team here want to organize the PWG ops midcycle? | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | ops summit is also requirements gathering | 21:51 |
| shamail | I won’t be able to make it to the Ops Midcycle in Mexico either | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am for mid cycle. | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | The questoin to me is better to do it with PTG or ops meeting? | 21:51 |
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| leong | ok..i will send an email and ask... if we have quorum, we can plan to organize one | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | should we conduct doodle ask on it? | 21:52 |
| AndyU | FWIW, it will be easier for me to get travel to Denver approved than to Mexico. | 21:52 |
| leong | #action Leong to ask PWG if need to organize midcycle, colocated with Ops Midcycle at Mexico | 21:52 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | me too. | 21:52 |
| leong | alright, move on..:) | 21:53 |
| leong | #topic Post-forum report | 21:53 |
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| leong | i have a patch need to fix a few minor issue on ##hashtag result | 21:53 |
| leong | #link hashtag review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469267/ | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Leong I will review it tonight | 21:54 |
| leong | anyone got a chance to review the ##result | 21:54 |
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| leong | #link Hashtag Result: https://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/forum/201705-bos | 21:54 |
| shamail | I have not reviewed them yet, who all volunteered to help with this? Could we maybe divide the files? | 21:55 |
| leong | looks like this etherpad is still quite empty :) | 21:55 |
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| leong | #link Data mining for forum etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-forum-analysis | 21:55 |
| rockyg | I looked at some of it back when you first posted. It looks like it could be interesting. It would also be useful if we could get the people summarizing the sessions to add hashtags as they review them. | 21:55 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | agree. | 21:56 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 5 min left | 21:56 |
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| leong | #action All please look at the hashtag results and sign up for the data-mining | 21:56 |
| leong | #topic Open | 21:56 |
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| leong | any open? | 21:56 |
| leong | anything else? | 21:58 |
| AndyU | I have one. At the March mid-cycle we discussed having web meetings / conference calls along with IRC. I still think that would be valuable. | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | if everybody can use skype I can host it. | 21:58 |
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| leong | AndyU: i think we tried to make a vote few months back but was postponed | 21:59 |
| rockyg | I think I can once I'm on our guest network. | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | AndyU, I can try with with you to see if it works and then propose for full team | 21:59 |
| AndyU | @Arkady - that works for me. And their is a free Skype for Business client available to download for any who might need one. | 21:59 |
| leong | the matter is not on the tools... | 21:59 |
| AndyU | Arkady sounds good. | 21:59 |
| leong | is more on the format :) | 22:00 |
| AndyU | agree :) | 22:00 |
| leong | i think we hit the hour... let's keep that in next meeting agenda | 22:00 |
| leong | thank you folks! | 22:00 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 22:00:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks all! | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-12-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| AndyU | Ever see this?? :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462077/ | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-12-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-06-12-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| AndyU | bye all | 22:00 |
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| shamail | bye | 22:01 |
| jeblair | any zuul folks around? | 22:01 |
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| fungi | as around as i'll ever be | 22:01 |
| Shrews | o/ | 22:02 |
| Shrews | (but very hungry) | 22:02 |
| pabelanger | hello | 22:02 |
| fungi | i was smart and cooked dinner before the meeting | 22:02 |
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| fungi | for a change | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | i think SpamapS is on pto today | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:04 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 12 22:04:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:04 |
| clarkb | I have to pop out in a bit to run errands | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-05-22.03.html | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | first thing -- i just revised the status updates section of the agenda | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | these are the things that we want to take special care not to block, as they are the areas we're most focusing on in order to get into production | 22:05 |
| jeblair | i listed: | 22:05 |
| jeblair | Standard job library | 22:06 |
| jeblair | Documentation | 22:06 |
| jeblair | Github parity | 22:06 |
| jeblair | Zuul test enablement | 22:06 |
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| jeblair | (i've dropped bubblewrap, added documentation, and morphed the 'jobs' related topic as well as the 'github' topic) | 22:06 |
| jeblair | how does that list look to folks? | 22:07 |
| fungi | what's the context around dropping bubblewrap? is that done, or deferred for now, or what? | 22:07 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh, 'cause it's done | 22:07 |
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| fungi | wfm! | 22:08 |
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| jeblair | and the main push on 'github' is done, but i morphed it into 'parity' since there's still some important things missing (but basic functionality is there) | 22:08 |
| pabelanger | from ze01.o.o, I think we are just missing credentials today and a project to run against | 22:09 |
| pabelanger | for github | 22:09 |
| fungi | we have gtest-org | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | i'm excited since i think the first two -- standard jobs and documentation, are the only things that should be holding us back from beginning our scale-out/load testing on openstack. :) | 22:09 |
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| clarkb | ya gtest-org or even just have zuul test itself against github too? | 22:09 |
| clarkb | since we mirror there we should get the push events I think | 22:10 |
| fungi | jeblair: seems very close now! | 22:10 |
| pabelanger | I think we still have a little infrastructure to discuss too, but we likely can move that to tomorrows meeting? eg: zookeeper scale out | 22:10 |
| jeblair | okay, no objections, so let's go with that list for now. we can update it pretty easily. it's a wiki. :) | 22:10 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: do we need to scale out zk? | 22:10 |
| clarkb | a single node zk is no worse than the single node geard we have been reliant on for years. I don't know that its necessary to do that first | 22:10 |
| jeblair | do we just want to open the meeting agenda? | 22:10 |
| clarkb | I was reading it as there may be a few infrastrucutre pieces we want to capture on the special care not to block but maybe I am mistaken | 22:11 |
| fungi | i have no preference on whether the meeting agenda is open or structured | 22:12 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I don't want to block the meeting now too, I can loop back to it for open discussion | 22:12 |
| jeblair | #topic status updates: Standard job library | 22:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status updates: Standard job library (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:12 | |
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| jeblair | okay, so pabelanger and i are going to be working on the zuul-jobs repo this week | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | that's where we're going to put jobs which may be of interest to any zuul installation | 22:13 |
| jeblair | i expect openstack-infra to either run jobs from it or run jobs inherited from jobs in it | 22:14 |
| jeblair | same for bonnyci, third party cis, and any other zuul | 22:14 |
| fungi | have a short-list of example jobs? | 22:14 |
| fungi | er, examples of what jobs would be of interest to any zuul installation i mean | 22:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: the common python related jobs, for starters. like a 'python27' job, a 'python35' job, etc. | 22:14 |
| jeblair | so that anyone running a zuul can say "i want to run python 2.7 based unit tests against this repo" | 22:15 |
| fungi | okay, thanks. i wasn't sure if that was too openstack/python-specific | 22:15 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yeah, i think that's the really interesting part of this | 22:15 |
| fungi | but since zuul itself is written in python, i guess it makes sense to include some basic python-oriented jobs | 22:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: i would have thought a while ago that writing such a job would be very hard. but mordred has argued that it can be safely generalized. | 22:16 |
| jeblair | i'm convinced it's worth a shot | 22:16 |
| jeblair | so i think we can go as far as putting "our" python27 job into that repo (with all the "weird" things it does like sudo grep, subunity processing, etc) | 22:16 |
| fungi | sure | 22:17 |
| fungi | no objection here | 22:17 |
| jeblair | and with some carefully placed conditionals, it should actually be pretty widely applicable | 22:17 |
| fungi | gotta draw that line in the sand somewhere | 22:17 |
| jeblair | (someday, it may grow the ability to run nose tests too, even if we don't use it (much)) | 22:17 |
| jeblair | anyway, that's my thinking on that at the moment. | 22:18 |
| jeblair | anything that doesn't work out there, we'll still have the openstack-zuul-jobs repo to stick our own versions of things in. | 22:18 |
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| jeblair | there's a crossover topic here -- documentation for the standard library | 22:18 |
| clarkb | fwiw our current job does have the ability to run nose tests (eg horizon and swift) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | how close we are already :) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | i have a change to create 'zuul-sphinx': https://review.openstack.org/472823 | 22:19 |
| jeblair | this will be a repo which holds a sphinx plugin that we can add to all of our "jobs" repos | 22:20 |
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| fungi | self-documenting jobs! | 22:20 |
| jeblair | i've added a 'description' field to jobs in zuul.yaml | 22:20 |
| jeblair | so that, yeah, we can put documentation about jobs right in the yaml | 22:20 |
| jeblair | and we can generate nice sphinx docs for the whole repo | 22:20 |
| jeblair | same thing applies to roles | 22:20 |
| fungi | best place for it | 22:20 |
| pabelanger | that would be great | 22:21 |
| jeblair | i'd like to start having that documentation right from the start so we have good habits and encourage good copy pasta :) | 22:21 |
| jeblair | the code for that is mostly written here: https://review.openstack.org/473544 | 22:22 |
| jeblair | i'll move it over there as soon as the repo exists | 22:22 |
| jeblair | anything else stdlib related? | 22:23 |
| jeblair | #topic status updates: Documentation | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | i have this draft from a couple weeks back: https://review.openstack.org/463328 | 22:25 |
| jeblair | i plan on continuing work on that soon | 22:25 |
| jeblair | i definitely think it's time to get zuul's documentation in order, before we start exposing more folks in the community to it | 22:25 |
| jeblair | that *mostly* addresses reference documentation | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | i think we may want some more narrative documentation as well | 22:26 |
| jeblair | there's some narrative in there, but interspersed like that may not be the best way for someone to get a holistic view of how things work | 22:26 |
| jeblair | if anyone else wants to pitch in on revising docs, that'd be great. | 22:28 |
| jeblair | we need to establish a new baseline there, and once we do, we'll start being very strict about requiring docs as part of changes again | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | (the fact that we haven't recently is a temporary aberration, not our normal process) | 22:29 |
| jeblair | anyone else have anything related to docs? | 22:29 |
| mordred | I've got a todo list task personally to work on narrative docs this week | 22:29 |
| fungi | nope, other than pitching in on docs might be slightly lower-hanging fruit task (probably needs you to at least be able to stand up a working zuulv3 though i guess) | 22:30 |
| jeblair | mordred: neat! :) | 22:30 |
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| fungi | but maybe a good place for people who are less certain of their python skills to pitch in | 22:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: it probably doesn't require that; but it may require reading the code or paying lots of attention. :) | 22:31 |
| fungi | fair | 22:31 |
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| fungi | still, convenient to be able to try out the things you're documenting to make sure they're correct | 22:32 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:32 |
| jeblair | happily, zuul is good at telling you if things are correct | 22:32 |
| jeblair | #topic status updates: Github parity | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | i know jlk is working on this, but doesn't seem to be around for today's meeting | 22:33 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/472468 is the current focus | 22:33 |
| jeblair | the next big thing after that i think might be cross-repo dependencies | 22:34 |
| jeblair | anything else about either this, or the next topic, zuul test enablement? | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | is there any value in setting up github pipeline today? | 22:35 |
| jamielennox | pabelanger: what value are you looking for? | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | we are certainly testing it | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | but i'm not sure if there's anything that -infra wants from github | 22:36 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: yes, i think we should start using it asap. probably we should start by pointing it at a gtest-org repo | 22:36 |
| jeblair | pabelanger, jamielennox: we have our eyes on the ansible repo :) | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | and yes, afaik cross-repo dependencies are the next big thing | 22:36 |
| jeblair | shade has an immediate use for reporting on ansible prs | 22:37 |
| mordred | yup | 22:37 |
| fungi | we've talked about things like being able to test with and comment on pull requests to ansible, pip, et cetera in the past | 22:37 |
| jeblair | so as soon as we think we can do something useful there without spamming errors, we should start working on hooking that up. | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | okay, I assume mordred you have credentials for github intergration | 22:37 |
| mordred | yes. I have created an OpenStack Zuul acount | 22:37 |
| jeblair | s/acount/app/ | 22:37 |
| jamielennox | ok, ping with any questions on creds, because there's a few ways you can do that | 22:38 |
| mordred | I also think we should make a job at some point which tests ansible prs that would affect zuul against zuul | 22:38 |
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| pabelanger | Cool, I'll follow up after meeting | 22:38 |
| mordred | \o/ | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | Shrews, mordred: should we add '(web) console streaming' to the agenda status updates section? that seems like it might be ready for this? | 22:39 |
| mordred | pabelanger, jamielennox, jeblair: I'd LOVE to have it working-ish enough to show people next week at ansiblefest london, fwiw | 22:39 |
| mordred | jeblair: probably? | 22:39 |
| pabelanger | mordred: Same, it would be great to show off what we have for sure | 22:39 |
| jamielennox | mordred: you should definitely coordinate that with jlk as he's in london for that | 22:39 |
| Shrews | maybe? | 22:39 |
| mordred | jamielennox: yup. totes agree | 22:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think that's going to be a pretty tight deadline. i was hoping for a halfway working python job by the end of the week. | 22:40 |
| Shrews | the whole web discussion on the ML left me wondering if we should reconsider current stuff | 22:40 |
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| jeblair | before we move on to web stuff and streaming -- | 22:40 |
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| mordred | jeblair: agree. if it's not there, I won't be sad. but if it's magically actually ready, then awesome | 22:41 |
| jeblair | mordred: how important do you think that is? because i think we'll need to reprioritize our work this week if we want that to happen. | 22:41 |
| jamielennox | mordred: bonny is running if you want it, it just obviously doesn't have tie in to -infra | 22:42 |
| jeblair | okay. let's focus on the standard library stuff as we were planning, but maybe try to keep github operational stuff moving and maybe we'll end up being able to 'hello world' or something. | 22:42 |
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| mordred | that's a hard question and I'm not sure I've got a solid answer. the desire is mostly driven by the fact that we'll be in the room with a set of folks | 22:42 |
| mordred | jamielennox: cool, thanks. depending on where we're at that might be a good option too | 22:43 |
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| mordred | jeblair: so yah - I agree with what you said | 22:43 |
| jeblair | cool. i like the 'show off bonnyci' as an option too. :) | 22:43 |
| mordred | jeblair: stdlib is the important goal, but maybe everything will move magically quickly and we'll have a hello-world that'll work | 22:43 |
| jeblair | #status updates: (web) console streaming | 22:44 |
| jeblair | #topic status updates: (web) console streaming | 22:44 |
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| jeblair | Shrews: i sent a reply on this to the ML recently | 22:44 |
| jeblair | Shrews: in short, i don't think we should delay any of your work with the web framework discussion | 22:45 |
| Shrews | yep, read that, and i'm fine with that direction | 22:45 |
| Shrews | b/c it does seem like a much larger topic for >3.0 | 22:45 |
| jeblair | Shrews: to me, it's more that i want to make sure tristanC is able to work on his thing starting with the thing we'd like to use in the end, and we can move the other stuff to it when we have time | 22:46 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:46 |
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| jeblair | we should, obviously, make sure whatever we select can handle websockets so that we *can* port the current work over | 22:46 |
| jeblair | but i think we're doing that | 22:46 |
| jeblair | mordred: you have a whole streaming related stack starting at https://review.openstack.org/472850 that's ready to go in i think | 22:47 |
| mordred | the first 6 are at least | 22:48 |
| mordred | patch 7 breaks spectacularly | 22:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: although, before I debug patch 7 - I wouldn't mind feedback from you on whether or not you agree that it's a good idea in the first place | 22:49 |
| jeblair | Shrews: and you said your test change - https://review.openstack.org/471079 is working now right? | 22:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: ack, will do | 22:49 |
| jeblair | Shrews: the websocket stuff proper is still WIP? | 22:49 |
| mordred | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473090 is the one that can use a directional nod | 22:49 |
| Shrews | jeblair: yes, and ran 100's of times to make sure there were no sneaky failures in there. It is needed before I can start working on tests for 473090 | 22:49 |
| Shrews | (though I'm not guaranteeing NO sneaky failures) | 22:50 |
| Shrews | there were several races around directories and files and data structures | 22:50 |
| jeblair | Shrews: you meant s/473090/456353/ ? | 22:50 |
| jeblair | (090 is mordred's change) | 22:50 |
| Shrews | right, 353 | 22:51 |
| jeblair | okay, i've starred things | 22:51 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 22:52 |
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| jeblair | several of us are in london for ansiblefest next week, myself included. | 22:52 |
| jeblair | i'm thinking maybe we should skip the meeting | 22:52 |
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| mordred | ++ | 22:52 |
| mordred | I believe I will be in an airplane during the meeting time | 22:52 |
| pabelanger | I think we need to focus on log publishing for zuulv3.o.o. It is becoming difficult to debug ansible playbooks :) Have we figured out our log URL issues now? | 22:53 |
| pabelanger | ++ I am also on PTO 2 weeks after ansiblefest | 22:53 |
| fungi | i am curious if/when SpamapS's zuul v3 security spec modification to talk about ssh is ready for council vote, but that doesn't necessarily need a zuul meeting to decide i guess | 22:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: on an unrelated note - is it time to discuss removing our py27 testing? we're deploying on py3 and have landed v3-only code now | 22:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: this spec has escaped my attention? | 22:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: I ask mostly because I have hit at least one issue that was caused by the habit of running local unittests under py2 | 22:54 |
| jamielennox | landed v3 only code outside the websocket stuff? | 22:54 |
| pabelanger | mordred: that might leave centos-7 installs in a bad place | 22:55 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/462207 Revise security spec to discuss SSH keys | 22:55 |
| jamielennox | I haven't transitioned our stuff to v3 because i haven't deployed the log streaming yet | 22:55 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: is there a centos-7 install of zuulv3? | 22:55 |
| pabelanger | software factory | 22:56 |
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| pabelanger | the main blocker right now is zookeeper too | 22:56 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i really hope no one is running v3 in production | 22:56 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: they've started work towards it | 22:56 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: that's great! we should make sure they know it's v3 only. | 22:57 |
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| pabelanger | okay, I don't know if that is known | 22:57 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: from the way you said it earlier, it sounded like you were worried about us leaving existing v3 users in the lurch. | 22:57 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: probably not, we don't have release notes yet. :) | 22:57 |
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| pabelanger | Right, or leave out some centos-7 users from adopting zuulv3 :) | 22:58 |
| jeblair | i hope that python3 is not an insurmountable obstacle. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | implementing zuulv3 in python2 certainly is one | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | FWIW: this issue also applies to openstack in general | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | so they need to solve it there first | 22:59 |
| jeblair | anyway, for better or worse, zuulv3 does require python3 | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | okay, good to know | 22:59 |
| pabelanger | will pass that along | 22:59 |
| jeblair | and mordred's question is worth considering -- should we drop the py27 tests | 23:00 |
| jeblair | i'd say let's do it soon, but not right away | 23:00 |
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| jeblair | i like having multiple python jobs running while we're using zuul itself as a guinea pig | 23:00 |
| jeblair | and we're out of time | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 12 23:00:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-12-22.04.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-12-22.04.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-06-12-22.04.log.html | 23:00 |
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