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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 24 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Weekly_Nova_Scheduler_team_meeting | 14:00 |
| * gibi lurks | 14:00 | |
| edleafe | Who's here? | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Ah, we can stretch out - not crowded at all! | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm horizontally scalable. I consume quite a bit of room. Sorry. | 14:02 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: :) | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Guess we should get started | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs & Reviews | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs & Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | #link Amend spec for Custom Resource Classes in Flavors: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481748/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | This looks like its fine as is, but there are some lingering questions on the review | 14:03 |
| * bauzas waves | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | And this is the implementation of that spec amendment: | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i just need to update wording | 14:04 |
| edleafe | #link Migrate Ironic Flavors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484949/ | 14:04 |
| cdent | i posted in response to mriedem on the os-dev list as well, with a related question (on rp update 29 thread) | 14:04 |
| edleafe | I'm working on addressing dansmith's comments | 14:04 |
| * edleafe still has to catch up on dev list emails | 14:05 | |
| edleafe | #link Claims in the Scheduler - series starting with: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486170/ | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: How is that looking for FF Thursday? | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: err... just needs to get through the gate :) | 14:06 |
| edleafe | ok, so just gate issues? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | ya | 14:07 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: looks you need a rebase nope ? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | kewl | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I addressed all of your and mriedem's comments IIRC | 14:07 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: it's in my review stack | 14:07 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I just +W'd the bottom change but it requires updating the others | 14:07 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566 ? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: put a tight retry loop for claiming into the report client (the dep patch) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes.. | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ok dropped the -1 | 14:08 |
| mriedem | will have to re-review | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: danke | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: how was beautiful South Dakota? :) | 14:08 |
| mriedem | great | 14:08 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: like I said https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566/ needs to be rebased to be on top of the last rev of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486170/ | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | good. happy times. | 14:08 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: i wrestled 5 kids in a green lake for a full day, your dream | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: done | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cool, will review shortly | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: eww. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Following up on that series: | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link Add alternate hosts: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486215/ | 14:09 |
| bauzas | honestly, I'd make sure we land this one before Wed | 14:09 |
| edleafe | I would appreciate some feedback on those patches | 14:10 |
| bauzas | or we could enter the gate blackhole | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I will review again shortly. it's top of my list this morning. | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: first run through looked sensible. | 14:10 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: thanks | 14:10 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: seems like you have a thing to change here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483566/7/nova/scheduler/filter_scheduler.py@214 | 14:10 |
| mriedem | based on your comment for 'good catch' | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and you didn't change it in the latest patch, otherwise the -1 would be gone from edleafe after the rebase | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: hrmph. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: k, I thought I'd done that. | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: will be done in a pinch.... | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Next up: | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #link Traits support in the Allocation Candidates: https://review.openstack.org/478464/ | 14:13 |
| edleafe | This should probably be merged/coordinated with | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to the ResourceProviders filters: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474602/ | 14:13 |
| edleafe | Both are doing similar things, but each on one of the 2 methods for returning RPs | 14:13 |
| mriedem | we don't need those for pike right? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | they seem like noise at this point | 14:14 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, I'm not spending time on them. Just noting them for completeness | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Similarly: | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Devstack to use resource classes by default: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476968/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Currently marked as -W | 14:15 |
| edleafe | and: | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Nested Resource Providers: series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470575/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Still in limbo | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: without traits, nested r-ps is kinda neutered. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | I'm confused about traits use for Pike | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: so might as well push. | 14:15 |
| * dtantsur is sorry, he could not spend much time on the resource classes patch | 14:15 | |
| bauzas | if we don't check them by the scheduler, how is it working if someone is updating a flavor ? | 14:16 |
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| jaypipes | dtantsur: it's cool. I said I'd look into the failure and haven't had a chance to yet :( | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | releasezzz and broken gatezzzz | 14:16 |
| bauzas | or is it just meaning the traits support is incomplete ? | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: the filters in the scheduler still check all qualitative stuff. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: support for traits in flavors won't make it in Pike | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: right. just the placement-scheduler integration of traits. | 14:16 |
| edleafe | what jaypipes said | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: due to flavors not containing them and virt drivers not (yet) reporting them. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | okay, thanks for clarifying | 14:17 |
| bauzas | I wasn't fully on board due to my numerous leaves :( | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | Next up: | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #link wsgi-intercept-based PlacementFixture: https://review.openstack.org/486237 | 14:18 |
| edleafe | cdent: anything to note? | 14:18 |
| cdent | mriedem, melwitt and I discussed making that happen last friday so I made it happen. seems to work. just wanted to highlight it's existence as it ought to smooth the gate a bit | 14:18 |
| cdent | also have a version of the same thing for the OSAPIFixture pending (it's a little more messy, but nearly there) | 14:19 |
| mriedem | but, it failed | 14:19 |
| cdent | sigh | 14:19 |
| cdent | that's the first time in in 8(?) tries | 14:19 |
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| cdent | I saw those same two failures on some other changes too. I'll investigate later, but I suspect it is not a killer | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Finally: | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link Placement api-ref docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/placement-api-ref+status:open | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Looking very green! | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Anything else for specs/reviews? | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | not from me, thanks edleafe | 14:21 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:22 | |
| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:22 |
| edleafe | Nothing new this week | 14:22 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:23 | |
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| edleafe | Anyone have something on their mind? | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:24 |
| edleafe | hi ralonsoh | 14:24 |
| ralonsoh | I still have some reviews pending | 14:24 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/enable-sriov-nic-features | 14:24 |
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| ralonsoh | The first you patches are needed for the feature | 14:24 |
| ralonsoh | and I don't think there is time enough for Pike... | 14:25 |
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| ralonsoh | This feature is needed for OVS offload features (Nova and Neutron) | 14:26 |
| edleafe | The first two look pretty solid | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | cool | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | #action All to review the Neutron port series https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/enable-sriov-nic-features | 14:27 |
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| ralonsoh | thanks! | 14:28 |
| mriedem | the 2nd needs to be rebased on the 1st | 14:28 |
| ralonsoh | in 1 min I'll do it | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Anything else? Or is it time to get back to work/dinner/sleep? | 14:29 |
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| cdent | naw mate | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | OK, that's a wrap! Thanks everyone! | 14:30 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 24 14:30:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-07-24-14.00.html | 14:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-07-24-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-07-24-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
| ralonsoh | bye | 14:30 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 24 21:02:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:02 |
| shamail | #topic roll call | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:03 | |
| shamail | Hi who's here for the PWG meeting today? | 21:03 |
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| pchadwick | o/ | 21:04 |
| shamail | Hi pchadwick | 21:04 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:04 |
| shamail | It's just us so far... let's give another 4-5 minutes | 21:04 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR | 21:04 |
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| pchadwick | Hi MeganR, hi Shamail. | 21:04 |
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| pchadwick | Ah - summertime. | 21:05 |
| shamail | Yep yep | 21:05 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:05 |
| shamail | Leong is in China for OpenStack Days | 21:05 |
| shamail | Hi rockyg | 21:05 |
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| rockyg | hey | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:05 |
| shamail | Hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:05 |
| shamail | Let's get started! | 21:05 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:06 |
| shamail | ^ agenda for today | 21:06 |
| shamail | I have to drop off at 5:30P (23 minutes)... anyone willing to chair afterwards? | 21:06 |
| pchadwick | I need to drop as well. | 21:06 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | lets do everything in 25 min | 21:06 |
| shamail | #topic Review of action items | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we did not had meeting laest week. | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:07 | |
| rockyg | Arkady_Kanevsky, ++ | 21:07 |
| shamail | Any open items that anyone wants to give an update on? | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | did not get any feedback on on my wiki proposal. Will start executing on it. | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | expect no response as no objections to proceed. | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Andy and I will divi up work on it | 21:08 |
| shamail | Sounds great, thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:08 |
| shamail | Changing topics | 21:08 |
| shamail | #topic Virtual Product WG Midcycle | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual Product WG Midcycle (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:08 | |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VIR-pwg-meetup-2017q3 | 21:09 |
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| shamail | We have quite a few topics in the etherpad | 21:09 |
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| pchadwick | do we want to vote on the topics as we are voting on the dates | 21:09 |
| pchadwick | ? | 21:09 |
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| shamail | pchadwick: +1 | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | how to vote? | 21:10 |
| shamail | Please vote in the etherpad for the next couple of minutes | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | haveing 3 +1 to use; priority order? | 21:10 |
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| shamail | Can someone please read the results afterwards? I'm mobile so etherpad won't cooperate :) | 21:10 |
| shamail | I would say +1 all topics you think are a good use of time and then we can determine length and trim if needed | 21:11 |
| shamail | Did everyone vote? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | yes | 21:13 |
| shamail | Thanks. Anyone else? Please let us know when you're ready to proceed | 21:14 |
| rockyg | yeah | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | I'm done | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | looks like week of sept11 is a winner | 21:14 |
| MeganR | I'm good | 21:14 |
| shamail | Cool | 21:14 |
| shamail | Alright, anyone mind listing the top 5 topics? | 21:15 |
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| shamail | (Can't view etherpad) | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | PWG objectives and action plan | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OpenStack roadmap and end of big tent | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Review/define our measure of effectiveness | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Tie for next 3 | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Development Proposal Readiness Assessment Process | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Revisit CPL and project laiason | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | What's the next step to get more engagement/support from TC/PTL/Core | 21:16 |
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| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | and one more for the tie - What's the next step to get more engagement/support from TC/PTL/Core | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry - Review proposals we drive | 21:16 |
| shamail | It seems that measure of effectiveness and more engagement could be grouped under PWG objectives and plan | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Top 3 are clear | 21:17 |
| shamail | That's a pretty good list | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | How do we want to drive remote meeting? | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we spread it over 3 days? | 21:17 |
| pchadwick | PWG objectives and define measure of effectiveness are closely related. | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | One major, one minor topic a day? | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | How many hours per day? | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | MY guess is 3 hours. | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | OK | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 2 for major, 1 for minor | 21:18 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | bio break in between | 21:18 |
| shamail | I'm thinking PWG objectives with those topics grouped under it = 3 hours, roadmap = 1 hour, Dev Proposal Readiness = 1 hour, CPL = 30 min, Proposals we drive = 1 hour | 21:18 |
| shamail | So about 6.5 hours of topics | 21:19 |
| shamail | How about 2 days at 4 hours each? | 21:19 |
| shamail | This gives us time for breaks and overflow | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | That should be doable from my side. | 21:19 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | which days? | 21:19 |
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| pchadwick | Tuesday and Wednesday are much better for me. | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | (in the PM) | 21:20 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: not sure yet, 9/11 seems to be the winner. We should do a doodle poll with 3-4 different 2 day options for that week. | 21:20 |
| MeganR | +1 for the Doodle poll | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Spet 11 is wrong as it PTG week. | 21:21 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It should be a week before | 21:21 |
| shamail | Which week won? | 21:21 |
| shamail | A lot of us aren't at PTG | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think it is Sept 5-8 | 21:22 |
| shamail | Will take a look | 21:22 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | but some people are and foundation people are there | 21:22 |
| shamail | The 9/4 and 9/11 seem to be a tie | 21:22 |
| pchadwick | 11-SEP has one more vote. | 21:23 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_kanevsky didn't vote for 4-SEP | 21:23 |
| shamail | #action shamail will send out poll to confirm midcycle: will make M/Tu, Tu/W, W/Th, Th/F the options | 21:23 |
| rockyg | Yeah. 9/11 got negative votes. | 21:23 |
| mrhillsman | interwebs! | 21:23 |
| shamail | I thought 9/18 had negative | 21:23 |
| shamail | Will take a look tonight and pick the winner | 21:24 |
| shamail | Hi mrhillsman | 21:24 |
| rockyg | Check to see the diff between the + and - signs | 21:24 |
| shamail | Okay, moving on! | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | Ah - rockyg missed that. | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +4 for Spet 4. +3 for Sept 11 | 21:24 |
| shamail | #topic Sydney Summit/Forum preparation | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sydney Summit/Forum preparation (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:24 | |
| shamail | Who submitted sessions? Need any help? | 21:24 |
| shamail | We typically have a BoF, working session, and roadmap | 21:25 |
| shamail | pchadwick has roadmap session | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | Anne and I started discussing the roadmap process | 21:25 |
| shamail | I think leong submitted the other two | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | Plan is to use the same template and flow that we did last time. | 21:25 |
| pchadwick | If anyone has suggestions to improve, let us know. | 21:25 |
| shamail | Hey, I discussed too :P | 21:26 |
| rockyg | submitted a panel on interop with projects outside of the foundation projects | 21:26 |
| shamail | Nice rockyg | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | shamail +1 | 21:26 |
| shamail | I just won't be there (only in spirit) | 21:26 |
| rockyg | BoF submissions haven't opened yet. | 21:26 |
| rockyg | I don't *think* | 21:26 |
| shamail | Let's find out from Leong next week if he needs help with BoF | 21:27 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:27 |
| shamail | BoF will open with Forum sessions | 21:27 |
| shamail | #action let PWG know if you submitted a session and want help | 21:27 |
| shamail | #topic review open changes | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review open changes (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:28 | |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/development-proposals+status:open | 21:28 |
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| shamail | I see a few that need a recheck | 21:29 |
| shamail | (No verified) | 21:29 |
| shamail | Should we abandon the submissions from Piet? | 21:29 |
| mrhillsman | quite a few there | 21:29 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I have AI to review 2 proposals | 21:29 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: yes, lots of older items where the person leading is no longer involved | 21:30 |
| shamail | We should review this list at the midcycle and groom it | 21:30 |
| rockyg | It's possible some of Piet's got resubmitted. I think he had a log msg traceability one that is now a real one. | 21:30 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:30 |
| shamail | rockyg: nice but the ones listed here are superseded or inactive right? | 21:31 |
| shamail | Unless the new ones reference this proposal in which case it should probably merge after cleanup | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We need to review the ownership of current proposals and new submitted one. WHo are new owners for the ones that lost onwer. | 21:31 |
| shamail | Sounds good | 21:32 |
| shamail | #action We should review open items at midcycle and groom the list. | 21:32 |
| shamail | #topic opens | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:32 | |
| shamail | Anything else? | 21:32 |
| shamail | We did the meeting in 33 minutes! | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have we abandon review of forum feedback? | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | hurray! | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | we had Ais from 2 weeks ago on it. | 21:33 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we should discuss this once leong is back | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:33 |
| pchadwick | ciao all | 21:33 |
| shamail | I think the Ops midcycle will use the hashtag system but it didn't provide much value at the Forum | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks all. | 21:33 |
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| shamail | (We didn't follow up and look for insights from the data) | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | diagree. we did not had resources to review results | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct shamail | 21:34 |
| shamail | Exactly | 21:34 |
| shamail | We have to ensure that we can deliver before asking for the forum hashtags | 21:34 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:34 |
| shamail | thank you everyone! | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 20 min gives me time to review some patches | 21:35 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks | 21:35 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 21:35 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: good luck at OpenStack Day China | 21:35 |
| shamail | Cya | 21:35 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 21:35 |
| mrhillsman | l8r | 21:35 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 24 21:35:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-07-24-21.02.html | 21:35 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-07-24-21.02.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-07-24-21.02.log.html | 21:35 |
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| * fungi looks around zuulishly | 22:01 | |
| jeblair | any other zuulish looking folks around? | 22:01 |
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| fungi | i would totally eat that | 22:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 24 22:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:02 | |
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| jeblair | mordred propose ptg-related cutover timeline | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | i haven't seen any activity regarding this | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | and i haven't seen mordred around today | 22:03 |
| fungi | nor have i. i wonder if he left it in an airport lounge | 22:03 |
| jeblair | ya | 22:04 |
| jeblair | but this came up because last week we said "folks should go to the ptg cause we want to do the cutover there" | 22:04 |
| jeblair | and then other folks said "when?" | 22:04 |
| jeblair | and we said "... erm... around the ptg?" | 22:04 |
| jeblair | so anyway, storytime over, i think we need to figure this out asap | 22:05 |
| jeblair | fungi: you mentioned you and mordred are in an all-day meeting on sunday, yeah? | 22:05 |
| Shrews | yep. gotta book rsn | 22:05 |
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| fungi | jeblair: ~8am-5pm i think, yes | 22:06 |
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| fungi | and i probably won't be checked into my hotel until early saturday evening | 22:06 |
| fungi | though i could try to help over in-flight wifi or something | 22:06 |
| jeblair | so let's assume that doing the cutover during the meeting is out. :) | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 22:08 |
| jeblair | and yeah, saturday is similarly problematic for both of you, and potentially others. | 22:08 |
| jeblair | so it's looking a lot like either we just stay up all sunday night with pizza and beer, or monday morning. | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | as yet I'm not scheduled to attend the PTG | 22:09 |
| fungi | well, i am limited on availability of flights, and have tickets to a concert right before which christine won't let me skip since it's for her birthday | 22:09 |
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| SpamapS | but I can request and go if folks feel I should be there | 22:09 |
| fungi | but yeah, i can meet people saturday night and sunday night | 22:09 |
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| clarkb | saturday is hard beacuse it makes a 5 day trip a week long trip | 22:10 |
| clarkb | but not impossible | 22:10 |
| fungi | SpamapS: i wouldn't want to pressure anyone into going, but i do love seeing you and you're always a huge help | 22:10 |
| Shrews | how much time are we anticipating this would take up? according to what mordred said last, we slowly do some migrations up to the point of the ptg, then just switch the rest. | 22:10 |
| jeblair | Shrews: i would say physically making the switch: not much time. dealing with the fallout? a lot. | 22:11 |
| jeblair | which is why i'm leaning toward monday morning | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | fungi: ty :) | 22:12 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: i need a karoake/bar/spa guide... if you aren't there, i will be lost | 22:12 |
| jeblair | if we switch saturday night, then we're out fungi and mordred on sunday to help fix things. | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: the reasons for going are stacking up! :) | 22:12 |
| fungi | i suppose we can always do a trial cut over saturday night with a plan to rollback regardless of the result, and then repeat sunday night? | 22:13 |
| Shrews | jeblair: so, sounds like switch sunday night, deal with fallout monday before everybody gets all ramped up on their group things sounds reasonable? | 22:13 |
| Shrews | or fungi's thing | 22:13 |
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| fungi | i also hate people scheduling around my availability, but mordred does seem a little more critical to the effort | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | Are we avoiding doing it any earlier because we don't think project team members will be available to help fix their jobs due to travel? | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | To me, our usual distributed working environment will be good for all but the hardest fails. | 22:14 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: mordred and i (at least) are at ansible SF the week before | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | Ah ok there are conflicts .. that makes sense. | 22:14 |
| fungi | and my travelling starts wednesday before that weekend due to aforementioned concertgoing | 22:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, i like the idea of trial rollouts in the evenings. | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | Yeah sounds like Saturday might be the way to go. Could cut peoples week short maybe, so they're not there for 7 days. | 22:15 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure i actually want to make the switch on sunday night and leave it running since i'm pretty sure that will actually mean no sleep :) | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | like, have some come for saturday, some sunday, some monday... so you get a rolling team and fresh brains on Monday | 22:16 |
| jeblair | but i could do a trial saturday night, then accumulate things to work on on the flight over on sunday, repeat sunday night, then go for real on monday. | 22:16 |
| pabelanger | I like the idea of running it for a bit on saturday / sunday. Collect some data (failures) then work on playbooks / roles | 22:17 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: +1 | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, the more we can do to handle the obvious problems, the less critical it will be to have a huge mass of people working on it after the real cutover. | 22:18 |
| clarkb | maybe run it as shadow zuul starting saturday, fix issues as they come up then make shadow zuul real zuul on monday | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | Also should we maybe put a few open session times on the cross-project schedule for team reps to come debug with us? | 22:18 |
| clarkb | that way you don't have to go back and forth each day | 22:18 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i think mordreds plan is to have it shadowing some significant portion before the ptg even | 22:19 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yes! i think that's on our brainstorming etherpad already even | 22:19 |
| pabelanger | Ya, we are pretty close to shadowing tox jobs right now | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | ah good | 22:19 |
| fungi | i'm also in the middle of procrastinating a brief announcement to the infra ml pointing people at that etherpad | 22:19 |
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| jeblair | how's this for something to agree on: we plan to briefly switch to zuulv3 on saturday and sunday evenings before the ptg, and aim for a permanent cutover (if there are no blockers) suday evening or monday morning. | 22:21 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:21 |
| jeblair | so that accomodates folks traveling and/or meeting on saturday or sunday | 22:21 |
| fungi | monday morning plan to officially go live seems better the more i think about it | 22:22 |
| jamielennox | you have venue acess for that time? | 22:22 |
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| clarkb | jamielennox: bar access you mean? | 22:22 |
| fungi | so that nobody feels compelled to stay up all sunday night | 22:22 |
| jamielennox | or just doing that virtually | 22:22 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: good question. yeah, bar+virtual i think | 22:22 |
| fungi | jamielennox: the conference room with the really long one-sided table | 22:22 |
| SpamapS | Perhaps the foundation can make a room available on Sunday? | 22:22 |
| pabelanger | wfm | 22:22 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: bars are venues, just wondering if you were meaning physical presence for people or not | 22:22 |
| jeblair | personally, if we go with this, i'll be at home sat night, then bar/hotel/whatever sun night. | 22:22 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: my guess is that a request for evening venue use would not be straightforward | 22:23 |
| jamielennox | bars are possibly my favourite venues | 22:23 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: oh good point | 22:23 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that is likely to be my situation as well | 22:23 |
| fungi | SpamapS: i can ask the organizers for a room sunday, but i don't think they actually have the venue booked (the bod/uc/tc meeting is somewhere else if memory serves) | 22:24 |
| clarkb | I'd virtual saturday, fly in sunday, bar sunday evening | 22:24 |
| jeblair | #agreed we plan to briefly switch to zuulv3 on saturday and sunday evenings before the ptg, and aim for a permanent cutover (if there are no blockers) monday morning | 22:24 |
| jeblair | fungi: i dropped the "sunday evening cutover" option :) | 22:24 |
| fungi | i'm cool with that. rest up, cut over monday morning | 22:25 |
| jeblair | #agreed we might find a bar sunday evening to help facilitate a smooth transition | 22:25 |
| fungi | yeah, hacking in hotel bar/lounge/lobby seems fine to me | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | everyone have what they need to book now? | 22:26 |
| fungi | jawol! | 22:26 |
| jeblair | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 22:26 |
| Shrews | sounds good to me | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | fungi: officially we have a room for how many days? | 22:27 |
| fungi | five | 22:27 |
| pabelanger | yup, will talk with manager in the morning | 22:27 |
| jeblair | oh nice :) | 22:27 |
| fungi | though i'm reiterating in my e-mail to the list which should go out shortly after this meeting and my dinner wrap up | 22:28 |
| jeblair | so we don't even need to find a bar mid-week | 22:28 |
| Shrews | jeblair: that is an incorrect statement | 22:28 |
| fungi | monday/tuesday we should try to make some space in our room for people from other teams to come ask us questions or for help with their problems | 22:28 |
| Shrews | b/c i will *so* need to find a bar | 22:28 |
| Shrews | :) | 22:28 |
| clarkb | fungi: and possibly even do embedded debugging/outreach | 22:28 |
| clarkb | rather than forcing people to find us | 22:29 |
| fungi | yes, that too | 22:29 |
| jeblair | Shrews, fungi, clarkb: ++ | 22:29 |
| fungi | but specifically one of the things monday/tuesday are slotted for this time around is horizontal teams helping other teams | 22:29 |
| fungi | so we should plan to have guests, i think | 22:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: including helping them with problems that we're causing for them! | 22:30 |
| pabelanger | :) | 22:30 |
| fungi | *yes* | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i like this format. i think it will work well. | 22:30 |
| jeblair | all right! that's one action item taken care of. | 22:31 |
| jeblair | i'm going to drop the other two because those are just turning into jlk/jeblair todolist items. i don't think we've forgotten. | 22:31 |
| jeblair | jlk add meat to github docs re app setup and depends-on | 22:31 |
| jeblair | jeblair make anchors for keywords | 22:31 |
| jeblair | for reference | 22:31 |
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| clarkb | we should probably send mail to the dev list with that rough plan as well | 22:32 |
| clarkb | just so that it isn't a complete surprise when people show up on monday | 22:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah. i'll try to hound mordred about that this week. | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | and if that fails, i will write an email saying "mordred is planning on...." :) | 22:32 |
| jeblair | #action mordred send email to dev list about ptg cutover | 22:33 |
| fungi | right, i assumed that fair warning was a prominent aspect of mordred's thing | 22:33 |
| fungi | and would incorporate our tentative schedule | 22:33 |
| jeblair | yeah, and we still have time to produce at least a 1 month warning. | 22:33 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: standard job library | 22:34 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: how's the tox job coming? | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | slowly :) | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | I think we're almost done getting shell scripts out of tox playbooks / roles | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | only a few things left. Hope to finished that up this week | 22:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: w00t | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tox_environment_defaults is ready for review / bikeshed | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | if people are interested | 22:36 |
| pabelanger | that brings online openstack-py35 job with upper-constraints | 22:36 |
| jeblair | i landed a bunch of changes to how post/tag/periodic jobs are run | 22:36 |
| jeblair | which should make it pretty easy to use the same check jobs in those pipelines | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | also started testing multinode jobs, found a few issues and patches uploaded. Mostly around logging | 22:37 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486228/ | 22:37 |
| jeblair | i just pushed up a revision of jamielennox's site variables change: https://review.openstack.org/447734 | 22:38 |
| jeblair | which i broke. i'll fix it. | 22:38 |
| jeblair | hopefully jamielennox doesn't hate it :) | 22:39 |
| jamielennox | jeblair: i was going to chat with you on that in #zuul afterwards | 22:39 |
| jeblair | (uhoh) | 22:39 |
| jamielennox | oh, i only looked at the basics and it's fine | 22:39 |
| jamielennox | but mostly the reason we wanted it was to put different variables in for like a log server | 22:39 |
| jeblair | at any rate, the relevance here is that if we get something like that in, then we can continue to put more configurable things in zuul-jobs | 22:40 |
| jeblair | like that ^ :) | 22:40 |
| jamielennox | i haven't looked at this, but could the same thing be accomplished with job shadowing for different environments? | 22:40 |
| fungi | should we be planning to slush-freeze project-config:jenkins/*/* soon to avoid regressions? | 22:40 |
| jamielennox | but i still think it's a useful idea | 22:40 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: yes it can. i think we may want all of these tools. | 22:40 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: i think the hope is to try to make the jobs in zuul-jobs (including "base") as generally useful as possible, with variables to help with that up to a point. then when you cross that point and you really need different local behavior, shadow jobs. | 22:41 |
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| fungi | like, for anything which isn't slated as part of the scripted config transformation, i'm worried people working on playbook versions may miss subsequent alterations on the "legacy" production copies between now and cut-over | 22:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think we're going to need to keep jenkins/jobs moving until close to the cutover | 22:42 |
| jeblair | fungi: but maybe we can freeze jenkins/scripts now? | 22:42 |
| fungi | well, _most_ changes under jenkins/jobs/ are to job payloads, not nearly so much to macros | 22:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: right, so i'm hoping we can keep caught up with changes to them with subsequent runs of the migration script | 22:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: freezing macros earlier might be a good idea | 22:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: that should help avoid getting an entirely new class of job we have to write new handlers for | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | I would say we already have some non backward compatible changes in our zuulv3 jobs now. We should get them documented some place too | 22:44 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: how so? aren't we running them on repos that are running the current versions as well? | 22:44 |
| fungi | yeah, my concern was mostly macros.yaml, maybe python-jobs.yaml and some others along those lines | 22:44 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i mean we're making lots of *changes*, but i don't think we're breaking compatability per-se. we are still using the CTI. | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: I was thinking about subunit 50MB file size and no longer pip freeze output in logging | 22:46 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: why are we no longer keeping pip freeze output in the logs? | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: we are, but tox does it by default | 22:46 |
| pabelanger | rather then us calling pip freeze | 22:46 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: yeah, those are worth mentioning so people are aware. i would not characterize them as breaking backwards compat. | 22:47 |
| jeblair | i expect us to write a "zuulv3 for openstack devs" document before the ptg. that would be a good place to put those. | 22:47 |
| pabelanger | another biggest change is removal of fallback support in bindep. That hasn;t merged but patches are up | 22:47 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: that will break a lot of stuff if it went in today, iirc most projecst have not switched to using bindep | 22:48 |
| jeblair | that should really be a post-v3-cutover task, no? | 22:48 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: agree, but we might not want that in zuul-jobs. So we might need to carry something for openstack-zuul-jobs? | 22:48 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: no, we granted ourselves a waiver on that. :) | 22:49 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: it's a thing we decided we can put in zuul-jobs temporarily, until we remove the fallback. | 22:49 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: (maybe we should enable it with a site-local variable so it doesn't bother other people) | 22:49 |
| jeblair | and hopefully soon after zuulv3, we can remove it | 22:50 |
| pabelanger | possible, if we still want fallback.txt, I can rework 482650 to try and support it, while keeping it out of zuul-jobs too | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | the less changes we have to juggle in transition, the better | 22:50 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | would rather have a few rolls of duct tape worth of fixes on the final zuul-jobs than unusable perfection | 22:51 |
| jeblair | this one has a simple path forward regardless of the transition, so no need to tie the two together | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | yeah | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | ANd anybody who is bothered.. can help fix it. :) | 22:52 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: by editing a text file! | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | hopefully they can exit that editor after | 22:52 |
| jeblair | anything else on jobs? | 22:53 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: (web) console streaming | 22:53 |
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| jeblair | thanks to Shrews, mordred, tobiash, we haz web console streaming | 22:54 |
| jeblair | if you haven't seen it, go look, it's awesome | 22:54 |
| fungi | i never got to witness the poc in action. is the apache config in place on zuulv3.o.o now? | 22:54 |
| jeblair | yep | 22:54 |
| * fungi goes to the bigger computer | 22:54 | |
| * jeblair rechecks a change | 22:54 | |
| jeblair | http://zuulv3.openstack.org/static/stream.html?uuid=0f3f5a18029b426f96a1596028576282&logfile=console.log | 22:55 |
| fungi | nice! | 22:55 |
| clarkb | I like its hosted under /static :) | 22:55 |
| jeblair | that's linked to from the status page | 22:55 |
| jeblair | http://zuulv3.openstack.org/ | 22:55 |
| fungi | yeah, that's the link i followed | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | I expect the Jenkins folks to sue us any day now ;) | 22:55 |
| fungi | and i just saw it update spontaneously, so really streaming! | 22:55 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yep, apache ftw | 22:56 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: ours is white on black. there's is black on white. | 22:56 |
| jeblair | completely different. | 22:56 |
| jeblair | also... | 22:56 |
| jeblair | ours has *hostnames* in the log | 22:56 |
| * fungi goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself run over at the next zebra crossing | 22:56 | |
| jeblair | because it's a streaming multi-host console log | 22:56 |
| clarkb | feature idea, make redirects to the logs servers once the ephemeral stream is gone, also support timestamp based linking | 22:57 |
| jeblair | which is.. i mean, have you seen one of those before? :) | 22:57 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, that was an inadvertant bug. i think there's a fix in flight? | 22:57 |
| jeblair | (the link switch) | 22:57 |
| Shrews | jeblair: in place now | 22:57 |
| clarkb | ah cool | 22:57 |
| fungi | jeblair: technically we didn't implement streaming web console logs, we invented job logging over finger protocol and a streaming web proxy for finger ;) | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | obviously | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | finger | 22:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: ayup | 22:58 |
| fungi | we just happened to then give it the finger | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | so glad we could finally give telnet users the finger. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | we still need a finger multiplexer, so we can "finger uuid@zuul.openstack.org" | 22:58 |
| jeblair | but even i will admit, that's not a pre-ptg blocker. :) | 22:58 |
| fungi | does travis have streaming logs of jobs as they run? | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | at least that's already built into the protocol :) | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | fungi: yes | 22:59 |
| fungi | i will admit to having never really looked at travis at all | 22:59 |
| SpamapS | with terminal colors | 22:59 |
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| fungi | in that case i like ours better | 22:59 |
| fungi | ;) | 23:00 |
| jamielennox | yea, for future the part i like about travis's streaming is that you can collapse different bits | 23:00 |
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| fungi | 2017-07-24 23:00:01.677235 | ubuntu-xenial | 1mwriting output... ;49;00m[ 3%] madmin/client;49;00m | 23:00 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: we are annotating the different phases, so we can totally do that | 23:00 |
| fungi | you're saying that would have been colorful in travis i guess | 23:00 |
| jamielennox | like it will collapse the machine setup (that i probably don't care about) when it's done | 23:00 |
| SpamapS | they have the benefit of strong coupling between test runner and frontend... | 23:00 |
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| SpamapS | but we kind of do too since we get to have ansible action plugins | 23:01 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, there's a lot of stuff we can do | 23:01 |
| jamielennox | jeblair: yep, this is impressive already, not trying to get too far ahead | 23:01 |
| Shrews | time's up folks | 23:01 |
| jeblair | see also mordred's json output | 23:01 |
| jeblair | Shrews: so it is | 23:01 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: as a noob to $project I hate that. makes it really hard to find anything with grepping | 23:01 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:01 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| clarkb | jamielennox: I end up having to click all the buttons before ^F works... | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 24 23:01:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-07-24-22.02.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-07-24-22.02.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-07-24-22.02.log.html | 23:01 |
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