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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 6 12:03:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:03 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:03 |
| openstack | dirk: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 12:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:03 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:03 |
| jpena | o/ | 12:03 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:03 |
| toabctl | #chair dirk jpena IgorYozhikov | 12:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena toabctl | 12:03 |
| dirk | toabctl: continue :) | 12:03 |
| toabctl | hey everybody | 12:04 |
| toabctl | as usual, let's collect topics on the etherpad | 12:04 |
| toabctl | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 12:04 |
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| toabctl | let's start | 12:09 |
| toabctl | dirk, did we discuss the openSUSE python3 default already? | 12:09 |
| toabctl | #topic package reviews | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "package reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:10 | |
| dirk | not sure, I missed last week's meeting | 12:10 |
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| toabctl | me too | 12:10 |
| toabctl | or not? I don't remember. anyway - anything special in the current queue? | 12:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, we discussed py3 as default provides | 12:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | but not sure we agreed on something | 12:11 |
| toabctl | ok. let's first go through the review topic and handle that (if there is something) at the end | 12:12 |
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| dirk | I don't have a particular review to bring up | 12:14 |
| dirk | but it brings me to a new topic | 12:14 |
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| dirk | does anyone want to bring up a particular review? | 12:15 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:15 |
| toabctl | #topic EOL of Mitaka branch | 12:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EOL of Mitaka branch (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:15 | |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, may be this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465971/ | 12:15 |
| dirk | so officially mitaka is EOL. although some projects still have a mitaka branch | 12:16 |
| dirk | do we want to close down the stable/mitaka branch? | 12:16 |
| dirk | or keep it open but not care about it anymore (unless we have to) | 12:17 |
| dirk | from the SUSE side mitaka didn't end up on any product so we're not going to maintain the branch | 12:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, close or stop do commits? | 12:17 |
| dirk | close in the sense of deleting branch and replacing it with a -eol tag | 12:17 |
| number80 | RDO has EOLed Mitaka (product is a different matter) so +1 unless someone needs it | 12:18 |
| toabctl | +1 for closing it | 12:18 |
| number80 | (basically, if you need it, you have to raise your hand!) | 12:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | +1 | 12:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's close it | 12:22 |
| toabctl | dirk, can you take that action? | 12:23 |
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| * toabctl does not know yet how to close branches ... | 12:23 | |
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| number80 | toabctl: as dirk said delete branch through git and tag head mitaka-eol | 12:25 |
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| dirk | toabctl: ok, will do | 12:25 |
| dirk | #action dirk replace stable/mitaka branch with a mitaka-eol tag | 12:25 |
| toabctl | #topic Clarify | 12:26 |
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| toabctl | who added that topic? and what does it mean?:) | 12:26 |
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| dirk | sorry, me | 12:27 |
| dirk | I was seeing the MOS ci reporting stuff again | 12:27 |
| dirk | in some places. does anyone know more? | 12:27 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, ? | 12:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | OMG, where, can you point me? | 12:28 |
| dirk | maybe I've been halluzinating | 12:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | afaik it should not | 12:29 |
| * dirk checks | 12:29 | |
| toabctl | dirk, I saw the same today.. | 12:29 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475582/ | 12:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov will check MOS CI status | 12:30 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thanks! | 12:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | strange, because there were plans to shutdown it in June/July | 12:31 |
| jpena | it's been silent for a few weeks, then it started reporting again | 12:32 |
| toabctl | next topic? or anything else on MOS CI? | 12:33 |
| dirk | next | 12:33 |
| toabctl | #topic Open Floor | 12:34 |
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| cousin_luigi | Just a question: will there be another meeting next Thursday? | 12:34 |
| dirk | so we have half an hour for our favorite python3 topic ? :) | 12:34 |
| toabctl | I wanted to ask that :) | 12:34 |
| dirk | is there a special thursday? | 12:34 |
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| cousin_luigi | I had asked the SUSE singlespec honcho to come here today, but it was a bank holiday, so hopefully he'll be here next week. | 12:35 |
| dirk | cousin_luigi: jan matejek? | 12:35 |
| cousin_luigi | Just so I know, is it every Thursday? | 12:35 |
| cousin_luigi | dirk: Precisely. | 12:36 |
| toabctl | cousin_luigi, yes. | 12:36 |
| dirk | cousin_luigi: yes, every thursday at 12:00 PM UTC | 12:36 |
| cousin_luigi | Good. | 12:36 |
| toabctl | number80, any update on the python3 fedora side? | 12:36 |
| toabctl | maybe in regards to singlespec? | 12:36 |
| dirk | cousin_luigi: both toabctl and I are pretty active on singlespec | 12:36 |
| cousin_luigi | dirk: Sorry for having misrepresented things:) | 12:36 |
| dirk | it is clear that we need to come up iwth a strategy | 12:36 |
| cousin_luigi | Perhaps I just don't know. | 12:36 |
| number80 | nope, I was in PTO last week (it's like I'm getting more and more PTO, I just got 7 additional days recently) | 12:37 |
| dirk | cousin_luigi: no, sorry. it's good that you keep it in our minds, the problem definitely doesn't go away | 12:37 |
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| dirk | openSUSE would like to switch to python3 default now and the openstack pile of packages (which come from rpm_packaging) are definitely a limiting factor here | 12:37 |
| dirk | maybe we can do it one step a time | 12:38 |
| dirk | question: are we good with letting the current python 2.x builds be named python2-xxx going forward? | 12:38 |
| dirk | if so, then we could add the python_provides macro and have at least a singlespec-compatible way to build python2.x only packages | 12:38 |
| number80 | dirk: renaming into python2-xxx is fine | 12:39 |
| dirk | so when you say renaming, we need a provide/obsoletes, right? | 12:39 |
| number80 | as for python3, I have yet no answers myself until RHEL8 is out (and that's the one million dollar question even for myself) | 12:39 |
| toabctl | we could just add the Provides: python2- | 12:40 |
| number80 | dirk: yes but we have a macro for that | 12:40 |
| toabctl | without renaming it | 12:40 |
| number80 | toabctl: won't work for upgrades | 12:40 |
| number80 | we had similar issues when Fedora renamed stuff from python to python2 | 12:40 |
| dirk | toabctl: sure, but thats even less compatible with singlespec I'd say | 12:40 |
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| dirk | toabctl: lets do it the same way like singlespec as long as we can't swithc to singlespec yet | 12:41 |
| dirk | number80: not sure how RHEL8 is related.. the singlespec approach offes the ability to build both 2.7 and 3.x, only one of them, and select the default one that is providing the python-XX provides | 12:41 |
| dirk | number80: so we could use singlespec but have a flavor that says "only build python2" or "only build python3" or "build both python2.x and 3x" | 12:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | during last meeting was made suggestion about using flavor for singlespec | 12:42 |
| number80 | dirk: for us, it will define how we will ship python3 and may even impact packaging if we use technologies like SCL | 12:42 |
| dirk | the goal I think for the next major SLE release is that it will be python 3.x only I think | 12:42 |
| cousin_luigi | dirk: doesn't singlespec already have that? | 12:42 |
| cousin_luigi | skip_pythonX macro | 12:42 |
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| toabctl | number80, what is SCL? | 12:44 |
| dirk | cousin_luigi: isn't that what I tried to say? :) | 12:45 |
| toabctl | I guess software collections? | 12:45 |
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| number80 | toabctl: yes, if you want my opinion, it should be renamed as PITA | 12:46 |
| number80 | Well, when life gives SCL, you drink rum | 12:46 |
| dirk | lol | 12:46 |
| cousin_luigi | dirk: I thought it was something about the convoluted way openstack produces .spec files, but don't mind me, I fear I'm drunk. | 12:46 |
| dirk | number80: can you elaborate a bit (not on the rum part) ? | 12:47 |
| dirk | number80: so the scenario is that SCL might contain all of python 3.x? or SCL might contain the 2.x versions? | 12:47 |
| number80 | dirk: we'd need to add some macro magic in spec file to build them against SCL, and it requires a specific buildroot | 12:48 |
| number80 | and we'd need to rebuild a lot of deps | 12:48 |
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| toabctl | I guess something like https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Developer_Toolset/1/html-single/Software_Collections_Guide/#sect-Converting_a_Conventional_Spec_File | 12:49 |
| number80 | Well, that's quite a complex migration (it would also affect systemd units and all) | 12:50 |
| toabctl | hm.ok | 12:51 |
| number80 | but again, I don't know what we will be using. We postponed python3 until RHEL8 release, as worst case would be doing migrations twice | 12:52 |
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| dirk | number80: so can that be done via a renderspec flavor? | 12:53 |
| dirk | ah, systemd services | 12:53 |
| dirk | hmm | 12:53 |
| dirk | ok, we're loosing time a bit | 12:53 |
| dirk | so , let me restart the question | 12:53 |
| dirk | are we aligned to rename everything to python2-* and add a python-* provides for now? | 12:54 |
| cousin_luigi | dirk: Isn't that going to mess with python3 in tumbleweed? | 12:54 |
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| toabctl | hm. that's a lot of work without getting py3 support. I would prefer todo that in one run tbh | 12:54 |
| dirk | toabctl: number80 : jpena : IgorYozhikov : ? | 12:54 |
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| dirk | toabctl: just one patch to renderspec? | 12:55 |
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| number80 | Yes | 12:55 |
| toabctl | oh. true. | 12:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | +! | 12:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | +1 | 12:56 |
| jpena | +1 | 12:56 |
| toabctl | not sure about the "one patch" thing. but not getting py3 isn't nice imo. but +1 | 12:57 |
| number80 | +1 | 12:57 |
| dirk | ok, any volunteers? | 12:58 |
| toabctl | #agreed rename everything to python2-* and add a python-* provides for now | 12:59 |
| toabctl | 1 min left... | 12:59 |
| toabctl | I can have a look | 13:00 |
| dirk | thanks | 13:00 |
| dirk | lets end the meeting | 13:00 |
| toabctl | #action toabctl look into python2 provides/obsoletes | 13:00 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| number80 | Yup | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 6 13:00:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-06-12.03.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-06-12.03.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-06-12.03.log.html | 13:00 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey, c u | 13:00 |
| toabctl | thanks! | 13:00 |
| cousin_luigi | bbl | 13:01 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 6 14:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| szaher | Hello guys | 14:01 |
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| szaher | Let's wait 10 minutes for everyone to join the meeting | 14:01 |
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| yangyapeng | szaher: hello | 14:01 |
| szaher | jiaopengju trinaths raliev kforde yangyapeng slashme m3m0 | 14:02 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: hi | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hi guys | 14:02 |
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| slashme | Hi | 14:03 |
| szaher | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:04 |
| yangyapeng | trinaths ping | 14:05 |
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| szaher | Ok guys let's start ? | 14:09 |
| szaher | vnogin are you around ? raliev is vnogin is here ? | 14:09 |
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| szaher | #topic Fix 'NoneType' error when backup nova instance | 14:10 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: Do you want to explain this ? | 14:10 |
| szaher | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477750/ | 14:10 |
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| jiaopengju | When we backup nova instance and with out specify the engine value , fs type will be used as default | 14:11 |
| jiaopengju | This will cause the NoneType error | 14:11 |
| jiaopengju | without | 14:11 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: I think removing the default value is the best solution | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | if you sepcify nova_inst_id but without mode = 'nova', it cause the more error, too | 14:13 |
| jiaopengju | this will require the users who use freezer-agent as command with --engine | 14:13 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: I'm not sure if we remove the default value we might break backward compitability | 14:13 |
| szaher | for me i think the agent should expect --engine value | 14:14 |
| szaher | what do you think guys ? | 14:14 |
| jiaopengju | Will nova backup use fs engine? | 14:14 |
| szaher | nope | 14:14 |
| jiaopengju | If not, I think we can set nova engine as default for nova backup | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | i think, we should make some associated, | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | jiaopengju: yeah | 14:15 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: imagine if we add more engines the code will be just if and else :) | 14:15 |
| yangyapeng | jiaopengju: if you backup nova or you have a value nova_inst_id so the engine must be nova. | 14:16 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: yes | 14:16 |
| szaher | I don't think this is good, what do you think m3m0 slashme :) ? | 14:16 |
| jiaopengju | yangyapeng: yes | 14:17 |
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| szaher | so what if we have 10 engines ? | 14:18 |
| szaher | 10 if, else ? | 14:18 |
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| jiaopengju | Will we add new engines for nova backup? | 14:18 |
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| raliev | hey guys :) | 14:19 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: that will be a disaster with using too many if else | 14:19 |
| szaher | raliev: hey | 14:19 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: that's why I am against if else approache | 14:20 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: I think we'd better to mark what engines could be used for each backup resources | 14:22 |
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| jiaopengju | for example, if the resource is nova, we should restrict the engines in 'nova, engine1, engine2, etc' | 14:23 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: we can do this later but definitely not with a if, else condition. I was thinking about a function or a list inside the engine itself which holds what this engine can be used for | 14:24 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Also if the user provides incomplete arguments we can't start the backup job! | 14:24 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: agree with you | 14:25 |
| szaher | so the user has to provide the full arguments | 14:25 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: what i think is a list | 14:25 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Ok, let's remove the default value for engine and let the user provide a value for it | 14:25 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: I think remove it now will break the freezer-web-ui or some else | 14:26 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: so do you have another good solution for this problem :) | 14:26 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: maybe we should add engine value for where it is used first, and then remove the default value | 14:28 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: Agree | 14:28 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: the most important is freezer-web-ui, currently it no works well | 14:29 |
| jiaopengju | no/not/ | 14:30 |
| szaher | m3m0 was supposed to fix the related issues but I'm not sure about his availability | 14:31 |
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| jiaopengju | I have tried, but failed because not familiar with the web development. | 14:33 |
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| szaher | I will try to ping him later to see what can he do | 14:33 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: that's good | 14:34 |
| szaher | Cool!, agreed | 14:34 |
| szaher | Let's move to the next topic | 14:35 |
| szaher | #topic use sudo or rootwrap in freezer?(jiaopengju) | 14:35 |
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| jiaopengju | use rootwrap requires a configuration file | 14:35 |
| jiaopengju | I think it is not very friendly for freezer-agent | 14:36 |
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| szaher | Yes, that is the problem | 14:36 |
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| szaher | also what are we going to do if we are running this as a daemon and we were trying to use sudo and then it requires password | 14:37 |
| jiaopengju | I think we can use it in freezer-scheduler. | 14:37 |
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| szaher | Yes, but in that case we need a real implementation of rootwrap | 14:39 |
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| jiaopengju | This seems can not be avoided. | 14:40 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: agree, so let's create a blueprint and work on it asap | 14:41 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: ok | 14:41 |
| jiaopengju | when users use freezer-agent in command line, they should add sudo before the command by themselves | 14:42 |
| szaher | !Agree | 14:42 |
| openstack | szaher: Error: "Agree" is not a valid command. | 14:42 |
| szaher | # use sudo or rootwrap in freezer?(jiaopengju) | 14:43 |
| szaher | sorry!! | 14:43 |
| szaher | #agree | 14:43 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju: Do you want to add anything else ? | 14:44 |
| jiaopengju | I will create this bp soon | 14:44 |
| jiaopengju | No more | 14:45 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Thank you and thanks for attending the meeting | 14:45 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: You are welcome and that's my pleasure | 14:46 |
| szaher | :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 6 14:46:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-06-14.00.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-06-14.00.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-06-14.00.log.html | 14:46 |
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