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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 12:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 12:08:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 12:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 12:08 |
| toabctl | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 12:08 |
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| toabctl | anybody arround today? | 12:08 |
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| number80 | I'm pretty much a dead fish today (I have slept less than 2h today) | 12:10 |
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| toabctl | number80, ok :) | 12:15 |
| toabctl | then let's skip the meeting today | 12:16 |
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| toabctl | #endmeeting | 12:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 12:16:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-31-12.08.html | 12:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-31-12.08.txt | 12:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-08-31-12.08.log.html | 12:16 |
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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 14:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| szaher | Hello Guys | 14:01 |
| szaher | Let's wait 5 minutes for everyone to join the meeting | 14:01 |
| raliev | hey | 14:01 |
| szaher | ping raliev vnogin jiaopengju jiaopengju02 zengchen zigo | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hi raliev | 14:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi szaher | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hi jiaopengju :) | 14:02 |
| szaher | Please take a look at today's agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: long time no see :) | 14:03 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Yea, You remember I did an operation and I had some issues with it afterwards till now :) | 14:03 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: Take care of yourself. I did an operation three months ago, and now I’m ok to work. | 14:07 |
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| raliev | get better, szaher | 14:09 |
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| vnogin | hi guys, sorry, I'm here ) | 14:11 |
| jiaopengju | hi vnogin | 14:11 |
| vnogin | do we have any agenda for today? :) | 14:12 |
| jiaopengju | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:12 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: hi, thx ) | 14:13 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: :) | 14:13 |
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| szaher | Let's start ? | 14:15 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 14:15 |
| szaher | #topic Freezer's future | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Freezer's future (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:16 | |
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| szaher | Guys, what do we need to do next in Freezer ? | 14:17 |
| szaher | raliev ? | 14:17 |
| szaher | vnogin ? | 14:17 |
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| szaher | jiaopengju ? | 14:17 |
| vnogin | szaher: VM auto-healing for instance | 14:18 |
| szaher | vnogin: Hey :) | 14:18 |
| vnogin | szaher: hey ) | 14:18 |
| szaher | vnogin: You mean HA for VMs ? | 14:18 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: IMO, tenant backup need to be improved, to support cinder volumes etc | 14:19 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep | 14:19 |
| vnogin | szaher: also we need full ceph support | 14:19 |
| szaher | Ok... here we have two scopes in freezer, first backups second dr | 14:19 |
| raliev | refactor current unit and functional tests | 14:19 |
| vnogin | and we need some kind of unified installer | 14:20 |
| vnogin | also we need packages | 14:20 |
| vnogin | at least deb | 14:20 |
| jiaopengju | strengthen tests on freezer-scheduler or freezer-api | 14:22 |
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| szaher | for backups may be we can have the following: | 14:22 |
| szaher | 1. Tenant backups improvements | 14:22 |
| szaher | 2. Deduplication ? | 14:22 |
| szaher | 3. Engines Speed ? | 14:22 |
| szaher | 4. Mulitple storages | 14:22 |
| szaher | 5. Remote backups | 14:22 |
| szaher | 6. Deprecate CLI and make it only working with job files | 14:22 |
| szaher | 7. Enhance the UI | 14:22 |
| szaher | 8. Multi-tenancy improvements | 14:22 |
| szaher | 9. Improve UI | 14:22 |
| szaher | 10. Increase tests and improve it | 14:22 |
| szaher | 11. Integration with other projects | 14:22 |
| szaher | 12. More modes/apps, engines and storages | 14:23 |
| szaher | 13. Provide a solid instructions to develop new ones and to integrate with freezer | 14:23 |
| szaher | 14. Docs | 14:23 |
| vnogin | 14 - should be first priority issue | 14:24 |
| raliev | I vote for 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 14 | 14:25 |
| szaher | for DR: | 14:25 |
| szaher | 1. VM auto-healing or vm dr | 14:25 |
| szaher | 2. DC dr ? | 14:25 |
| szaher | 3. more evacuation techniques as there are some hardware modules that might break the migration and live migration | 14:25 |
| szaher | 4. API to schedule and coordinate dr jobs | 14:25 |
| szaher | 5. develop some scenarios that we need to cover | 14:25 |
| szaher | 6. Application DR ? ( ability to heal a whole application ) | 14:26 |
| vnogin | backups: 4, 7, 11, 14 | 14:27 |
| vnogin | dr: 1,2,3 | 14:27 |
| szaher | in number 6 I mean if we have 1 web instance and 1 db instance (the dr should take care of both as one entity move them together) | 14:27 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: ? | 14:27 |
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| jiaopengju | backups 1 4 10 14 3 | 14:28 |
| raliev | dr 1,3,4 | 14:28 |
| szaher | vnogin raliev hopefully we can discuss this in the PTG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer-ptg-queens ? | 14:28 |
| vnogin | szaher: sure | 14:29 |
| raliev | szaher, yep | 14:29 |
| jiaopengju | dr 1 4 | 14:29 |
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| szaher | Good, so we can have a deep discussion in the PTG around these items and what should be done first and how can we move on | 14:30 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: for dr 6, we may consider too much on the features of different applications | 14:30 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: are you going to visit PTG? | 14:31 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: The idea is to provide a way to have the user specifying this him/herself | 14:32 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: I have no plan | 14:32 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: ok :( | 14:32 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: get it | 14:32 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: I'm using crutches now | 14:33 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: ouch! sorry to hear that | 14:33 |
| jiaopengju | vnogin: so I can not go anywhere far away | 14:33 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Hope everything is Ok with you | 14:33 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: ah, I see :( hope everything is ok | 14:34 |
| jiaopengju | szaher vnogin: Thanks | 14:34 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: The same to you | 14:34 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Thanks :) | 14:34 |
| szaher | Move on ?? | 14:34 |
| vnogin | + | 14:34 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 14:34 |
| raliev | + | 14:34 |
| szaher | #topic Availability of people | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Availability of people (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:35 | |
| szaher | Guys, what's your availability in Freezer ? | 14:35 |
| vnogin | szaher: pretty sad to say it however Mirantis doesn't invest so many resources in upstream as it for before | 14:36 |
| vnogin | szaher: currently my guys focused on our downstream | 14:37 |
| raliev | but periodically I can spend some time on freezer issues | 14:38 |
| vnogin | so it seems for the near future we can contribute only during our free time :( | 14:38 |
| jiaopengju | szaher: I’m focused on data protection and backup, so I will have time to do the dev or test of freezer | 14:38 |
| vnogin | szaher: however, I want to propose freezer to our product managment | 14:39 |
| vnogin | szaher: I want to discuss it with you on PTG | 14:39 |
| szaher | vnogin: well, not that much difference here | 14:39 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: That's great | 14:39 |
| szaher | vnogin: I'm trying to work on it on my free time | 14:40 |
| vnogin | szaher: I know... the same for Intel, ericsson and rackspace :( | 14:40 |
| szaher | vnogin: better if we can talk about how can we keep it moving | 14:40 |
| vnogin | szaher: yep | 14:40 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: we will keep you posted :) | 14:40 |
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| jiaopengju | szaher: :) | 14:41 |
| szaher | move on ? | 14:41 |
| vnogin | + | 14:41 |
| raliev | yep | 14:41 |
| jiaopengju | + | 14:41 |
| szaher | #topic Queens PTG | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens PTG (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:42 | |
| vnogin | I'll be there :) | 14:42 |
| szaher | We will be using this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer-ptg-queens for topics and decissions to be made in the PTG | 14:42 |
| szaher | vnogin: That great :) | 14:42 |
| szaher | vnogin: hopefully me too :) | 14:43 |
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| szaher | so guys we will discuss everything in more details in the PTG | 14:44 |
| vnogin | szaher: hope so :) | 14:44 |
| szaher | for the time being anyone would like to add anything ? | 14:44 |
| vnogin | szaher: I think we can add few item during ptg | 14:45 |
| raliev | +1 | 14:45 |
| szaher | vnogin: np :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | anything else ? | 14:47 |
| jiaopengju | this patch need review :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499475/ | 14:47 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: will do it | 14:47 |
| jiaopengju | or we can cherry pick it to pike | 14:47 |
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| jiaopengju | vnogin: thanks | 14:48 |
| szaher | jiaopengju: Done | 14:48 |
| vnogin | jiaopengju: done | 14:48 |
| jiaopengju | thank you szaher vnogin | 14:49 |
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| szaher | Thanks Guys | 14:49 |
| vnogin | thanks guys :) | 14:50 |
| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 14:50:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-08-31-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-08-31-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-08-31-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 15:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| raissa | hi | 15:01 |
| toabctl | hey | 15:01 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:01 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 15:01 |
| amito-infinidat | .o/ | 15:02 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:02 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (ه’́⌣’̀ه )／ | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | tbarron gouthamr vponomaryov markstur: courtesy ping | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | hi o/ | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| markstur | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | On Tuesday the official Pike release went out! | 15:03 |
| * bswartz claps | 15:03 | |
| jungleboyj | Yay! | 15:03 |
| markstur | woot | 15:03 |
| bswartz | for Manila the final release was identical to RC1 | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | now master is completely open for Queens work, and the stable/pike branch is open to bugfix backports | 15:04 |
| bswartz | also ocata is closed to non-critical bugfixes | 15:04 |
| bswartz | but we have driverfixes/ocata for those | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic share groups docs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "share groups docs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| bswartz | so we managed to get share groups wrapped up in pike, but the docs didn't catch up | 15:06 |
| bswartz | The CLI ref is accurate, thanks to it being automatically generated | 15:06 |
| zhongjun | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490716/ Added API doc for share group | 15:06 |
| bswartz | but the API ref is badly inaccurate, and the admin guide also doesn't mention things admins need to know about group types and group extra specs | 15:07 |
| tbarron | btw we don't have driverfixes/ocata yet | 15:07 |
| bswartz | tbarron: doh! | 15:07 |
| * bswartz assumed and was wrong | 15:07 | |
| bswartz | now would be a good time to create driverfixes/ocata | 15:07 |
| bswartz | if someone would like to volunteer to do that | 15:08 |
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| gouthamr | not until ocata has moved into phase-2 support, correct? | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | (or phase 3?) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I believe that is now | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | is there an alternative schedule I'm not aware of? | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | okay.. i thought there's an official email | 15:09 |
| bswartz | btw sorry for getting offtopic | 15:09 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: thanks for that docs patch | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | Cinder is going to make driverfixes/ocata today. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | we need to merge that, and also remove all the consistency groups API docs | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: you are welcome | 15:10 |
| bswartz | and we need some additions to the admin guide | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I'm wondering if people are aware of other docs that needs updating for share groups | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I've been looking and I haven't found any other docs that need share groups info | 15:10 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Why we need to remove all the consistency groups API docs, we could add some notes? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: those APIs are gone since Ocata | 15:11 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: but it still exist in some version, like mitaka | 15:12 |
| zhongjun | s/version/versions | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I don't have a problem if the documentation exists in old docs, but really nobody should be using that feature since it's been killed | 15:12 |
| bswartz | this is the point of an experimental feature -- it can get removed so nobody should depend on it | 15:12 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: are you willing to do the other docs patches needed to get the api-ref in shape? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | and are there any volunteers to update the admin guide with share-group-types? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'm more concerned with removing inaccurate information than with filling in omissions, but those things should be done relatively soon | 15:15 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: If there isn't any volunteers to update the other docs, I would like to do | 15:15 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: thank you | 15:15 |
| tbarron | zhongjun++ | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I was hoping vponomaryov would be around as a resources to help with this but he's been offline recently | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay moving on... | 15:16 |
| bswartz | #topic Move manila_tempest_tests to a new repo | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: yeah, I could send email to him, I hope I can get response | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move manila_tempest_tests to a new repo (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:16 | |
| bswartz | raissa: you're up | 15:16 |
| raissa | hi | 15:16 |
| raissa | so we've been talking about this goal https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html | 15:16 |
| chandankumar | raissa: bswartz Hello | 15:16 |
| raissa | and we think it may be time to start doing that for manila | 15:17 |
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| chandankumar | I am volunteering for tempest plugin split for Queens Goal | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so this was discussed at Atlanta PTG | 15:17 |
| tbarron | chandankumar: hi!! | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the goal didn't get picked up for Pike, but it seems it did for Queens | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | chandankumar: nice. welcome! | 15:17 |
| chandankumar | tbarron: hello. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I understand why we need another repo for building the manila tempest plugin | 15:18 |
| chandankumar | bswartz: the goal is for Queens, it is just a heads up, | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I've expressed an opposition to actually moving the test in the past | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I think it's possible to create a new repo that depends on manila and pulls the tests in from manila | 15:18 |
| bswartz | my thinking is that having tests and code in different repos makes certain types of changes unnecessarily complex | 15:19 |
| bswartz | so I would like to make sure we fully investigate the possibility of creating a shell report for manila-tempest that simply depends on the tests in the manila tree | 15:20 |
| tosky | if I can... hi all; my experience from Sahara shows that having high-level tests in a separate repository makes thing less complicated | 15:20 |
| tosky | we are not talking about unit tests | 15:20 |
| chandankumar | bswartz: but seperating the tempest plugin to a seperate repo makes debugging, dependencies and maintaince much easier | 15:20 |
| zhongjun | chandankumar: welcome | 15:20 |
| tosky | whast you describe is exactly not fulfilling the upstream goal | 15:20 |
| chandankumar | bswartz: we will be move this part https://github.com/openstack/manila/tree/master/manila_tempest_tests to a seperate repo | 15:20 |
| tosky | which type of changes do you think would be more complicated? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I agree there are benefits to the split approach, but the downsides are always ignored over when I bring them up | 15:21 |
| tosky | that's why I'm asking which ones | 15:21 |
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| tosky | we didn't notice relevant downside in 2 years | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tosky: I don't suppose you were part of the discussion at the Atlanta PTG? We hashed this out at lengh | 15:21 |
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| tosky | I wasn't there, no, unfortunately | 15:21 |
| bswartz | we can reprise the discussion, but it's not a short one | 15:22 |
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| ganso | tosky: can you highlight what the most pratical differences were? | 15:22 |
| tosky | we manage the sahara tempest plugin as branchless, roughly following tempest cycle | 15:22 |
| tosky | we don't need to backport changes to the tests, which are targeted to a specific API and valid for all versions | 15:22 |
| bswartz | in the past there have been multiple occasions where we had to fix bugs in the manila code where the test was actually validating incorrect behavior | 15:23 |
| tosky | in the rare case of a different behavioral change, some tests can be enabled/disabled through config options | 15:23 |
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| tosky | which are set by devstack plugin | 15:23 |
| chandankumar | bswartz: one example is https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1713822 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713822 in tempest "manila tempest plugin as tagged (16.1) uses features from tempest beyond 16.1.0 (pike upper constraint)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:23 |
| bswartz | so the code was wrong and the test was wrong and it wasn't possible to fix the code without fixing the test and vice versa | 15:23 |
| bswartz | when the code and tests are in the same repo, it's a simple change to address these kinds of issues | 15:24 |
| bswartz | when they're in separate repos, at least 3 changes are required to resolve that kind of problem | 15:24 |
| tosky | how many times does this happen? | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: in a separate branchless repo that would be solved by fixing the test according to the correct behavior and dropping the validation of the incorrect one altogether | 15:25 |
| raissa | yeah, it shouldn't happen a lot | 15:25 |
| bswartz | also, separation of tests from code makes it impossible to add new features and test coverage for those features at the same time | 15:25 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes, but that's a 3 step process | 15:25 |
| tbarron | today's scheme has issues b/c tempest is branchless (relies on tags only) and manila tempest plugin branches; syncing the two in distros is challenging | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: they would still need a "depends-on", pretty much what we already do today if the patches are separate for easier reviewing | 15:26 |
| tosky | not at the same time, but I don't see why it is so challenging | 15:26 |
| tbarron | but if we separate we should make a recipe for the three-steps when it's required | 15:26 |
| tosky | exactly, depends-on allows you to test properly | 15:26 |
| bswartz | tosky: it encourages a culture where tests are written after the code instead of vice versa | 15:26 |
| tosky | bswartz: no, it's up to you, as core, to not approve the patch | 15:27 |
| * tbarron notes bswartz advocating that faddy TDD stuff :) | 15:27 | |
| bswartz | I want to be able to block feature code from merging until tests are complete | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron: please no TDD | 15:27 |
| tosky | and you can | 15:27 |
| * tbarron is just messing with bswartz | 15:27 | |
| tosky | -2 is still valid | 15:27 |
| tosky | you -2 the feature until it has a test, it's not different than what's happening now | 15:28 |
| tbarron | we do that for unit tests all the time in review | 15:28 |
| tbarron | usually just -1 but still | 15:28 |
| bswartz | fundamentally I'm opposed to the proliferation of repositories which has become the norm in OpenStack, and this is one more example of it | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I suspect I'm the only one who feels this way though | 15:29 |
| tbarron | bswartz: is your opposition to this strong enough that you want manila to be a special snowflake? | 15:29 |
| tbarron | i see some arguments both ways but think it's important to either work with the overall community direction or to change it | 15:30 |
| ganso | I don't see major disadvantages | 15:30 |
| raissa | tbarron: +1 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tbarron: no I choose my battles and this one doesn't seem winnable | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | git.openstack.org has 1814 git repos on it by my count | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and I don't want to stand in the way of progress | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | +1 = 1815 | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ... | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | anyways I'm glad we have volunteers to help us make these changes | 15:32 |
| bswartz | thank you chandankumar, thank you raissa | 15:32 |
| chandankumar | i would love to help | 15:32 |
| raissa | bswartz: thank you | 15:33 |
| bswartz | my request is that you also help work through some of the other issues that may result from this change -- like how we deal with pike and earlier branches | 15:33 |
| chandankumar | If you are going to PTG, andreaf will be doing a session on tempest plugin split walkthrough | 15:33 |
| chandankumar | donot forgot to attend that | 15:33 |
| chandankumar | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I'll be at Denver but only a cross project capacity since we're doing the Manila PTG virtually | 15:34 |
| bswartz | anything else we need to discuss on this topic? | 15:35 |
| chandankumar | bswartz: i will work raissa to get it done in order to complete this goal | 15:35 |
| raissa | I think that's all for now | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | I should also point out that this is only now possible thanks to the work done on tempest-lib to get us to the point where Manila didn't need to pin ourselves to a specific tempest commit | 15:36 |
| bswartz | having a stable tempest-lib is a huge step forward | 15:36 |
| tbarron | +1000 | 15:36 |
| bswartz | in the bad old days we had to do all kinds of ugly things to keep our tests from failing | 15:37 |
| chandankumar | yup | 15:37 |
| bswartz | much of my concerns about tempest problems come from that time and some rather bad memories | 15:37 |
| raissa | yes, that's why I thought it was time to bring it up | 15:37 |
| bswartz | but now things are better so I'm optimistic that we can achieve the goal without inflicting a bunch of pain on ourselves | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:38 | |
| bswartz | are there any other topics for today? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay we'll meet as normal next week, and we'll have to figure out what to do about the following week (Denver) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | Manila virtual PTG is 3 weeks from yesterday | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I haven't posted deadlines for things like queens specs but expect them to be similar to the pike deadlines | 15:41 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 15:42:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-08-31-15.01.html | 15:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-08-31-15.01.txt | 15:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-08-31-15.01.log.html | 15:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 15:42 |
| raissa | thanks all | 15:42 |
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| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 17:00:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| dave-mcc_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hi dave-mcc_ ! | 17:01 |
| browne | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | oh and browne , cool! | 17:01 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei mdong around? | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hey mdong | 17:02 |
| lhinds | #topic agenda: | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda: (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| lhinds | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
| lhinds | anyone wish to make additions, please do.. | 17:02 |
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| lhinds | I will get the ball rolling in the meantime. | 17:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 17:02 |
| lhinds | #topic electing more cores. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "electing more cores. (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| lhinds | hey gagehugo ! | 17:02 |
| lhinds | so I wanted to seed an intial discussion around what we could do to encourage some cores..mainly starting with syntribios and bandit ( mdong / browne ) | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | I can see the two guys above working on the projects, but a lack of core reviewers means patches are not landing. | 17:04 |
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| lhinds | I have been making an effort to get more busy on bandit and soon syntribios, but will take me some time to put in a lot of content of worth. | 17:04 |
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| browne | yeah, several months ago I asked the current cores of bandit if they still wanted to be involved. all of them wanted to remain cores, but i've seen no activity from them since | 17:04 |
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| lhinds | browne: ack, I could perhaps reach out to them as well. I guess most have seen their companies move on from openstack. | 17:05 |
| browne | and then recently was talking with travis about whether we should move bandit to github (outside of the openstack domain) | 17:05 |
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| lhinds | browne: how many openstack projects have bandit running at their gate? | 17:06 |
| browne | unsure | 17:06 |
| gagehugo | I know keystone has it as part of the pep8 gate, cinder has a non-voting one | 17:07 |
| browne | quite a few though | 17:07 |
| lhinds | dave-mccowan: is barbican running bandit still> | 17:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | lhinds yes. i thought by making it part of pep8 gate that most projects are running it. | 17:07 |
| lhinds | ah I see. | 17:08 |
| dave-mccowan | (or, maybe that was just a keystone thing.) | 17:08 |
| lhinds | #action lhinds audit bandit use | 17:08 |
| gagehugo | I think a few other projects do the same | 17:08 |
| gagehugo | looks like barbican has it as part of pep8 | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | so browne , its not my call of course, but in regard to porting to github, maybe we could see what we can make happen just over this cycle and if things don't improve, then its clear what to do. | 17:09 |
| lhinds | sounds to me like its still in use a lot though, for example I did a depends-on patch today for python-keystoneclient. a small example ofc. | 17:10 |
| browne | it could still be used by openstack projects | 17:10 |
| browne | but my porting to github, might get more contributors | 17:10 |
| browne | it has next to no openstack specific code anyway | 17:11 |
| browne | and functions a lot like flake8 | 17:11 |
| lhinds | yep, I see your point. | 17:11 |
| lhinds | i guess gate pulls it in from requirements.txt? | 17:11 |
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| browne | yeah | 17:12 |
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| lhinds | so we would just switch pypi from openstack tarballs, to github. | 17:12 |
| browne | that's the other thing. i don't have the pypi user/pwd, so i can't push a new release to pypi | 17:12 |
| browne | we would need to get that from travis | 17:12 |
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| mdong | can’t that be done from the openstack release process? I | 17:14 |
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| mdong | I don’t remember manually pushing a pypi release the last time we did it for syntribos | 17:14 |
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| lhinds | that's true ^ | 17:14 |
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| browne | oh ok, i've never done it myself. so maybe it's more automated | 17:15 |
| browne | do you just create a tag? | 17:15 |
| mdong | I think there’s an openstack-releases repo | 17:15 |
| mdong | let me try to find the documentation | 17:16 |
| mdong | https://releases.openstack.org/instructions.html | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | pypi would pull from here: https://tarballs.openstack.org/bandit/ | 17:17 |
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| lhinds | I think(?) | 17:17 |
| lhinds | that's normally how it happens | 17:17 |
| browne | ok | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | so not sure how to go ahead here, I personally would like to try and see if we can improve contributions and stay in openstack, but at the same time its not my baby to be strongly viewed | 17:18 |
| gagehugo | browne I can try to devote some time to help reviews for bandit | 17:20 |
| lhinds | me too, put a few patches up this week and last. | 17:20 |
| browne | we need another core. i'm the only one reviewing | 17:20 |
| lhinds | only thing is we need another ... ^ | 17:20 |
| lhinds | heres what we can do, I will contact travis as I here from him occasionally and see if he can devote some time to +2's to allow a merge | 17:21 |
| browne | he doesn't work on openstack anymore | 17:21 |
| browne | works for netflix i believe | 17:21 |
| lhinds | or we lower the barrier for bringing in some new cores? | 17:22 |
| lhinds | and if things have not improved half way through the next release cycle, port to github? | 17:23 |
| lhinds | how would that sound browne ? | 17:23 |
| browne | sure | 17:23 |
| lhinds | so perhaps myself and gagehugo could come on to help, we would mainly test each patch..and follow on from your +2's? | 17:24 |
| browne | sounds good | 17:24 |
| gagehugo | works for me | 17:25 |
| lhinds | great, I will get onto that. | 17:25 |
| lhinds | are all ok, if we go past the 30 minute mark? | 17:25 |
| lhinds | was thinking same issue is there for syntribios ( mdong )? | 17:26 |
| mdong | yeah, it’s a little better situation for core reviewers because I can still ping cneill for reviews if need be, even if he’s working on non-openstack projects | 17:27 |
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| lhinds | ok, that's good. I am monitoring the queue as well so will continue to help. | 17:27 |
| lhinds | so for other topics, let me prioritise to the audience. dave-mccowan anything on barbican / PTG you wanted to cover? | 17:28 |
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| lhinds | we have custodia confirmed from last week. | 17:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ptg-queens | 17:29 |
| dave-mccowan | that's the etherpad. please sign up if you plan to attend and add any topics you'd like to discuss. | 17:29 |
| lhinds | thx dave-mccowan | 17:29 |
| lhinds | browne: are you at the PTG? | 17:30 |
| browne | unfortunately i won't make it. had already planned a vacation before knowing the dates for PTG | 17:30 |
| lhinds | browne: no worries | 17:30 |
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| browne | would be nice if the PTG organizers released the dates earlier | 17:30 |
| lhinds | browne agree | 17:31 |
| lhinds | ok, will speed through the next bits.. | 17:31 |
| lhinds | #topic OSSN | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:31 | |
| lhinds | one one in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499176/ | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | oh hai guys | 17:31 |
| lhinds | oh hey hyakuhei ! | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN triggered my flag ;) | 17:31 |
| lhinds | for security-docs, I have got the release notes in for Pike and updated the disclaimer text at the start. | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | looks like 81 is GTG ? | 17:32 |
| lhinds | we also have the key management section we will go over at the PTG | 17:32 |
| lhinds | raildo: anything on custodia? | 17:33 |
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| lhinds | for anyone interested there is a custodia session in the barbican room, and its going forward as an oslo driver | 17:34 |
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| lhinds | https://github.com/latchset/custodia | 17:34 |
| lhinds | it solves the plain text passwords in config files issue | 17:34 |
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| gagehugo | there's an oslo spec for that right? | 17:35 |
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| lhinds | ok, I think we can wrap up as we are over time..unless any other points / biz? | 17:35 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei (thanks rgding 81, just seen your msg) | 17:36 |
| lhinds | ok, thanks all..much appreciate you attending. | 17:37 |
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| lhinds | see you next week! | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:37 |
| raildo | sorry, I'm a little bit late | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | Does anyone have any experience with Custodia ? | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Reads like a discount HC Vault ? | 17:37 |
| lhinds | ok, lets go a little longer :P | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | oh it's more of an API | 17:38 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: raildo can give a 101 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Meh, this isn't security project specific, call it if you want boss! | 17:38 |
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| gagehugo | hyakuhei we used it as a middleware for storing plain-text values in barbican | 17:38 |
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| gagehugo | oslo.config -> custodia -> barbican | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | interesting | 17:38 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-ptg-queens | 17:39 |
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| gagehugo | there are still unsolved issues, but it's a good step forward worth pursuing imo | 17:39 |
| lhinds | *see " Pluggable drivers and Protecting Plaintext Secrets" | 17:39 |
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| gagehugo | and the point is you can write drivers for other backends too, so you can s/barbican/vault | 17:39 |
| gagehugo | or w/e you like | 17:40 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, so, Custodia is basically an secrets-as-a-service API, to transport and routing secrets in a proper way, there is a storage layer abstraction, when Custodia support FreeIPA value, sqlite, etcd, and we add support to Barbican during integration work | 17:40 |
| gagehugo | raildo I'll try to get in the room for that oslo topic | 17:40 |
| lhinds | gagehugo +1 | 17:41 |
| lhinds | also of interest to others might be 'Support for external PDP' | 17:41 |
| gagehugo | yeah I need to make myself a schedule heh | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds interesting, I wonder if it'll run into the same issues as Castellan around identity and how AuthN/Z gets messy with such abstractions | 17:41 |
| raildo | gagehugo, that's awesome, we are discussing with the tripleo team, to having the discussion related to the oslo.config stuff on it | 17:42 |
| gagehugo | raildo nice | 17:42 |
| dave-mccowan | i'd like to see Barbican as a consumer of Custodia. It would be a nice place for us to store the master KEK. (of course that wouldn't make much sense if we're also the backend) | 17:43 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, it's not, since Custodia works with pluggable authentication and authorization methods, actually, we don't want to use Keystone auth stuff, since we need to store keystone secrets either | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | So it looks like a secrets abstraction layer, so you can write your software to talk "Custodia" and it takes care of plugging into x/y/z secrets management | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Obviously useful for OpenStack | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | I wonder if it would be useful for Kube too, they're still working out how to do secrets management nicely. | 17:45 |
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| raildo | hyakuhei, ++ | 17:45 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, we have the same Custodia support for docker and kubernetes | 17:45 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, that's the idea to have multiple backends for multiple purposes | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Certainly sounds interesting :) | 17:46 |
| gagehugo | yeah that sounds interesting if it works with k8s | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for the 101 | 17:46 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, so, I'm looking for using Barbican for fit better on OpenStack scenario, but Custodia have a kind if multitenancy support, to having different auth and storage methods | 17:46 |
| raildo | hyakuhei, sure, anytime, I hope to explain it better in the PTG | 17:47 |
| lhinds | cool, thanks raildo ! | 17:47 |
| lhinds | ok, so lets close for now..but some good conversations today and thanks all for your attendance. | 17:48 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 17:48:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-08-31-17.00.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-08-31-17.00.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-08-31-17.00.log.html | 17:48 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:48 |
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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 31 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:00 |
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| tosky | (the meeting is open :) | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:03 | |
| tellesnobrega | we just found new an issue with django from 1.10 | 18:04 |
| tosky | another one \o/ | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | it blocks creation of NGT for Vanilla and CDH | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | from talk with horizon folks, the solution is Just include a local_settings.d/ snippet in your plugin | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | I will be creating a bug and fixing that soon | 18:05 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | wow, never knew about local_settings.d, that's very useful | 18:05 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 18:05 |
| tellesnobrega | hopefully I will have time to do it today | 18:06 |
| tellesnobrega | but at last by tomorrow it should be there | 18:06 |
| tosky | on my side: release time, so I didn't do much apart from following the packaging process on RDO and trying to deploy Pike | 18:06 |
| jeremyfreudberg | not much to report from me, but I talked to OSC folks http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-sdks/%23openstack-sdks.2017-08-31.log.html#t2017-08-31T15:48:11 | 18:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | about the template export stuff | 18:07 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, cool, what was the final decision? | 18:07 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we have some flexibility, but ultimately we can be like `openstack image save` (glance) and have an optional --file which defaults to stdout | 18:08 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so, same as we said this morning | 18:08 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds good to me | 18:09 |
| tellesnobrega | any more news? | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Queens PTG | 18:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens PTG (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:10 | |
| tellesnobrega | if you guys can check the etherpad | 18:11 |
| tosky | the program is fully packed | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-queens-ptg | 18:11 |
| jeremyfreudberg | many many things to talk about | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | I took the liberty of removing a topic that jeremyfreudberg stated as not needed anymore and added a topic | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | decomission of specific node | 18:11 |
| tellesnobrega | this is basically when scaling down, adding the option to choose which instance we want out | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | it is an interesting discussion | 18:12 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that's an interesting topic | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | and also added a time for us to discuss file copy timeout | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | which should be interesting and needs fixing quickly | 18:12 |
| tellesnobrega | please review and make comments | 18:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | although perhaps made obsolete if we had health repair stuff... (i'll try to save the rest of that discussion for the actual ptg) | 18:13 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think we need to put a few minutes about sahara-files on the schedule | 18:13 |
| tosky | or solve it before :) but yes | 18:13 |
| tellesnobrega | I saw that for tripleO was created a calendar with topics and timeslots, do you guys want me to do that or not necessary for us | 18:14 |
| tosky | I think that there is only one dependency left to sahara-files | 18:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | sure | 18:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, dependencies is one thing, but there is still a ton of stuff there not found anywhere else | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | makes total sense, I will look for a spot where we can fit it | 18:14 |
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| tosky | a calendar that you can import in calendaring applications? | 18:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | like legacy images | 18:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | and who knows what | 18:14 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, yes | 18:14 |
| jeremyfreudberg | fwiw, i don't think a calendar is necessary, i think we kind of just go with the flow | 18:15 |
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| tosky | yeah, I suspect that the discussion will be elastic | 18:15 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i don't think we can be precise enough for a calendar, a lot of the schedule has buffers and i'm sure some of the topics might take longer/shorter | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | I don't think it is necessary either, we are a small team, for tripleO it makes more sense since the team is big and brings people from lots of projects | 18:15 |
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| tellesnobrega | I agree | 18:16 |
| zemuvier | hi all | 18:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | hi zemuvier | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | just wanted to be sure we were all on the same page | 18:16 |
| zemuvier | sorry, im late | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | hi zemuvier | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess this is all I have for queens ptg | 18:16 |
| tosky | yeah, in their case there are a lot of people from other projects who tries to find a spot in their calendars | 18:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic sahara-ci-config repo | 18:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | luigi do you want to lead this topic discussion? | 18:17 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, even | 18:17 |
| tellesnobrega | my bad | 18:17 |
| tosky | oh, right, and we have zemuvier around (even if not esikachev) | 18:18 |
| tellesnobrega | perfect timing zemuvier | 18:18 |
| zemuvier | esikachev can't join us now, but i can tell him everything we will discuss here today | 18:18 |
| tosky | historically, sahara-ci-config was used for the scripts and other stuff for the Sahara CI, now not available anymore, provided by Mirantis | 18:18 |
| zemuvier | yes, i think, we can tell something about ansible configs for sahara-ci | 18:19 |
| tosky | so technically part of "stackforge", it's not part of the Sahara project | 18:19 |
| tosky | right now esikachev and zemuvier are using it to rewrite the scripts in a more general way, and more modern (ansible) | 18:19 |
| tosky | but basically there is only one core left (esikachev, who kept the core role) | 18:19 |
| tosky | my question is: would it make sense to bring the repository officially under the Sahara umbrella? | 18:20 |
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| zemuvier | tosky: yep, we still work on this configs and think how to do it better | 18:20 |
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| tosky | putting it under the Sahara umbrella would make it easier to do reviews (more cores) | 18:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky, isn't a lot of that stuff not sahara-specific? more like infra specific? | 18:21 |
| tosky | jeremyfreudberg: it's the configuration of a 3rd-party CI, but tailored for Sahara | 18:21 |
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| zemuvier | jeremyfreudberg: do you know, was the problem with hdd on server fixed? | 18:21 |
| jeremyfreudberg | zemuvier, you mean in my cloud? well, our storage (ceph) totally exploded, I think we are going to have it up fresh next week | 18:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sorry about that huge downtime | 18:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we spent a long time trying to recover/restore, we just gave up yesterday | 18:22 |
| jeremyfreudberg | (we actually had Sage/creator of ceph try to fix it, he couldn't) | 18:22 |
| zemuvier | jeremyfreudberg: awesome, thanks :) | 18:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, we should also talk to mnaser | 18:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i think he has some machines that he puts in general openstack infra nodepool | 18:23 |
| jeremyfreudberg | we should ask if he can move some to sahara ci | 18:23 |
| tellesnobrega | we can try for sure | 18:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | that would be great if he could do it, i just thought of that now so i haven't talked to him yet | 18:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | but he seems like he cares about sahara, so he might be on board | 18:24 |
| tellesnobrega | but going back to tosky questions, do we think that it makes sense to bring sahara-ci-config under sahara umbrella? | 18:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i'm not totally convinced | 18:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | my take is yes, even thou is more infra stuff, it is sahara related and it would give more control and options for everyone wanting to install sahara-ci | 18:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | my fear is, is esikachev and/or zemuvier stop working on sahara we can lose that repo since there will be no cores managing it anymore | 18:26 |
| tosky | well, we can always escalate it to the Foundation | 18:26 |
| jeremyfreudberg | i don't really envision it as a deliverable though.... something like sahara-tests is really part of the project that is part of our guarantee to users, but CI is just something extra | 18:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, I see your point. If it is under the umbrella do we necessarily have to put it in the deliverable? | 18:27 |
| tosky | zemuvier: what do you think? Do you want to think about it (discuss with esikachev)? | 18:27 |
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| zemuvier | tellesnobrega: we don't plan it for now | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | well, deliverable can mean a lot of things | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | here's something interesting though | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | is that murano's ci | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | https://github.com/openstack/murano-deployment/ | 18:28 |
| zemuvier | tosky: yes, I will discuss it with him | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml#L1886 | 18:28 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | is officially under murano umbrella | 18:28 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so i guess there is precedent | 18:28 |
| tellesnobrega | it is good not being the first | 18:29 |
| jeremyfreudberg | indeed, that does kind of put me in favor of adopting sahara-ci as official | 18:29 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, how you found that so fast amazes me | 18:31 |
| zemuvier | why do you want to remove sahara-ci from sahara-projects? i didn't get it | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | we don't want to remove it | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | we want for it to part of sahara projects now | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | since it isn't now | 18:32 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, https://github.com/openstack -> "Search repositories" -> "ci" -> read the list -> check projects.yaml for interesting stuff | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, smart :) | 18:33 |
| jeremyfreudberg | anything else to say about this topic? i think we can sleep on it a bit more before final decision | 18:33 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok, I guess we agree on it, I will send an email on the mailing list about it as well so esikachev can give us his input as well and we move forward with it | 18:34 |
| tosky | sure, I just wanted to raise it for now | 18:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, mailing list is important | 18:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | so no one is surprised | 18:34 |
| zemuvier | yes, cool | 18:34 |
| tellesnobrega | for sure | 18:34 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 18:35 |
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| tellesnobrega | Do we have any more stuff to discuss today? | 18:36 |
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| tellesnobrega | btw, looking at sahara-ci-config project here | 18:36 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://github.com/openstack/sahara-ci-config | 18:36 |
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| tellesnobrega | it would be good to have a guide on how to deploy it all | 18:37 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yes, there is no doc | 18:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I have 0 experience with this kind of deployment | 18:37 |
| tellesnobrega | I have no idea where to start | 18:37 |
| tosky | it's being rewritten, so it will be part of it | 18:37 |
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| tosky | if you check the stream of open reviews | 18:37 |
| zemuvier | the doc is on review | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | zemuvier, awesome | 18:38 |
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| zemuvier | it will look something like that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488189/2/system-configs/ansible/README.rst | 18:39 |
| zemuvier | but work still in progress, of course | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | that is good to hear | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | at least we are working on making it better | 18:39 |
| zemuvier | yes | 18:40 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks for that zemuvier | 18:40 |
| zemuvier | tellesnobrega: np | 18:40 |
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| tellesnobrega | ok | 18:42 |
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| tellesnobrega | anything else? tosky? jeremyfreudberg? zemuvier? | 18:43 |
| tosky | nothing else on my side | 18:43 |
| zemuvier | nothing interesting for me too | 18:43 |
| jeremyfreudberg | should i send an email to mnaser about ci resources? | 18:43 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, sure, it makes sense | 18:43 |
| esikachev | sorry, guys, i am too late | 18:43 |
| tellesnobrega | if he can share some resources it would be great | 18:44 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, i will copy you on that email | 18:44 |
| tellesnobrega | no problem at all esikachev | 18:44 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds good | 18:44 |
| tellesnobrega | esikachev, we were discussing some stuff on sahara-ci-config, but I won't bring it up again | 18:44 |
| tellesnobrega | I will send an email on the mailing list so we are all aware of others opinion and how to move forward | 18:45 |
| esikachev | ok, i will read the log | 18:45 |
| tosky | basically whether make it officially part of the Sahara project | 18:45 |
| tellesnobrega | basically we want to bring it under sahara umbrella | 18:45 |
| esikachev | up to you, it's ok from me | 18:45 |
| tellesnobrega | so we can have more cores and not run the risk of losing control if you or zemuvier have to stop working on sahara or any of us | 18:46 |
| tellesnobrega | just being safe | 18:46 |
| tellesnobrega | and also facilitate progress | 18:46 |
| tellesnobrega | so don't all review burden is on you | 18:46 |
| zemuvier | sounds really great | 18:47 |
| esikachev | yes, make sense. but I am not planning to leave the Sahara | 18:47 |
| esikachev | :) | 18:47 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 18:47 |
| tellesnobrega | and we all thank you for that | 18:47 |
| tellesnobrega | ok folks, if we don't have any more topics for today I will give you back 12 minutes | 18:48 |
| jeremyfreudberg | no more topics from me | 18:48 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all and hopefully see you all in a couple of weeks | 18:48 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 31 18:49:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-08-31-18.00.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-08-31-18.00.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-08-31-18.00.log.html | 18:49 |
| esikachev | thanks, bye | 18:49 |
| zemuvier | thanks, bye | 18:49 |
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