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edleafe#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 31 14:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler'14:00
mriedemo/14:00
edleafeWho's here today?14:00
dansmithkinda14:00
gibi_o/14:00
* edleafe hands dansmith some coffee14:00
bauzas\o14:01
alex_xuo/14:01
cdento/14:01
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edleafeJay Pipes doesn't seem to be around14:02
edleafeOh well, let's get started14:02
edleafe#topic Specs & Reviews14:02
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edleafe#link Correct allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488510/14:03
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edleafeThis series is correcting (by removing) allocations from computes14:03
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edleafeSince Jay isn't around, anyone else have comments on this?14:04
dansmithjust to be clear,14:04
jaypipeshey I'm here now, sorry for being late14:04
dansmithI think the plan is to land that resize_confirm one, but not the full allocate-ectomy patch for pike14:04
* edleafe smacks jaypipes on the wrist for tardiness14:04
jaypipesdansmith is correct. the last patch was an exploratory one.14:05
edleafeah14:05
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edleafeI had read them as a one-two punch14:05
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gibi_based on the functional test in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487958/ the confirming the resize does not remove the allocation from the source host14:05
edleafegibi_: that was next up:14:06
edleafe#link Test resize with placement API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48795814:06
gibi_I moved that patch to of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488510/14:06
gibi_and made the periodic tasks run in the test14:06
edleafe#undo14:06
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48795814:06
edleafe#link Test resize with placement API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48851014:06
edleafesorry about that14:07
gibi_and it is now fails at a stable point14:07
gibi_it seems that resource clean up is missing both after confirm and revert14:07
edleafegibi_: any idea where this is going wrong?14:08
gibi_what I see is that the source host still has allocations after the resize has been confirmed14:08
gibi_even if I let the periodic tasks run14:08
gibi_I mean the update_available_resources task14:08
gibi_similarly in case of revert the target host keeps the allocation14:09
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dansmithgibi_: both hosts have allocations or just the source?14:09
dansmithboth keeping the allocations means the periodic is doing the right thing (not interfering with a  migration)14:09
gibi_dansmith: I have to check but I think both has the allocation14:10
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dansmithso I would suspect the confirm/revert logic that is supposed to collapse the double allocation14:10
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dansmithgibi_: your test is on top of jay's first patch above yes?14:11
dansmithyeah14:11
dansmithI'll look at those when we're done here14:11
cdentdoes that code also address resize on same host?14:11
cdentor did we punt on that?14:11
dansmithwe can't punt on that,14:11
dansmithbut that's a problem with the scheduler I think,14:12
dansmithwhich I think happens before this14:12
jaypipescorrect14:12
gibi_dansmith: yes14:12
edleafegeez, I need more coffee. The original link was correct14:13
edleafe#undo14:13
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48851014:13
edleafe#link Test resize with placement API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48795814:13
edleafeSo what's the plan to investigate this?14:14
dansmithfinish here so we can go look?14:14
cdentI've got a failing tempest+gabbi test that demonstrates the double allocations not happening on same host resize. probably overkill, but I was wanting to flesh out that side of things as a way to start doing multi-node stuff, but seems gibi has figured out a way to do that functionally (yay!)14:14
jaypipesyeah, I'm currently looking at gibi's work14:14
edleafeOK, as long as this is being investigated.14:15
edleafeLet's move on14:15
edleafe#link Amend spec for Custom Resource Classes in Flavors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481748/14:15
edleafeThis is still not approved, although it seems fine as is. Related to this spec:14:15
edleafe#link Ironic Flavor Migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487954/14:15
edleafe#link Improve handling of ironicclient failures https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487925/14:15
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dansmithedleafe: you mean the spec amendment isn't approved?14:16
edleafedansmith: Nope14:16
dansmithnope it's not approved or nope that's not what you mean?14:16
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edleafeNope, it's not approved14:16
edleafeit just needs some love from nova-specs cores14:17
dansmithaye14:17
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edleafeJust for completeness, these two patch series are on hold until Queens14:18
edleafe#link Devstack to use resource classes by default https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476968/14:18
edleafe#link Nested Resource Providers series starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470575/14:18
dansmithwhy is the devstack one on hold?14:18
dansmithI feel like we're not testing what we need to test if we don't do that now14:18
edleafedansmith: dtantsur put a -2 on it, so I'm assuming that it is on hold14:20
edleafeit would be good to get that in14:20
dansmithhe said to just avoid breaking anything14:20
dansmithpresumably so it didn't merge before it was ready14:20
edleafeWell, no activity in over a week, so I assumed it was not going to be in Pike14:21
edleafeAnything else for specs/reviews?14:22
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489206/14:22
alex_xu^ I'm working on the common method for allocation candidates and 'GET /resource_providers' about traits14:23
alex_xubut not finish yet14:23
edleafealex_xu: oh, thanks - I skipped a whole section!14:24
alex_xuedleafe: np14:24
edleafeThe following are all related to filtering of RPs by Traits:14:24
edleafe#link Traits support in the Allocation Candidates https://review.openstack.org/478464/14:24
edleafe#link Add traits to the ResourceProviders filters https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474602/14:24
edleafe#link Refactor of trait filtering SQLA https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489206/14:24
edleafe#link Correct resource provider set_traits() https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489205/14:24
edleafeThese are all for Queens14:24
alex_xucool14:25
edleafe#topic Bugs14:25
edleafe#link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement14:25
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edleafeA few new ones this week14:26
edleafeAll related to the ongoing allocation work14:27
edleafeAnything else to discuss about bugs?14:27
edleafe#topic Open discussion14:28
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edleafeWhat's on you mind? Anything?14:28
edleafeOr are we all anxious to get back to what we were doing?14:29
cdentedleafe: seems the latter, conversations rage over in #openstack-nova14:29
edleafeyeah, what I was thinking too14:30
edleafeOK then. Thanks everyone!14:30
edleafe#endmeeting14:30
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dave-mcc_#startmeeting barbican20:05
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 31 20:05:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dave-mcc_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'barbican'20:05
dave-mcc_#topic roll call20:05
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dave-mcc_o/20:05
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aleeo/20:09
dave-mcc_hi alee20:10
dave-mcc_just us so far.20:10
aleedave-mcc_, well this could be a short meeting then20:10
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dave-mcc_here's the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:10
dave-mcc_anything of interest to you?20:11
dave-mcc_have you decided on PTG yet?20:11
aleedave-mcc_, I got confirtmation today - I will be comig to the PTG20:11
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aleedave-mcc_, so you, me , kaitlyn ..20:12
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dave-mcc_hopefully we'll get some drop ins too.  please take a look at the etherpad and add anything of interest.20:12
aleedave-mcc_, will do20:13
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aleedave-mcc_, I plan to do a bit of work for custodia - which is already there20:13
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dave-mcc_alee is there a plan to pull that into an openstack repo?20:14
aleedave-mcc_,  but we're finally planning on releasing and suypporting barbican on osp, so I'll have items to work on for that20:14
aleedave-mcc_, nothing definite yet20:14
aleedave-mcc_, but basically the current approach will be to create an oslo driver for custodia20:15
aleeoslo config driver20:15
dave-mcc_good news on OSP support of barbican.  that should help adoption.20:15
aleeyup20:16
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aleedave-mcc_, the tempest plguins will definitely help with everything20:16
aleedave-mcc_, I dont have anything in particular to talk about today  - I do plan to book tickets today though20:17
aleedave-mcc_, you planning on being there the whole time?20:17
aleem-f?20:17
dave-mcc_i'm flying in sunday night and out friday morning.  southwest has a direct flight from RDU.20:18
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aleedave-mcc_, good to know -- I'll probably be on the same flights20:18
dave-mcc_i guess that's it for today.20:19
aleedave-mcc_, send me your departure/return info -- we might as well share taxis/uber20:19
dave-mcc_i'm going to try to cut a 4.5.1 release for python-barbicanclient for pike to fix a breakage of heat and lbaas.20:20
aleeok20:20
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dave-mcc_#endmeeting20:22
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* fungi says zuul three times and waits for a meeting to appear22:00
Shrewsis that anything like Zuuljuice?22:01
fungibasically22:01
fungior candyzuul22:01
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fungior hastzuul22:01
jeblairseems to be working22:02
pabelangero/22:02
Shrewsas long as Winona Ryder doesn't show up, it's all good22:02
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jeblair#startmeeting zuul22:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 31 22:03:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:03
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jeblair#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul#Agenda_for_next_meeting22:03
jeblair#link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-07-24-22.02.html22:03
jeblair#topic  Actions from last meeting22:03
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jeblairmordred send email to dev list about ptg cutover22:03
jeblairthis has not happened22:03
jeblairmordred was mostly traveling last week22:04
jeblairand he sends his regrets for meeting the meeting this week due to a personal issue22:04
jeblairbut i think we have a bit more time before we must send this out22:04
jeblairi'll try to poke him about it this week22:05
jeblair#action jeblair poke mordred about mordred send email to dev list about ptg cutover22:05
jeblairthere, that should take care of that!22:05
pabelangeryay22:05
jeblair#topic  Status updates: Standard job library22:05
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jeblairpabelanger: what's the latest?22:06
pabelangertox role / playbooks are done.  have 1 last patch up for that22:06
pabelangerno more shell script in out role22:06
jeblairpabelanger: yay!22:06
pabelanger48755122:06
pabelangerI've started work on publishing jobs for pypi and docs.o.o22:06
jeblair#link change to remove last of vestigal shell scripts from tox jobs https://review.openstack.org/48755122:07
pabelangerhope to make good process on that tomorrow22:07
pabelangerI don't expect it to take too long to implement22:07
Shrewsboo shell scripts. yay pabelanger22:08
jeblairpabelanger: cool, these are generally simpler, right?  though the docs publishing seems *very* openstack specific and is generaly kind of complicated shell, iirc.22:08
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pabelangerjeblair: wheel / tarball looks pretty simple22:08
pabelangerdocs will be harder because of afs things22:09
pabelangerneed to read up more on how that all works22:09
pabelangerbut the cool part, is we'll be testing secrets this week22:09
pabelangerso, yay22:09
jeblairyeah, docs might be a good candidate for just forklifting the shell into openstack-zuul-jobs for now.22:09
pabelangerjeblair: k22:09
jeblairwe'll see if mordred has a vision for reusability there when he gets back.  i don't.  :)22:10
jeblairpabelanger: and yay testing secrets!22:10
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pabelangerya, pretty excited about that22:10
jeblairpabelanger: is the plan after these jobs to work on devstack-gate?22:11
pabelangerjeblair: yes, I think that is the next one to tackle22:11
jeblaircool.  anything else job related?22:11
pabelangernothing for the moment22:12
jeblair#topic Status updates: Documentation22:12
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jeblairi stuck this back in this section because i seem to be working on a multi-week, multi-project effort and it seemed worth us tracking/communicating22:13
jeblairi've got 3 things planned:22:13
jeblairfirst is updating zuul docs themselves22:13
jeblairwe landed a bunch of content changes a while back22:14
jeblairand once we tried to use those docs, we realized that we needed a bit more structure22:14
jeblairwe've got *lots* of yaml config attributes, and there was no way to deep link to them22:14
jeblairso i added a sphinx domain to the zuul docs to add some structure around that22:14
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fungisphinx is pretty amazing22:15
jeblairhttps://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/feature/zuulv3/user/config.html#attr-pipeline.allow-secrets22:15
pabelangernice22:15
jeblair#link example deep link to zuul config attribute https://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/feature/zuulv3/user/config.html#attr-pipeline.allow-secrets22:15
jeblairso that's just a random example22:16
pabelangerthat will be helpful for sure22:16
jeblairbut now when we want to talk about configuring stuff, we can link directly to it22:16
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pabelanger++22:16
ShrewsSo, if we are putting "docs" on the agenda, should we consider adding nodepool docs to it?22:16
fungiextremely convenient22:16
jeblairi'm working on that, and some other structural things (like adding a glossary), as well as general stylistic cleanup in the process.22:16
jeblairShrews: there's some stuff here that would be useful in nodepool, and we should probably make them match, yeah.  though my current urgency in addressing this is to make sure that we have openstack-developer facing docs in good shape for the ptg22:17
Shrews*nod*22:18
jeblairmost of this is coming from questions arising as folks work on job content22:18
Shrewsyeah, that's higher priority for sure22:18
jeblairi think i might write up a doc style guide too.  there are some unique aspects of this which warrant it.22:19
fungithough admin-facing docs will be nice to have as the number of people trying to deploy their own skyrockets22:19
pabelangerYa, I should do a better job at proposing docs patches when ever I have do dig into source code for writing playbooks22:19
fungisecondary priority i agree, but still desirable22:19
jeblairfungi: that does seem to be happening faster than i anticipated, and that's where matching nodepool docs would be really useful.22:20
pabelangerbut all looks great!22:20
jeblairso that's the first leg of the docs work.  i think i've about got pipeline and job looking the way i want, and i'll continue working to make the rest of the docs match.  other folks can probably pitch in too if you want22:20
jeblairthe second leg is docs for zuul-jobs22:20
jeblairthe zuul-jobs repo *has* docs.  i'm working on getting them published now.  thy probably need more words and explanatory text.  but so far we've been good about making sure stuff in there does have docs.22:21
jeblaironce they're published, hopefully we'll be able to point people there to answer questions about jobs, and it may be useful for the zuul manual itself to link to zuul-jobs for examples.22:21
jeblairand the third leg is openstack migration docs22:22
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jeblairi haven't started on this at all, but i think we need, at a minimum, a living document aimed at helping openstack devs through the migration.22:22
Shrewsperhaps, before the ptg, we could choose one project not managed by infra that could migrate their jobs using our docs? then adjust based on their feedback22:23
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jeblairShrews: probably a good idea, though we'll also have to see how much ends up being automatic.22:23
jeblairnot everything will, and some of it will be "we did an automatic thing poorly for you, it's your job to make it better"22:24
jeblairso depending on what that looks like, we can probably find a project that would have some useful work to do post-migration22:24
jeblairi imagine this bit of documentation should probably live in infra-manual?22:25
pabelangerwe do have some eager projects wanting to help zuulv3 on their own repos, so won't be too hard to find somebody22:25
pabelangerjeblair: infra-manual seems fine to me22:25
jeblairi imagine it would be a temporary section during and shortly after the migration, and will dissolve into the manual after things settle down.22:26
jeblairAjaeger has kind of started on it with his zuulv3 job names page :)22:26
jeblairoh here's an open question: should we suggest ways projects can publish their own zuul job docs?22:27
jeblairlike maybe work up an example of a project adding zuul job docs to their developer guide (possibly using zuul-sphinx)?22:27
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jeblair(i'm referring to cases where projects define their own zuul jobs)22:28
pabelangerYa, that would be nice too22:28
Shrewswell, documentation would benefit from some sort of standard, imho22:28
jeblairand/or should we consider finding a way to publish *all* of the zuul job docs in the system?  like: collect all of the zuul jobs across all repos and make one doc build out of it?22:29
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jeblairShrews: yah, and we're developing some for zuul-jobs which we can encode into zuul-sphinx to help with that22:29
fungiseems like something best integrated by including a sphinx extension in their normal docs?22:29
fungiso their developer docs can include a ci section that way22:29
fungiand normal docs jobs would just work22:30
jeblairfungi: yeah.  i've started looking at adding zuul-sphinx to global-requirements with that in mind.22:30
Shrewsfungi++22:30
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jeblairthough i have no idea how g-r works these days.  hopefully it will tell me what i'm doing wrong.  :)22:30
fungitrying to have an overarching index of job configuration collected from all projects that have it sounds like an interesting challenge i guess22:31
jeblairfungi: yes.  but zuul does it, so it must be possible.  :)22:31
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fungibut maybe we stick to just providing an index/entrypoint document that links to the relevant section of their individual dev docs22:31
jeblairfungi: yeah, doing that in the openstack-zuul-jobs main documentation might make sense.  or in infra-manual.22:32
fungirather than duplicating the job docs22:32
jeblairthe cool thing is, i think this is new territory.  so it'll be fun to see what works.  ;)22:33
fungidefinitely somewhere near the top of our interesting new challenges22:33
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Shrewspersonally, i don't like the overarching approach (prefering the control be in the projects), but I do like that they share a standard22:34
jeblairShrews: well, for the global job documentation i was imagining, the content would still be in the projects themselves (along with the jobs).  so they have all the control.  it woild just be a single index where you can see all of the jobs in one place.22:35
fungiso that you don't need to hunt them down22:35
jeblairit might help with job discovery in our very large system.  everyone would be able to see there's a job called shade-devstack defined in the shade repo.22:36
Shrewspossibly. that's a fun experiment. :)22:36
jeblairthis also touches a bit on the rest api idea.  exposing a jobs/ endpoint may help support tooling to achieve the same goal22:36
fungias opposed to seeing a job called shade-devstack and needing to guess whether to look for details in the shade or devstack docs22:36
Shrewsjeblair: fungi: yeah, i can see that being useful22:37
jeblairfungi: right22:37
jeblairanyone have anything else on the topics between here and open discussion?22:38
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jeblair#topic open discussion22:39
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jeblairi hear autohold landed :)22:39
pabelangerzuulv3 and github.com is now a thing. Been poking at it when not looking at ansible22:39
fungii saw openstackgerrit say something about it anyway22:39
jlkI have so much to catch up on22:39
pabelangerwe also have https://zuulv3.o.o now22:40
jeblairthanks to Shrews, we have the zuulv3 equivalent of nodepool's auto hold.  it's in zuul now, so use the 'zuul autohold' cli command to invoke it22:40
Shrews\o/22:40
pabelangerthank you, will make debuging failures easier too22:41
Shrewsnodepool client changes to help with view held nodes coming tomorrow22:41
Shrewss/view/viewing/22:42
Shrewsnote that you are still responsible for manually deleting held nodes22:42
Shrewsi hear fungi is best at this22:42
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fungia skill not to be taken lightly!22:43
jeblairShrews: oh, seeing a list of zuul's auto-hold data structure may be useful too.  like 'zuul autohold-list' or something prints out a table with the currently active autohold rules.22:43
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fungii excel at deleting all sorts of things, even things we still sometimes need22:43
Shrewsjeblair: indeed. will add it to the todo list22:43
pabelangerBooking travel to PTG this week, I'll be landing on the Saturday too22:44
Shrewsptg travel booked!22:44
jeblairi've put most of my informal punch list into storyboard; a few more things to add there.22:44
pabelangerwhat are we expecting on Friday? Looks like best travel day home will be the following saturday22:44
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jeblairi'm arriving on sunday and leaving friday evening.  i should be able to stick around until 4pm or so i think?22:44
jlkIf I come, I'll be going home Friday morning (kiddo birthday).22:44
Shrewsi will be leaving Thu, but i trust the rest of you to handle <insert problem here>22:45
jeblairShrews: cool, that means you'll be online to cover for those of us flying friday!  :)22:45
fungii get in saturday afternoon and leave saturday around lunch22:45
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pabelangercool22:46
fungibut as previously discussed, am sequestered all of sunday22:46
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Shrewsjeblair: i find your faith disturbing22:47
jeblairShrews: indeed darth Shrews22:47
Shrews(so glad that reference didnt go unnoticed)22:50
jeblairseems like that's about it.  shall we wrap up?22:50
fungisounds good!22:50
jeblairthanks everyone!22:50
jeblair#endmeeting22:51
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fungithanks jeblair!22:51
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