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| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 11:01 |
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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 12:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:01 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:01 |
| jpena | o/ | 12:01 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:02 |
| toabctl | as usual , please add your topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 12:03 |
| toabctl | ok. let's start | 12:07 |
| toabctl | #topic openSUSE and new python3 default | 12:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openSUSE and new python3 default (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:07 | |
| toabctl | cousin_luigi, is that from you? | 12:07 |
| cousin_luigi | toabctl: Yes. | 12:07 |
| cousin_luigi | I've just read the transcript from 2 weeks ago and I see you've already discussed it. | 12:08 |
| * toabctl was not attending that meeting... | 12:08 | |
| cousin_luigi | The provides: python2- thing is going to make more harm than good in TW at this point. | 12:08 |
| cousin_luigi | Not sure if it has been implemented at all. | 12:09 |
| cousin_luigi | I mean, TW is switching to python3 as default and packages will be named python- and python2- respectively. | 12:09 |
| cousin_luigi | I don't have solutions to propose, so I guess my intervention is over. | 12:10 |
| toabctl | cousin_luigi, I think the package names will be python2- and python3- but python3- provides python- | 12:10 |
| cousin_luigi | Aha. | 12:10 |
| toabctl | jpena, sorry for asking again, but is there anything happening in fedora land in regard to the singlespec approach? | 12:11 |
| jpena | toabctl: no news :-/ | 12:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, python3 going to be default? | 12:11 |
| cousin_luigi | IgorYozhikov: According to jan matejek yes. | 12:11 |
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| cousin_luigi | I see dirk mentioned a --flavor singlespec, was that just brainstorming? | 12:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 12:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | might be will be more flexible to add extra key for singlespec | 12:13 |
| cousin_luigi | IgorYozhikov: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/Switching-default-python-to-Python-3-td5089794.html | 12:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | sorry, flavor is it | 12:14 |
| toabctl | next topic? | 12:15 |
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| toabctl | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 12:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:19 | |
| toabctl | I guess dirk and me need to go over the SUSE CI failures. | 12:20 |
| toabctl | anything specific somebody wants to talk about? | 12:20 |
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| * IgorYozhikov doing review | 12:22 | |
| IgorYozhikov | why not to propose this patch to upstream code ? - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469589/11/openstack/networking-vsphere/0001-fix-dvs-agent-config.patch | 12:27 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, ask in the review :) | 12:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | will do | 12:28 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, btw. it is upstream proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468849/ | 12:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | Good | 12:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | if it will be landed, patch in package will be not necessary | 12:30 |
| toabctl | but it did not land yet. adding patches like this is what we usually do. no? | 12:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, not sure, but we can within current released code | 12:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | agree | 12:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | and will remove it for next release if code will be landed | 12:33 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | hi dirk :) | 12:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | OpenFloor? | 12:37 |
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| toabctl | #topic open floor | 12:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:41 | |
| toabctl | anything else to discuss? | 12:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | not sure, continue reviewing | 12:42 |
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| toabctl | ok. then let's end the meeting here. | 12:44 |
| toabctl | thanks everybody | 12:44 |
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| toabctl | #endmeeting | 12:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 12:44:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.html | 12:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.txt | 12:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-06-29-12.01.log.html | 12:44 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 15:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| kaisers_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Argh! No pewp bot here. | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:01 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: the bot still isn't in this channel | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| gouthamr | we've our first action item | 15:01 |
| bswartz | so this is week R-9 | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | gouthamr: Already done. I pinged Walt. | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we're 4 weeks from feature freeze, 2 weeks from feature proposal freeze | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | jungleboyj: nice :) | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | next week I think we should consider canceling this meeting | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I personally won't be able to make it | 15:02 |
| zhongjun | why | 15:02 |
| bswartz | and I imagine some of you will be on vacation | 15:02 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: US Holiday | 15:03 |
| zhongjun | Oh, Happy US Holiday | 15:03 |
| jungleboyj | We celebrate our country by blowing up parts of it. | 15:03 |
| bswartz | that being said, if someone wants to run the meeting in my absence, that would be fine | 15:03 |
| bswartz | everyone think cancelling next week makes sense? | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:05 |
| dustins | Works for me | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:05 |
| bswartz | let's move on to the agenda then | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic Revisit priorities for Pike | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Revisit priorities for Pike (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
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| bswartz | so as zhongjun has pointed out to me, we have a lot of patches that aren't getting reviews | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | we've lost some core reviewers and others have had to decrease their involvement | 15:06 |
| zhongjun | I pointed out to a few guys :) Sorry for bother your guys :) | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I think it makes sense to take a look at the list of approved spec and reconsider if we really want to keep them all targeted for Pike or whether some should be pushed | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/manila-specs/ | 15:08 |
| bswartz | also we have to consider new drivers | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | We did it when we review specs | 15:09 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: yes we drew a cut line when we reviewed and approved specs at milestone 1 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | now we have less resources than we did at that time, it makes sense to cut deeper | 15:09 |
| bswartz | the alternative is to just keep the list as it is and people will review what they're able to and the rest will slip by accident | 15:10 |
| bswartz | my priority continues to be ipv6 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | let's take a quick look at the others and see where they stand | 15:11 |
| bswartz | the share groups quota work is done and ready for review | 15:12 |
| bswartz | it's a 1000 line patch | 15:12 |
| bswartz | the ceilometer integration has 3 +2s | 15:13 |
| tbarron | i think it's ready for workflow, anyone have issues with that? | 15:13 |
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| zhongjun | It is not have tempest test | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | I am not sure is it ok for this | 15:13 |
| bswartz | how do you tempest test something with no API impact? | 15:14 |
| tbarron | zhongjun: so we have asked what sort of tempest test is right for this? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | it needs some kind of functional test, but tempest seems like the wrong place | 15:14 |
| tbarron | we don't want to break manila tempest b/c of test on ceilometer behavior | 15:14 |
| tbarron | is there black box behavior to test here? | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | API: create share.. then maybe get RPC message | 15:15 |
| tbarron | that's not black box | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron it could be done | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we could install a special listener that tempest can talk to | 15:15 |
| bswartz | then send and API, and check that the listener got the message it wanted | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | that would treat manila like a black box | 15:16 |
| tbarron | I don't necessarily object, but is this a good use of our resources for this one? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the main hurdle would be adding the text fixture to listen | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | But I am not have strong idea for tempest test | 15:16 |
| tbarron | I worry about us slipping into pedantry. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'm curious how other projects test notifications | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | just through it out | 15:16 |
| bswartz | if they have tests at all, they may have code we could borrow | 15:17 |
| tbarron | sure | 15:17 |
| bswartz | if they don't have tests, then maybe there's a good reason for it | 15:17 |
| bswartz | (or maybe it's just laziness) | 15:17 |
| tbarron | cinder doesn't have tests for this, I looked | 15:17 |
| tbarron | but that doesn't answer the question | 15:17 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:17 |
| tbarron | anyways, we digress from your main question. | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: We can borrow from you when you are done. | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | we should add the manila tests and then go back and add cinder ones | 15:18 |
| * gouthamr runs | 15:18 | |
| bswartz | I don't want to spend much time on this topic, but yes some kind of functional testing is desired | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | i agree this can't be tested from manila_tempest_tests | 15:18 |
| bswartz | since it's not a straightforward tempest test to add, we might punt until later | 15:18 |
| bswartz | let's move on | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ensure share has a patch | 15:19 |
| bswartz | it's 336 lines and failing jenkins | 15:19 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: how high of a priority is this one for you? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457545/ | 15:19 |
| zhongjun | ipv6 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | it's not essential | 15:20 |
| bswartz | for ipv6 | 15:20 |
| zhongjun | wait a minute | 15:20 |
| zhongjun | like filter: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462468/ gathering usage size https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465055/ ipv6 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406776/ ensure share https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457545/ | 15:21 |
| bswartz | it's nice to have because of the ability to just add a ipv6 export to an existing share, but it's not required for ipv6 | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | my list | 15:21 |
| bswartz | is that in priority order (your priorities)? | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | yes | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:21 |
| bswartz | let's cover like filter | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 230 lines and failing jenkins | 15:22 |
| bswartz | looks like gate-manila-tempest-minimal-dsvm-dummy-ubuntu-xenial failed | 15:22 |
| bswartz | it was passing earlier today | 15:22 |
| bswartz | maybe a recent change broke it | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I agree this should be an easy one | 15:23 |
| tommylikehu | most of the codes looks good and we already have this feature in cinder. So I guess we can spend some time to make it right? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | for the sake of getting things off the plate, let's prioritize reviews of this smaller patch | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: please rebase that patch on top of the export-locations filter patch... | 15:23 |
| zhongjun | yes, I submit one in my home, The jenkins is correct befor | 15:23 |
| zhongjun | before | 15:23 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:24 |
| bswartz | usage reporting | 15:24 |
| bswartz | just 62 lines | 15:24 |
| bswartz | have any drivers implemented this? | 15:24 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: no drivers | 15:25 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | we need first party driver support for this at least | 15:25 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: dummy driver :) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | dummy driver must support EVERYTHING | 15:26 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we need actual functional support in a real driver | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | it should be easy to add it to lvm or generic | 15:26 |
| bswartz | if it's not easy, then that tells us something about the feature | 15:27 |
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| zhongjun | yes, add it in lvm | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | ipv6 is very important, and I think if anything of zhongjun's should not make it in pike, it should be the ensure share stuff, we can put that at the bottom of the list | 15:28 |
| bswartz | there are 2 other specs | 15:28 |
| bswartz | share type quotas | 15:28 |
| tbarron | that one is quite far along | 15:28 |
| bswartz | it's partly merged | 15:28 |
| tbarron | but gouthamr and vponmaryov have to have a meeting of the minds | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | currently there's a 2249 line patch | 15:28 |
| tbarron | so it could be a while :) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | vponmaryov isn't here today unfortunately | 15:29 |
| * tbarron is really just joking on that last remark | 15:29 | |
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| bswartz | gouthamr might need to make the changes he wants himself | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | one sided fight this | 15:29 |
| zhongjun | ipv6 also important for us | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I feel like the type quotas is more or less done | 15:30 |
| bswartz | we need to settle the open debate | 15:30 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: disagreements like the one in that patch should be put on meeting agendas so we can address them | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | i thought we did that last week | 15:30 |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: both patches :) | 15:30 |
| bswartz | okay I'll have to read the history because I don't remember this one specifically | 15:31 |
| bswartz | lastly, the user messages spec | 15:31 |
| bswartz | it has a raft of patches associated with it | 15:31 |
| jprovazn | yea, though only the first one is bigger | 15:32 |
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| gouthamr | i was testing that one last night.. ^ | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | i'll wrap up my review today | 15:32 |
| bswartz | jprovazn: is it "done" as far as you're concerned? | 15:32 |
| jprovazn | yes, I think it's good to be merged | 15:32 |
| tbarron | we do have a pedantic microversion issue to work out | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | jprovazn zhongjun: there'll be a merge conflict on export-locations and user-messages, | 15:32 |
| tbarron | but it's good to go otherwise | 15:33 |
| bswartz | tbarron: what is that? | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | jprovazn: why don't you answer? | 15:33 |
| jprovazn | sec, let me send a link to the comment about microversion | 15:33 |
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| zhongjun | gouthamr: yes | 15:33 |
| tommylikehu | guess which one get merged earlier | 15:33 |
| jprovazn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471438/8/manila/api/v2/messages.py | 15:33 |
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| jprovazn | so I split out user messages stuff into more patches | 15:34 |
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| jprovazn | the thing is that sorting patch changes api introduced in the first "big" user messages patch | 15:34 |
| bswartz | okay so is the underlying issue the authorship? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | because that's easily solved with a Co-Authored-By line in the commit | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: you shouldn't need to microversion changes to teh API that will land back-to-back | 15:35 |
| jprovazn | bswartz, yes, authorship is the main reason | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: the same API* | 15:35 |
| jprovazn | if you really want, I can squash both patches together | 15:35 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: actually that's the whole point of microversions (as opposed to versioning the API by release) | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | something about user messages and authorship in openstack | 15:36 |
| bswartz | 2 patches that both change the API should have 2 version bumps | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: what.. but they're only split for logical reasons | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: we've certainly done that before | 15:36 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: nobody else knows that | 15:36 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: other splits have been done in ways such that only 1 patch actually changes the API | 15:37 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: Do you mean user message's APIs? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | the underlying assumption of microversions, is that someone might deploy any given commit from master | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: yes | 15:37 |
| bswartz | we all know that fairly unrealistic, but the community seems to stand by this assumption | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | so rather than waste too many cycles on this probably we should just squash? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i don't agree.. this confuses users... when patch 1 merges, we'll logically merge the follow on patch too | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I would say +1 for squash | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | solve the authorship problem with a Co-Authored-By line | 15:38 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: If it will be merged at the same manila version, then it is ok. | 15:38 |
| jprovazn | ACK, I'll squash them | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | not opposed to squashing them.. | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I'm confident that ameade has already forgotten about this patch | 15:38 |
| tbarron | doing the extra microversioning on this to meet a formal rule is a waste of resources | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ameade: ;-) | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | + | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | 1 | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | ameade whoo | 15:39 |
| markstur | don't poke ameade. he might show up | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | ikr | 15:39 |
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| ganso | tbarron: +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | okay so hopefully this one will be ready for merge after the squash happens | 15:39 |
| ameade | boo! | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | gah! | 15:40 |
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| jungleboyj | Ahhhhh! | 15:40 |
| markstur | ameade: lol. hi | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ameade: risen again | 15:40 |
| ameade | too busy to read what yall are talking about lol | 15:40 |
| jprovazn | ameade, hi! :) discussing your patch | 15:40 |
| jungleboyj | Ah the consultant's life. | 15:40 |
| bswartz | see I told you he wouldn't mind | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay so what about new drivers | 15:41 |
| ameade | I have a patch? lol | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | I don't have a list of the new drivers for pike at my fingertips | 15:41 |
| ganso | ameade: your legacy | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | there were two with no CI/passing CI: Infortrend and Veritas | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #link openstack.org/#/c/465846/ | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472190/ | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472190/ | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | Veritas looks like they weren't aiming for pike.. | 15:42 |
| bswartz | can't find any others | 15:43 |
| bswartz | did they merge? | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: I don't think there were other new drivers | 15:43 |
| tbarron | cephfs-nfs merged | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | CEPH had a new protocol... merged. | 15:43 |
| * markstur looks in lost+found | 15:43 | |
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| bswartz | k | 15:44 |
| bswartz | alright then that covers the major priorities for the rest of pike | 15:44 |
| bswartz | there are some smaller things too | 15:44 |
| bswartz | let's move on though | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #topic bug squash? | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug squash? (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:45 | |
| bswartz | I'm thinking that we should start a habit of bug squash days | 15:45 |
| bswartz | not only would it be good to get together from time to time and fix a bunch of bugs, but it would help us get on the same page about quality issues and challenges related to testing | 15:46 |
| jprovazn | +1 | 15:46 |
| bswartz | traditionally bug squashes are scheduled for sometime after feature freeze before the RC | 15:46 |
| dustins | +1 | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so I wanted to first gauge interest and see if anyone wants to volunteer to coordinate it | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | I'm thinking something virtual, hopefully a whole day | 15:47 |
| bswartz | althought with timezone issues some people might only be able to attend part of it | 15:47 |
| bswartz | and assuming people want to do this, we need to figure out what conflicts we need to schedule around | 15:48 |
| zhongjun | I'd like to try it | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I don't think we can schedule it today, but by next meeting I'd like to have enough information that we can put it on the calendar | 15:48 |
| bswartz | remember that PTG this cycle will happen right at the end of the release like Ocata | 15:49 |
| bswartz | and we agreed to do a virtual PTG for Queens | 15:49 |
| bswartz | so we'll be meeting the week before or after the Denver meetup | 15:49 |
| bswartz | that's another even that needs scheduling | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:50 |
| bswartz | we should be looking at R-4 or R-3 for bug squash days | 15:51 |
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| jprovazn | hmmm, I guess there will be bunch of PTOs these weeks | 15:51 |
| bswartz | indeed | 15:51 |
| bswartz | because of that, anyone who wants to participate in a bug squash day should send me the days that won't work for them | 15:52 |
| bswartz | assuming you have you vacation plans for August | 15:52 |
| bswartz | we'll see if we can find a day that works for most people | 15:52 |
| bswartz | looks like Denver will happen at R+2 for Pike | 15:52 |
| bswartz | so more breathing room than we had with Ocata | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | anyways that's all I had | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | we have a few more minute if anyone has another topic | 15:53 |
| tbarron | ok let's go back to the functional tests and the telemetry review | 15:53 |
| tbarron | do we have a framework for these to use? | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: so the design here is that we send notifications which in theory anyone can consume right? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | correct | 15:54 |
| bswartz | how hard is it to write a "hello world" notification listener? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | that's not really what I'm asking, i'm asking | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | does manila have a framework for functional tests | 15:55 |
| bswartz | not in the way that cinder does | 15:55 |
| tbarron | it's a good idea that we should have one, but it seems another project to take on | 15:56 |
| bswartz | although the cinder approach hurt my brain tbh | 15:56 |
| bswartz | hurts* | 15:56 |
| tbarron | from a practical standpoint we should test that this works end to end, but | 15:56 |
| tbarron | the likelihood of breakage and the consequences of breakage are low | 15:56 |
| tbarron | and the value of the feature getting in is high | 15:57 |
| bswartz | the idea that I had was to actually test this in tempest, with a simple listener | 15:57 |
| tbarron | I don't like doing thiis in tempest at all | 15:57 |
| bswartz | It would be a net-new thing to write, which is why I wouldn't insist on doing it now | 15:57 |
| tbarron | adding a "simple listener" to tempest seems a nightmare, not b/c of the listener but b/c of tempest | 15:57 |
| bswartz | what's your objection to doing it in tempest? | 15:57 |
| tbarron | that ^^ | 15:58 |
| tbarron | maybe I'm wrong though. | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it can be added to manila tempest plugin | 15:58 |
| dustins | Tempest doesn't really seem like the place for it, though | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: don't see problem here | 15:58 |
| dustins | Granted, I don't really know where the correct place is, but it seems odd to me | 15:58 |
| bswartz | well there is the issue that tempest isn't set up to interact with the backend of the cloud, where this kind of listener would reside | 15:58 |
| tbarron | tempest is fragile enough as it is | 15:58 |
| bswartz | installing the listener would necessarily involve modification of config files | 15:58 |
| tbarron | i want us to work on *real* problems | 15:58 |
| tbarron | of which there are many | 15:59 |
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| tbarron | not on pedantic stuff | 15:59 |
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| tbarron | that doesn't add much value | 15:59 |
| bswartz | tbarron: it sounds like you're arguing for simply not testing this feature for now | 15:59 |
| tbarron | we should test it manually | 15:59 |
| bswartz | if so I don't have a problem with that | 15:59 |
| bswartz | but it shouldn't stop us from planning how to test it correctly in an automated way | 16:00 |
| tbarron | and if someone invests energy to build a good functioonal test framework this would be a candidate for that | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: ack | 16:00 |
| bswartz | because such a test would have value for not only us, but also cinder and every other service that does notifications and doesn't test them | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay we've hit our time limit | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 16:01:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-29-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-06-29-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 17:00 |
| pewp | jungleboyj (*゚͠ ∀ ͠)ノ | 17:00 |
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| lhinds | #startmeeting security project | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 17:02:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security_project' | 17:02 |
| lhinds | #chair hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds | 17:02 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: you around bud? | 17:02 |
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| lhinds | #topic agenda | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
| lhinds | anyone else around? | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 17:13:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_project/2017/security_project.2017-06-29-17.02.html | 17:13 |
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