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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 2 14:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning! Who's here? | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| bauzas | (at least for 25 mins) | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Let's get started | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | #link Return Alternate Hosts https://review.openstack.org/504275/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #link Return Selection objects https://review.openstack.org/498830/ | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i had comments on the first | 14:02 |
| edleafe | These two are mine | 14:02 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, saw them | 14:02 |
| edleafe | was waiting until the caffeine fully kicked in before jumping into that | 14:03 |
| mriedem | the two main things i had left where, | 14:03 |
| mriedem | 1. you said you don't expect changes to the compute rpc, but then if we're not persisting the alternate hosts, how do you propose to pass the alternate hosts through for the reschedule loop? | 14:03 |
| mriedem | superconductor -> scheduler -> superconductor -> compute -> cell conductor -> compute2 -> cell conductor -> compute3 | 14:04 |
| mriedem | the cell conductor / compute dance is going to need the alternate hosts passed through | 14:04 |
| bauzas | yup, that was my point in the 2nd spec | 14:04 |
| bauzas | I need to review then the first one | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i haven't read the 2nd, i thought it was just about the object modeling | 14:04 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, I got that. Like I said, I'll get to it later | 14:05 |
| bauzas | there are 2 possibilities, but AFAIR we said to pass by a parameter | 14:05 |
| bauzas | the alternative was to use the ReqSpec object | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Yes, the second is just the object. | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i don't want to use the request spec | 14:05 |
| mriedem | so yeah pass as an rpc parameter | 14:05 |
| mriedem | if the compute is queens, it will get it and send it to conductor, | 14:05 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yeah that was the consensus | 14:06 |
| mriedem | if conductor gets called from a pike compute, it won't have alternate hosts and you're done | 14:06 |
| bauzas | (even if I think we should still pass the ReqSpec record anyway :) | 14:06 |
| mriedem | ok the only other thing on the first was i disagreed with the assertion that notifications will change | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but that's pretty minor | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Next up | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #link nova-spec add traits to /allocation_candidates https://review.openstack.org/497713 | 14:07 |
| bauzas | edleafe: any reason why we have 2 specs ? | 14:07 |
| edleafe | Still trying to get best name for the required traits query param | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | i have comments in ^ too, | 14:08 |
| edleafe | bauzas: We really only needed the alternate hosts as a spec | 14:08 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i've given up on the name of the parameter, 'required' is fine i guess | 14:08 |
| mriedem | it's been discussed at length | 14:08 |
| mriedem | my -1 was on the behavior of passing ?required= | 14:08 |
| edleafe | bauzas: but as there was some disagreement about what the selection object should look like, I wrote a spec so that we could get agreement | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i did some testing and if you pass GET /servers?status='' to the compute api, we take that literally | 14:09 |
| edleafe | mriedem: my objection to 'requires' was wearing my API-SIG hat | 14:09 |
| mriedem | meaning give me all instances with status='' | 14:09 |
| mriedem | and i don't think ^ is what we want | 14:09 |
| edleafe | computers do tend to take things literally :) | 14:09 |
| mriedem | so i was saying, we either do the same and ?required='' means give me all allocatoin candidates that specifically don't have any traits | 14:10 |
| mriedem | which is weird, | 14:10 |
| mriedem | or we just require that if you specify "required" it must be length > 0 | 14:10 |
| edleafe | since 'required' is a list of traits, sending '' means an empty list, no? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | as a user, how do you expect that to be interpreted? | 14:11 |
| edleafe | whereas 'status' is a single string | 14:11 |
| mriedem | the spec says required='' would be ignored | 14:11 |
| edleafe | "required=''" means "I don't require any traits" | 14:12 |
| mriedem | then don't specify the parameter... | 14:12 |
| mriedem | it just seems like very confusing API behavior | 14:12 |
| edleafe | that would be preferable, sure | 14:12 |
| cdent | I’m confused on how this ever became an issue? | 14:13 |
| cdent | why was empty param ever proposed in the first place? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | i said from early in the spec i didn't like treaing ?required='' as ignoring it | 14:13 |
| edleafe | 'status' is saying: match this status. 'required' is saying: "only give me results with these traits" | 14:13 |
| mriedem | because alex said it would be easier to code client-side that way | 14:13 |
| mriedem | edleafe: sure, and i think it could be reasonable for a user to think '' means give me RPs with *no* traits whatsoever | 14:14 |
| cdent | I don’t think that’s worth it | 14:14 |
| mriedem | cdent: i don't either, it's ambiguous behavior | 14:14 |
| mriedem | and inconsistent with the compute api | 14:14 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497713/2/specs/queens/approved/add-trait-support-in-allocation-candidates.rst@67 | 14:14 |
| cdent | Since alex is away I can fix it up tonight or tomorrow morn | 14:14 |
| mriedem | was alex's response to me about it | 14:14 |
| mriedem | well i'd like to make sure we all either agree, or at least don't care | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | including jaypipes and johnthetubaguy since they are +2 on the spec | 14:15 |
| * cdent looks around | 14:15 | |
| mriedem | we can follow up after the meeting | 14:16 |
| mriedem | i'll just leave the -1 for now | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets catch up after | 14:16 |
| edleafe | next up are 2 from cdent | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #link POST /allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499259/ | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Has 1 +2 | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #link Minimal cache headers in Placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496853/ | 14:16 |
| edleafe | Also has 1 +2 | 14:16 |
| cdent | first one requires https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/ | 14:17 |
| edleafe | You beat me to it :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #link Add spec for symmetric GET and PUT of allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508164/ | 14:17 |
| cdent | I have a 4th spec in progress which I think is getting in the weeds about details without agreement on the goal: (limiting /allocation_candidates) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504540/ | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I'd prefer it be an error to provide required=<empty> | 14:18 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: ok same here | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: but I don't feel it enough to hold up the spec. | 14:18 |
| cdent | as I say on there I’m going to rewrite the spec to be more limited unless there are objections | 14:18 |
| edleafe | cdent: no, that sounds good | 14:18 |
| cdent | jaypipes, mriedem: give me a signal if you want me to update alex’s spec | 14:19 |
| mriedem | let's confirm with john after the meeting | 14:19 |
| edleafe | ok then - last spec that I have: | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link Re-propose nested resource providers spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505209/ | 14:20 |
| edleafe | This is going down the rabbit hole of NUMA and NFV permutations | 14:20 |
| mriedem | yeah i saw that.... | 14:20 |
| * cdent passes edleafe the semphore flags | 14:20 | |
| mriedem | i was happyish when it was just a re-proposal, | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | cdent: go for it if it'll make mriedem happy. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | and then it turned into the generic device mgmt thing | 14:21 |
| * cdent is all about making mriedem happy | 14:21 | |
| mriedem | would i be correct in saying the nested rp's spec is less of a re-proposal now and requires a new read through? | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no. | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | didn't we decide a simple first step on nested, I can't remember what that was, bandwith monitoring? | 14:21 |
| bauzas | yeah | 14:21 |
| bauzas | mriedem: +1 | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: it's a re-proposal. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | we said no numa use cases to start at the ptg | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: no, PCI devices. | 14:22 |
| edleafe | I added a little clarifying language to placate some comments, but nothing substantial changed | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: without nUma | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: ++ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ok. the amount of commenting back and forth made me think it was changing quite a bit | 14:22 |
| mriedem | will re-review | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no, it has not. | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | (changed much) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | it's more about the usage of what we could do | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Anyone else have any specs to discuss that I missed? | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have that ironic one (finds link) | 14:24 |
| * bauzas needs to disappear for 20 mins | 14:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052/ | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically using traits with ironic | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the deeper question, is who should set the traits? second, how should they do that? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean generally | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #link Support traits in the Ironic driver #link Re-propose nested resource providers spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505209/ | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | is the answer: Operator + PlacementClient | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: thanks | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505209/ | 14:25 |
| edleafe | #link Support traits in the Ironic driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052/ | 14:26 |
| * edleafe can't copy/paste | 14:26 | |
| edleafe | Moving on then... | 14:27 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:27 | |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to GET /allocation_candidates https://review.openstack.org/479776 | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so at the PTG we were talking more about copying what we do with ResourceClasses, which is the set them in Ironic (using inspector, etc) then push up to placement in the ironic virt driver | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, no response on that one then, for the moment? | 14:27 |
| mriedem | in general, | 14:28 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I'll take a look at the spec later | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'd like nova to not be a proxy for ironic | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, I am ++ that | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i haven't reviewed either spec, but it sounds like you might be proposing that ironic-inspector could create the traits? | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that is how the resource class is set, but its only talking ot the ironic API today | 14:29 |
| mriedem | which could get us into some split brain scenario, but maybe not terrible if the rp generation changes when traits are added/removed | 14:29 |
| mriedem | do we know if ^ is true? | 14:29 |
| edleafe | AFAIK, no, traits don't change generation. cdent? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | thinking about this, inspector can't talk to placement, as it will race nova-compute creating the RP | 14:30 |
| cdent | i need to look, one sec | 14:30 |
| cdent | generation is updated on set trait | 14:30 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: well, one would just get a 409 | 14:31 |
| mriedem | which could be ignored | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: inspector only really runs once when you are commissioning the node | 14:31 |
| edleafe | cdent: ah, you're right. I was looking at the trait creation code | 14:31 |
| mriedem | but that's why i wondered about the generation, because we don't want to the user to chnage traits on the node via ironic api, and then have inspector and nova-compute racing to update the traits | 14:31 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: well the ironic virt driver would need to do the same thing with traits as it currently does with node.resource_class | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: it can go in a retry loop, but thats nasty | 14:32 |
| mriedem | why can't ironic itself just call placement? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: thats the current proposal, I think its the safest, but nasty approach | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: whatever method Ironic wants to use to expose those traits, fine by us. The Ironic virt driver will just need to ask Ironic for that information the way it needs to. | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: in other words, decouple any expectations between Nova and Ironic :) | 14:32 |
| mriedem | don't forget about mogan :) | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: that makes the virt driver a bit of a proxy though, which is what we don't really want | 14:33 |
| mriedem | anything you do as a proxy in the nova ironic driver, they will copy in mogan | 14:33 |
| cdent | It sounds like the question is in part about whether ironic will talk to placement itself, or nova will talk to ironic to talk to placement | 14:33 |
| cdent | I think we should encourage the former | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: that's exactly how we handle libvirt, hyper-v, etc, though | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: they report traits already? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | no | 14:34 |
| mriedem | but they will for some standard types i think | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: libvirt does a get_devices('pci') and looks at capabilities crap and jams it into the resources dict returned from get_avilable_resource(). hyperv and xen do similar but different underlying calls. | 14:34 |
| mriedem | like vgpus | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: they put them in extra specs now, but yes. | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: and I mean cpu_info | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean its like ironic and capabilities now, which they want to drop once traits is working | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: which is matched with the extra specs for compute capabilities filter. | 14:35 |
| mriedem | the stuff an operator would put on an ironic node for traits would be mostly custom traits, yes? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: not all, but most | 14:35 |
| cdent | gotta dash, will catch up on log later | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: could be. or could be standardized if the hardware folks decide on some standard traits. | 14:35 |
| * cdent waves | 14:35 | |
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| mriedem | i'm just trying to compare what we would be doing for libvirt/hyperv wrt custom traits, and i guess the answer is flavor extra specs? | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, so ironic will use the same flavor extra specs for the request | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: well, right now all the virt drivers "inspect" the host in their own way and jam capabilities into the cpu_info key of the resource dict returned by get_avaialable_resource() | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: we'd like to change that to have the virt drivers passed a ProviderTree and have them associate traits with the providers in that tree and then have the RT and scheduler report client do the needful as far as communicating with placement. | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: make sense? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | and we're going to translate those capabilities to traits on the compute node resource provider? | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: no, the virt drivers would tag a provider with a set of traits | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: you mean in get_inventory() ? | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: which is what they do today only instead of tagging a provider with traits, they just return a JSON blob of randomness in the resources dict returned from get_available_resource() | 14:38 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: yep. | 14:38 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: right and then ComputeCapabilitiesFilter processes that json bloc | 14:38 |
| mriedem | *blob | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: though with the nested resource providers series, we're changing that to update_inventory() but yeah, same conecepot | 14:39 |
| mriedem | or whatever other scheduler filter cares | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yup | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: and we'd love to get rid of that awfulness. | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think jaypipes might (mostly) like the spec, I think mriedem might (mostly) hate the spec, in its current state | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: nope, it's just the cOmputecapabilitiesfilter. | 14:39 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: and whatever out of tree filters i mean :) | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: that is good to know, these ironic patches would sit behind that I guess | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: ah, yeah | 14:39 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: well, given ^ i might hate it less | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sorry, which spec are we referringh to? | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507052 | 14:40 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: the ironic driver being consistent with the other drivers is ok by me | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | I've lost track of which spec... :( | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | ah! | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: it sounds more consistent than I expected, which is nice | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: well I had not even seen that spec yet! :) | 14:40 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: so I don't know if I like it or not ;) | 14:40 |
| * johnthetubaguy mission accomplished. | 14:40 | |
| jaypipes | :) | 14:41 |
| * jaypipes reviews now | 14:41 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks, I think that helps me feel better about plan A for the spec | 14:41 |
| edleafe | Well now... we're running a bit long today, so rather than go through the reviews one-by-one, let me dump them all and if any tickle your interest, we can discuss | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #link Add traits to get RPs with shared https://review.openstack.org/478464/ | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #link Allow _set_allocations to delete allocations https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501051/ | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #link WIP - POST /allocations for >1 consumer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500073/ | 14:43 |
| edleafe | #link Use ksa adapter for placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492247/ | 14:44 |
| edleafe | #link Migration allocation fixes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/migration-allocations+status:open | 14:44 |
| edleafe | #link Add Alternate Hosts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486215/ | 14:44 |
| edleafe | #link Add Selection objects https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499239/ | 14:44 |
| edleafe | #link Return Selection objects from the scheduler driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495854/ | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | well, since it's spec sprint today, should we be primarily focused on those? | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | jaypipes: tomorrow is the spec review sprint | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | oh... | 14:44 |
| mriedem | posted late to the ML this morning, sorry | 14:45 |
| * jaypipes steps back, suitably reprimanded. | 14:45 | |
| mriedem | feel free to review specs all day :) | 14:45 |
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| edleafe | No interest in discussing any of these reviews? | 14:47 |
| edleafe | Moving on then... | 14:48 |
| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:48 |
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| edleafe | #link placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1719933 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719933 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement server needs to retry allocations, server-side" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:48 |
| edleafe | Just the one new one that arose from mriedem's tests with large numbers of builds | 14:48 |
| mriedem | which i'm trying to recreate here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507918/ | 14:49 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: that TODO is not really relevant any more. | 14:49 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: why? | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: we now *do* attempt 3 retries when claiming resources. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: client side, | 14:50 |
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| mriedem | and we've seen that failing | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: handling automatically the concurrent update detected. | 14:50 |
| mriedem | hence the bug | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | ah, sorry... | 14:50 |
| * jaypipes steps back, suitably reprimanded. | 14:50 | |
| mriedem | dansmith and i were doing large(r) scale multi-create testing last week | 14:50 |
| mriedem | if you try to create >100 instances at once, you start hitting the limits of that client side retry | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: gotcha. | 14:51 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507918/ is trying to recreate in devstack so we can get logs to see where the conflict is coming from, | 14:51 |
| mriedem | because it's using the fake driver which shouldn't be updating inventory | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: if OK with you, I'd like to take that bug then. | 14:51 |
| * bauzas is bacvk | 14:51 | |
| mriedem | go nuts | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: since I have a series that has cleaned up DB stuff in the resource_provider.py module | 14:51 |
| edleafe | Well, we have 7 minutes left for: | 14:53 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:53 | |
| edleafe | Anything that we haven't covered? | 14:53 |
| mriedem | i have another bug fix | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507687/ | 14:53 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:53 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507687/ | 14:53 |
| mriedem | ^ needs to go to pike | 14:53 |
| mriedem | fixes 2 bugs | 14:53 |
| * edleafe is curious that #undo doesn't undo topics | 14:53 | |
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| edleafe | #link Remove dest node allocations during live migration rollback https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507687/ | 14:54 |
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| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? | 14:55 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:56 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 2 14:56:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-02-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-02-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-10-02-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 2 20:02:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:02 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic roll call | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-queens | 20:03 |
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| ssathaye | o/ | 20:14 |
| ssathaye | hello Dave. Sorry late. | 20:14 |
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| dave-mcc_ | hi ssathaye | 20:16 |
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| ssathaye | Light meeting today? | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | yes, again. :-) i think monday afternoon is a bad time. | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | i started a tracker page for queens: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-queens | 20:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | did you have anything you'd like to discuss? | 20:19 |
| ssathaye | ok. just opened. | 20:19 |
| ssathaye | not specifically - just that assign me the first (simple) bug to work on and I will go from there | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | ok. i'll take a look now. | 20:22 |
| ssathaye | ok | 20:22 |
| dave-mccowan | here's one: | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388267/ | 20:24 |
| ssathaye | Taking a look | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | as a usability enhancement especially for scripting, we want to change to output fields to match the code. | 20:25 |
| ssathaye | ok | 20:25 |
| ssathaye | There already is a patch for it - start off of the patch? | 20:26 |
| ssathaye | Or start anew? | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | since this patch was first made, the code has changed a lot. it might be easier to start fresh, following the example. | 20:27 |
| ssathaye | ok | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | all the files have moved from / to /v1/, so it shouldn't be too hard to merge. | 20:27 |
| ssathaye | How long would it take for someone, if working full time on it? | 20:27 |
| ssathaye | I will adjust expectations based on a few hours a week | 20:28 |
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| ssathaye | Is there a way to claim it? Or not just yet? | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | it might just take a day or two... depending on how fast you are with cut and paste. :-) | 20:29 |
| ssathaye | ha! | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | it's all yours | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | and search and replace | 20:30 |
| ssathaye | (with emacs....can be a breeze. but that's famous-last-words :-) | 20:30 |
| ssathaye | ok | 20:30 |
| ssathaye | perfect | 20:30 |
| ssathaye | thx Dave | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | ping me if you have any questions. | 20:32 |
| ssathaye | will do | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | and keep an eye on the tracker page... i'll work to update that more through the week to document our plans. there will be other opportunities for work. :-) | 20:33 |
| ssathaye | ok - this is the barbican-tracker-queens page - got it | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | yep | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | ok... that's all for today then. | 20:35 |
| ssathaye | sounds good! | 20:35 |
| ssathaye | By when must this be completed to make it into Queens? | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | January. no pressure. :-) | 20:36 |
| dave-mccowan | client changes are good to do early though, so we can shake out any issues we cause to projects/people that consume the API through the client. | 20:36 |
| ssathaye | got it! that's helpful | 20:36 |
| ssathaye | understood | 20:37 |
| ssathaye | so we are done? | 20:37 |
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| dave-mccowan | yes, let's close for today. | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks for joining! | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | talk to you later. | 20:37 |
| ssathaye | sounds good. Of course! ttyl | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 2 20:37:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-02-20.02.html | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-02-20.02.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-10-02-20.02.log.html | 20:38 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 2 21:01:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| leong | #chair shamail_ MeganR | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: MeganR leong shamail_ | 21:01 |
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| leong | #topic Rollcall | 21:01 |
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| leong | #chair rockyg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: MeganR leong rockyg shamail_ | 21:01 |
| leong | hi.. | 21:01 |
| leong | we are going to start PWG irc meeting... | 21:02 |
| shamail_ | Hi everyone | 21:02 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:02 |
| leong | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| leong | hi rockyg shamail_ MeganR | 21:02 |
| leong | arkady will be a few mins late... | 21:02 |
| shamail_ | Ok | 21:02 |
| leong | let's wait for another 2 mins, meanwhile please take a look at the agenda | 21:03 |
| leong | anything else to discuss in today agenda? | 21:03 |
| shamail_ | Nothing from me | 21:04 |
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| leong | ok.. let's get started... | 21:05 |
| leong | #topic Review virtual midcycle action item | 21:05 |
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| leong | #link virtual-midycle minutes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VIR-pwg-meetup-2017q3 | 21:05 |
| leong | we did a quick ran through last week for the midcycle ##actionitem | 21:05 |
| rockyg | maybe we should consider checking out the forum when the schedule is fixed and try to distribute ourselves across the SIG meetings. Might be worth discussing | 21:06 |
| shamail_ | rockyg: +1 | 21:06 |
| leong | there was a Action item summary on the etherpad: line 230 - 70 | 21:06 |
| leong | lin 230 - line 270 | 21:06 |
| leong | rockyg: sure..we can talk about that later in the next agenda.. "Sydney Plan" | 21:07 |
| leong | for the midcycle action item, arkady and myself have picked up a few | 21:07 |
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| shamail_ | I’m working with Pete and Anne on the roadmap team stuff | 21:08 |
| leong | shamail_: great! | 21:08 |
| leong | MeganR: shamail_ rockyg : did you all get a chance to look at the #actionitem summary | 21:09 |
| rockyg | yup. | 21:10 |
| rockyg | specially since I missed day 2 | 21:10 |
| shamail_ | I’ve looked at it, but I’m not on the etherpad right now. | 21:10 |
| leong | a few key things will relates to "educating/communicating" with other SIG/WG on how to utilize Dev Proposal | 21:11 |
| MeganR | sorry, juggling another meeting at the moment - yes, I did look at it | 21:11 |
| leong | arkady sent an email to SIG-mailing list and did received some feedback | 21:12 |
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| leong | #link SIG/PWG feedback http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2017-September/000086.html | 21:13 |
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| leong | #link SIG/PWG more feedback http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2017-September/000104.html | 21:14 |
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| leong | we shall reach out to the SIG at Sydney Forum | 21:15 |
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| leong | anyone has question from the PWG Midcycle meeting? | 21:15 |
| shamail | How do we want to proceed with getting people assigned to the remaining action items? | 21:16 |
| leong | shamail: volunteering? | 21:16 |
| * shamail is looking at the etherpad now | 21:16 | |
| leong | shamail: i think we are pretty much cover most action item | 21:17 |
| shamail | I think 101, 168 has to be done after Sydney | 21:17 |
| leong | some are more relates to ongoing activiites such as communicating with SIG/WG/UC | 21:17 |
| shamail | lines 246, 264 | 21:17 |
| leong | shamail: +1 | 21:18 |
| shamail | For 128, we should reach out to Alan to get on the schedule for a future Board meeting after we define how we will operate with SIGs | 21:18 |
| leong | shamail: ok.. i put a notes there | 21:20 |
| shamail | thanks leong | 21:20 |
| leong | SIG liason.. this will required more resources and coordination | 21:20 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:21 |
| shamail | It wasn’t specified as an action but I can draw a diagram depicting how the new PWG model will operate… it might be useful to help us identify gaps, make adjustments, and also share with the broader community when we reach out to SIGs | 21:24 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:24 |
| leong | shamail: that will be great | 21:24 |
| MeganR | Shamail: +1 I would be interested in that, really not understanding it currently :) | 21:24 |
| shamail | Awesome. | 21:24 |
| shamail | I’ll assign myself the action | 21:24 |
| leong | #info shamail will create a diagram depicting new PWG model | 21:25 |
| shamail | #action Create overview diagram for the new PWG model of operation (shamail) | 21:25 |
| shamail | MeganR: It is abstract so not well documented in the etherpad, I’m hoping I can take some of the discussion from the virtual midcycle in a simplified manner | 21:26 |
| MeganR | that would be really welcome, then I might feel like I have a clue to help out :) | 21:26 |
| shamail | :D | 21:27 |
| leong | cool | 21:27 |
| leong | anything else to discuss in relates to the Virtual Midcycle? shall we move on to next topic? | 21:27 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:28 |
| leong | #topic Sydney Planning | 21:28 |
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| leong | we have the BoF and Working Session schedule | 21:28 |
| leong | #link BoF https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20412/product-working-group-bof | 21:28 |
| leong | #link Working Session https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-working-group-wg | 21:29 |
| shamail | Nice! | 21:29 |
| leong | both are on the same day, and in sequence | 21:29 |
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| leong | as far as i know.. not many PWG members will be at Sydney | 21:29 |
| MeganR | I won't be there :( | 21:29 |
| shamail | Ditto /sadface | 21:30 |
| leong | i can try to set up a voice bridge for the Working Session? | 21:30 |
| shamail | That would be good | 21:30 |
| shamail | I checked the time and it would be evening EST | 21:30 |
| leong | 10:50am-11:30am Sydney time | 21:30 |
| leong | that should be 7:50pm Eastern time | 21:31 |
| rockyg | the scheduling gods were kind | 21:31 |
| shamail | lol yeah | 21:32 |
| MeganR | I think a voice bridge would be good, so far I don't know of any conflicts on that date :) | 21:32 |
| leong | should be 6:50pm after daylight saving changed | 21:32 |
| leong | ll | 21:33 |
| leong | lol | 21:33 |
| MeganR | good point about the time change | 21:33 |
| leong | ok.. i will set up a voice bridge | 21:33 |
| leong | #agreed leong will set up a voice bridge for PWG Working Session at Sydney | 21:33 |
| leong | shall we plan something for the Working Session agenda? | 21:34 |
| shamail | Or at least try to… it’s always tricky with audio setup | 21:34 |
| shamail | leong: please create the etherpad, I don’t have any suggestions on the agenda yet but I am sure as we make progress on our action items from the midcycle we will identify topics | 21:35 |
| leong | #link PWG Sydney Working Session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-product-wg-working-session | 21:35 |
| shamail | leong: thanks | 21:35 |
| leong | rockyg: will you be at Sydney? | 21:37 |
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| leong | rockyg: shamail MeganR : please welcome to add agenda to the etherpad | 21:38 |
| rockyg | not sure yet. | 21:38 |
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| leong | for the BoF, i think will be just round-table discussion | 21:39 |
| shamail | Curious, MeganR & rockyg: Did you apply to the travel support program or is it more an issue of time commitment/conflict? | 21:39 |
| rockyg | Did not apply for the travel support. I'm trying to work travel through the company. | 21:40 |
| shamail | gotcha | 21:40 |
| rockyg | Old group not interested in sponsoring me, but I think I have justification through the new one. | 21:40 |
| shamail | rockyg: good luck | 21:41 |
| MeganR | it is an issue of that no longer being my primary work focus - still in Cloud, but they have pulled out of us speaking and international travel | 21:41 |
| shamail | thanks MeganR, I was curious about whether budget was the primary concern but that doesn’t seem like it | 21:41 |
| leong | many company experiencing the similar situation | 21:41 |
| MeganR | and yes, finding lots of time conflicts which are "challenging" | 21:41 |
| shamail | FWIW, I am in the same boat.. time away + not primary role is what is keeping me | 21:41 |
| MeganR | I think a lot of us are, across OpenStack/Open Source | 21:42 |
| rockyg | definitely not my primary role any more. | 21:42 |
| leong | that would impact most of the work here as well :( | 21:42 |
| shamail | Sorry for the side topic.. it might be worth asking the foundation if future summits can be pre-planned for remote participation (since a lot of people might be remote going forward) | 21:43 |
| leong | shamail: +1 | 21:43 |
| shamail | That’s what I was trying to gauge | 21:43 |
| MeganR | excellent idea! | 21:43 |
| shamail | I’ll start the thread and copy ya'll | 21:43 |
| leong | start "zooming" | 21:43 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:43 |
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| MeganR | lol - leong: I read that at first as "Zoomba" | 21:44 |
| rockyg | Yeah. I think a lot of the community is still trying to participate even though they are no longer focused through employment | 21:44 |
| leong | MeganR: lol | 21:44 |
| shamail | MeganR: lol | 21:44 |
| MeganR | rockyg: I agree, and it's tough to juggle | 21:44 |
| leong | rockyg: going back to your early question >> maybe we should consider checking out the forum when the schedule is fixed and try to distribute ourselves across the SIG meetings. | 21:44 |
| leong | rockyg: that would depends on who will be there... | 21:45 |
| shamail | I think the idea is great but we would need to identify # of people there | 21:45 |
| shamail | leong: could you send a message on the ML to do an informal poll on how many PWG members will be in Sydney? | 21:45 |
| shamail | or I could | 21:46 |
| rockyg | I think Leong and arkady... | 21:46 |
| shamail | either way | 21:46 |
| rockyg | Don't know about Pete. | 21:46 |
| leong | ok | 21:46 |
| shamail | Pete said he will be there in the last roadmap call but we can confirm | 21:46 |
| leong | shamail: ok | 21:46 |
| leong | anything else to discuss for Sydney Planning | 21:47 |
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| shamail | nothing from me at the moment | 21:48 |
| leong | #topic Open | 21:48 |
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| leong | any open, folks? | 21:48 |
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| MeganR | I don't have anything | 21:49 |
| rockyg | nope | 21:49 |
| leong | alright.. have a good week everyone! | 21:49 |
| MeganR | you too! | 21:49 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 2 21:49:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-02-21.01.html | 21:49 |
| rockyg | same for all here! | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-02-21.01.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-10-02-21.01.log.html | 21:49 |
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| shamail | take care | 21:50 |
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| Shrews | zoooooooool | 22:01 |
| clarkb | ohai | 22:01 |
| fungi | hrm, to meet or nor to meet? | 22:02 |
| jeblair | are folks interested in having a zuul meeting? i'd be happy to skip it to continue trying to put out fires, but don't want to block folks if it would help | 22:02 |
| fungi | i can think of somewhere between zero and one topics for the meeting | 22:02 |
| clarkb | fungi: reverting being the one? | 22:02 |
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| fungi | clarkb: more like "hey, openstack is migrating to zuul v3" | 22:02 |
| clarkb | ah | 22:02 |
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| Shrews | i'm fine w/ not meeting | 22:03 |
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| Shrews | mostly because i'd like to make dinner more than fire fight anymore | 22:04 |
| fungi | i'm cool with plugging away. we've basically been in a week-long zuul meeting already | 22:04 |
| jeblair | let's skip it in favor of the continuing meeting | 22:04 |
| jlk | cheers | 22:04 |
| Shrews | motion seconded | 22:04 |
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| fungi | -> #openstack-infra (and #openstack-zuul) | 22:04 |
| fungi | er, #zuul | 22:04 |
| fungi | there is no #openstack-zuul, only #zuul ;) | 22:05 |
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