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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 15 12:12:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:12 |
| dirk | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:12 |
| dirk | #topic roll call | 12:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:12 | |
| number80 | hello | 12:12 |
| dirk | #chair number80 | 12:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dirk number80 | 12:13 |
| dirk | everyone please update agenda on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 12:13 |
| dirk | today might be a light meeting, its a public holiday | 12:13 |
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| dirk | #topic python 3.x | 12:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python 3.x (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:16 | |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469187/1/openstack/oslosphinx/oslosphinx.spec.j2 | 12:16 |
| dirk | SUSE is strongly switching to Python 3.x, so the current approach of building only python 2.x no longer works | 12:17 |
| dirk | number80: has there been an evaluation of the singlespec macros? is this an approach to adopt by RDO? | 12:17 |
| number80 | dirk: well, we're interested in, but I haven't had yet the time to look at it | 12:18 |
| dirk | there are ways to make it work for SUSE with renderspec without porting the RDO port | 12:18 |
| dirk | we could implement a --flavor singlespec in renderspec and make py2pkg generate the appropriate macros | 12:18 |
| dirk | but the work would be wasted if we could adopt a common solution | 12:18 |
| dirk | number80: how can we help with the time constraint? :) | 12:18 |
| number80 | TBH, our problem is that I don't know how we will support python3, which makes it difficult for me to envision how | 12:18 |
| number80 | But it would be compatible with the current way, how Fedora implements dual-stack python though | 12:19 |
| dirk | number80: can you check the above link? it shows what currently would need to be done to build python2-foo and python3-foo from a single spec | 12:20 |
| number80 | Yes, I added myself as a reviewer | 12:20 |
| dirk | number80: we could take baby steps into that direction, e.g. by agreeing on the %python_subpackages macro | 12:20 |
| dirk | or by adding a python_build -> %py2_build wrapper for the rdo case | 12:21 |
| number80 | Well, this one won't be too problematic | 12:21 |
| number80 | But yeah, we can start uniformizing %python_build, %python_install semantics | 12:22 |
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| dirk | number80: so are you good with switching from %py2_build to %python_build ? | 12:23 |
| dirk | should we discuss that in a RDO meeting? | 12:24 |
| number80 | I'll start a discussion on our mailing-list | 12:24 |
| number80 | #action number80 to discuss macros with downstream RDO community | 12:24 |
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| dirk | number80: thanks a lot | 12:26 |
| number80 | np | 12:26 |
| dirk | #agreed look at standardizing macro names to be more compatible with singlespec | 12:26 |
| dirk | related | 12:27 |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472632/ | 12:27 |
| dirk | Javier did an experiment with the python2 provides, this didn't build well yet | 12:27 |
| dirk | I'll take a look at that, probably early next week | 12:27 |
| dirk | #action dirk look at the python2 compat macro | 12:27 |
| dirk | #topic open floor | 12:27 |
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| dirk | any topics? | 12:27 |
| dirk | I assume we'll have to look for a new meeting time for IgorYozhikov | 12:28 |
| dirk | somewhen soon | 12:28 |
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| number80 | nnot currently | 12:31 |
| number80 | but yes, we can look for another time slot for meetings | 12:31 |
| * number80 got meeting inflations | 12:31 | |
| dirk | yeah, tell me about it | 12:31 |
| dirk | anyway, next week toabctl and aplanas should be back | 12:32 |
| dirk | so let's keep it short for today | 12:32 |
| number80 | excellent | 12:32 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 12:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 15 12:32:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-15-12.12.html | 12:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-15-12.12.txt | 12:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-15-12.12.log.html | 12:32 |
| number80 | Thanks for running the meeting, the heat's killing me | 12:32 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 15 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| jiaopengju | hi | 14:00 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: hi :) | 14:00 |
| szaher | Hello guys | 14:00 |
| tellesnobrega | hi szaher | 14:01 |
| szaher | Please take a look at the meeting agenda for today's meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:01 |
| szaher | tellesnobrega: hi | 14:01 |
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| szaher | raliev vnogin are you around ? | 14:02 |
| raliev | szaher, hey, i'm here :) | 14:03 |
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| szaher | raliev: nice to see you :) | 14:03 |
| raliev | trying to ping vnogin :) | 14:04 |
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| szaher | Cool | 14:04 |
| vnogin | hi guys | 14:04 |
| szaher | vnogin: Hey :) | 14:04 |
| szaher | guys, Please if you have any topics to be discussed put it here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:05 |
| szaher | #topic add option to create swift client without using keystone | 14:07 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: Do you want to elaborate more on this ? | 14:07 |
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| jiaopengju | hi, szaher, I mean that create swift client without keystone, just use id, password and swift endpoint | 14:09 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: I think this should be possible. For now freezer only supports swift with keystone authentication | 14:10 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: do you have a blueprint for this ? | 14:11 |
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| jiaopengju | I have this idea is because that once in the weekly meeting, some users said they can not use freezer with EMC storage(swift interface) | 14:11 |
| szaher | ah, I remember that issue, but I think EMC storage is using keystone v1 ? | 14:12 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: currently no, if this is needed, I would like to create this bp | 14:12 |
| jiaopengju | yes | 14:12 |
| breton | v1? | 14:12 |
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| szaher | breton: I think that's what they said! | 14:12 |
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| jiaopengju | I guess without keystone, it will work | 14:14 |
| jiaopengju | one of the two users had said | 14:14 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: I think we might need to have a blueprint that describes how this should work and how to differentiate between auth with keystone and without | 14:14 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: Ok, I will do this job | 14:15 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Thank you! | 14:15 |
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| szaher | anyone wants to add anything around this ? | 14:16 |
| szaher | Ok, let's move on | 14:17 |
| szaher | #topic move to oslo.db | 14:17 |
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| szaher | vnogin ralive I think dima is really busy nowadays | 14:17 |
| szaher | so I think I will be putting some effort on this | 14:18 |
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| vnogin | szaher: yep, Dima quite busy with internal tasks :( | 14:19 |
| szaher | vnogin: no problem, I will try to work on it so we can get something by the end of Pike hopefull | 14:20 |
| szaher | y | 14:20 |
| raliev | ok, will inform Dima about it | 14:20 |
| szaher | raliev: Thank You :) | 14:21 |
| raliev | szaher, np :) | 14:21 |
| szaher | raliev: Also the rsync engine v2 we didn't have it ready for Pike-2, Do you think it will be ready by Pike-3 or Pike-rc ? | 14:21 |
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| szaher | tellesnobrega: breton: are you guys interested in freezer ? | 14:23 |
| raliev | szaher, actually I have time for working on freezer activities, hopefully I can finish it by pike-rc | 14:23 |
| szaher | very nice | 14:23 |
| szaher | I think that's what we have for today | 14:25 |
| szaher | anyone want to add or share anything ? | 14:27 |
| vnogin | openstack ansible status? :) | 14:27 |
| szaher | the patch is ready and ansible guys did +1 on it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469938/ | 14:28 |
| szaher | we're waiting for project-config guys to merge it | 14:28 |
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| tellesnobrega | szaher, sorry, I was on the wrong channel, but we can always look and see how things can work together | 14:29 |
| vnogin | szaher: cool ) | 14:29 |
| szaher | tellesnobrega: Sure :) np | 14:29 |
| szaher | vnogin: and this is for tempest as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472732/ | 14:29 |
| szaher | and still waiting | 14:30 |
| vnogin | nice :) thx | 14:30 |
| szaher | hopefully we will get both merged soon and I will notify you | 14:31 |
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| szaher | Ok Thank you guys | 14:33 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 15 14:33:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-15-14.00.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-15-14.00.txt | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-06-15-14.00.log.html | 14:33 |
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| breton | szaher: i just have highlights for "keystone". Keystone API v1 doesn't exist for a while already, since 2012. API v2 is now deprecated and v3 is stable. | 14:47 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 15 15:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | no announcements today | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | we have 2 important topics to cover | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | first up: | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic How should support both IPv6 and IPv4 with DHSS=true | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "How should support both IPv6 and IPv4 with DHSS=true (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | so during the Atlanta PTG we identified an issue with supporting both IPv4 and IPv6 at the same time for DHSS=true backends | 15:02 |
| vkmc_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| zhongjun | Should we support both 6 and 4 with DHSS=true as initial target | 15:02 |
| bswartz | it's not possible to do it with the current share network design | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so we know that a change to share networks is needed before we can achieve that | 15:03 |
| bswartz | some of us discussed possible approaches (me, tbarron, gouthamr) on Friday | 15:03 |
| zhongjun | link:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391805/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | but I'd like to table that part of the discussion and first make sure we have agreement on our pike goal | 15:04 |
| bswartz | for Pike the plan is to support both IPv4 and IPv6 for dhss=false drivers | 15:04 |
| bswartz | and for dhss=true drivers, either IPv4 or IPv6 should be supported, but not both at the same time | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:05 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: agree | 15:05 |
| * bswartz marks gouthamr tardy :-p | 15:05 | |
| gouthamr | :[ | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | +1 with the proposal | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | I'm pretty sure this is consistent with what we've been planning since ocata, but since zhongjun was confused about it, I wanted to make sure we were all on the same page as a community | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | so if there are no issues there, we can move on to a more contentious topic... | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | not anymore | 15:07 |
| zhongjun | In coat, we planning to support either IPv4 or IPv6 for dhss=false and true :) | 15:07 |
| zhongjun | s/coat/ocata | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun we've always wanted dual support | 15:08 |
| bswartz | it's not hard to achieve for dhss=false | 15:08 |
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| zhongjun | :) +1 | 15:08 |
| bswartz | it is hard for dhss=true, and we haven't had a volunteer to redesign the share networks APIs yet | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | bswartz zhongjun: have we resolved how we'd test it in the gate yet though? | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: 1 job | 15:09 |
| bswartz | both in 1 job I mean | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ipv6 testing would just be a tempest flag | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #topic IDs and instance IDs in the driver interface | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1697581 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697581 in Manila "create snapshot failed due to absent of snapshot['share_id']" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Valeriy Ponomaryov (vponomaryov) | 15:10 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: add a job by vkmc, but not test yet | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433854/12/manila/db/sqlalchemy/models.py | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473864/ | 15:10 |
| bswartz | so there was some driver breakage caused by the share groups DB refactor change that merged | 15:10 |
| bswartz | unfortunately reviewers (me included) did not catch the 3rd party CI failures | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so I'll remind everyone that we should be looking for 3rd party CI failures on changes that can potentially break drivers (especially changes affecting the driver interface) | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | everyone just got used to their failures ) | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | the history here is that when we introduced share instances 2 years ago, we planned to keep them hidden from drivers, and present the instances to drivers as if they were the actual shares | 15:12 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes that's part of the problem -- some CIs were already failing for different reasons so it was impossible to notice that the share groups change broke them | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i had a different way to tell, our DHSS=True driver was always passing :P | 15:14 |
| bswartz | at that time we agreed that the actual share IDs and snapshot IDs (the ones exposed through the REST API) should never be used by the drivers | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | and then consistency_group_xyz (don't remember what) flag for tempest was reused and our manifests weren't updated | 15:14 |
| bswartz | later on then when we added migration and replication we started to bend our own rule | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and now we have a situation where at least 1 driver (ZFS) actually does use the share ID for something | 15:15 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: lol | 15:15 |
| bswartz | there are multiple options to fix this, but we don't seem to agree on which one to pursue | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | i think we need to fix replication and migration if they are the problem areas | 15:16 |
| bswartz | 1) admit defeat and present both share IDs and instance IDs through the driver interface -- this would require changing all the drivers the directly consume the instance IDs instead of the share IDs | 15:16 |
| bswartz | 2) be more strict about never presenting the share IDs to the driver, and fix drivers which currently rely on it | 15:17 |
| bswartz | 3) roll back to the previous state where stuff worked but it was all murky and confusing | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | snapshot['share_id'] has always meant to refer to whatever ID is picked by the driver to refer to shares on their respective drivers... and for a lot of drivers, it's whatever comes as share['id'] in create_share | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | we should keep it that way | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov's bugfix for this patch was the first step in (1), but xyang didn't like it -- AIUI because it would require significant driver changes | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | about 2) this is enforced in code review... | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473864/ is (3) right now | 15:18 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: can ZFS avoid using the snapshot share_id ? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I personally lean towards option (2) | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | but I want to know if anything other than ZFS actually requires the share ID or snapshot ID (not the instance IDs) | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: this driver stores appropriate data for share facade and share instances | 15:19 |
| ganso | bswartz: If I understood correctly, we are broken at this moment, so we need option #1 or #3 to fix | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: stores separate sets of data | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: (3) now and (2) or (1) later | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:20 |
| zhongjun | +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think ZFS could be modified to not rely on the share ID, but it would be a breaking change | 15:20 |
| bswartz | that is, exising replicated shares would probably not survive an upgrade | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | We always use the instance IDs in our driver. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm not aware of any users relying on ZFS fortunately | 15:21 |
| tbarron | do drivers need to log the ID and maybe should present the share ID rather than instance ID in the log? o/w I like #2 | 15:21 |
| tbarron | or is it ok to log instance IDs ... as long as we don't present to end user | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | quick search: the container driver also seems to be using share['share_id'] | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: it doesn't do snapshots )) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | IMO it should be possible for drivers to come up with their own identifier that ties together the various replicas of a share and store that in driver private share data or in the provider location field | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | share_name = share.share_id :| | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | and thus not rely on the share ID to relate different replicas to eachother | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: or replication | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: regarding enforcement of (2) code reviews haven't worked well so I would propose actually modifying the manager to pass down synthetic objects to the drivers instead of the model objects | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | so I'd like to figure out which approach we should pursue | 15:25 |
| bswartz | hopefully nobody is in favor of (1) | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but if you are please speak up | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | I think the question is whether to (2) or (3) or (3) followed by (2) | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | sorry if my usage of numbers is confusing | 15:26 |
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| gouthamr | the latter... so we can evaluate this with more time.. | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | we can't keep being broken at the moment. | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: me, personally, don't see problem with (1) | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, I woudl say (3) then (1) | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: the downside there is that existing drivers need to be modified significantly, and future driver authors see a more complex interface to deal with | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it's hard enough to figure out how to write a manila driver | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: significantly? cannot agree | 15:27 |
| bswartz | adding different kinds of IDs would make that worse IMO | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the problem is that it's hard to be sure you've found every place the IDs is used when doing a field rename | 15:28 |
| bswartz | python is an untyped language so there's no "refactor" button that just works | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | significantly: relative term --- less significantly for someone who wrote multiple first party drivers, more significantly for someone bridging a storage array :D | 15:28 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: +1 | 15:29 |
| bswartz | the other downside of any kind of driver refactor is that it makes backporting bugfixes harder -- so I'd rather not force all the driver to change | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | (3) forever then! )) | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:30 |
| ganso | plus, we've seen the response time of driver updates when we forced everyone to implement update_access... some are still doing it or haven't done it | 15:30 |
| bswartz | well what arguments are there against (2)? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | Are we aware of any cases other than ZFS replication where the share ID actually matters to a driver? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i'm concerned about drivers that use driver-private-data | 15:31 |
| bswartz | if not, then the sole downside to (2) is that we need to modify ZFS replication | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | which brings up another question... | 15:33 |
| bswartz | since vponomaryov won't be maintaining ZfsOnLinux anymore, is there a volunteer to take that over? | 15:33 |
| zhongjun | Do we need to check it again? Some other driver maintainer don't attend this meeting. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: we will double check before introducing any changes, and we can/should look closely at CI systems in any changes that actually remove the share ID or shapshot ID from the objects passed to the drivers | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: what's your concern about private data? | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | private data is meant to make things easier for drivers | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i;m concerned about updates | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | what updates | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | if the driver relies on checking the id from fields that will disappear from resources passed in the driver interface | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | to store things into the driver-private-data, how would we avoid that problem? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: that would count as a driver using those fields, and that's exactly what we're trying to determine | 15:38 |
| bswartz | perhaps we just need to audit the code, but I was looking for anyone that knows of cases already | 15:38 |
| bswartz | because vponomaryov pointed out the ZFS use case | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | container driver refers to shares created with the share ID not the instance ID | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | container driver should be fixed then -- its not like it has a good reason to do that, right? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, compared to ZFS | 15:39 |
| bswartz | can we agree in principle that we will do (3) and then pursue (2) assuming no other difficult cases other than ZFS come up? | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | since there are no volunteers to maintain ZFS I can take a look at that myself | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'm actually a heavy user of ZFS so I'm quite familiar with how it works | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | ZFSonLinux, not Oracle ZFS driver | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: nope, but vponomaryov will help with (3)? | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | (3) is already here -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473864/ | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | just will upload one more patch set | 15:42 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if you read the #manila channel that was discussed already | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: awesome.. thanks. I'll see what needs to be fixed on the NetApp CI to unbreak ourselves | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay it sounds like we have a path forward here | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I'll open up the floor to other topics | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | one note from me | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | Since now, I will be able to spend only my spare time for manila. | 15:44 |
| tbarron | we hope you have lots of spare time | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | ^_^ | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tbarron: +1000 | 15:44 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: and seriously, we hope your non-spare time is rewarding to you! | 15:44 |
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| vponomaryov | )) | 15:44 |
| xyang2 | vponomaryov: that includes saturday, sunday, and every night. lots of time:) | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | reserve some time to argue with ganso and myself. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | in my spare time I've been playing with the neutron l2gw plugin -- it may have some interesting applications for Manila | 15:45 |
| ganso | gouthamr: +1 xD | 15:45 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: you leave big shoes to fill | 15:45 |
| tbarron | xyang2:i see you doing regular work during those times | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: just do your best ) | 15:46 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: right. I sleep during the day:) | 15:46 |
| tbarron | bswartz: 'splain about l2gw | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: and you will see it is not that big | 15:46 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: thanks for all you've done for manila -- we would never have been this successful without your efforts | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: thank you! | 15:46 |
| tbarron | xyang2: i sleep during meetings too | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | thanks guys, it is pleasure to work with all of you | 15:47 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: :) | 15:47 |
| markstur | +1000 | 15:47 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: =) | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | and argue too ^_^ | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/networking-l2gw | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:47 |
| zhongjun | vponomaryov: thank you for review my code. | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-l2gw/readme.html | 15:47 |
| markstur | um the thousand was thanks to VP not in response to Tom's napping in meetings | 15:47 |
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| * tbarron zzz.... | 15:47 | |
| vponomaryov | ganso: where can I take member ticket to closed club of retired manila devs? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | ^ this neutron plugin allows you to take a neutron network and extend it to an external VLAN network | 15:48 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: haha I'll email it to you :P | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | http://livinglifeph.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/metro-manila-retirement-hoppler-1.jpg | 15:50 |
| bswartz | tbarron: it's primarily of interest to dhss=true drivers | 15:50 |
| ganso | gouthamr: ROFL | 15:50 |
| markstur | looks nice :) | 15:50 |
| tbarron | bswartz: with off-cloud appliances, to help integrate them into neutron, right? | 15:50 |
| * bswartz doesn't want to live in the Philippines | 15:50 | |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: yep.. | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: that's the use case I'm interested in | 15:51 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I"m just calling that out b/c there may be some other appliances that have similar needs | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yes that's why I'm mentioning it too | 15:52 |
| tbarron | and may share your interest | 15:52 |
| bswartz | currently the netapp driver has awkward requirements to be able to run in dhss=true mode | 15:52 |
| bswartz | the l2gw stuff may allow us to relax the requirements and work in more use cases | 15:53 |
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| gouthamr | i guess every dhss=true driver in the tree, unless they natively support vxlan | 15:53 |
| markstur | http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles37329.jpg | 15:53 |
| markstur | bswartz: You can retire in Manila, Arkansas ^ | 15:53 |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | hahahaha | 15:54 |
| bswartz | North Carolina is fine with me | 15:54 |
| tbarron | manila phillipines is probably safer | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: "cry me a river"? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | Speaking of shared interests, I'm starting to research "instance HA" for service VMs since as manila uses them currently they are a SPOF in the data path | 15:54 |
| tbarron | if anyone else is looking at this please ping me | 15:54 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: :) | 15:55 |
| bswartz | tbarron: related to that -- does anyone know anything about neutron "service" networks? | 15:55 |
| zhongjun | tbarron: Is there some links about that? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I'm not even sure what they're called in neutron or if they exist | 15:56 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: not really that I know of, maybe I'll start a wiki or blog ... | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | certainly not called service-networks.. what are you thinking about? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | networks that have ports on the control nodes | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | so m-shr could SSH to a service_instance through that port, for example | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: common network for service needs that is available from hosts/controllers/compute nodes | 15:57 |
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| vponomaryov | gouthamr: but not exposed to users | 15:57 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: did you ever find any concrete information on that? | 15:57 |
| tbarron | bswartz: on that subject I've thought that maybe a bridge on the control node plus an admin/service-user-owned neutron net conncected to that bridge may do what is needed | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no | 15:57 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:57 |
| bswartz | so that remains an area to research | 15:58 |
| tbarron | yeah, that's the other are of service instance module that really needs attention I think | 15:58 |
| tbarron | besides the instance HA area | 15:58 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the important thing would be neutron APIs to set that up though | 15:58 |
| tbarron | how to get connectivity to SVMs w/o the @#$#@$ layer 2 stitching that we have to do now | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, agree on the APIs | 15:59 |
| bswartz | if it's not supported by neutron then it would be no better than the hack currently used by the generic driver | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thank you all | 15:59 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bye | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 15 15:59:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | \o | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-15-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-15-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-15-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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