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edleafe#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 19 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler'14:00
mriedemo/14:00
edleafeGood UGT morning! Who's here?14:00
alex_xuo/14:00
dtantsuro/14:00
edleafeI know that cdent is on PTO. jaypipes, dansmith - around?14:01
jaypipesedleafe: yeah. currently replying to your email.14:01
dansmithin another meeting, but yes14:01
edleafecool. Let's start14:02
edleafe#topic Specs & Reviews14:02
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edleafe#link Nested Resources: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415920/14:02
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edleafeNot much action on this in the past week14:02
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edleafeProbably because of the focus on this:14:03
edleafe#link Alternate Allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473377/14:03
edleafe#link Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471927/14:03
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edleafeI posted an email about clarifying where this is headed14:03
edleafe#link email thread on direction: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118572.html14:03
edleafeI thought we'd discuss it in Open Discussion14:04
edleafe#link project_id and user_id in PUT /allocations: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469634/14:04
edleafeBoth patches in that series need a second +214:04
edleafe#link Delete all inventory: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460147/14:05
edleafeAfter a lot of back-and-forth, this looks ready; needs some +2s14:05
edleafe#link Placement API ref docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/placement-api-ref+status:open14:05
edleafeThe list is getting shorter! Great work there!14:06
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edleafeAny other specs or reviews anyone wants to discuss?14:06
jaypipesedleafe: I'll be pushing the next in the allocation candidates series shortly..14:07
jaypipesedleafe: have the REST API part done.14:07
jaypipesedleafe: then moving on to scheduler.14:07
edleafejaypipes: that's great14:07
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edleafeMoving on...14:08
edleafe#topic Bugs14:08
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edleafe#link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement14:08
edleafeOne new bug reported last week; status is still undecided14:08
edleafeAny other bug-related issues?14:09
* bauzas waves late because daughter to pick at school14:09
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edleafeOK, on to...14:11
edleafe#topic Open discussion14:11
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edleafeThe main topic is Jay's patch for "alternate" allocations. It is still unclear to many of us what the end game is here, so I started the email thread linked above.14:11
edleafeI think that if that's clearer, we can all help push it forward more quickly, without the uncertainty of wondering if a change is what is needed.14:12
bauzasedleafe: hah, still 9 years to await for her then :)14:12
jaypipesedleafe: I highly doubt that.14:12
mriedemedleafe: the email confused me14:12
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bauzasso, the first prio of prios for our scheduler prio is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473377/ right?14:12
mriedemthe "existing flow" i mean14:12
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edleafemriedem: yeah, I realized I should have said "the original plan"14:13
edleafeor something like that14:13
mriedemedleafe: the "current flow" in your email is really talking about the series of proposed changes before the allocation candidates stuff right?14:13
mriedemok14:13
mriedembecause current flow for changes not yet merged is confusing :)14:13
edleafemea culpa14:14
edleafebut to be fair, I wrote that this morning while still on my first pot of coffee14:14
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edleafeso be thankful that it makes any sense at all :)14:14
edleafeIAC, it would be much easier for me to review these things if I had an understanding of the end game14:17
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mriedem"Scheduler then runs this data through the filters and weighers. No HostState objects are required, as the data structures will contain all the information that scheduler will need."14:17
jaypipesedleafe: k, replied to your ML post.14:18
mriedemis ^ in the spec? i haven't read the spec, but i assume we'll still be creating HostState objects14:18
mriedemb/c the scheduler code is working on those types of objects, not dicts14:18
jaypipesmriedem: no.14:18
edleafemriedem: eventually we are getting rid of HostState14:18
jaypipesmriedem: we'll still need host state objects for some things I'm sure, because Placement isn't going to be responsible for a bunch of things like thermal sensor metrics that operators insisted on being able to weigh hosts with.14:21
edleafeoh14:22
edleafeand I thought they were going away14:22
edleafewhich is why we couldn't include nested resource UUIDs in them14:22
bauzasI need to look at the ML post14:22
edleafeguess I better read Jay's reply before I say anything else :)14:23
bauzasI haven't read it yet14:23
edleafeSo unless there is anything else for open discussion, I suggest we continue this on the ML and possibly in -nova14:23
mriedemi'm ready to +2 jay's bottom allocation candidates change,14:23
jaypipesedleafe: good with me. I need to get back to the patches anyway.14:23
mriedemjust waiting for comments to be addressed, which it sounds like he is14:23
edleafeok, thanks all!14:24
edleafe#endmeeting14:24
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dave-mccowan#startmeeting barbican20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 19 20:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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dave-mccowan#topic roll call20:00
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dave-mccowano/20:00
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dave-mccowan#topic Pike Status20:03
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dave-mccowanreminder: July 24 is Milestone-3 (and release date for libraries)20:03
dave-mccowanif you can help with any open features, please let me know:20:04
dave-mccowanJuly 24 is Milestone-3 (and release date for libraries)20:04
dave-mccowanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike20:04
dave-mccowan#topic wait to see if anyone else joins....20:04
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dave-mccowanhi kfarr!20:05
dave-mccowanit's just us now20:05
dave-mccowan#topic pike status20:06
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dave-mccowanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-pike20:06
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dave-mccowanis there anything left in Pike that are working (or can work) on?20:06
kfarrHmm that looks like it to me20:07
dave-mccowanfor summit workshop, we carried a couple patches to python-barbicanclient.  do you know which ones they are?  i'd like for those to be submitted.20:08
kfarrFor the most recent one?20:08
kfarrOr the first one?20:08
dave-mccowaneither one.  i think they both had the same patches.  (names of fields for example)20:08
kfarrI remember in the first workshop in Barcelona, we carried through some patches for the ID field20:08
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kfarrI was looking through the mailing list today for unrelated things, and I saw this message:20:10
kfarrhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118146.html20:10
kfarrand this one20:11
kfarrhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118140.html20:11
kfarrDid we ever get those releases?20:11
dave-mccowankfarr thanks, yes i did both of those releases (right after i saw the email) :-)20:11
kfarrAh ok good :)20:12
dave-mccowanhttps://review.openstack.org/388267  <--  field names20:12
dave-mccowanhttps://review.openstack.org/388981 <-- --file parameter20:12
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dave-mccowando you think we can and should push for those to merge?20:13
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kfarrDo you think redrobot will work on them anymore?20:15
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dave-mccowani think he can help review, but i don't think he'll have time to work on them directly before pike-3.20:16
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dave-mccowani'll reach out to nam and jeremy to see if they can help.20:18
dave-mccowanis there anything else you want to discuss?20:19
dave-mccowanhave you decided on PTG yet?20:19
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kfarrI might be going!20:20
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dave-mccowancool!  i hope we can put together a good agenda.20:20
dave-mccowanlast i talked with the security team, they hadn't come up with a group going for sure.20:20
dave-mccowanthat's all i have for today.  i'll be out the next two mondays.  not sure if we'll have enough barbicaneers to hold this meeting.20:22
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dave-mccowanthanks for joining.  :-)20:22
dave-mccowan#endmeeting20:23
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Jun 19 20:23:02 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)20:23
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-19-20.00.html20:23
kfarrOkk, I'll gone next week, too20:23
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-19-20.00.txt20:23
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-06-19-20.00.log.html20:23
kfarrthanks dave-mccowan !20:23
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leong#startmeeting product_working_group21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 19 21:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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rocky_go/21:00
shamailHi21:01
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leong_#chair shamail21:01
AndyUHi all  o/21:02
leong_having problem.. was kicked out now rejoining as a different user21:02
shamail:(21:02
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rocky_gouch.  been there. done that21:02
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Arkady_Kanevskyhello PWG21:03
leong_hi all21:03
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leong_#topic rollcall21:03
shamailHere21:03
Arkady_KanevskyArkady present21:03
leong_oh man.. seems like i lost the chair control21:03
shamailYeah21:03
rocky_gup to shamail  then21:04
rocky_gor to guve the new leong_ chair, also21:04
shamailI don't have it either I think21:04
rocky_gYou should.21:04
shamail#chair leong21:04
AndyUor we give each other the day off :)21:04
leong_i was "just" kicked out prior to adding shamail as chair21:05
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shamailYeah21:05
rocky_goh.  Dang!21:05
shamailAnyways, let's proceed :)21:05
rocky_gInfra could fix it., but is it worth it?  Let's just go on and have them end the session at the close.21:05
shamailrocky_g: +121:06
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leongyeah.. i am back :)21:06
rocky_gyay!21:06
leong#chair shamail21:06
openstackCurrent chairs: leong shamail21:06
leongyeah!21:07
leongfix that21:07
leonghaha21:07
shamailSweet21:07
leong#Rollcall21:07
shamailHere21:07
leongsorry for the hiccup, i believe we have quorum...21:07
leongby the way, i have to jump at half hour... so need shamail to chair21:08
leongtoday agenda can be found here21:08
leong#link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team21:08
leong#topic Review of action items21:08
shamailI can chair after 5:30P ET21:08
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Arkady_KanevskyAndy and I had a meeting and are working on wiki change proposal.21:08
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Arkady_KanevskyWe do want to bring a few things for discussion.21:09
Arkady_KanevskyCan do a couple of them today.21:09
leonggo ahead!21:09
mrhillsmano/21:10
Arkady_Kanevsky1. We do not explicitly state in our objective to coordinate overlaps of requirements between multupel user groups.21:10
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Arkady_Kanevskysuggest we add that in objective as part of •Gather data/requirements from other working groups;21:10
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rocky_g+121:11
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Arkady_Kanevskyall working groups21:11
shamail+121:11
leong+121:12
Arkady_Kanevsky2. We do not state in objective that •Work with the UC, TC and Board to prioritize platform-wide objectives based on User priorities21:12
Arkady_KanevskyIf we have agreemnt we will add #1 in objective change as part of proposal.21:12
AndyUIf it makes this any easier I have some slides I've been working on here which convey some of the thoughts Arkady is sharing: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FWuIModYuIxNOYFne7y-yfF70UDKOMQ2JEUeEwTtt20/edit?usp=sharing21:12
Arkady_KanevskyReady for comments on #221:12
leong#agreed: explicitly state in our objective to coordinate overlaps of requirements between multiple user groups as as part of "Gather data/requirements from other working groups"21:12
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Arkady_Kanevskyany feedback on #2?21:13
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leongfor #2, i believe we need to bring that up for discussion at UC?21:14
rocky_gI think it provides the biggest bang for the work.21:14
Arkady_KanevskyLike that. Should we add it to UWG agenda for mid cycle21:14
leongTom talked about the feature triage before..21:14
Arkady_Kanevskyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup21:14
Arkady_KanevskyFeature triage falls into gap analysis part of workflow.21:15
leongArkady_Kanevsky: would you be attending the MEX OPS, if yes, can you bring that up?21:15
Arkady_KanevskyThat is 1M$ question.21:16
* shamail will not be there21:16
* leong will not be there either... 21:16
Arkady_KanevskyI had sent email to see who will be coming to ops summit and who to PTG.21:16
leongthanks Arkady_Kanevsky for the email...:) so far i haven't seen much replied yet21:16
Arkady_KanevskyIt does not look like we will have quorum for PWG on either of them.21:16
rocky_gAlso, if you look at the Public Cloud Providers WG, they have the requirements (missing functionality) identified without the stories.  So, they have the gaps.  I think most of the WGs could do that21:16
AndyUMy status for both is still unknown21:17
shamailFeature triage is requirement gathering centric21:17
rocky_gmine is very iffy.21:17
Arkady_KanevskyI will attend one of them. Still deciding which one is the right one.21:17
leongshamail: +121:17
leongArkady_Kanevsky: can we push #2 to next week discussion?21:17
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Arkady_KanevskyTom is the only one responded that he is going to Mexico21:18
shamailleong: +121:18
Arkady_KanevskyAgree to psotpone till next week.21:18
Arkady_KanevskyBut I will miss next week as I will be on a plane21:18
Arkady_KanevskyAndy can drive #2 next week21:18
shamailOk21:19
rocky_gAlso, a point of information:  The PCPWG spreadsheet:  #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA/edit?usp=sharing)21:19
leongcool21:19
leong#info to follow up the discussion in next week Agenda on objective that Work with the UC, TC and Board to prioritize platform-wide objectives based on User priorities21:19
Arkady_KanevskyI suggest we add #3 into the same agenda: #3•Periodic coordination/collaboration across WGs/Product Managers21:19
rocky_g++21:19
leongArkady_Kanevsky: that's on weekly agenda :)21:19
leonglet's move on.. any one got a chance to review the Moderator Guide?21:20
Arkady_KanevskyIt is not listed in obejctives on wiki.21:20
Arkady_Kanevskynot me.21:20
rocky_gI just did a quick pass.  Will need to go deeper.21:21
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leongok.. please spend some time to review and provide feedback to mrhillsman and AndyU21:21
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leong#action all to review Moderator Guide and provide feedback to mrhillsman and AndyU21:21
Arkady_Kanevsky+121:21
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mrhillsmansorry had to step away for a quick moment21:21
mrhillsmanback21:21
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leongso for the PTG and Mex-Ops meetup, i believe we might not have enough quorum to host that meeting21:22
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Arkady_Kanevskyagree, unless we hear otherwise21:23
leongmy suggestion is NOT having F2F meetup this time (both PTG and Mex-OPS)21:23
leonglet's wait for another week and see if there is any more reply to the email21:23
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Arkady_KanevskyBoard meeting will be colocated with PTG. with several important topics on agenda.21:23
Arkady_Kanevskyleong +121:23
rocky_g++, Arkady_Kanevsky21:23
leong#agreed wait for another week from email feedback, next week to finalize if we need to host f2f meetup at PTG or Mex-Ops21:24
shamailleong: +121:24
leongshamail: can you take on the chair from here? I got to leave in 5 mins...21:24
shamailSure21:24
AndyUIf we don't have a f2f this time, will the next opportunity be outside of North America?21:24
leong#link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team21:24
leongAndyU: i am not sure...maybe21:25
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leongshamail: pls go ahead :)21:25
Arkady_KanevskyNext one can be is Sidney as part of forum21:25
shamailSounds good21:25
AndyUMight be even harder to get quorum then.21:25
shamailArkady_Kanevsky: +121:25
mrhillsmanF2F via Zoom?21:26
shamailThat could be possible21:26
mrhillsman:)21:26
AndyUmrhillsmann +11121:26
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Arkady_KanevskyIf we cannot get quorum then we should propose merging several of UWGs into one.21:26
AndyUI believe we would benefit from beginning to use web meetings at least occasionally21:26
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Arkady_KanevskySkype works also21:26
mrhillsmanagreed21:26
shamail#action We could possibly conduct midcycle via Teleconference solution... need to mail ML to determine interest.21:27
Arkady_KanevskyAndy and I used skype for business and it worked well.21:27
mrhillsmanskype does work...if wanting to do zoom, i have a pro account i do not plan on getting rid of for the foreseeable future21:27
mrhillsmani think zoom free limits time or something21:27
shamailWe can discuss further after we can determine whether people would attend.21:27
mrhillsmanbut whatever works21:27
leongif only voice needed, we can provide the dialing bridge with global dial-in number, not a problem :)21:28
Arkady_Kanevskyemail discussion it it21:28
AndyUFWIW, Atlassian will provide a free "Hipchat" account which include individual and group video chat.21:28
shamailIt's a good suggestion in my opinion21:28
mrhillsman+121:28
shamailNext topic?21:28
shamail#topic Development Proposals review21:28
Arkady_Kanevskyyes21:28
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shamail#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/development-proposals+status:open21:28
Arkady_KanevskyI need more time to review existing+wip proposals21:29
shamailHave people had a chance to review the open proposals yet? We had an action item to discuss which ones (if any) might be ready to discuss with project teams21:29
shamailSame here Arkady_Kanevsky21:29
rocky_gI'm in the same boat...21:30
leongbaremetal is ongoing...21:30
shamailAlright, if people are okay then I'll defer this until a future meeting?21:30
Arkady_Kanevskyhttps://github.com/openstack/development-proposals/tree/master/development-proposals/proposed - proposal page21:30
leongalready started discussion with project teams on baremetal21:30
leongshamail +121:30
rocky_gAny way we can prioritize and mayb do a couple or three per week?21:30
shamailThanks leong21:30
shamailrocky_g: +121:31
rocky_gIdentify them first week, discuss second.21:31
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Arkady_KanevskyI will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411140/. Glad to see it was updated21:31
* leong sneaking out the meeting room.. will check the irc logs later 21:31
rocky_gSo, defined homework instead of vague, large, and fuzzy21:31
shamail#action Build a plan to breakdown proposal readiness assessment process21:31
shamail#info Discussion on which proposals are ready to be discussed with project teams has been deferred for a future session21:32
shamail#topic hashtag analysis21:32
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shamailHas anyone looked at the hashtags data yet for insights?21:32
Arkady_Kanevskystill on my todo list.21:33
shamailThis one might require a similar approach (break down the work and make weekly progress)21:33
Arkady_KanevskyMaybe we should hijack this meeting in the future to do that work as the group21:33
shamailArkady_Kanevsky: +121:33
mrhillsmansame, still on todo list21:33
mrhillsman+121:33
shamail#info Hashtag analysis has not started, need to break down the work and use WG meetings for making progress21:34
rocky_gArkady_Kanevsky, exactly.  So the aganda for next meeting is what we put on for us to review and consider during the week.  Then the discussion of those at that next meeting21:34
AndyU<sigh> not me either21:34
shamailrocky_g: +121:34
shamail#topic PWG Review21:34
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shamailDisclaimer: This topic isn't meant to be resolved today but just framing a conversation that we need to have in the near future21:35
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shamailWe had numerous discussions last week (Rocky and I, Leong and I, etc) about how to handle our scope given the limited active members in the team21:36
Arkady_KanevskyShamail, you think we can do lighter proposal creation process? or ost of driving proposal thru execution?21:37
shamailWe should take time as a WG to determine if we are still effective in our role and, if not, how can we become more effective21:37
shamail(This is the homework assignment, to think about your answer to this question)21:37
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Arkady_KanevskyThis is releated to one itme we pickedc form wiki review21:38
rocky_gYup.  Item 221:38
Arkady_Kanevskyto fill any necessary resource gaps for proposals.21:38
rocky_gIt seems to me that user groups are building up, but we are not21:38
Arkady_KanevskyI do not beleive we no longer can deliver it21:38
rocky_gWe can use the user groups to provide their view of the gaps.21:38
Arkady_Kanevskyrocky_g - agree21:38
shamailMaybe Arkady_Kanevsky but i would broaden the scope even further and ask whether we should create a proposal framework and help other teams create and manage their own proposals with PWG helping them or should we still be the team that drafts and prioritizes?21:38
rocky_gThat will give us multiple verticals.  We would be liaisons to the User groups.21:39
Arkady_Kanevskyso what will be out mission and deliverables?21:39
rocky_gThen, we do analysis of what is in multiple gaps docs.21:39
rocky_gAnd that is what we drive through devs21:39
shamailFor this week, let's not discuss solutions yet but think about whether we agree that there is an issue here for us to resolve and B) what are some ways we can adapt to address any issues21:40
AndyUShamail - IMO we should be the team that helps other teams create and manage their own proposals21:40
mrhillsman+1 shamail21:40
shamailAndyU: +1 imo21:40
Arkady_Kanevskywe will loose roadmaps and critical value we provide to openstack users21:40
shamail#action Everyone think about the scope, processes, and team resources of the PWG and we can discuss what's awesome, what's okay, and what's broken in a future meeting (along with brainstorming solutions)21:41
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Arkady_Kanevsky+121:41
shamailArkady_Kanevsky: the roadmap team could become stand-alone like the User Survey team potentially :P21:41
shamailAnyways, look forward to your insights and suggestions!21:42
shamail#topic Opens21:42
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shamailThe floor is now open :)21:42
shamailAnyone have additional topics?21:42
Arkady_Kanevskynone from me. will use 20 min to review proposals.21:43
shamailGreat idea :)21:43
shamailGoing once...21:43
shamailtwice...21:43
shamailTake care everyone!21:43
AndyUThat last action item would be a good subject for trying out having web meetings (zoom, skype, whatever)21:43
AndyU;)21:43
Arkady_Kanevskythanks everybody21:43
shamailAndyU: +121:43
mrhillsmanagreed21:43
rocky_gCool.  Thanks.  Lotsnof different approaches.21:43
mrhillsmanjust a reminder21:43
mrhillsmanwrong window :)21:44
rocky_gmrhillsman, i'd like to see how a switch to SIGs would affect our decision21:44
shamail#agree We can discuss PWG retrospective in video conference midcycle (if we have one)21:44
AndyUheh...21:44
mrhillsmanwell21:44
mrhillsmansince you asked21:44
mrhillsmanright window21:44
mrhillsman#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gTeN5ZB2AnPPXejXOm08sQ75Fc-cMs-x-dOGwfsyM8w/edit#heading=h.kx0vp5ot98rv21:44
mrhillsmanthat is the SIG proposal21:44
mrhillsmanI added some thoughts again today21:45
shamail#action Please review https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gTeN5ZB2AnPPXejXOm08sQ75Fc-cMs-x-dOGwfsyM8w/edit#heading=h.kx0vp5ot98rv21:45
mrhillsmanany of you are welcome to pitch in21:45
mrhillsmanthere is a comment around your concern rocky_g as well21:45
rocky_gFunny.  I'm anonymous moose, but I am SQIRREL!21:45
rocky_gcool.21:45
shamaillol21:45
shamailAlright, take care all.21:45
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rocky_gThanks!21:46
shamail#endmeeting21:46
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AndyUbye21:46
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