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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 14 15:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | I'll give people a moment to gather because of possible travel | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | some of us are here at PTG in Denver, crashing the cinder sessions | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | #curling | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | also I'm on sketchy wifi so if I drop please be patient | 15:03 |
| bswartz | it's been good for the most part but I have seen dropouts this week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic announcemnts | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcemnts (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | so first of all, next week is Manila PTG | 15:03 |
| toabctl | hey | 15:04 |
| bswartz | the etherpad link is in the channel topic, and we plan to meet for 2 days, possibly all day, but we'll try to wrap things up early each day if we can for the benefit of people in far away time zones | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I plan to use webex for audio because that's worked well in the past | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | there is sad news from xyang1 | 15:05 |
| xyang1 | Hi, I was just laid off by dell emc | 15:05 |
| bswartz | :-( | 15:06 |
| tbarron | xyang1: omg! :( | 15:06 |
| ganso | xyang1: :( | 15:06 |
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| zhongjun | oh no | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | My group no longer need open source contributor:( | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: sorry to hear that | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | If anyone knows there is an opportunity, please let me know | 15:06 |
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| xyang1 | My personal email: xingyang105@gmail.com | 15:07 |
| bswartz | it sounds like xyang wants to continue her role in openstack so any companies that want an experienced contributor on staff have great opportunity to snap her up | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | we have a packed agenda today though so I'm going to try to move quickly | 15:08 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:08 |
| amito-infinidat | o/ | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic Add total count information in our list APIs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add total count information in our list APIs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
| bswartz | zhongjun: you're up | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: thanks | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501934/ | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | This feature can be used for showing how many resources a user or tenant has in the web portal's summary section. | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | It already discussed in cinder meeting | 15:09 |
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| xyang1 | In addition to openstack, I have also started contributing in kubernetes. So I am interested in opportunities there as well. Thanks! | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | The cinder proposal will match with the API WG guidelines | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | Will we also follow up the API WG proposal? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | link? | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | #link https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/64e3e9b07272f50353429dc51d98524642ab6d67/guidelines/counting.rst#L12 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I think this is a good idea | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500665/ | 15:10 |
| bswartz | it amounts to a performance optimization, and though it's not great REST, if there's a standard within the community that's good enough for me | 15:10 |
| markstur | xyang1: :( | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: thanks for bringing this in. I like it too, tommylikehu and you should propose this to api-sig | 15:12 |
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| tommylikehu | gouthamr: propose what? | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr it sounds like the proposal comes FROM the API WG | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I wasn't aware of it, but it seems reasonable to me | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | ? not that i'm aware of.. | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | ohh | 15:13 |
| tommylikehu | xyang1: :) | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: okay, so we just continue to do this work | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay I also don't expect this to be a ton of work to code, or to review | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we will want functional test coverage of course | 15:13 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:13 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: sure | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | and I recommend writing a manila spec which largely just refers to the API WG document | 15:14 |
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| gouthamr | +1 | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | the manila spec should enumerate all of the object types for which counts will be added | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | okay nex topic | 15:15 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: it is simple spec, just added some manila api description | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #topic Register and Document Policy in Code | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Register and Document Policy in Code (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
| bswartz | this is zhongjun again | 15:15 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Our current policy system is a little chaos | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | Do we need to rewrite those policies: | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-queens | 15:16 |
| bswartz | so I haven't been talking to people about this TC goal here in Denver | 15:16 |
| bswartz | errr | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I _have_ been talking to people about this TC goal here in Denver | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Or we could just implement the policy in code and save the original policies in the first step. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | this is something we clearly want to do | 15:17 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: ? | 15:17 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: oh, you talked with people about this | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | the general agreement is to migrate the existing policies into code first | 15:17 |
| tbarron | separating those concerns seems like a good idea: policy in code, revamp policy contnet | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | save any changes to the policies themselves for later changes | 15:18 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: okay, we should just following those steps | 15:18 |
| bswartz | we don't need to go into great detail here because the TC goal doc is available, and zhongjun has volunteered to do the work | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | we cold revisit this topic at PTG if anyone has issues | 15:19 |
| bswartz | for this one I'm not sure we need a spec | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | would a manila-specific spec any any value here? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | s/any/add/ | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | redo policies = new spec <--- but this can wait as mentioned earlier | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I can't think of a reason to, so let's just do this work as part of the TC goal program | 15:21 |
| bswartz | next up | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #topic Dynamic Log Level | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dynamic Log Level (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:21 | |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445885/ | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Do we need to add REST API to control services' log levels dynamically | 15:21 |
| tbarron | ^^ cinder | 15:21 |
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| zhongjun | tbarron: thanks | 15:22 |
| bswartz | ugh | 15:22 |
| tbarron | ? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I don't like that idea | 15:22 |
| tbarron | it seems quite useful, why not? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | why can't we just reread the conf file for these options? | 15:22 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: reread and restart? | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: I believe the benefit is not having to restart the services | 15:23 |
| bswartz | it's a bad idea to have things in the conf file overrided by API calls, because after restart they will revert back | 15:23 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: how to reread | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | maybe PTG topic then | 15:23 |
| ganso | I've heard about the oslo guys implementing something that allows reloading CONF files | 15:23 |
| bswartz | we need the feature cinder has to update the conf without restarting | 15:23 |
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| tommylikehu | it does not matter because we can get the latest values. | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | long conversation here | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay should we postpone this one to PTG? | 15:24 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Oslo.config has supported this for a few cycles now, but it still have some problems | 15:24 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: It could be hard to manage log level when we have multiple nodes and multiple services. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | my stance is that this can and should be achieved by rereading the conf file without restarting, but I'm open to hearing reasons why that's a bad idea | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: no harder than keeping the rest of the conf files consistent across a deployment | 15:25 |
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| zhongjun | bswartz: we'll no longer be sure of what log level a service is running at a given time. | 15:25 |
| ganso | zhongjun: why? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I assume that's a solved problem under any decent deployment tool | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | I'm familiar with how puppet keeps config files synched -- I presume other technologies work at least as well | 15:27 |
| tbarron | PTG topic please | 15:27 |
| tbarron | full agenda | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay moving on.... | 15:27 |
| zhongjun | ganso: there could not have a way to get the log level from current service | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic Install guide testing | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Install guide testing (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:27 | |
| zhongjun | tbarron: ok | 15:27 |
| bswartz | So this came up in cinder yesterday | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | since the docs are now in our repo, there is an expectation that we QA the install guides | 15:28 |
| bswartz | the install guides are a pretty bare bones way to install openstack -- without any deployment tools | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | tesing them is as easy as reading the doc and following the instructions and seeing if you end up with a working manila installation | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | the only downside is that it's a manual process | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and there are slightly different instructions per-linux-flavor | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | because the package names and the directory paths vary slighty between centos/ubuntu/opensuse | 15:30 |
| bswartz | if we find any bugs we should file them in LP and fix them like any code bugs | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and we may want to consider cleaning up those docs and reducing duplication if it exists (haven't checked yet) by using sphinx includes | 15:31 |
| bswartz | also bugs in the install guide should be fixed and backported to pike, so the sooner we can get install guide testing done the better | 15:32 |
| zhongjun | bswartz: Is there a link? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'm looking for volunteers to test each platform | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #link https://docs.openstack.org/manila/pike/install/ | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay I just wanted to mention that | 15:34 |
| bswartz | we might be able to do some of that work during PTG | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | there are a bunch of new bugs showing up | 15:34 |
| bswartz | or before PTG if people can find time | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I'll move on | 15:34 |
| tbarron | let's settle at PTG but I can probably look at the CentOS part | 15:34 |
| bswartz | #topic Automatic generation of docs for configuration options | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Automatic generation of docs for configuration options (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:34 | |
| bswartz | this is another docs topic that came up here in denver | 15:35 |
| zhongjun | I can probably look at the ubuntu part :) | 15:35 |
| bswartz | there are now tools to autogenerate the tables of config opts from the latest live source code for documentation purposes | 15:35 |
| bswartz | so a change to a manila config option could be automatically reflected in the documentation when it merges | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the Cinder guys will be updating their docs to use this mechanism, and I suggest we follow suit | 15:37 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:37 |
| bswartz | from what I heard yesterday we might need to add some small code hooks for the generator so it knows what options are relevant to each driver (for example) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | but it sounds like a very cool sphinx plugin | 15:38 |
| bswartz | on to my last topci | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #topic Timeouts | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Timeouts (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:38 | |
| bswartz | I haven't made much progress with the infra folks here | 15:38 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493092/ | 15:39 |
| bswartz | they seem allergic to the idea of increasing our job timeouts | 15:39 |
| tbarron | should we all just add more timed out job failures here? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | on the plus side they do seem committed to trying to fix the underlying problem | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | well there was a time that they claimed that the underlying problem was fixed, so I abandoned my change | 15:40 |
| bswartz | then the timeouts came back, so I restored it | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | it's possible they'll fix another underlying problem | 15:41 |
| bswartz | but we should keep collecting evidence | 15:41 |
| tbarron | to recognize these look for "timeout -s 9" in the console log | 15:41 |
| tbarron | nonvoting jobs too | 15:41 |
| bswartz | links to job logs of timed out jobs serve 2 purposes: | 15:41 |
| tbarron | e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/66/502666/8/check/gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-mysql-generic-ubuntu-xenial-nv/35914d5/console.html#_2017-09-13_14_08_22_943668 | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | bswartz tbarron: We were always bordering that timeout we had in project-config | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 1) they help infra narrow down where the real problem lies | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | bswartz tbarron: in the past we worked around by splitting tests into multiple classes | 15:42 |
| bswartz | 2) having a large amount of evidence supports our case that manila is disproportionately affected by this issue | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | i don't think infra's slow-nodes issue has anything to do with our request to increase timeout in general | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | so we can get more time to run the tests | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | however, slow nodes take 40+ minutes to Devstack smh | 15:43 |
| bswartz | well I can modify my patch to request a more modest increase with a different justification | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | s/has anything/should have anything | 15:44 |
| bswartz | in that case, we should find some examples of jobs passing with very little margin before the timeout, that are NOT on the so-called "very slow nodes" | 15:44 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: isn't there an overall time budget and if it takes too long to build then the tests have even less time to run? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tbarron: exactly | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes.. that's the one bswartz is toggling in his patch | 15:44 |
| bswartz | we have less margin for error than other project jobs | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: imo the overall budget was low... and limiting to our enthusiasm to add a ton of tests | 15:45 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I see, you are just saying that we don't need to bump the actual *test* timeout vs the overall budget time | 15:45 |
| bswartz | is there a second timeout? | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yep... there're three timeouts | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I'm talking about the job timeout before zuul simply aborts | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: an overall zuul job timeout (this one is funny, 10 minutes are reserved for post operations inside this timeout) | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | a test suite timeout | 15:46 |
| bswartz | can we change the other timeouts on our own? | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | and a per test resource wait timeout | 15:46 |
| bswartz | oh yeah we can change the resouce wait timeouts, but those only tend to matter during failures | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes... the third one is a tempest timeout option, the second one: there's a DEVSTACK_GATE opt for that | 15:47 |
| ganso | resource failures should be kept at default, as increasing them will largely impact the duration of tests | 15:47 |
| bswartz | ganso: we could decrease them and expect overall less timeouts, albeit more failures | 15:48 |
| ganso | s/resource failures/resource wait timeouts | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: remember that these are nested timeouts | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so your patch needs to be accepted imo | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | we may need to revisit this topic next week | 15:49 |
| bswartz | my request is just to keep a list of links to jobs that demonstrate the problem | 15:49 |
| tbarron | anyone have elastic search fu to catch all these automatically? | 15:49 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: Do we have many nested timeouts? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | my log-stash-fu is not good enough to simply query a list of all of the failures we're interested in | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:49 |
| ganso | bswartz: usually if something fails due to resource wait timeouts, then something is very wrong with the deployment and more stuff is likely to fail | 15:49 |
| ganso | bswartz: s/stuff/tests | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | i have a base link, but can't toggle the logstash options via API | 15:50 |
| tbarron | we want a query that shows overall timeout plus test time is within the test timeout | 15:50 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes I'm less concerend about failure cases than the success cases | 15:50 |
| tbarron | these are the cases we can't address w/o infra help | 15:51 |
| bswartz | if it's broken you're going to have to push another patch anyways -- what I want to get away from is rechecks | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:51 |
| bswartz | okay before we run out of time | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | ocata driverfixes is proposed | 15:52 |
| bswartz | link? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504032/ | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ack, I will review that | 15:53 |
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| gouthamr | zhongjun: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493092/ <--- this is to extend the Zuul job timeout, which is essential | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 thanks | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i'm talking to eharney about our unit test issues | 15:53 |
| bswartz | alright thanks everyone | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | he thinks we can get away without changing requirements and zuul.. | 15:54 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr: thanks | 15:54 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | he's trying to get unittest jobs running on driverfixes branches in cinder | 15:54 |
| bswartz | and thanks to PTG wifi for not failing duing this meeting | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | yeah good wifi | 15:54 |
| amito-infinidat | indeed | 15:54 |
| bswartz | I'll see you next wednesday morning for PTG | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 14 15:55:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| amito-infinidat | I'll be on my flight back home | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-09-14-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-09-14-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-09-14-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| gouthamr | amito-infinidat: we'll hopefully see you on day 2 then, if you aren't jet lagged | 15:55 |
| amito-infinidat | gouthamr: I hope :) | 15:56 |
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