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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 12:01:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:01 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:01 |
| toabctl | as usual, please add your topic to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 12:02 |
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| toabctl | hm. nobody here... | 12:07 |
| toabctl | waiting some more minutes... | 12:07 |
| cousin_luigi | I'm here if it's any consolation, only I don't have anything to say:) | 12:09 |
| toabctl | hi cousin_luigi | 12:10 |
| toabctl | I'll end the meeting | 12:10 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 12:10:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-13-12.01.html | 12:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-13-12.01.txt | 12:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-13-12.01.log.html | 12:10 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 15:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | omg the bot is here | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hah! | 15:00 |
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| gouthamr | @! | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| _pewp_ | gouthamr (^-^*)/ | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | first, a reminder that the Pike feature proposal freeze is TODAY | 15:01 |
| bswartz | so anything new after today will automatically get punted to queens | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we have more than enough work left to wrap up pike.... | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | and that's most of what I wanted to talk about today | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic feature freeze | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feature freeze (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/pike-3 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | there's still a bunch of work that needs review for pike-3 | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm in the process of getting launchpad in shape | 15:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
| kaisers_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| bswartz | if you see anything missing on launchpad pls notify me | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm sure I didn't get everything yet, but I prefer using launchpad to track priorities so we know how close we are to being done | 15:05 |
| jprovazn | bswartz, can you change "Add messages resource for sending errors to users" to "needs code review"? | 15:05 |
| tbarron | jprovazn: +1 | 15:05 |
| bswartz | done | 15:05 |
| jprovazn | thanks | 15:05 |
| bswartz | IMO the IPv6 stuff looks good | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I missed a flake8 check on my last patch but I'll sort that out shortly | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I'd like to merge the LVM multi-IP patch, then the IPv6 core patches | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | there will be microversion conflicts of course | 15:06 |
| bswartz | please stay on top of microversion-conflict-related rebases the next 2 weeks | 15:07 |
| tbarron | yeah, agreeing on an order for stuff we expect to merge may help reduce thrash | 15:07 |
| bswartz | they're annoying but unavoidable | 15:07 |
| tbarron | I agree that the ipv6 stuff is very close | 15:07 |
| zhongjun | +1 | 15:07 |
| ganso | tbarron: using constants makes rebase a lot easier | 15:07 |
| tbarron | ganso: ack | 15:08 |
| bswartz | ganso: what do you mean? | 15:08 |
| ganso | bswartz: define a constant with your change's microversion and use it everywhere you would put your microversion | 15:08 |
| bswartz | ganso: for example? | 15:08 |
| ganso | bswartz: cknight did that with revert from snapshot patch | 15:09 |
| bswartz | it sounds like a reasonable idea, but it would be tough to get it right for clients and tempest too | 15:09 |
| tbarron | ganso: do you have a review with this "best practice" for us to look at | 15:09 |
| ganso | tbarron: I'll look for it | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | that said, if we merge the ipv6 stuff, then can we do the next one on the list next, etc. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | it may help to co-ordinate efforts | 15:10 |
| tbarron | of course if a reviewer has blocking objections, then we move the item to the end of the list | 15:10 |
| tbarron | but for nits and small issues keep the order the same | 15:11 |
| tbarron | reduce brownian motion | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | looks like we might need to add an agenda topic based on the channel discussion | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to make another pass at the launchpad milestone blueprints and bugs | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ganso Would like to see Cinder go that way too. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | when I think it's complete I'll post something in the channel | 15:13 |
| jungleboyj | Had a todo to push that but it fell off my plate. | 15:13 |
| amito-infinidat | Hi, we're writing the Infinidat driver. Is it realistic to push it to Pike or will it have to wait for Queens? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | anything else related to the feature freeze? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | amito-infinidat: where is the patch? | 15:14 |
| zhongjun | amito-infinidat: Could you give us a link? | 15:14 |
| ganso | tbarron, bswartz, jungleboyj: https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila_tempest_tests/common/constants.py#L60 | 15:14 |
| ganso | tbarron, bswartz, jungleboyj: although, my memory failed me, cknight did that only for tempest tests | 15:15 |
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| amito-infinidat | we will create a review today or tomorrow | 15:15 |
| tbarron | ganso: ty | 15:15 |
| bswartz | amito-infinidat: in that case you missed this deadline: https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-manila-nddeadline | 15:15 |
| xyang2 | ganso: with this change, you still need to update the patch though, but it will be just one place | 15:15 |
| ganso | tbarron, bswartz, jungleboyj: but the idea is great to be used in the server code and minimize rebase effort | 15:15 |
| bswartz | amito-infinidat: we'll be happy to consider that driver for queens | 15:16 |
| amito-infinidat | bswartz: ok, so queens it is. | 15:16 |
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| jungleboyj | ganso: ++ | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic driverfixes | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "driverfixes (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:17 | |
| bswartz | gouthamr created the new branches for us | 15:17 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Could you tag two bps to pike-3 : link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/share-usage-size https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/ensure-share | 15:18 |
| bswartz | but everything seems to be failing | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482785/ needs to merge | 15:18 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: looks like someone forgot to his the workflow button | 15:19 |
| bswartz | maybe we should poke the infra team | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yep will do | 15:19 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: maybe they are waiting for you the PTL to +1 before +A? | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | xyang2: good point I added my +1 | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | xyang2: no, it was required for branches creation | 15:20 |
| bswartz | anyways once those branches are functioning we'll open them up to bug backports | 15:21 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: as far as you know are any ACL changes needed? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | who has power to +W stuff to driverfixes? | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: not that i know about... all core reviewers have +2/+W : should it be only manila-stable-maint, or something like that? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | well | 15:22 |
| bswartz | it *should* just be manila-stable-maint, but we need to add people to that group | 15:22 |
| xyang2 | in cinder. all cores have +2/+w power on driver fixes branch | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | the theory is that the members of the stable-maint group have a good track record of approving appropriate backports and rejecting inappapropriate backports | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the same logic would apply to driverfixes | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: do you want to push an ACL update or should I? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I can also take this as a reminder to add members to manila-stable-maint | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: you can if you already know where it is | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: Is it everyone? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz add ppl to manila-stable-maint | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #action bswartz update ACLs for driverfixes | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: We didn't limit it to stable-maint? | 15:25 |
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| xyang2 | jungleboyj: now you make me wonder. let me check.:) | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: also, should third party CIs run on the driverfixes branches? | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: devstack can likely be broken, so, i think not. | 15:25 |
| jungleboyj | gouthamr: No, the shouldn't. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I think it would be recommended but not required | 15:26 |
| bswartz | if you're not testing your changes then nobody will have confidence in them | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | afais, vendor driver fixes must be limited to their driver and they should attest that it's qualified downstream, because we don't run tempest tests upstream.. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | but it's understood that testing obsolete branches is harder | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | anything else on driverfixes | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | nope... nothing from me | 15:28 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | once we fix the jenkins issues, i will update | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #topic docs migration | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs migration (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:29 | |
| bswartz | so those of you reading the ML are aware of the effort to migrate docs | 15:29 |
| bswartz | evidently it's related to the docs team having reduced resources | 15:30 |
| tbarron | we were ahead of our time with our local docs :D | 15:30 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: You lucky dogs! | 15:30 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: well, we still have to move the official stuff | 15:30 |
| bswartz | well isn't there anything left to do? | 15:30 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I was (mostly) joking. | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | there is.. we have to move admin docs | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I'm looking for a volunteer to work on this | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | and CLI docs | 15:31 |
| bswartz | where would we move the CLI docs to? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | to python-manilaclient? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | and config ref (?) | 15:31 |
| zhongjun | and driver config docs? | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Yes, that is where the cli docs are supposed to go. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: didn't you do this for cinder? | 15:32 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: I am in the process of doing it. | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/ | 15:33 |
| tbarron | what is the deadline? | 15:33 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Trying to hint I could do it for Manila as well? | 15:33 |
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| jungleboyj | Needs to be done in Pike. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: maybe I can just look at each of your patches and make a corresponding one for manila then | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | it might happen very late in Pike for Manila | 15:34 |
| zhongjun | jungleboyj: Pike l3 or later? | 15:34 |
| tbarron | bswartz: all NOTE that cinder has agreed that the 'move doc' patches don't have to *fix any content* | 15:34 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: if you don't want to work on it for manila maybe you can give advice to whoever does do it | 15:34 |
| jungleboyj | zhongjun: Before code freeze. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | so no -1s and nitpicks on content, or fix this while you are in there | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: ++ | 15:35 |
| * gouthamr tbarron: uh-uh, noway | 15:35 | |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: the P-3 milestone? | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:35 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: is the before code freeze an OpenStack requirement or a cinder goal? | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | This is just to get the move. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | that's unfortunately close and conflicts with stuff we actually care about | 15:35 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Well, the docs are gone from the web right now. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | why not do it after the milestone? | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, you know what ... | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | These get published independent of a milestone I think. | 15:36 |
| jungleboyj | So maybe code freeze doesn't matter. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I would rather do it around the RC1 timeframe | 15:36 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj, bswartz: so I can +2/+A on cinder's driver fixes branch but I'm not a stable maintenance core: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464311/ | 15:37 |
| bswartz | that's the traditional time for us to switch focus to docs problems | 15:37 |
| jungleboyj | The docs meeting is right after this. I will get clarification. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay I just wanted to call attention to this community wide goal | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay let me sneak in some topics not on the agenda | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #topic bug squash day | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug squash day (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:38 | |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: So are you going to look at doing the migration? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | we discussed this 2 weeks ago and there was interest but nobody has indicated what times wouldn't work for them | 15:38 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: i am happy to copy your fine work if I don't have to do it for P-3 | 15:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I will get clarification on the timing. Am here to support. | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yeah I think we'll all be too busy to do it before P-3 -- if there's a deadline then we will probably miss it | 15:40 |
| bswartz | regarding bug squash day, I'd like to propose R-4 (the first week in August) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I know that's likely to conflict with people's vacations, but the backend of pike is fairly compressed | 15:41 |
| tbarron | bswartz: unfort I have company meetings all that week but that shouldn't block others | 15:41 |
| bswartz | the only realistic alternative would be R-3 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | but that's even more likely to conflict with vacations | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | so I hear tbarron is out for R-4 | 15:42 |
| bswartz | anyone else have a strong opinion for when we should plan a bug squash day? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | the other question would be what day of the week | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I would avoid monday and friday | 15:43 |
| bswartz | maybe Wednesday is a good day for it? | 15:43 |
| tbarron | bswartz: wait, r-4 is july 31-aug 4, it's r3 that I have to travel | 15:43 |
| bswartz | so August 2 or August 9 | 15:43 |
| bswartz | August 2 would be better | 15:44 |
| bswartz | and if that works for tbarron and nobody else objects, I'd like to just schedule it today | 15:44 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:44 |
| bswartz | alright put manila bug squash on your calendars for August 2nd | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | #topic per-share-type quotas | 15:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "per-share-type quotas (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:46 | |
| tbarron | hee hee | 15:46 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452158/ | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452158/32/manila/api/v2/quota_sets.py@84 | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | what's going on here | 15:46 |
| bswartz | gouthamr vponomaryov | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: gouthamr proposed me to change API behaviour and I disagree with it | 15:47 |
| * tbarron imagines bswartz as ward cleaver | 15:47 | |
| gouthamr | the conversation is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473464/11/manila/api/v2/quota_sets.py | 15:47 |
| ganso | tbarron: lol | 15:48 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what is the choice that needs to be made? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | whether to modify old API behavior or not? | 15:48 |
| zhongjun | It looks like we meet the same problem before ( export location feature) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | tbarron: sorry I didn't watch that show | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is related to "drop-garbage-by-default" approach we have in API | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | so the patch modifies old APIs for the new quota set key | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | if you use the new quota set on old APIs you get a 400 | 15:49 |
| bswartz | so the patch could theoretically break backwards compatibility, right? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: new change updates old APi to explicitly say that "new keys" are not allowed with old API | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but in practice, would it? | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | my problem was with special casing | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I'm less concerned about theoretical backwards compatibility issues than real ones | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | as zhongjun mentioned, we handled this in both the export_locations_filter and the "like" filter that she added | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: keeping old behaviour will mean following: operator will provide new keys with old API and will get answer, not knowing it was not applied | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | that's why I take a strong stance that bugfixes shouldn't be microversioned unless the old behavior was desirable in some way | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, yes, it is part of fixing "drop-garbage-by-default" approach | 15:50 |
| zhongjun | yes, we discussed it in last meeting | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | that should have been done tillnow | 15:51 |
| bswartz | so I'm leaning towards supporting vponomaryov's patch as is | 15:51 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: explain the harm with this approach | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | why apply special case fixes every time we introduce a new feature? | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: because we don't drop garbage now | 15:52 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: you'd prefer that the change be to to reject ALL unsupported arguments? | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | i agree we were consuming garbage and ignoring it, which is very confusing | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes | 15:52 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: itis driven by technical debt | 15:52 |
| bswartz | yeah I'd prefer that too... | 15:52 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: In last meeting, we agree with open a new bug to change this behavior and add microversion | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: at a new microversion, we can prevent sending garbage keys | 15:52 |
| bswartz | still I don't see why that's related to this | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | for now, just pop the key and log it if you must | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | it's an admin API | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | if you send a 400, you'll only confuse consumers.. | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | it's an admin API but vponomaryov has a good point that admins could easily make a request and get confusing results | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | this would be a non-issue if we were rejecting garbage originally | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: as bswartz mentuioned, we should not keep backwards compat with "bugs" | 15:54 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: would you consider modifying your patch to reject all garbage starting with the new microversion? or would that be siginificant extra work? | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I would say that it should be done separately | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: not in this patch | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I don't want to block this patch on a minor issue like this, but if we split out the change and create an additional microversion then it's even more confusing | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: here, I considered operator use case beforehand | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: if we do it separately, would that other change be microversioned, or would it be retroactive? | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: since, it will be bugfix that changes old behaviour... | 15:57 |
| bswartz | you'd want to affect all old microversions? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | my concern if we do it that way is that there might be legitimate backwards compatibility problems | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I don't have strong opinion on this | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | changing 2xx to 4xx: reason for a microversion bump.. | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | well I think we've agreed that this needs fixing, but nobody has time to work on that and it's not a good enough reason to block this new feature | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | i don't mind committing this change in another patchset | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of merging the feature as it, and then separately changing the API to start rejecting garbage, possibly only after some microversion or possibly retroactively (need to think about specific cases where backwards compatibility would be broken) | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: only on restricting "valid keys" from new microversions on OLD ones | 16:00 |
| bswartz | can everyone live with that? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | we're out of time so please raise your objections in the channel | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 16:01:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-13-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-13-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-13-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 17:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| lhinds | #chair hyakuhei | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds | 17:01 |
| dg_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hey dg_ | 17:01 |
| mdong_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hey mdong_ | 17:01 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 17:02 |
| lhinds | hi gagehugo | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:02 |
| lhinds | hi hyakuhei | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, tied up shouting on the phone :P | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | So the agenda is up in the usual spot | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | I see we have a Keystone issue added, welcome gagehugo | 17:03 |
| lhinds | cool | 17:04 |
| gagehugo | hyakuhei yeah it was brought up a few months ago, but things happened right around that time and that fell to the wayside | 17:04 |
| gagehugo | would like to get that going again if possible | 17:04 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: I will make suer I review | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | ah cool, dg_ what do you think ? | 17:05 |
| lhinds | suer/sure | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | gagehugo has completed an architecture page for us to review | 17:05 |
| gagehugo | lhinds awesome | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Can we carve out some time ? | 17:06 |
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| dg_ | ok yeah we can take a look | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic future | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | The elections are coming up soon and I'd encourage anyone interested to run | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | I've spoken with lhinds about this at length and he has some good ideas and a strong desire to drive the security project forwards | 17:08 |
| dg_ | lhinds thinking about running? | 17:08 |
| lhinds | yep, going to go for it dg_ | 17:08 |
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| dg_ | excellent | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | I have not been able to provide the security project with the time it deserves and requires and will be stepping aside so long as there is someone willing to take up the role | 17:09 |
| * fungi would gladly vote for lhinds | 17:09 | |
| lhinds | thanks fungi | 17:09 |
| * hyakuhei too | 17:10 | |
| hyakuhei | So it is an open election and everyone is encouraged to participate | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I understand that lhinds has good support from his parent company which is really pivotal to making a role like PTL work | 17:10 |
| fungi | yes, knowing you can dedicate a good chunk of your week to it for the next 6-8 months is pretty crucial | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:11 |
| mdong_ | I know I haven’t been involved as much as I’d like, so knowing that there’s organizational support for this is really good to hear | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds has been helping me out a lot recently anyway, running meetings etc | 17:11 |
| lhinds | I will put up my plans in writing, once the election email drops. | 17:12 |
| dg_ | like a manifesto> | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:12 |
| fungi | the foundation has been attempting to encourage more member companies to support their staff in leadership roles and other efforts of general benefit to the community, so hopefully we'll see more like lhinds's employer in time | 17:12 |
| lhinds | strong and stable | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I have a long list of things I'd like to have done or know could be done better, I'm happy to share | 17:12 |
| lhinds | that would be really useful for the next PTL hyakuhei | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:13 |
| mdong_ | run through any wheat fields lately lhinds haha | 17:13 |
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| lhinds | suffice to say, a great act to follow for the next PTL | 17:13 |
| lhinds | mdong_: no, that is far to extreme behavior for me. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Some chapters better than others but we've come a long way | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so any other thoughts/comments? | 17:14 |
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| lhinds | do you existing folks intend to stick around in the project (what with work commitments / career directions)? | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | I will try to, but honestly I think I'll be in more of an advisory role | 17:15 |
| dg_ | likewise | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | That is to say I'll try to get along to IRC and the new PTL will have my cell number | 17:15 |
| lhinds | ack, understood | 17:16 |
| fungi | i'm funded by who i'm funded by explicitly so that i know i will be able to stick around and not have to worry about shifts in employer priorities | 17:16 |
| lhinds | ack fungi | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Hmm, the PTL elections aren't on the pike schedule | 17:16 |
| dg_ | I plan to stick around and will try and come to the meetings, but atm the dayjob is incredibly busy, it will calm down again at some point | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Alas I am a corporate shill, a lackey to my industrial pay masters | 17:17 |
| fungi | the tc just agreed on the election official appointments this week, and i believe they'll need to set the election schedule so that it's updated at https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:17 |
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| * hyakuhei nods | 17:18 | |
| lhinds | will keep an eye on that space | 17:18 |
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| fungi | it will be some time before the ptg, but i don't know exactly. probably mid-next month | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:18 |
| fungi | there was a heads-up diablo_rojo sent to the -dev ml, lemme see if i can dig it up quickly | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | I will see if I can get funding for the PTG or summit to do a proper f2f handover | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds - want to take us through OSSNs? | 17:19 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119359.html Upcoming PTL Election | 17:19 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: sure | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | oh sorry fungi forgot you were grokking for mail | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:20 |
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| lhinds | so we currrently have two open, one new one. | 17:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481768/ | 17:20 |
| fungi | thanks diablo_rojo! | 17:20 |
| diablo_rojo | also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482365/ | 17:20 |
| diablo_rojo | no problem fungi :) | 17:20 |
| lhinds | the get_identity_providers I should be pushing tomorrow | 17:21 |
| fungi | thanks, i think that's the one i went ahead and won't-fixed our ossa task for | 17:21 |
| lhinds | and I can get the ceph credentials OSSN to as I worked on the topic before. | 17:21 |
| lhinds | that's right fungi | 17:21 |
| lhinds | there was a third which has been ported into a docs bug | 17:22 |
| lhinds | around EC2 credentials. | 17:22 |
| lhinds | got it: bug/1618615 | 17:22 |
| lhinds | I will flesh out a section on EC2 as there are few other security aspects too. | 17:23 |
| lhinds | that's it for this week | 17:23 |
| lhinds | #topic Documentation | 17:24 |
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| lhinds | hope thats ok hyakuhei , have some updates to sneak in | 17:25 |
| lhinds | couple of things.. | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | go ahead | 17:25 |
| lhinds | the security docs page has sigmavirus (Ian) as the driver | 17:25 |
| lhinds | As we know he moved on back in March, so I sent out an email to -dev suggesting it be replaced, and self nominated | 17:26 |
| lhinds | nothing back, so I switched it over to me. | 17:26 |
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| lhinds | mainly as I am working through the backlog right now, and have a lot to update and add. | 17:26 |
| lhinds | a lot of revamping of the checklists and bringing up to Pikes level. | 17:27 |
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| lhinds | I also will have a BP up to suggest making the checklists version specific. | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | sounds useful | 17:27 |
| lhinds | that way we won't have anyone change a config directive that is depreciated (as an exmaple) | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds thank you for the effort | 17:28 |
| lhinds | no worries, its useful stuff to have (i benefited from it greatly at one time) | 17:28 |
| lhinds | we also had a few patches land this week, and mhayden added some text on anisble-hardening | 17:28 |
| lhinds | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482231/ | 17:29 |
| lhinds | that's it for docs, unless any questions.. | 17:29 |
| lhinds | #topic Syntribos | 17:29 |
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| lhinds | mdong: .. | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | 20 seconds mdong ;) | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | we can run over though | 17:29 |
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| mdong | ah sorry, I’m here | 17:30 |
| mdong | a few members on the team have been using syntribos actually to test their internal projects | 17:30 |
| mdong | They’ve been running into issues here and there and I’ve been working with them to clear up some of the docs, some of the setup instructions, error messages, etc that they’ve been running to | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | That's really encouraging! | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Proper feedback | 17:32 |
| mdong | One of the problems is that since OSIC ended there hasn’t been anyone with enough knowledge of the code base to do code reviews | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | ah, painful | 17:32 |
| lhinds | mdong: for openstack projects, is it only vmt managed that you have / will scanned? | 17:32 |
| lhinds | `scan` rather | 17:33 |
| mdong | but hopefully with other people on the team using syntribos they can help in the future | 17:33 |
| mdong | lhinds we’ve scanned the OSIC projects | 17:33 |
| lhinds | mdong: ah ok, makes sense | 17:33 |
| lhinds | mdong: tag me on reviews, I don't know the code very well, but happy to read up and help out | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:34 |
| mdong | sure thing lhinds, there’ll be some CR’s soon | 17:34 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/syntribos | 17:34 |
| lhinds | mdong: thx | 17:34 |
| lhinds | maybe we can go through the list next week? | 17:35 |
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| mdong | good idea | 17:35 |
| mdong | that’s all from me on syntribos | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks mdong | 17:36 |
| lhinds | thx mdong , nice to hear | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Anything else to cover ? | 17:36 |
| lhinds | not from me for this week | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | cool, lets wrap it then :) | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 17:37:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-13-17.01.html | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-13-17.01.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-13-17.01.log.html | 17:37 |
| gagehugo | Thanks everyone | 17:37 |
| lhinds | thanks all | 17:37 |
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