Thursday, 2017-10-26

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dirk#startmeeting rpm_packaging12:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 26 12:02:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging'12:02
dirkping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof12:02
dirk#topic roll call12:02
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dirkanyone around? jpena ?12:23
jpenao/12:23
jpenasorry I was distracted with other stuff12:23
dirkno problem12:28
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dirk#topic Pymod2pkg.release schema (when is 1.0)12:42
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dirkthere was a question from openstack release team on when we intend to release pymod2pkg 1.0 (beucase the recent python->python2 change was considered incompatible)12:42
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dirkI would vote for doing a 1.0 release once we are somewhat closer to having python3 in master12:43
dirkjpena: any opinon?12:43
dirkand sorry, I got pulled into some other real life meeting as well12:43
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* dirk needs to drop off12:48
dirk#endmeeting12:48
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Oct 26 12:48:20 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)12:48
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-10-26-12.02.html12:48
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-10-26-12.02.txt12:48
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-10-26-12.02.log.html12:48
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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 26 15:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:01
gouthamro/15:01
dustins\o15:01
marksturhi15:01
bswartzhello all15:01
tbarronhi15:01
jungleboyj@!15:01
_pewp_jungleboyj (◍˃̶ᗜ˂̶◍)ノ”15:01
zhongjunhi15:01
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bswartzjungleboyj what is that?15:01
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jungleboyjLooks like a waving cat.  :-)15:02
gansohello15:02
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bswartzthese emojis are like rorschach tests15:03
jungleboyj:-)  Gotta keep your life interesting.15:03
bswartzcourtesy ping: cknight vponomaryov toabctl15:04
bswartz#topic announcements15:04
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bswartzso we extended the spec freeze deadline 1 week, to today15:04
bswartzI don't see any more specs that look ready for review15:04
bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-specs15:05
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bswartzso I think we're in good shape spec-wise15:05
bswartzthe agenda is short today15:06
tbarronreview comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504987/ are solicited, though we won't merge it for this cycle's deadline15:06
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:06
bswartztbarron: okay thanks -- I'll plan to take a look15:06
bswartzI have one topic for today15:07
bswartz#topic Manila test image15:07
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bswartz#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-test-image15:07
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bswartzis anyone reviewing changes to this project?15:07
bswartzI'm wondering if it makes sense for me to just ninja merge stuff here, or if there are other core that want to review what goes into manila-test-image15:08
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tbarronI think ninja-merge is OK for this15:08
tbarronI've been watching out of the corner of my eye from time to time15:08
bswartzthere's a ton of work needed to get the manila nextgen driver working, and it's really hard to maintain long chains of unmerged patches15:08
tbarronthis test image isn't used for our gate yet15:08
gouthamr+115:09
vkmco/15:09
bswartzokay so no objection to ninja merging on manila-test-image during the queens cycle?15:09
markstur++15:09
bswartzokay cool15:10
bswartz#topic Let's Go Over New Bugs15:11
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bswartzdustins: title caps here hurt my eyes15:11
dustinsLooks like it's my turn, then15:11
bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad15:12
* dustins makes note to look at his copy of "Elements of Style"15:12
dustinsSo the first one this week is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/171578315:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1715783 in Manila "The associated share will be deleted after delete all share replica" [Undecided,New]15:12
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dustinszhongjun: You opened this a bit ago, has to do with a share being deleted when all of its associated replicas were deleted15:13
zhongjundustins: yes15:13
bswartzI'm confused15:13
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bswartzwhen you say "all replicas" do you mean the original replica too?15:13
zhongjundustins:  It just from our user's perspective, they thought the share replica and share are different resources.  They shouldn’t interact with each other. If we want to clean the share replica then we can delete all share replica.15:14
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zhongjunbswartz:  yes15:14
gouthamrokay, this relates to our "reset-state" mechanism15:14
bswartzwhen a share is created, it gets 1 "replica" automatically15:14
bswartzeven unreplicated shares are treated as if they have 1 replica15:14
gouthamrbswartz: zhongjun created a share, reset the replica-state of the "replica" and used share-replica-delete on that15:15
dustinsSo deleting all replicas will delete the share because it IS one of the replicas15:16
bswartzyeah that's the point I was trying to make15:16
bswartzif you delete the last replica, you did delete the share -- working as designed IMO15:16
gouthamrthe logic in the API is you can't use share-replica-delete to delete that last replica15:16
zhongjunbswartz:  so, when a share is created, they thought "replica" is a different resource, so we may not gets 1 "replica" automatically15:16
bswartzgouthamr: that was going to be my next question15:17
bswartzwe may have a usability issue15:17
bswartzwhile we know that deleting the last repica is the same as deleting the share, it would better to force users to go through the share deletion path to actually do that15:17
zhongjundustins: yes, because it is one of the replicas15:17
bswartzto avoid confusion and surprises15:17
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gouthamrbswartz: that's how it is implemented15:18
bswartzdoes reset state allow you to do something not intended?15:19
gouthamrthere's reset-replica-state, which messes with that :/15:19
bswartzokay15:19
bswartzso we don't need to fix the whole bug during this meeting15:19
gouthamrwell, the reset-* methods are meant to be used by administrators so they don't go into the DB15:19
bswartzPlease update the bug with the suggested fix and let's move on15:19
dustinsSounds good15:19
dustinsNext up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/171306215:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1713062 in Manila "Missing ability to automatically build configuration reference artifacts" [Undecided,New]15:20
zhongjunbswartz: okay15:20
gouthamr#action: gouthamr update bug/171578315:20
dustinsSo this one has to do with docs stuff since the docs were moved in tree15:20
dustinsAnd we lost the ability to get release diffs of configuration options with that15:21
bswartzgouthamr: this bug is pretty high priority IMO -- is it a lot of work to fix it?15:21
dustinsSo just just gotta do a bit of work to get it working again (presumably)15:21
bswartzdo you know specifically what's needed?15:21
tbarronjungleboyj: do you have this working in cinder yet?15:22
bswartzis this one of those situations where we can just steal code from cinder?15:22
bswartztbarron: my thought exactly15:22
gouthamri don't yet, the docs teams had some tooling around our in-tree config generator that we might need to resurrect and adopt15:22
* bswartz tries to rope jungleboyj into fixing all our docs issues15:22
tbarronbswartz: didn't you talk with jungleboyj and dhellman about this?15:22
jungleboyjtbarron:  let me look.15:22
bswartzoh wait -- this is slightly different than what I assumed it was15:23
bswartzyes, this topic was covered at the PTG15:23
jungleboyjtbarron:  We talked about that in Denver.  I am trying to remember what we landed on.  Let me look at the notes.15:23
bswartzIMO it's less of a bug than a new feature -- but either way it's high priority15:23
tbarronpresumably every openstack component has this issue so there should be some kind of tool and howto15:24
bswartzeven if cinder hasn't done this -- some other project has (I would guess nova at least) so we can go look for a model to replicate15:24
zhongjun+115:24
tbarronI think we'll need to mark up our code and run a tool but that's all I know15:24
jungleboyjOk, found the notes.  So, there is a sphinxext plugin that I need to look at that should be able to automatically generate tables of config items for drivers in each release.15:25
dustinsjungleboyj: Mind if I assign you to the bug?15:25
tbarronjungleboyj: do you know if any project has used it yet?15:25
jungleboyjIf, however, what you are looking to do is produce diffs of options.  That is a different topic.  We have been relying on release notes with changes to document those.15:25
zhongjunjungleboyj: Is there a link?15:26
jungleboyjtbarron:  I believe Nova has done it.15:26
jungleboyjHold on.15:26
tbarrondustins: well we can take the bug rather than the cinder ptl but15:26
bswartzdustins: I was joking about assigning this to jungleboyj15:26
dustinsOh, haha15:26
bswartzI'm sure he's busy enough15:26
tbarronthey will presumably be doing their own work in parallel15:26
bswartzbut I was serious about trying to just copy the work of either cinder or nova15:26
bswartzideally this shouldn't be a heavy lift15:27
jungleboyjNotes with links are here:15:27
jungleboyj#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens-wednesday-notes15:27
tbarron+1 we are short-handed so if anyone has a model to follow that will help15:27
jungleboyjExample of how Nova is doing it:15:27
jungleboyj#link https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/83a9c2ac334712b27704a814552628cf0e536a8515:27
zhongjuncool, we could just follow this15:28
gouthamrrelevant #link: https://docs.openstack.org/oslo.config/latest/reference/sphinxext.html15:28
jungleboyjSo, that gets the high level part done.  I still have to figure out if there is a way to do it per driver.15:28
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bswartzI copied those links to the bug15:28
bswartzit still needs an owner, but now whoever takes it has a roadmap to follow15:29
dustinsAnd I added the information to the bug etherpad as well15:29
bswartzdustins: it's preferable for the etherpad to have ephemeral information and for all long-term relevant into to be captured in LP15:30
jungleboyjIt is going to be a bit before I get to playing with this on the Cinder side.15:30
bswartzthey call it "etherpad" for a reason15:30
bswartzs/into/info/15:30
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dustinsbswartz: Sure, but just in case someone looks at the etherpad for a low hanging fruit to get started with Manila, they can have some info15:30
jungleboyjbswartz:  That is why I summarize the notes in our Wiki.  :-)15:30
dustinsAgreed that it should be in Launchpad definitively :)15:31
bswartzmay wiki live forever!15:31
bswartznext?15:31
dustinsNext is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/171306015:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1713060 in Manila "Changing service network mask breakes new service subnet creation" [Undecided,New]15:32
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bswartzugh15:32
bswartzthis is unsupported intentionally15:32
dustinsHehehe15:32
dustinsSo Won't Fix/Not a Bug, then? :)15:33
bswartzthere are all kinds of configuration options, where if you change them after you've created some shares, your system will be totally hosed15:33
bswartzwe probably need to at least document which options those are15:33
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bswartzand consider preventing some of the worst problems15:34
tbarronnote that jan vondra filed this one and he has a number of patches up for the generic driver15:34
dustinsSounds like a good idea15:34
tbarronesp. for generic driver with cifs15:34
bswartzyeah15:34
bswartzthe generic driver is pretty fragile15:35
bswartzeven the changes I'm working on don't solve this kind of problem15:35
gansobswartz: there is a config option for setting the subnet15:35
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bswartzyeah15:35
gansobswartz: if changing it does not work, the config option shouldn't exist15:36
bswartzwhere neutron is involved, or anything related to networking really, we assume that the initial values won't ever change15:36
tbarronbswartz: can you update that bug with your observations/reflections?15:36
tbarronganso: well it can have different initial values15:36
bswartztbarron: what ganso is getting at, and I think I agree, is that something which can't ever change should be entered into the database, not a config file15:37
tbarronganso: bswartz ack15:37
bswartzso we may have some design flaws15:37
bswartzI will update the bug15:37
bswartzbut absent some proposal to address these design issues, I don't see how to fix the bug15:38
bswartzso it will most likely go to wontfix15:38
tbarronmaybe we'll get lucky and jan vondra will come up with an approach to the issue15:38
bswartzyes it's possible15:38
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bswartzdustins: next?15:38
dustinshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/170947415:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1709474 in Manila "Can't reset state of a share server" [Undecided,New]15:38
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dustinsThis one just has to do with wanting reset operations for share servers in addition to shares themselves15:39
tbarronhow much cleanup would reset-state for share servers do?15:40
tbarronis it *just* the DB change?15:40
gouthamrnothing, it would only update the state on the DB15:40
gouthamryes15:40
tbarronk15:40
bswartzreset state was only ever supposed to hack the DB column right?15:41
gouthamryes15:41
bswartzcleanup is explicitly not done in reset state15:41
tbarroni'm just getting that on record :)15:41
gouthamr:) it's a hack15:41
bswartzif you want to cleanup, you use a non-forced delete15:41
bswartzthe main benefit of reset state, is that it allows you to retry a failed delete15:42
bswartzincreasing the chance of actually cleaning up a mess15:42
bswartzofc it also allows you to turn a small mess into a big mess15:42
bswartzif used incorrectly15:43
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tbarronso this is a minor feature as we never said you can do this15:43
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tbarronbut it's a reasonable expectation15:43
tbarronwhat other resources can we not reset today?15:44
gouthamryes, if a share server is stuck in "creating" or "deleting" state (reasons abound) it can't be deleted via manila API15:44
gouthamryou'd've to resort to mucking with the database15:44
zhongjunyeah, we cannot do any other operations except delete/list/show15:44
bswartzgouthamr: is this an RFE masquerading as a bug?15:44
gouthamrYes, perhaps... can i not have it, then?15:45
tbarronI don't think it requires a spec :)15:45
bswartzI marked it wishlist15:45
bswartzwe'd need a use case I think15:45
tbarronBut it would be good to think about what other resources have the same issue.15:45
bswartzto explain who the intended user is and what he's going to do with it15:46
gouthamrit's on the bug.. i can add another one..15:46
gouthamryep15:46
bswartzoh I had to read it a second time to see the use case15:46
bswartzyes the RFE is clear15:46
bswartzit feels low priority to me15:46
bswartzthe workaround is to use mysql15:47
bswartznext?15:48
zhongjunand figure out is there another way to solve this use case? Could we just use force delete if  the use case is just for delete it.15:48
dustinsLast one for today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/170849115:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1708491 in Manila "tempest api migration tests very long" [Undecided,New]15:48
bswartzzhongjun: gouthamr didn't want to delete it, he wanted to continue using it15:48
dustinsThis one has to do with the speed (or perhaps the lack of it) with migration tests15:48
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gouthamrzhongjun: also, no force-delete on share-servers :)15:49
bswartztbarron: should we consider a separate job for migration tests?15:50
tbarrongouthamr: probably wish-list bugs for each of these, they are relatively low-hanging fruit if still low-priority15:50
gouthamrtbarron: +1 will add it15:50
bswartzis there an advantage to running migration tests on every single job?15:50
tbarronbswartz: I think we should look at this issue again after raissa15:50
zhongjungouthamr, bswartz: :)15:50
tbarronhas moved the tests to their own repo and we look at convertying15:50
tbarronconverting the legacy jobs to new zuulv3 format15:51
gouthamrone reason they're on every job is because we have so many first party drivers and driver-modes15:51
tbarronand in that last step maybe decide to take a different approach15:51
gouthamrand they're not entirely "api" tests..15:51
bswartzyeah but are we really testing anything unique in each case?15:51
bswartzor is it the same code running over and over15:51
bswartzI agree that drivers with assisted migration need to test that somehow15:52
gansobswartz: there are main tests15:52
tbarronthat's a good question15:52
gansobswartz: which guarantee that a migration works15:52
bswartzbut none of first party drivers do that15:52
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gansobswartz: but there are other tests such as "migrate and extend", "migrate and create from snapshots" that guarantee that other functionality work with migration15:52
bswartzwhat is really being tested though?15:53
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bswartzhow is a migrate and extend different from a create new share and extend?15:53
bswartz(for drivers that don't assist migration)15:53
gansoit shouldn't be any different15:53
gansobut we have seen cases where these things break15:54
gouthamrthe idea is to blackbox the tests and not favor them based on how we know it works.. :)15:54
bswartzthen there's not a lot of point in burning CPU cycles on running the tests for every job15:54
bswartzgouthamr: in an ideal world with infinite CPU cycles, yes15:54
gansobecause drivers have to handle share_id, share_instance_id changes on migrated shares and these things can end up not being handled properly15:54
bswartzthis is a case of some unusually slow tests though15:54
bswartzso it's reasonable to treat them specially15:54
gansowe always migrate a 1gb empty share15:55
tbarroni'm less concerned with the cpu cycles than the human cycles sorting out the false negatives and rechecking on patches that have nothinig to do with migration15:55
bswartzif we can get the test's runtime down from 4 minutes to under a minute, I think that would be an acceptable fix too15:55
gansotbarron: if that's the case we should take a step back and investigate why they fail instead of rechecking15:56
bswartzbut assuming that's hard, we should consider running them in a different pipe15:56
tbarronyeah, that would be best, I just don't know how to do that right off15:56
gansotbarron: migrations shouldn't be fail-prone that we recheck until the work15:56
gansos/the work/they work15:56
bswartzthey could still vote, but we could removing slowness as a cause of failures15:56
gouthamrcan the slowness be because of that periodic interval that can't be respected as well?15:57
tbarronganso: I agree, but often they take way too long and that's the reason for the failures, and the reason for the slowness is mysterious15:57
bswartzthat's a good point15:57
gansolately, especially with generic driver and lvm driver, I've seen only the migration tests failing, but most of the time they work15:57
gouthamror is that only the case with zfsonlinux, netapp, dummy drivers15:57
bswartzthe slowness might be something easy to address by speeding up some intervals15:57
gansobswartz, tbarron: I think we can attribute an "endurance test" characteristic to migration tests, and have them as a separate job. Those separate jobs should always pass, if they don't, then there's something wrong with the driver or storage, but we can separate the "flakyness" of those tests from the main jobs which are voting and fail much less when they don't run migration tests15:59
bswartzganso: I agree with you that simply closing your eyes and rechecking is the wrong approach here15:59
gouthamrtime check16:00
gouthamrso we need someone to investigate and dig into these failures?16:00
bswartzganso: that's more or less what I was proposing assuming we can't speed up the tests16:00
gansogouthamr: I've seen the periodic task running very fast on NetApp CI16:00
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bswartzwe're out of time for today16:00
dustinsTo the other channel!16:00
bswartzthis bug needs an owner and more discussion -- we can revisit it next week if nobody wants to grab it16:00
bswartzthanks all16:00
bswartz#endmeeting16:00
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lhinds#startmeeting security17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct 26 17:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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lhindsroll call folks..17:02
gagehugoo/17:02
lhinds#info roll call17:02
lhindshey gagehugo17:02
lhinds#chair gagehugo17:02
openstackCurrent chairs: gagehugo lhinds17:02
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lhindsderp, sorry17:03
lhindshave to go to two meetings at the same time today17:03
lhindsalso on leave :S17:03
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lhindsseems like its just us gagehugo17:03
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gagehugoI'm actually on vacation today haha17:04
gagehugobut I have a few free hours17:04
lhindsI guess we can call it off for today17:04
lhindsI have nothing major, how about you?17:04
gagehugonope17:04
lhindsgagehugo: one thing, no need to discuss now and have a think about it..17:05
lhindswould like to recommend you as a security core if you're interested?17:05
lhindsyou can give it some thought if you like17:05
gagehugoyeah I'll think about it17:05
lhindsno worries, I tell you what...get back to your holidays and lets reconvene next week!17:06
* fungi is around, sort of, as usual i guess17:06
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gagehugosure17:06
lhindshey fungi17:06
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lhindsI think let's postpone for now, as I just got back in and on leave, so don't have a great deal17:07
lhinds#endmeeting17:07
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fungithanks lhinds!17:07
lhindsthanks gagehugo fungi17:07
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