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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 12:03:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:03 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:03 |
| toabctl | anybody around? | 12:04 |
| dirk | I'm here | 12:04 |
| * dirk just arrived | 12:04 | |
| toabctl | hey dirk :) | 12:05 |
| dirk | Is something special today other than vacation season? | 12:05 |
| toabctl | jpena seems to be away | 12:05 |
| toabctl | but last week, nobody was here, too.... | 12:06 |
| toabctl | I added to topics to the agend. not sure if we want to discuss these today? | 12:07 |
| dirk | Looks good | 12:08 |
| dirk | Let's discuss them | 12:08 |
| toabctl | #topic PTL candidates | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL candidates (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:10 | |
| toabctl | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/index.html | 12:11 |
| toabctl | PTL nomination starts at Jul 31, 2017 . the rpm-packaging group needs a new PTL | 12:12 |
| dirk | Yep | 12:12 |
| dirk | Your turn :-) | 12:12 |
| toabctl | I wonder if we have volunteers but given that we are one 2 today we might want to postpone it | 12:12 |
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| toabctl | well - I'll be out for a whole month | 12:13 |
| dirk | You'll have plenty of time at unusual times | 12:13 |
| toabctl | yes - but not for computers :) | 12:13 |
| toabctl | I would say we discuss it again next week. hopefully jpena is back then... | 12:14 |
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| toabctl | #topic release liason | 12:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release liason (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:15 | |
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| toabctl | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 12:15 |
| toabctl | to get releases from pymod2pkg and renderspec quickly, we need a release liason. | 12:15 |
| dirk | Yeah, simply a backup person | 12:16 |
| toabctl | otherwise we need the +1 from the PTL for every release | 12:16 |
| toabctl | I can do that if nobody objects.. | 12:16 |
| toabctl | I'm handling most of the releases anyway currently. | 12:16 |
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| dirk | Well you can't self approve can you? | 12:17 |
| toabctl | sure. that's why I suggested to discuss the topics next week :) | 12:18 |
| dirk | I could also do that | 12:19 |
| dirk | Main r is to hangout in -release, which I do anyway | 12:19 |
| toabctl | if you want, fine for me. can I approve you? | 12:19 |
| dirk | I guess we need IgorYozhikov for that | 12:20 |
| toabctl | ok. let's postpone it... | 12:20 |
| toabctl | #topic packaging reviews | 12:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packaging reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:21 | |
| toabctl | anything special? | 12:21 |
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| toabctl | the tooz update needs a bit of work to get all the deps in. | 12:21 |
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| toabctl | dirk, a couple of reviews can be merged.. | 12:22 |
| dirk | toabctl: I'll take a look now | 12:22 |
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| * dirk just need to find his glasses | 12:24 | |
| * number80 is in background | 12:24 | |
| number80 | summertime, less people around :) | 12:24 |
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| dirk | open floor? | 12:28 |
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| toabctl | #topic open floor | 12:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open floor (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:29 | |
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| toabctl | anything else? Otherwise I'll close the meeting.... | 12:30 |
| dirk | I guess our action items | 12:31 |
| dirk | I still didn't have tiem to look at python2/3 | 12:31 |
| dirk | I think we should try to work on this before our product panic phase starts | 12:31 |
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| toabctl | dirk, I started to look at it | 12:32 |
| toabctl | and I'm going more and more in the direction that we need to abstract our templates more | 12:32 |
| toabctl | like defining the BuildRequires and Requires in a (eg yaml) list instead of writing them directly into the spec | 12:33 |
| toabctl | I have some prototype but it's far away from finished or working... | 12:33 |
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| toabctl | dirk, http://paste.openstack.org/show/616007/ | 12:34 |
| toabctl | ^^ that is something that could be read by renderspec. and then it would render the template 2x. first round, it does what it does currently (eg resolve py2pkg(),...). | 12:35 |
| dirk | toabctl: yeah, I tend to agree | 12:35 |
| toabctl | 2. round it translates yaml to .spec (which is just another jinja2 render, like py2pack does it) | 12:35 |
| dirk | the original idea was to have something that looks obvious to the spec expert, but our test coverage isn't good enough | 12:36 |
| dirk | I was trying to code up a test for requirements | 12:36 |
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| toabctl | dirk, the code changes for supporting something like the example I posted are not really big in renderspec. it basically is an extra file for the second render step and another template for suse and fedora | 12:37 |
| toabctl | and the current way of rendering would still be supported. | 12:37 |
| toabctl | number80, any opinion on extending renderspec to read some more structured format? | 12:38 |
| number80 | If it accept spec code blocks why not | 12:39 |
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| toabctl | yeah. that needs to be supported. spec code blocks per spec-style also... | 12:39 |
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| dirk | toabctl: I'll check it out | 12:42 |
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| toabctl | dirk, I'll try to make the prototype working and post a review. | 12:42 |
| dirk | toabctl: thanks | 12:42 |
| number80 | ack | 12:43 |
| toabctl | anything else? | 12:44 |
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| toabctl | ok. thanks everybody | 12:45 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 12:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 12:45:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-20-12.03.html | 12:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-20-12.03.txt | 12:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-07-20-12.03.log.html | 12:45 |
| dirk | thanks toabctl ! | 12:46 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 14:02:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hello guys | 14:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi szaher | 14:02 |
| szaher | ping daemontool raliev vnogin slashme m3m0 jiaopengju | 14:03 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: hi | 14:03 |
| daemontool | Hi | 14:03 |
| szaher | Please find the meeting agenda here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
| szaher | Let's wait 5 minutes for everyone to join | 14:03 |
| slashme | Hi szaher | 14:03 |
| raliev | hey everyone :) | 14:04 |
| szaher | slashme: raliev: hi :) | 14:04 |
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| szaher | Ok, let's start :) ? | 14:06 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 14:07 |
| szaher | #topic rsync v2 patch (raliev) | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rsync v2 patch (raliev) (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:07 | |
| szaher | raliev: Since you're here :) any updates around this patch is it going to be finished soon ? | 14:07 |
| raliev | yep, I have small update | 14:07 |
| szaher | raliev: Good. Does this small update makes it ready ? | 14:08 |
| raliev | I'm working on this for now | 14:08 |
| szaher | raliev: very good. Thanks :) any expectations for the finishing time ? | 14:09 |
| raliev | I think I'll finish it within one week | 14:09 |
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| szaher | raliev: That's great ... Thanks Ruslan | 14:10 |
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| szaher | #topic freezer-dr what can be done for pike ? | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "freezer-dr what can be done for pike ? (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:11 | |
| szaher | I don't know if all of you is following what is being done for freezer-dr at the moment. but I would like to hear from you what can be done for pike release ? | 14:11 |
| szaher | raliev, slashme, m3m0 vnogin, daemontool | 14:12 |
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| szaher | or even for queen :) ? | 14:13 |
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| szaher | no one has any ideas or thoughts ? | 14:17 |
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| szaher | anyway I have wrote some in this etherpad some time ago ... https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Freezer-brainstorming | 14:19 |
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| szaher | You can check it if you want ;) | 14:19 |
| szaher | anyone wants to add anything ? | 14:19 |
| szaher | Thank You guys | 14:19 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 14:20:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-20-14.02.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-20-14.02.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-07-20-14.02.log.html | 14:20 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 15:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| xyang1 | Hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hopefully I won't have any network issues during this meeting -- someone seems to have tripped over a cable and broken my ethernet this morning | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so I'm on (very sketchy) wifi now | 15:01 |
| vkmc_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Sorry I was so clumsy. | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | next week is feature freeze | 15:02 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | we are using https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/pike-3 to prioritize BPs and reviews | 15:03 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
| tbarron | i'm tethered to cell atm myself :( | 15:03 |
| tbarron | oh, jungleboyj must be in RTP, 'splains everything | 15:03 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: if it was you that tripped over the cable, kindly fix it after the meeting is over! | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: "Add quota for amount of share-groups" cannot have priority bigger than "Support quotas per share type", because it depends on it | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: No, I am in Minnesota. Just seems like when network isn't working I get blamed. ;-) | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'm going to go pester IT if a few reboots don't sort me out | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's an implementation dependency not a design dependency right? | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: kind of | 15:05 |
| bswartz | okay well the best case is to get both merged | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I'll leave the priorities alone for now | 15:06 |
| bswartz | we'll just let reviews know now that there's a dependency that affects the merge order | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay first item of business | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic FPF Exception request - ONTAP QoS | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FPF Exception request - ONTAP QoS (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119858.html | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484933/ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | gouthamr submitted this 2 days ago on the ML | 15:07 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:08 |
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| gouthamr | yes.. the code change seems large, but unit tests caused the code bloat.. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ...quiet it here.... | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I hope my network hasn't failed yet | 15:09 |
| bswartz | anyways there were only 2 responses on-list | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | I am ok letting it in | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if there are no comments I'd like to call a vote | 15:09 |
| bswartz | just to make it official | 15:09 |
| * gouthamr +1 :) | 15:10 | |
| bswartz | #startvote grant FFE for NetApp QoS? yes, no | 15:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: grant FFE for NetApp QoS? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| zhongjun | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| xyang1 | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| bswartz | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: :) | 15:10 |
| toabctl | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| cknight | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| ganso | #vote yes | 15:10 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: we only blame you for wifi related problems IIRC | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | 10 seconds | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:11 |
| openstack | Voted on "grant FFE for NetApp QoS?" Results are | 15:11 |
| dustins | #vote yes | 15:11 |
| openstack | yes (8): bswartz, toabctl, ganso, jungleboyj, cknight, vponomaryov, xyang1, zhongjun | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay nobody opposed, the FFE is granted | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | thanks everyone! | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | just a reminder as per our usual rules -- features that missed the freeze go to the back of the priority line for reviews | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | I like to keep it that way. | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | please focus reviews on high priority BPs, as we have a lot of unmerged stuff and not a lot of time to get it all in | 15:12 |
| bswartz | next week I will be ruthless with pushing incomplete things out of the release | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: should we track on etherpad? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: track what? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | oh the reviews | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yes that's something we've done in past releases | 15:14 |
| bswartz | we didn't create an etherpad for pike though | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and it's a bit late to start one now :-/ | 15:14 |
| bswartz | it's still worth doing however | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-manila-code-review-focus | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I won't fill in the whole etherpad now, but I will populate it after the meeting | 15:15 |
| bswartz | and encourage people to assign themselves to reviews | 15:16 |
| bswartz | there's very little time, so we won't get a chance to review the etherpad before the freeze itself | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I'll just ping people in the channel as needed | 15:16 |
| bswartz | thanks gouthamr | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay on to the next topic | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic IPv6 access | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "IPv6 access (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:17 | |
| bswartz | some questions came up in the channel about this | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I thought we had reached consensus in Barcelona but maybe not everyone remembers so it's worth revisiting | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm strongly opposed to any kind of new "capability" bits around ipv6 that clients need to be aware of | 15:18 |
| bswartz | IMO, client should be able to assign access rules to shares using ipv4 and ipv6 (assuming the share protocol supports IP access) and expect success | 15:18 |
| bswartz | however for obvious reasons, ipv6 accces rules on ipv4-only shares and ipv4 access rules on ipv6-only shares will effectively do nothing | 15:19 |
| bswartz | there are 2 benefits to allowing the rules despite them not doing anything | 15:20 |
| bswartz | 1) when additional export locations are added later on, the rules can already exist and immediately start working at that time | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: (1) is not practical in real deployment | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #vote yes | 15:21 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj is going to change his vote | 15:21 |
| bswartz | 2) is saves clients from having to make any queries before assigning access rules -- clients can simply express what they want and expect it to succeed | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | Holy lag. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tbarron: you're about 11 minutes behind the rest of us... | 15:21 |
| vkmc_ | Sketchy connection is sketchy | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | or else I'm 11 minutes in the future | 15:22 |
| ganso | at least he tried | 15:22 |
| * tbarron is traveling very quickly atm | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | anyways this is what we agreed to in Barcelona and I'm wondering if anyone feels differently now or if anyone who wasn't there disagrees with the decision | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I think that silent skipping of a rule is bad user experience | 15:23 |
| tbarron | backwards, apparently | 15:23 |
| * bswartz hears the doppler effect in tbarron's voice | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: it's not skipping the rule | 15:24 |
| bswartz | on some backends it may actually configure a rule on the storage controller | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | it's just that the rule won't matter because it will be impossible to talk to the share over that IP version at that time | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you propose to skip it where it is not supported | 15:24 |
| zhongjun | 1) If we get error status, it is still work: when additional export locations are added later on, the rules can already exist and immediately start working at that time | 15:24 |
| bswartz | later on when an export location is added, the rule should be enforced, so there is value in having it in the manila DB | 15:25 |
| bswartz | what does it mean for the rule to have error status in that case? | 15:25 |
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| tbarron | we should refresh the access rules in ensure share then, b/c the backend may not have been able to implement it the first time | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: "error" means "was not applied" | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but it was applied | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | it doesn't ends up not mattering | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you are talking about those backends that are able to set ipv6 rules in general | 15:26 |
| bswartz | it's like schrodinger's cat | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: this "conditional" behavior of "if it does make sense it is ok, but it if it does, should be enforced" may lead to complicated coding | 15:26 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: error status means the driver doesn't support ipv6 acl | 15:26 |
| bswartz | you don't know if the rule is applied or not until you add an export location of the appropriate type | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: yes I was going to mention that an upshot of this is that adding an export location will require an access rule update | 15:27 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: that's precisely what I want to avoid | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: s/if it does make sense it is ok/if it does not make sense it is ok | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is expected that we add ipv6 rules right afer we added appropriate export locations | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what is the use case to add rules beforehand? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | IMO a user should not be able to percieve any difference between a backend that doesn't have ipv6 support and a backend which does have ipv6 support but not ipv6 export locations | 15:28 |
| bswartz | because if they can, then we're looking at new capability bits | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | my whole goal here is to avoid an awkward transition from no ipv6 support to full ipv6 support as vendors take a long time to add this feature to their drivers | 15:30 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: like the user access, user doesn't need to know a backend that doesn't have user access support | 15:30 |
| bswartz | capability bits are ugly, optional features are ugly | 15:30 |
| * markstur sneaks in late | 15:30 | |
| ganso | zhongjun: does not need to, but is likely to get an error when adding a user access rule that will not work | 15:31 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: I'm not sure what you mean -- backends are required to support user access (for CIFS) and we removed user access for other protocols because optional features are confusing and terrible | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: so what does the end-user see, an export location that then doesn't work, right? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | tbarron: no, my expectation is that everything will work fine | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure what you're getting at | 15:32 |
| tbarron | bswartz: maybe i'm confused, but end user sees ipv6 access rule, but | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ok, no ipv6 export location | 15:32 |
| bswartz | if we do this properly, then from a user's perspective ipv6 will be a univerally supported feature, but most backends just won't happen to have any ipv6 export locations yet | 15:33 |
| bswartz | and as vendors implement support, admins will be able to assign ipv6 export locations and the drivers will do the right thing | 15:33 |
| tbarron | so end user doesn't open a ticket when she has a user vm with ipv6 capability b/c she doesn't see the export location | 15:33 |
| tbarron | and doesn't attempt ipv6 mount | 15:33 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the user will see the export location with a v4 address | 15:34 |
| * tbarron is just thinkiing this through from a 'have to support it' POV | 15:34 | |
| bswartz | if they want an ipv6 address then they should open a ticket and pressure the admin to get ipv6 exports added | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | user may bug cloud admin 'why isn't ipv6 location there'? and cloud admin will do RFE with backend supplier or distro but I guess that's OK | 15:35 |
| bswartz | if the driver doesn't support ipv6 then that's between the admin and their driver vendor, which is where the pressure should come from | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: what you are describing is a behavior similar to when the user adds a rule that is in a different subnet than the exports. There is no error. The driver and backend do actually add the rule. But there may be backends that fail to do add ipv6 rules because they are not compatible. | 15:36 |
| tbarron | distro will get some tickets on same, but probably not too bad | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: I believe ipv6 should behave in a similar way to what happens when you try to add a user rule to a share that does not support it, even though there will be no "ipv6" access rule type being selected, will be "ip" | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the right people to yell at vendors are the customers of storage -- the openstack admins | 15:36 |
| bswartz | tbarron: right now they would be yelling at *us* (the manila community) for not supporting this feature at all | 15:37 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: In some backend, we can support user access in both NFS and CIFS | 15:37 |
| ganso | I think it is hard to design a behavior that we may not be capable of supporting from all vendors and get inconsistent behavior | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ganso: this was the point of the discussion in barcelona | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ipv6 isn't something that some vendors can't support -- it's just a matter of when support is added | 15:38 |
| bswartz | there's no question that eventually every driver will have ipv6 support | 15:38 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yes but they may differ on how it is supported | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | ganso: it's not that complicated | 15:39 |
| bswartz | is there any vendor you know of that can't implement a list of IPv6 access rules? | 15:39 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I can't comment on details, but I know of backends that cannot add IPv6 access rules if the export is IPv4 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | getting back to my point, since it will be a universal feature, I'd like to spare the users a bad user experience and just start with a design that looks like the ultimate design where ipv6 is universally supported | 15:40 |
| bswartz | ganso: presumably those share would always be v4-only or v6-only though right? | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:40 |
| bswartz | in which case the unsupported rules can be safely ignored and nobody will know the difference | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: but ignored will mean that it will be added in manila with "active" status | 15:41 |
| zhongjun | ganso: Our backends that can add IPv6 access rules if the export is IPv4 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | this is only a really interesting technical problem when shares support both IP versions | 15:42 |
| zhongjun | ganso: The share export IP and share ACL can be spearated | 15:42 |
| zhongjun | separate | 15:42 |
| ganso | zhongjun: by "our backends" you mean this behavior is enforced at the share manager? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | the key here is that admins ultimately have control over export locations (for DHSS=false drivers) and can easily arrange for the right thing to happen | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | but I always prioritize the needs of the users over the needs of the admins/developers which is why I favor this scheme | 15:43 |
| bswartz | yes it's slightly weird, but only during the transition | 15:44 |
| bswartz | eventually all drivers will have ipv6 support, and ipv6 export locations will be common | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | I don't want end users to have to suffer through the transition by checking which shares have which export locations types and then only assigning relevant access rules | 15:45 |
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| zhongjun | ganso: I mean it can support in driver about driver can add IPv6 access rules if the share export location is IPv4 | 15:45 |
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| gouthamr | thinking in perspective of the code, this seems possible | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | so I'd like to get a conclusion on this topic and I've heard a few difference concerns raised | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | with the new access rules interface, drivers can update access rules.. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | does anyone really feel like it's important to have rules in an error state if they are in reality not applied, even though the user can't tell the difference? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | so they don't need to ignore and set thngs to "active". they can leave the rule in "queued" state until someday an ipv6 export location shows up? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | why "error"? | 15:47 |
| ganso | gouthamr: really? any queued rule will be sent to the driver | 15:48 |
| bswartz | as long as we have a way to ensure that they are applied by the time a user would be able to notice (such as adding a new export location) | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | ganso: sure, ignore and return queued_to_apply.. | 15:48 |
| ganso | gouthamr: then the result of that invocation will lead either to error or active | 15:48 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: oh, right! | 15:48 |
| bswartz | ah, ganso you bring up an important point | 15:48 |
| ganso | gouthamr: the return values | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I didn't get to the this important detail yet | 15:48 |
| ganso | gouthamr: that error/active was the old design | 15:48 |
| zhongjun | How about vote for this | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | yep.. we changed the rules interface, specially to accommodate access_keys for CEPHFS and then added a way to communicate per-rule status | 15:49 |
| bswartz | assuming we agree on what I specified, the way to make it work is to add code to drivers to simply skip over ipv6 rules in the update_access code paths, and the drivers will remove that code when real ipv6 access is added | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | i'd vote on leaving rules queued and emitting user messages (if one already doesn't exist for the rule in question) when something is amiss.. | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: won't that cause the manager to spam the driver with update calls? | 15:50 |
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| gouthamr | :| | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | we can think of a way to stop asking of updates for ipv6 rules unless such an update is initiated by ensure_share | 15:52 |
| ganso | gouthamr: bswartz has a point... | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | ? | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'm in favor of "active" | 15:52 |
| bswartz | and then remembing to push an update when any export location is added | 15:52 |
| bswartz | that would be part of ensure share though | 15:52 |
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| ganso | bswartz: for backends that cannot add the rule, and will simply ignore, thus "active", if the ipv6 export is later added, the "active" status will not make sense, the rule will need to be removed and added back | 15:53 |
| bswartz | ganso: I don't agree | 15:53 |
| bswartz | the rule will be in manila's DB the whole time | 15:53 |
| bswartz | the driver just needs to send it to the backend before the v6 export location is added | 15:54 |
| bswartz | that's a driver issue which should be hard to deal with | 15:54 |
| ganso | bswartz: "remembering to push an update when any export location is added" is what I would categorize as "complicated code logic". I understand that you want user experience to be as simple as possible, but I think the code should be kept simple as well | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | both would be idea | 15:55 |
| bswartz | ideal* | 15:55 |
| bswartz | but if we have to choose one I'd favor the user experience | 15:55 |
| bswartz | anyways I think this is less complicated than you think | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | it's just passing the current list of access rules to any method which is allowed to return a new export location | 15:56 |
| bswartz | and adding tests for this particular scenario | 15:56 |
| bswartz | actually the adding tests part is not easy >_< | 15:57 |
| bswartz | so scratch that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | but the coding part is not hard | 15:57 |
| ganso | bswartz: well, we are ok with making some compromises, like going back to "recovery mode" in this situation. We kinda got rid of this with the new access rules design | 15:58 |
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| ganso | bswartz: s/well, we are ok/well, if we are ok | 15:58 |
| bswartz | yes recovery mode should be the default IMO | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the other modes were just for drivers with severely limited backends like the ceph one which couldn't implement recovery mode efficiently | 15:59 |
| bswartz | every other one can to my knowledge | 15:59 |
| bswartz | also there was some hope that ceph would get better in this regard | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | time check | 16:00 |
| bswartz | gah | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I still feel strongly about my position | 16:00 |
| bswartz | we can continue discussing in channel if you all don't agree | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks to gouthamr for filling in that etherpad while we argued | 16:01 |
| bswartz | please sign of up reviews that you're doing | 16:01 |
| bswartz | so we know where there are holes | 16:01 |
| bswartz | that's all for today | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 16:01:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-20-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-20-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-07-20-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| lhinds_ | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 17:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| lhinds_ | #chair hyakuhei | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds_ | 17:01 |
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| lhinds_ | #topic agenda | 17:01 |
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| lhinds_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
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| lhinds_ | michaelxin are you around for Syntribos? | 17:02 |
| lhinds_ | dave-mccowan perhaps for bandit? | 17:03 |
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| lhinds_ | sorry, not dave-mccowan | 17:03 |
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| lhinds_ | hyakuhei: are you around bud? | 17:04 |
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| lhinds_ | anyone else online for the security project meeting, if so please say hi? | 17:05 |
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| mdong | o/ | 17:06 |
| fungi | mostly lurking | 17:06 |
| lhinds_ | hey mdong fungi | 17:06 |
| mdong | multitasking atm, but I’m here! | 17:06 |
| lhinds_ | mdong: first up is syntribos | 17:06 |
| lhinds_ | #topic syntribos | 17:07 |
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| mdong | cool | 17:07 |
| lhinds_ | I see you merged a few patches | 17:07 |
| mdong | Not much new to report, I haven’t been working on it as much as I’d like this week. But I did go and +2 some pending reviews | 17:07 |
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| lhinds_ | I have being trying to help out with reviews as well, but I still need to get up to speed a little before I might be very useful. | 17:08 |
| mdong | there’s 2 other members of the team who have been using syntribos testing their projects, I’m working on a CR that addresses some of their concerns with error handling and such | 17:08 |
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| lhinds_ | cool | 17:09 |
| mdong | I saw you putting some +1’s on CR’s lhinds, thank you for that, it’s appreciated for sure | 17:09 |
| lhinds_ | no problem | 17:09 |
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| mdong | the feature that’s being worked on is a non-deterministic fuzzer | 17:09 |
| mdong | we started working on it when OSIC was still around but we’re going back to it now | 17:10 |
| lhinds_ | is syntribos planned as a gate (or already is)? | 17:11 |
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| mdong | it’s definitely in the plans, the security team here at rackspace is working on a security CI/CD pipeline | 17:12 |
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| mdong | that involves running different tools and collecting the results in Jenkins | 17:12 |
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| mdong | I’ll be working with them in the next month or so to integrate syntribos into that project | 17:13 |
| fungi | is it something worth running upstream at all? | 17:13 |
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| mdong | good question | 17:14 |
| fungi | or by "jenkins" do you mean our upstream ci (which doesn't actually use the jenkins service for the past year) | 17:14 |
| mdong | no, it’s a toolset that’s been developed internally, I’m sure it could be useful in an openstack context at some point | 17:16 |
| fungi | neat. definitely keep us posted | 17:16 |
| lhinds_ | +1 | 17:17 |
| mdong | but to get syntribos to that point would entail some changes that would make it more ci/cd friendly | 17:17 |
| fungi | such is the story with a lot of software ;) | 17:17 |
| mdong | I’ll for sure keep you posted on how that goes | 17:17 |
| mdong | I don’t have much else to add on syntribos | 17:17 |
| lhinds_ | I recently rigged this into a downstream project (opnfv): https://github.com/opnfv/releng-anteater/ - its sort of the same as Bandit, but not AST, plain regex..this is using jjb / jenkins | 17:18 |
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| lhinds_ | off topic though, but maybe able to help with syntribos | 17:18 |
| fungi | any up-sides to the regex approach? | 17:19 |
| mdong | very interesting, I’ll definitely look into that | 17:19 |
| mdong | I’ll forward this to cneill too, he’s been the one working on the security cicd pipeline, he’d definitely be interested | 17:20 |
| fungi | i guess the point is to make it less language-specific? | 17:20 |
| lhinds_ | fungi: language agnostic | 17:20 |
| fungi | (with that anteater tool i mean) | 17:20 |
| lhinds_ | fungi: :) yep | 17:20 |
| fungi | okay, as i assumed then ;) | 17:20 |
| lhinds_ | fungi: and we can look for stuff like curl | bash etc | 17:21 |
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| lhinds_ | anything you can write regex around, will get pulled out, but it also has an exception list, so you can grant 'waivers' | 17:21 |
| lhinds_ | ok, i think OSSN, as Bandit folks are not here just now. | 17:22 |
| lhinds_ | #topic OSSN | 17:22 |
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| lhinds_ | just the following in review: | 17:22 |
| lhinds_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484701/ | 17:22 |
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| lhinds_ | fungi: I removed the rh url from launchpad to keep it simple. I think the OSSN describes just what to do, thanks to the LP content | 17:23 |
| lhinds_ | that should be close to merging soon. | 17:23 |
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| fungi | removed which rh url? | 17:23 |
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| fungi | ahh, you removed the [1] but left the url to their cve entry in the footer | 17:24 |
| fungi | i can't tell whether that was intentional or not | 17:24 |
| fungi | also you left the [1] in the prose | 17:25 |
| lhinds_ | it kind of was not (I have been all over the place with this patch), but it was a reference used, so perhaps it can stay. | 17:25 |
| lhinds_ | duh, let me send another patchset :) | 17:25 |
| lhinds_ | too much multitasking | 17:25 |
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| lhinds_ | I should have the other open OSSN `get_identity_providers` in later next week | 17:26 |
| lhinds_ | ok, that's it for OSSN | 17:26 |
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| lhinds_ | #topic AOB | 17:26 |
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| lhinds_ | (I skipped keystone VMT cov as gagehugo is unavailable) | 17:27 |
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| lhinds_ | I figure no AOB, ok thanks mdong & fungi ! | 17:28 |
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| lhinds_ | same time next week and have a nice weekend. | 17:28 |
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| fungi | i have no idea what aob is | 17:28 |
| lhinds_ | Sorry, any other business | 17:29 |
| fungi | aha | 17:29 |
| dave-mccowan | any plans for ptg yet? | 17:29 |
| fungi | nah, other than reviews on open public vulnerability reports are always welcome from the community | 17:29 |
| lhinds_ | fungi: +1 | 17:29 |
| fungi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/ open public vulnerability reports | 17:29 |
| lhinds_ | dave-mccowan: good point, hyakuhei was going to check with barbican is we could room share | 17:30 |
| lhinds_ | I will ask on his behalf and we could build out some topics then. | 17:30 |
| lhinds_ | will you be there dave-mccowan ? | 17:30 |
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| dave-mccowan | i will be there M-Th. last i saw security had a room M-T, and Barbican has a room W-Th. | 17:30 |
| dave-mccowan | we (barbican) don't have 2 days worth of topics, so we're up for extra topics. | 17:31 |
| dave-mccowan | one idea is custodia. has anyone in security group taken a look at that? | 17:31 |
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| lhinds_ | I have not in depth, but hopefully others have (and will input where I can) | 17:32 |
| lhinds_ | room sharing sounds pragmatic, as we also won't have a full weeks worth of items. | 17:33 |
| fungi | i've never heard of it, and having trouble with web searches for it | 17:33 |
| lhinds_ | dave-mccowan: has barbican got PTG planning underway, do you have an etherpad? | 17:33 |
| dave-mccowan | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/pubhtml?gid=397241312&single=true | 17:34 |
| dave-mccowan | room schedule ^^ | 17:34 |
| fungi | i see there's an antivirus and personal firewall for windows named "custodia" but assuming that's not what it is | 17:34 |
| dave-mccowan | i haven't started an etherpad yet, but i'll start one today. | 17:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | there was a summit presentation on custodia in boston. it's a way to encrypt passwords in openstack config files. | 17:35 |
| fungi | aha, found it (i think) | 17:35 |
| lhinds_ | dave-mccowan: I have added PTG to next weeks agenda, and we can then combine topics if that sounds good to you? | 17:35 |
| fungi | #link https://github.com/latchset/custodia An API to manage secrets storage and retrieval | 17:35 |
| fungi | that? ^ | 17:35 |
| lhinds_ | fungi: that's it | 17:35 |
| * fungi is now caught up ;) | 17:36 | |
| fungi | makes sense in the context of barbican | 17:36 |
| lhinds_ | yep | 17:36 |
| dave-mccowan | i think it solves a different problem then barbican. | 17:37 |
| dave-mccowan | since barbican requires keystone for authn/z, it can't be used for storing the passwords in config files. | 17:37 |
| dave-mccowan | custodia get the database and rabbit passwords out of nova.conf, for example. | 17:37 |
| fungi | sure, i just meant makes more sense to be something you're talking about than a windows-only desktop av/fw app | 17:38 |
| dave-mccowan | ah.. yes. :-) | 17:38 |
| fungi | which was the first remotely reasonable hit for my search results on the name | 17:38 |
| fungi | after lots of links to spanish dictionaries | 17:38 |
| lhinds_ | dave-mccowan: is there plans to make it an openstack project? | 17:40 |
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| fungi | i do recognize the names of some of the contributors, so that's reassuring | 17:41 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't know. the authors presented at the boston summit, so it's at least openstack friendly. | 17:41 |
| fungi | ooh, i missed that talk | 17:41 |
| lhinds_ | I can check with nkinder or simo | 17:42 |
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| lhinds_ | I think we could definitely do some good topics around it. | 17:42 |
| lhinds_ | we could maybe have incubated under the security project too? | 17:43 |
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| dave-mccowan | it's a nice problem to solve. i get asked a lot why there are clear text passwords in the config file. | 17:43 |
| lhinds_ | yeah, i get that one all the time too, | 17:43 |
| fungi | well, i also get it from people who don't think through the turtles-all-the-way-down situation with a lot of that | 17:44 |
| lhinds_ | ok, I think we can close up for now. dave-mccowan please drop in next week again if you're around | 17:44 |
| lhinds_ | ok, thanks again all, unless anyone has a burning need to say something? | 17:45 |
| fungi | not me! | 17:45 |
| lhinds_ | thx again | 17:45 |
| lhinds_ | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 20 17:45:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-20-17.01.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-20-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-07-20-17.01.log.html | 17:45 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | tellesnobrega: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 18:00 |
| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 20 18:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 18:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | waiting a couple more minutes | 18:03 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 18:05 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | right | 18:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | I'm working on ambari images now, and fixing some environment issues, other than that I'm dealing with some downstream stuff | 18:05 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | cool, i think you've reviewed all the patches i have up right now, those two SIE things, plus the dashboard thing. Other than that I will have another SIE patch very soon for adding the S3 hadoop jar | 18:06 |
| tellesnobrega | awesome | 18:06 |
| tellesnobrega | how is that integration going? | 18:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | uh, i'd feel more comfortable with landing everything else (jb, data store, client work, dashboard work) in queens | 18:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but adding it to the images, and providing some reminder in doc about how to run job against s3 manually would be nice | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | we can start merging small stuff now | 18:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | aiming to have a bigger window in queens | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | please keep me up to date on that | 18:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | btw, will add the s3 jar to the new-style image gen as well, once you merge that | 18:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 18:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | will keep you up to date on everything | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega | this is very important | 18:09 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that it's it for the "news" topic I think | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | lets move on | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 18:11 |
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| tellesnobrega | will skip PTG this time, there isn't updates on that | 18:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 18:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | first thing is, do we want to try to get cdh plugin upgrade done? | 18:11 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | shuyingya was working on 5.10 back in april: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456546/ but now we are on to 5.12 | 18:12 |
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| tellesnobrega | hmm, it was part of the plan yes, shuyingya was supposed to make that happen | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | 5.12? | 18:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | 5.12 came out in june I think | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | maybe we should try to merge 5.10 for pike and we upgrade to 5.12 in queens | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | what do you think? | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | it is very late to start a new patch now | 18:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | at this point, it's the same amount of work to get 5.10 ready vs 5.12 ready | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | even considering shuyingya's patch? | 18:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ok, it's slightly less work to 5.10 because the patch is there | 18:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but it is mostly just changing some numbers around for 5.12 | 18:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not to mention we still have to do sahara-side change for either version | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | ok | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | it makes sense to do to 12 | 18:16 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | hi esikachev | 18:16 |
| esikachev | hi | 18:16 |
| esikachev | sorry | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | hey esikachev, no worries | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, are you saying that you are willing to to do the work? /me hopes so | 18:17 |
| tellesnobrega | I mean, do you have the time? | 18:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, I will try. and ping you if I end up too busy | 18:17 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, thanks, let me know, I can help out for sure | 18:17 |
| jeremyfreudberg | luckily it easy enough -- shuyingya did some refactoring to cut down on the work | 18:18 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | well, not too easy, but easier | 18:18 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:18 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that's all I have to say about that topic, we can move on to something else | 18:18 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah, we have to formally thank him for the refactoring | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i have to step out for 1 minute, I will be back asap | 18:19 |
| jeremyfreudberg | my boss is being my boss | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, do you have any topics in mind to discuss? | 18:19 |
| esikachev | tellesnobrega: do you have any updates about hosts for sahara-ci? | 18:19 |
| esikachev | yes) | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, no worries | 18:19 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, so about that, we don't have any resources yet | 18:20 |
| esikachev | it's sad :( | 18:20 |
| tellesnobrega | it is | 18:20 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky is looking into adding some tests into the infra tests | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | at least for vanilla | 18:21 |
| esikachev | ok | 18:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, I am back | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | in the mean time we are looking for resources so we can have a full CI | 18:21 |
| esikachev | then I have not any topics | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:22 |
| esikachev | also, I don't have an answer from tsp | 18:22 |
| tellesnobrega | that is also sad, let me know when you get some help | 18:23 |
| tellesnobrega | some info | 18:23 |
| esikachev | ok | 18:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, I can see if my team https://massopen.cloud might have some resources, but really no promises | 18:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | for ci i mean | 18:24 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, that would be great | 18:24 |
| tellesnobrega | I don't take as a promise :) | 18:24 |
| esikachev | we need around 64gb | 18:25 |
| esikachev | it's min | 18:25 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, how many machines would be ideal for the CI? | 18:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | 64gb ram per machine? | 18:26 |
| esikachev | which machines? | 18:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | just so I can understand | 18:26 |
| tellesnobrega | or just a very big 64gb machine? | 18:26 |
| esikachev | it's for devstack | 18:26 |
| esikachev | because we have a huge cdh clusters | 18:27 |
| tellesnobrega | it is huge :( | 18:27 |
| esikachev | "huge" | 18:27 |
| esikachev | :) | 18:27 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 18:27 |
| esikachev | i will think about restructurisation of mechanism of ci | 18:28 |
| esikachev | maybe, we can use less resources | 18:28 |
| tellesnobrega | that would be cool, if you could present us the desired architecture | 18:28 |
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| esikachev | i will try | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | one more thing, on the topic of testing | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we still need to manually check ironic integration still works | 18:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | before pike relase | 18:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, true, i had forgot about that | 18:29 |
| tellesnobrega | do you have plans on that? | 18:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i don't really have plans | 18:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | certainly after FF | 18:30 |
| esikachev | tellesnobrega: btw, if you will have a tasks for development in sahara, i can help | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, yes. I will take a look into how to deploy fake ironic instances and see if I can test it | 18:31 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, yep, fake ironic was my thought too | 18:31 |
| jeremyfreudberg | esikachev, any task? | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | we can sync and try to get this going fast | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, did you think cdh upgrade as well? | 18:32 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | you mean for esikachev to help with that? | 18:32 |
| jeremyfreudberg | if he wants to | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | yeah | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | were you thinking into some other task? | 18:32 |
| esikachev | sometimes i have a free time | 18:32 |
| esikachev | i can | 18:33 |
| jeremyfreudberg | resolving the concerns in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333273/ ? | 18:33 |
| jeremyfreudberg | I also filed these two bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1705335 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1705037 lately | 18:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705335 in Sahara "[SIE] Cannot build image with oracle jdk" [Undecided,New] | 18:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705037 in Sahara "[UI] Caching can be improved" [Undecided,New] | 18:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but yes, CDH is the priority | 18:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | (or rather, plugins upgrading in general) | 18:34 |
| esikachev | but i have not any resources for devstack. only my macbook :) | 18:35 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, yes | 18:35 |
| esikachev | but 16gb :) | 18:35 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, if I could suggest I would recommend upgrade cdh to 5.10 and 5.12 | 18:35 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 18:36 |
| jeremyfreudberg | most of that work can be done without devstack | 18:36 |
| esikachev | ok | 18:36 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 18:36 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | esikachev, when I ask about new CI resources, I can also ask about donating some resources for your general use too | 18:36 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but no promises | 18:36 |
| esikachev | thanks, it will be good | 18:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I have other topic to discuss, I hit an interesting issue yesterday, I was trying to run a job that its binary was "large", around 115MB | 18:38 |
| esikachev | we can use 64gb labs, but we can get large queue of patches | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | two problems that I saw, first is that it timed out to copy the jar file. This can be solved by changing the timeout | 18:39 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, is this internal db? or swift? | 18:40 |
| tellesnobrega | but the bigger problem here is, sftp.write() from paramike takes a long time to write files when the files get bigger (not sure if linear) | 18:40 |
| tellesnobrega | swift | 18:40 |
| esikachev | yes, I suggested adding nightly jobs for testing this case | 18:41 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, i see | 18:41 |
| tellesnobrega | looking around, the solution can be increasing the sftp window size | 18:41 |
| esikachev | something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367959/ | 18:41 |
| notmyname | tellesnobrega: swift will only return success after the data has been fsync'd, so larger objects will take longer to write than smaller objects (regardless of differences in network transfer) | 18:42 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, I think the real solution is actually something else | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | notmyname, I don't think the problem was from swift | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so right now we have binary retriever inside of sahara itself | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/master/sahara/service/edp/binary_retrievers/internal_swift.py#L36 | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | the problem is when sahara writes the files to the remote isntance | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | actually we should not do the retrieving inside of sahara | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we should instead retrieve it from inside the cluster itself | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but that is a bigger discussion | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, maybe a bigger discussion (will add to the queens ptg etherpad) | 18:44 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, yep | 18:45 |
| tellesnobrega | one thing that I tried was using sftp.put instead of write and the transfer goes a lot faster | 18:45 |
| tellesnobrega | have to check with sahara, just tried a dummy example | 18:45 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | cool, let me know what happens | 18:46 |
| tellesnobrega | I will create a bug on this | 18:46 |
| jeremyfreudberg | great | 18:47 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | anything else to discuss? | 18:48 |
| tellesnobrega | not from my side | 18:48 |
| tellesnobrega | you? esikachev? | 18:48 |
| esikachev | from me too | 18:49 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that's it for mee | 18:49 |
| jeremyfreudberg | *me | 18:49 |
| tellesnobrega | ok, thanks guys for showing up, turned out the meeting was better than expected | 18:50 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep, very good meeting | 18:50 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I will take a look into those bugs | 18:50 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks | 18:50 |
| tellesnobrega | keep an eye for the one I'm filing | 18:50 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yep, i already added a small reference to it on the etherpa | 18:50 |
| jeremyfreudberg | d | 18:51 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so i don't forget | 18:51 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks esikachev for helping out | 18:51 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:51 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 18:51 |
| jeremyfreudberg | thanks esikachev! | 18:51 |
| esikachev | np) | 18:51 |
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| tellesnobrega | lets keep up the good work :) | 18:51 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-07-20-18.00.html | 18:51 |
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