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| hiro-kobayashi | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 09:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hiro-kobayashi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:01 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #topic RollCall | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
| priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
| GeraldK | o/ | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito cannot join today. | 09:01 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #chair priteau | 09:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi priteau | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Todays agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Blazar#Next_meetings | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | 1. Blazar client 0.3.1 | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | 2. Update team organization diversity tags | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | 3. AOB | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else? | 09:02 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | hi tejaswi | 09:03 |
| tejaswi | hi hiro | 09:03 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #topic 1. Blazar client 0.3.1 | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1. Blazar client 0.3.1 (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:03 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | python-blazarclient was tagged 0.3.1 | 09:04 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | I could not find update on pypi. | 09:04 |
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| priteau | python-blazarclient was never released on PyPI. I suppose there is some setup to do. | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | It would be better to register blazar packages on pypi, isn't it? | 09:06 |
| priteau | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#give-openstack-permission-to-publish-releases | 09:06 |
| priteau | Yes, of course. With the right configuration it can be automated | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I found old blazar packages: https://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=blazar&submit=search | 09:07 |
| priteau | Those are the initial package with version 0 | 09:07 |
| priteau | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#give-openstack-permission-to-publish-releases | 09:08 |
| priteau | It is explained in this document | 09:08 |
| hiro-kobayashi | OK. I'll register this workitem as a bug in Launchpad for keeping track of it. | 09:08 |
| priteau | I don't think we need other packages than the client. Services are not published on PyPI anymore. | 09:09 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: Do you know how other major projects do? | 09:10 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Do they register only client? | 09:10 |
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| priteau | Yes. | 09:11 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Got it. I agree that we should register only library projects. | 09:11 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Then, we should remove old blazar and blazar-nova. And update python-blazarclient. | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I'll describe it in the bug report. | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else about this topic? | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #topic 2. Update team organization diversity tags | 09:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. Update team organization diversity tags (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:13 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | TC Thierry proposed a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522536/ | 09:14 |
| hiro-kobayashi | This patch removes single-vendor tag of Blazar :-) | 09:14 |
| priteau | Great! | 09:15 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | New contributors have pushed patches to blazar repo recently. So I think no -1 on it :-) | 09:16 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: hi | 09:17 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: hi | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | faster than expected ;-) | 09:17 |
| masahito | sorry to be late. | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #chair masahito | 09:17 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: we are talking about the single-vendor tag | 09:18 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Diversity of blazar contributors has been getting better :-) | 09:18 |
| masahito | That's good news. | 09:19 |
| GeraldK | thanks to all who had helped on achieving this | 09:19 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: info: In agenda 1, we agreed we should update python-blazarclient in pypi. And remove old blazar and blazar-nova in pypi. | 09:19 |
| masahito | I hope we could get multi-diversity tag or something like this soon. | 09:20 |
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| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: thanks. | 09:20 |
| masahito | I'll read the meeting log later. | 09:20 |
| masahito | zuulv3 has pypi release job, doesn't it? | 09:21 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: yes, it would | 09:22 |
| priteau | release: | 09:22 |
| priteau | jobs: | 09:22 |
| priteau | - release-openstack-python-without-pypi | 09:22 |
| masahito | If so, we should update zuul job file. If not, I need to update it manually. | 09:22 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: thanks! | 09:22 |
| priteau | I think we just need to remove this release block | 09:23 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Let's add release-openstack-python-without-pypi to python-blazarclient. And manually remove blazar and blazar-nova. | 09:23 |
| priteau | then it should use the default template | 09:23 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: no, the code I pasted is what is in project-config/zuul.d/projects.yaml *now* | 09:23 |
| hiro-kobayashi | s/add/remove/ | 09:23 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: ok | 09:23 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else? | 09:25 |
| priteau | We can also switch blazar, blazar-nova, etc. to use the template release-openstack-server | 09:25 |
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| priteau | it triggers release-openstack-python-without-pypi, but also the announce-release job | 09:26 |
| masahito | yes. It's my task from last meeting. | 09:26 |
| priteau | which, I think, sends an announcement email? | 09:26 |
| masahito | and needs to update openstack/releasemanagement repo. | 09:26 |
| masahito | maybe. | 09:27 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I've register bug report for tracking pypi workitems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1734842 | 09:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1734842 in Blazar "Update pypi settings" [Undecided,New] | 09:28 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: do you know what the announce-release job do? | 09:29 |
| priteau | description: Send a release announcement after publishing a project | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks! | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Let's update zuul settings. | 09:32 |
| priteau | Yes, I verified the code, it sends an email announcement | 09:32 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Where to send email? Other projects do that? | 09:33 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Anyway, let's investigate it and discuss at gerrit. | 09:35 |
| priteau | It is sent to openstack-announce | 09:36 |
| priteau | Or at least used to. I haven | 09:36 |
| priteau | I haven't seen any project announcement since last November | 09:36 |
| priteau | Last project annoucements: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-November/date.html | 09:37 |
| priteau | I will ask on the infra channel | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: thanks! | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Anything else on this topic? | 09:38 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | #topic AOB | 09:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:39 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | Do you have updates or things to share here? | 09:39 |
| masahito | I'm working on multi-freepools bp now. I'll push the spec in this week. | 09:40 |
| masahito | that's from my side. | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: Great! Thank you for taking it over! | 09:41 |
| priteau | From my side, we've upgraded one of our clouds to Ocata, with Blazar mostly running Pike code | 09:41 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Great news! Is it fine?:-) | 09:42 |
| priteau | I am seeing some issues with leases stuck running the start_lease event. It might be caused by our local modifications, so I need to investigate more. | 09:42 |
| masahito | priteau: great and big challenge. | 09:42 |
| priteau | Oh, and I got an answer about the release emails already | 09:42 |
| priteau | They go to a separate list now: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-November/001966.html | 09:43 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Got it. thanks! | 09:44 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I didn't know release-announce@lists.openstack.org | 09:44 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | My updates are reflected to patches on gerrit. So please review them. | 09:46 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Some patches are big, thanks for your patience :-) | 09:47 |
| hiro-kobayashi | If no AOB, we can finish the meeting. | 09:48 |
| masahito | it's okay for me. | 09:49 |
| hiro-kobayashi | OK. Let's finish todays meeting. Thanks all! good bye! | 09:49 |
| masahito | thanks all | 09:49 |
| hiro-kobayashi | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 09:49:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-11-28-09.00.html | 09:49 |
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| GeraldK | bye | 09:50 |
| priteau | bye all | 09:50 |
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| zhurong_phone | #startmeeting murano | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 13:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhurong_phone. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| zhurong_phone | #topic RoleCall | 13:01 |
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| zhurong_phone | o/ | 13:02 |
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| zhurong_phone | #endmeeting | 13:13 |
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| hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 17:02:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 17:02 |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-11-28 Agenda | 17:02 |
| guinm | o/ | 17:03 |
| hogepodge | Pretty light attendance today | 17:05 |
| hogepodge | Guess we'll get started. | 17:05 |
| hogepodge | #topic RefStack work | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RefStack work (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:05 | |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523323/1 Apply pep8 to wsgi | 17:06 |
| hogepodge | This is more of a meta issue. | 17:06 |
| hogepodge | A few months ago there were concerns raised about patch automation. | 17:06 |
| hogepodge | My policy for RefStack, unless there are major objections to it, are that automated patches will be rejected unless they have been approved by the TC. | 17:07 |
| * guinm nods | 17:08 | |
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| hogepodge | If an active team member finds value in the patch and wants to resubmit it, that's a way it can be landed with the original submitter as a co-author on it. | 17:08 |
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| hogepodge | I want to discourage what it regarded as bad behavior by community members, but don't want to discourage contributions that have merit. | 17:09 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507695/ Disable Anonymous Upload | 17:11 |
| hogepodge | This patch is still in flight. Once it lands we can do the database update for marking test results that have been used in validation. | 17:12 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506826/ Subunit API Spec | 17:13 |
| hogepodge | This landed, thanks for mguiney for her work on it and all of the great reviews. | 17:13 |
| hogepodge | Next steps are implementation, so looking forward to that. | 17:13 |
| * guinm is looking forward to getting started | 17:14 | |
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| mguiney | (whoops forgot to wear the correct hat) | 17:14 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521343/ RefStack API Documentation | 17:16 |
| hogepodge | workd being done as time permits. | 17:16 |
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| hogepodge | mguiney: if we're the only people here I think we can just post the agenda links, since we covered all of this in person yesterday | 17:16 |
| hogepodge | mguiney: sound good to you? I'd rather we get back 40 minutes of our day rather than rehash everything | 17:17 |
| hogepodge | #topic refstack-client | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refstack-client (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:18 | |
| mguiney | sounds good | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489421/ Tempest Config Generation | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515494/ Sample Tempest Configuration | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | #topic Python TempestConf | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python TempestConf (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:18 | |
| tosky | just a quick update on python-tempestconf: we have a first job (courtesy of tripleo) | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522679/ Add zuul layout to run a TripleO job | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | hi tosky ! | 17:18 |
| hogepodge | Excellent, I was wondering about that job | 17:18 |
| tosky | (sorry, I joined and got sidetracked) | 17:18 |
| tosky | Martin Kopec is still working on devstack and packstack jobs, but he hit the same issue related to authentication | 17:19 |
| tosky | he sent an email to openstack-dev, hopefully zuul people will answer (if not, we will ping them) | 17:19 |
| tosky | and that's it for now | 17:19 |
| hogepodge | What's the authentication issue? | 17:19 |
| tosky | this is his email with a detailed description: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124906.html | 17:20 |
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| hogepodge | Thank you | 17:22 |
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| hogepodge | If I get a change I'll try to dig deeper too. | 17:23 |
| hogepodge | This is all related to this patch. | 17:23 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513330/ Add initial .zuul file, devstack and packstack job | 17:23 |
| hogepodge | There's also this patch | 17:23 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519714/ Add EC2-API support | 17:23 |
| hogepodge | Any comments on that? | 17:24 |
| hogepodge | It's a WIP | 17:24 |
| tosky | yes, and I guess that the last comment from the author still applies | 17:25 |
| tosky | added a comment | 17:25 |
| tosky | I can try to recheck, it should trigger the tripleo job too now | 17:26 |
| hogepodge | ok | 17:26 |
| hogepodge | Is there anything else we should know about the project? Upcoming goals you have for it? | 17:27 |
| hogepodge | Also, plans for the integration work with refstack-client? | 17:27 |
| tosky | as mentioned last time, we will have a meeting to plan the internal refactoring to make it more extensible | 17:29 |
| tosky | but I guess that it slipped with Chandan on vacation :) | 17:29 |
| tosky | it will probably be resumed next week | 17:29 |
| hogepodge | :-) | 17:29 |
| tosky | even more about the integration with refstack-client, as he was working directly on that | 17:29 |
| hogepodge | great | 17:29 |
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| hogepodge | Moving on | 17:31 |
| hogepodge | #topic Governance | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Governance (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 17:31 | |
| hogepodge | Active discussion here about modifying governance for interop programs | 17:31 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521602/ Clarify testing for interop programs | 17:32 |
| mugsie | if there is any feedback for ^, please ping me whenever suits | 17:32 |
| hogepodge | Patch was updated this morning, and this impacts our future work. | 17:32 |
| hogepodge | hi musgie! | 17:32 |
| mugsie | My major problem is that tempest can, and does break the plugin API | 17:32 |
| mugsie | and I do not think that is something we can allow for a interop test senario | 17:33 |
| mugsie | I think this is one that might drag on a little bit | 17:34 |
| hogepodge | mugsie: can you elaborate on how it breaks the plugin api? | 17:34 |
| hogepodge | I think it's important to resolve these issues, because from a testing standpoint there has to be a reliable and usable way to run interop tests | 17:34 |
| mugsie | they have removed parts of the tempest code base that were marked as "stable" which caused our plugin to stack trace when we tried to load it | 17:34 |
| hogepodge | This impacts refstack and interopwg, plus all of the projects currently in and being considered for interop | 17:35 |
| mugsie | and I do not discount something like that happening again | 17:35 |
| mugsie | of the options in the proposal, #3 is my personal favorite, but #1 is a close second | 17:35 |
| hogepodge | this is a big deal, since we're relying on tempest plugins for the additional projects | 17:36 |
| mugsie | I don't think we should rely on a plugin interface for some tests and not others - if all projects relyed on it as a plugin, it won't be broken, but if it is only smaller "less important" projects, I think it will be | 17:36 |
| hogepodge | I haven't kept up on the mailing list as well as I should, is this being discussed there or in the qa meetings too? | 17:37 |
| mugsie | not as far as I know | 17:37 |
| hogepodge | We'll be sure to add it as an agenda item for the interopwg meeting | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | I think it is just on the patch, and some talk in #openstack-tc | 17:38 |
| mguiney | nothing in the last qa mtg, iirc | 17:38 |
| hogepodge | ok, just wanted to make sure we weren't missing any information on it | 17:38 |
| * luzc2 waive hello | 17:39 | |
| hogepodge | Hi luzc2! | 17:39 |
| * mguiney waves back | 17:39 | |
| hogepodge | I'm not in openstack-tc, but I'll join and follow | 17:39 |
| hogepodge | I've been a proponent of the plugin model, but it's it breaking for projects then it needs to be a addressed. | 17:40 |
| mugsie | it hasn't been discussed in a few days, but it will probably cycle back around | 17:40 |
| tosky | the removal of a stable API from tempest is really rare and should follow the deprecation policies, could this be a real problem in the long term? | 17:40 |
| hogepodge | We're more involved on the implementation side for refstack, so the interopwg meeting tomorrow will generate much more policy discussion that markvoelker and eglute and the rest of the team can weigh in on. | 17:41 |
| tosky | also, the stabilization of tempest is still ongoing (even if almost done), so this may not be a problem anymore in the future | 17:42 |
| tosky | what was the change that was previously stable and then broke? | 17:42 |
| * markvoelker perks up with ears burning | 17:42 | |
| mugsie | tosky: let me dig it up | 17:43 |
| hogepodge | "A wild markvoelker appears!" | 17:43 |
| mugsie | it was also the attitute we got when trying to fix it makes me worried. | 17:43 |
| * markvoelker hasn't had coffee since this morning...so, perhaps "a mild markvoelker appears" is more appropos | 17:43 | |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434304/ | 17:44 |
| tosky | mugsie: but that was 9 months ago | 17:44 |
| tosky | the plan about "what is considered stable" improved over time | 17:44 |
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| mugsie | sure - but the fact it is happened, and I do not trust it won't agian | 17:45 |
| tosky | I do trust it won't again | 17:45 |
| tosky | oh, I even +1 the revert commit - I forgot about that :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436612/ | 17:45 |
| mugsie | there is still no gates to ensure that plugins work, and that is just the most recent issue we have had | 17:46 |
| tosky | well, there is a test that plugins can be loaded at least | 17:46 |
| tosky | thanks to Chandan | 17:46 |
| mugsie | yeah, our tests loaded fine, just barfed when we went to run them | 17:46 |
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| tosky | also, looking at the revert commit, the 3 core who added +2 are still around | 17:47 |
| tosky | not sure about the person who disagreed | 17:47 |
| mugsie | he was quite adamant about not building a tool for non "core" projects | 17:48 |
| tosky | and I disagreed with him in more than one time | 17:48 |
| tosky | that view is not shared by other cores | 17:48 |
| hogepodge | I think the discussion might be going a bit sideways from the scope of refstack. | 17:49 |
| tosky | I understand the concerns, but I consider that event more as one shot, and if tempest want to follow the proper policies for deprecation of stable APIs, something like that can't happen | 17:49 |
| tosky | uh, sorry | 17:49 |
| mugsie | I also would prefer the increased review quality for our interop tests - we do not have experts on the team to review them | 17:49 |
| hogepodge | This is an important issue because there needs to be a policy decision about how the plugin interface is handled, and refstack depends on it. | 17:49 |
| mugsie | we have people who know enough to write a test, but nessisarly understand the impact of a change to an existing test | 17:50 |
| mugsie | (all the reasons we pushed to have the other refstack tests in tempest) | 17:50 |
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| mugsie | hogepodge: what caused your preference for plugin? | 17:51 |
| tosky | not all tests can go in tempest | 17:51 |
| * mugsie may be missing other viewpoints | 17:51 | |
| hogepodge | mugsie: greater freedom for projects and less work for maintaining tests across multiple repositories | 17:51 |
| tosky | even few core projects have tempest plugins (neutron, keystone) | 17:51 |
| mugsie | yeah - I get that. personally I think it *should* be hard for someone to change a refstack test | 17:52 |
| tosky | if you change that with "for someone to break a refstack test", I would be in agreement | 17:52 |
| mguiney | ++ that | 17:53 |
| hogepodge | mugsie: that's the biggest concern, is that maintaining stability of plugin tests is more difficult | 17:53 |
| mugsie | well, if you need to change something in the test, the chances are high you are breaking it :) | 17:53 |
| mguiney | not super sure about that one, tbh | 17:53 |
| hogepodge | sometimes fixing it to be correct for the domain space | 17:54 |
| mguiney | ^ | 17:54 |
| mugsie | hogepodge: I will say it now, in plugin tests, with no oversight from people who have indepth knowledge of tempest will find it very hard to be stable | 17:54 |
| hogepodge | (that was a lot of the initial defcore work... modifying tempest tests to not assume admin and devstackisms) | 17:54 |
| mugsie | what is the issue with a separate repo with all refstack tests? | 17:54 |
| tosky | the point is that if more than the core projects are covered by interoperability tests, and even for core projects, there is no way to not use plugins | 17:54 |
| tosky | so the question is how to prevent breakages, hence my previous statement | 17:55 |
| tosky | not saying that it's easy | 17:55 |
| luzc2 | tosky main issue is maintainance | 17:55 |
| hogepodge | mugsie: there is an assumption of maturity for projects and commitment to stability, but your point is taken | 17:55 |
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| luzc2 | I guess the idea is also to increase project awareness of interop, so the reviewers of the projects oppose to change the behavior unless needed | 17:55 |
| mugsie | tosky: well, there is a way to avoid plugins - go to #1 option in the proposal | 17:56 |
| tosky | luzc2: and a separate repository (a separate plugin), as mugsie proposed, is exactly increase maintainance, because there is a potential of duplicated test | 17:56 |
| luzc2 | and I will expect as experts on their own project they can judge if a behavior is correctly tested or not | 17:56 |
| tosky | and not enough reviewers | 17:56 |
| hogepodge | interopwg (like many other projects) is already understaffed, so anything to make it easier for current and future participants to maintain is welcome | 17:56 |
| tosky | mugsie: also for non-core projects? That's in conflict with the current focus of tempest | 17:56 |
| mugsie | tosky: what is a core project btw? | 17:56 |
| mugsie | (like the list of projects) | 17:56 |
| hogepodge | Adding a trademark program for a project is a recognition that it's more than just a "non core" project, and that it's important to the community. | 17:57 |
| tosky | mugsie: the (sinister?) six: neutron, nova, keystone, glance, cinder, swift | 17:57 |
| mugsie | ah, not heat? | 17:57 |
| tosky | no | 17:57 |
| hogepodge | Three minutes left in the meeting, just as a time check. | 17:57 |
| mugsie | hogepodge: ++ | 17:57 |
| tosky | all the tests for all other projects are outside tempest (and even some tests for the six) | 17:57 |
| hogepodge | This was the last agenda item, but is there anything else related that folks wanted to bring up? | 17:58 |
| hogepodge | To be continued at InteropWG meeting tomorrow, I believe at 1600 UTC | 17:59 |
| hogepodge | #openstack-meeting-3 | 17:59 |
| hogepodge | Thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| * mugsie notes the time | 17:59 | |
| * mguiney nods | 17:59 | |
| mguiney | have good day yall | 18:00 |
| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 18:00:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-11-28-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-11-28-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2017/refstack.2017-11-28-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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