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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 11 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Welcome to the next-to-last scheduler meeting of 2017! | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Let's get started | 14:01 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and Reviews | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| edleafe | jaypipes: status on n-r-p? | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: bottom of stack is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517119/ | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I am going to need to change a number of things on that | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #link nested resource provider series starts with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517119/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: such as... ? | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: and then review the remainder of that series (mostly from alex_xu, efried_cya_jan and ttsiouts) | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: such as removing the giant block of func tests that are unrelated that were added in there. | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | ok | 14:04 |
| edleafe | On the alternate hosts front, good progress last week, thanks to mriedem spending a lot of time reviewing the patches | 14:04 |
| mriedem | that's on the docket again today | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Several early ones in the series have merged, and there are 4 more to go | 14:05 |
| edleafe | I'll push an update to fix the merge conflict on them in a bit | 14:06 |
| mriedem | bottom 2 should be ok to review right? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | they all should be ok to review | 14:06 |
| mriedem | they aren't in merge conflict i mean | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but i can wait for a rebase | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I can update the merge conflict along with any fixes you find | 14:07 |
| edleafe | ok, either way | 14:07 |
| edleafe | cdent: since efried_cya_jan is gone, are you picking up the granular resource request series? | 14:07 |
| cdent | edleafe: that was secondary to the providertree related stuff, so it really depends on how much headway I make on any of that | 14:08 |
| edleafe | ok, sounds good | 14:08 |
| cdent | It would be good if we can figure out what features we’re actually targetting, we have a lot in flow | 14:08 |
| edleafe | how's the provider tree stuff looking | 14:08 |
| cdent | all of which has impact on the queries behind /allocation_candidates | 14:08 |
| cdent | traits, granular queries, n-r-p, etc | 14:09 |
| edleafe | IIRC, traits and n-r-p were the priorities | 14:09 |
| cdent | I haven’t done anything other than talk with eric on friday about the provider tree stuff, enough now to know what it is actualy intending to do (which wasn’t clear to me before). I intend to write that summation down somewhere where other people can find it. | 14:10 |
| cdent | Right, but traits and n-r-p kind of require at least some aspcts of provider tree and granular resources | 14:10 |
| edleafe | understood. Not a straight line path through them | 14:11 |
| cdent | #action cdent write down a summation of conversatin with eric about provider summaries | 14:11 |
| edleafe | once the alternate host stuff is done, I should be able to help out with that | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | Anyone have anything else to discuss for specs/reviews? | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | nope | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | #topic Bugs | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:15 | |
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| edleafe | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:15 |
| edleafe | One new bug this week | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1736101 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1736101 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova placement resource_providers DBDuplicateEntry when moving host between cells" [Undecided,New] | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | well, | 14:16 |
| edleafe | anything else bug-wise to report? | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | moving computes between cells isn't something we really plan for, | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | so in that bug i'd say you need to delete the compute node record and anything related to it in placement before "moving" it to another cell | 14:17 |
| mriedem | we don't have any direct way to delete compute node records thoguh | 14:17 |
| mriedem | *though | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | yeah, definitely didn't sound like a high priority | 14:18 |
| edleafe | ok, moving on | 14:18 |
| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:18 | |
| edleafe | Anything on your mind? | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Don't be scared; this is a safe space! | 14:19 |
| cdent | I would like to see my two pending microversion merge soon as I’d prefer to fight with myself over microversion conflicts only one more time | 14:19 |
| cdent | #link limit allocation cand: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513526/ | 14:20 |
| cdent | #link cache headers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513526/ | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i think i can probably get through cache headers soonish | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i haven't looked at the limits one at all yet | 14:20 |
| cdent | yay!, thanks. | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: yeah, I can do reviews on both those | 14:21 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:22 |
| edleafe | takashin: hi | 14:22 |
| takashin | edleafe: Hi | 14:22 |
| edleafe | takashin: did you have something to discuss? | 14:22 |
| takashin | No. | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | Ah, ok, just checking | 14:23 |
| edleafe | So I think we're done? | 14:23 |
| takashin | Yes. | 14:24 |
| efried_cya_jan | Hey, I can talk about granular if you like. | 14:24 |
| edleafe | No, you're not supposed to be here | 14:24 |
| efried_cya_jan | I'm here for a minute or two. | 14:24 |
| edleafe | efried_cya_jan doesn't know how to do vacation right | 14:24 |
| efried_cya_jan | Just to mention that granular is also waiting on traits affordance in GET /allocation_candidates | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | efried_cya_jan: ok, thanks. Now go back to your real life! :) | 14:26 |
| * efried_cya_jan waves | 14:26 | |
| cdent | so yeah, quite a tree of dependencies to untangle | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | Well, then, let's go out there and start untangling! | 14:27 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 14:27:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-11-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-11-14.00.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2017/nova_scheduler.2017-12-11-14.00.log.html | 14:28 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 11 20:01:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:02 |
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| ssathaye | Hello - after a long time | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | Hi ssathaye | 20:09 |
| ssathaye | Hi Dave | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | how's it going with your journey into Barbican? | 20:09 |
| ssathaye | Slow....very slow! | 20:09 |
| ssathaye | I am hoping to do more over the holidays | 20:09 |
| ssathaye | How was the tutorial at the Summit? All went well? | 20:10 |
| cleong | hi dave-mccowan is there still a meeting today or is it tomorrow? | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | Yes. Maybe too much material... I don't think anyone got through all 10 exercises, but it was well attended. | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | i cleong yes... we're meeting now. | 20:11 |
| cleong | ok thanks | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | so far it's ssathaye, you, and me. | 20:11 |
| ssathaye | thx will look it up | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | cleong is there anything you wanted to cover? | 20:11 |
| cleong | that's why i asked :) | 20:12 |
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| cleong | i'm completely new to barbican but interested in the project due to work | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | cleong welcome! | 20:13 |
| cleong | i've read the docs and reviewing the api reference | 20:13 |
| cleong | thank you | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | feel free to post anytime in the openstack-barbican channel if you need any help getting started. | 20:13 |
| ssathaye | hello cleong | 20:13 |
| ssathaye | I am a complete nube as well | 20:14 |
| ssathaye | Would love to collab if possible | 20:14 |
| cleong | hi ssathaye | 20:14 |
| cleong | any recommendations for starting points? | 20:14 |
| dave-mccowan | our weekly meetings have been quiet lately; i don't think it is a good time for most of our developers. | 20:15 |
| cleong | ahh ok | 20:15 |
| ssathaye | dave-mccowan can answer that one better | 20:15 |
| cleong | perfect time for newbies :) | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | we can use the time to talk about getting started. :-) | 20:16 |
| cleong | excellent | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | cleong do you already have openstack running, and you're looking to add barbican? or are you starting from scratch? | 20:16 |
| cleong | i have openstack running just need to add the barbican service | 20:17 |
| cleong | and then i guess i need to pull down the latest source code? | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | what installer or distribution are you using? | 20:17 |
| cleong | i have two sort of | 20:18 |
| cleong | i have red hat's distro running | 20:18 |
| cleong | and will have oracle's next upcoming release | 20:18 |
| cleong | i work for oracle | 20:19 |
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| dave-mccowan | are you configuring and installing by hand, or using puppet or something else? | 20:19 |
| cleong | hmmm ansible with oracle | 20:20 |
| cleong | and what ever tripleo uses | 20:20 |
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| cleong | after i get barbican running, what do you recommend? | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | cleong either start working with the CLI to store and retrieve secrets. or configure nova/cinder/glance to work with barbican. depending on which you want to do. | 20:23 |
| cleong | ahhh ok | 20:24 |
| dave-mccowan | we have some triple-o devs who also work on barbican. they'll be able to tell you what you need to add to your config files to get barbican running. look for alee in the openstack-barbican channel. | 20:24 |
| cleong | wonderful ty | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | also, please feel free to help out reviewing our open patches. we're a little bit behind reviewing and merging contributions. any help there would be appreciated. | 20:26 |
| cleong | barbican is a new service we're adding so i thought i'd jump into the project itself to learn more about it | 20:26 |
| cleong | ok i will take a look at those to see where i can help out | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | here are some slides with info about getting started: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1x2dhS5pGzi-xl5tlMrnre2-vSUk3oWhOrvhptQHFJ7c/edit?usp=sharing | 20:28 |
| cleong | great ty | 20:29 |
| cleong | were there any videos from the last summitt? | 20:30 |
| cleong | i think all projects should have a 'newbie' meeting once year because regular meetings can be quite intimidating to join for newbs | 20:32 |
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| cleong | slides are great btw | 20:33 |
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| ssathaye | Slides are indeed great dave-mccowan - I have saved them as well. | 20:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | ok. i don't have anything else on the agenda today. | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks for coming! | 20:35 |
| cleong | thanks | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | keep us up to date on your progress! | 20:35 |
| cleong | will do dave-mccowan | 20:36 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 20:36:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-12-11-20.01.html | 20:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-12-11-20.01.txt | 20:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2017/barbican.2017-12-11-20.01.log.html | 20:36 |
| ssathaye | great...thanks dave-mccowan cleong | 20:36 |
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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 11 21:06:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:06 |
| leong | anyone here in the room for Product team meeting? | 21:07 |
| MeganR | Hi Leong | 21:07 |
| leong | hi MeganR | 21:07 |
| MeganR | I hope you are doing well - sorry I have been a bit out of the loop, and unfortunately, I won't be around for the next few weeks | 21:08 |
| leong | ok MeganR | 21:08 |
| leong | was discussing with team on what's future plan for Product team | 21:08 |
| leong | Arkady is trying to drive involvement from SIG and TC | 21:09 |
| MeganR | I read through the notes from last week, and just responded to Rocky's Doodle poll. | 21:09 |
| leong | also we are wondering about "should we continue this product team" if there is lag of interest from community | 21:09 |
| MeganR | That is unfortunate, but I certainly understand. I think most of us have had some type of job scope change. I am traveling more, and my time just seems more and more limited. | 21:11 |
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| MeganR | I'm traveling next week, and won't be available at all. | 21:11 |
| leong | me too.. | 21:12 |
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| leong | MeganR: as nobody is here after 20mins past the hour.. i will call off this meeting | 21:22 |
| leong | #info not enough quorum for meeting | 21:22 |
| MeganR | that works, thank you | 21:22 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 21:22:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-11-21.06.html | 21:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-11-21.06.txt | 21:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2017/product_working_group.2017-12-11-21.06.log.html | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | hello | 22:00 |
| dmsimard | hello zuul \o/ | 22:00 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 11 22:01:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:01 |
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| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:01 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-04-22.02.html | 22:02 |
| jeblair | though i think that agenda is stale | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 22:02 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 22:02 |
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| jeblair | jlk: had a chance to ping sigmavirus24 yet? | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | #topic Roadmap | 22:03 |
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| jeblair | maybe let's go over progress on v3.0 things real quick...? | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | i think we're close to finishing up the dashboard patches | 22:04 |
| jeblair | just need to move the keys in place, and probably clean up the javascript install story. i think there are patches for both of those in flight (but both need to be updated) | 22:05 |
| clarkb | dashboard seems to be working well | 22:05 |
| mrhillsman | the dashboard is changing? | 22:05 |
| jeblair | Shrews: you pushed up a finger multiplexor i believe... thanks! | 22:05 |
| Shrews | jeblair: yes. it works, but i've been asked to add the commandsocket stuff to it (that merged for the other daemons recently) | 22:06 |
| Shrews | and by "works" i mean it passed pep8! (and there may be a unit test in there somewhere) | 22:06 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: not much more (assuming you've been running it for a bit -- we only hooked it up in openstack-infra late last week); let me look up changes | 22:06 |
| dmsimard | mrhillsman: the new dashboard landed last week: http://zuulv3.openstack.org | 22:07 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 22:07 |
| fungi | this one could probably use some more eyes/discussion, since it's relatively key to the base job part of our stdlib | 22:07 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/526148 Use zuul-base-jobs as a config repo | 22:07 |
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| jeblair | mrhillsman: https://review.openstack.org/504807 https://review.openstack.org/504267 need to land to finish moving everything to zuul-web | 22:08 |
| fungi | i also have the job definitions proposed, but we can't land them until we decide to either have zuul ignore them or shadow our main config repo | 22:08 |
| jeblair | i guess those aren't strictly 'dashboard' as much as 'things served over http'. i was kind of lumping them together. | 22:08 |
| mrhillsman | got it | 22:08 |
| dmsimard | fungi: I'll admit I'm still a bit confused with that change | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | we also really should have something like https://review.openstack.org/487538 if we can -- because installing the dashboard javascript reqs is not fun now. | 22:09 |
| jeblair | fungi: good point, let's talk about that | 22:09 |
| fungi | i assume i managed to convey in the patch the implementation we discussed in #zuul last wek | 22:10 |
| jeblair | the goal is to have a base job that a typical user installing zuul can use right out of the box, so that zuul-jobs works for them. or, failing that, at least something that they can copy into their own repo and build from. | 22:10 |
| fungi | week | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | our (openstack-infra) needs are, at the moment at least, more complicated than what we will be able to handle in zuul-base-jobs. so we won't be able to use what we write there directly. | 22:11 |
| fungi | but yeah, a bit of a catch-22 in that if we want to host a repo containing a base job we don't use, we ned to convince zuul it's okay for us to do so | 22:12 |
| dmsimard | Are base jobs scoped per tenant so we could avoid that catch 22 by using another tenant perhaps ? | 22:12 |
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| dmsimard | Othersise zuul-base-jobs can get "polluted" by the configuration from other projects | 22:13 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: yes, though some things that prevent us from using that job directly (our log publishing system, for example) may still apply | 22:13 |
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| fungi | well, we could also just tell zuul to ignore any configuration it finds in that repo, which was an alternative we also discussed | 22:13 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: i think that's an option worth exploring -- can we set up another tenant to use that as a real base job and therefore get some meaningful testing. | 22:14 |
| dmsimard | So it's tenant scoped ? | 22:15 |
| fungi | that could be an interesting way to exercise it | 22:15 |
| * mordred waves, then rolls over and goes back to muttering - it sure everyone here is making awesome suggestions and decisions | 22:15 | |
| jeblair | i think doing that is a good idea, but i think it'll require going through our base jobs roles carefully. i think we can do that as a follow-on to the approach fungi is starting. | 22:15 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: yes | 22:15 |
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| fungi | mordred: moar cold meds | 22:15 |
| Shrews | mordred: go be sick | 22:15 |
| mordred | Shrews: being sick is boring | 22:16 |
| jeblair | also, i think we'd need another config-project repo to hold the pipeline configs for that tenant :) | 22:16 |
| dmsimard | so before v3 was a thing | 22:17 |
| jeblair | i mean, that's okay, git repos are free | 22:17 |
| dmsimard | we had a project-config-example or something like that | 22:17 |
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| fungi | it wasn't really tested at all from what i recall | 22:17 |
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| jeblair | dmsimard: right; slightly different purpose, in that was an example of something that satisfied an interface expected by the puppet-openstackci module, but similarly intended to give folks a starting place. | 22:17 |
| dmsimard | Should we have something that represents that in spirit with v3 ? Including pipeline, base jobs, etc. | 22:18 |
| dmsimard | yeah.. | 22:18 |
| fungi | dmsimard: more directly, i'm attempting to resolve the fact that the zuul user guide says our stdlib includes a base job | 22:18 |
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| fungi | we want to consider this an available component of the standard library of jobs | 22:19 |
| dmsimard | ok, I'm not against the approach we're currently taking (pushing that through our current tenant) to get things off the ground but it's probably a good idea to isolate it completely within it's own tenant eventually | 22:19 |
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| mrhillsman | if still moving towards components living outside of openstackci proper why would it not live there and then be pulled back in or mirrored into openstackci | 22:20 |
| dmsimard | I was confused about the use case but that's clear now | 22:20 |
| fungi | implementation for it had been punted to later, but it seems like something we want nailed down before 3.0.0 | 22:20 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: we should probably start with docs there. i like the idea of providing pipelines to users so they don't have to build them from scratch, though they do depend on things like connection names, and some local behavioral choices (what things to report, etc). so i think figuring out how to do that will take some time. | 22:20 |
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| dmsimard | jeblair: docs.. ? What docs ? :/ | 22:22 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 22:22 |
| dmsimard | not sarcastic, even re-reading backlog I'm not understanding what it refers to | 22:22 |
| mrhillsman | docs for how to use the base jobs? | 22:23 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: yeah -- i think zuul-base-jobs will continue to live beside zuul-jobs (wherever that is). there's sort of two things at play here -- making sure it's able to achive our goal of having a default base job, and also, how it's tested. that second issue arises regardless of where it's hosted. | 22:23 |
| fungi | we've said in the past that zuul-jobs (and by extension zuul-base-jobs) is part of zuul, just separated into its own repo for convenince | 22:23 |
| fungi | convenience | 22:24 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: i'm thinking particularly the quickstart docs leifmadsen is working on. the docs we'd expect a new user deploying zuul to read. | 22:24 |
| jeblair | these docs are on the v3.0 blocker list | 22:24 |
| dmsimard | jeblair: oh, those docs, okay. | 22:24 |
| jeblair | so i expect them to say something like "you need a base job. here's what one looks like. you can write your own, or use zuul-base-jobs." | 22:25 |
| dmsimard | so, tl;dr move foward with zuul-base-jobs through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526148/ and figure out the tenant bits later ? | 22:25 |
| fungi | as long as the change looks correct, sounds good to me | 22:25 |
| jeblair | yeah, that's the approach i'd suggest | 22:26 |
| fungi | as i said, i already have pending changes for content to go into the repo so would like to be able to actually start populating it | 22:26 |
| pabelanger | +1 | 22:26 |
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| mrhillsman | not sure if we can help but maybe pulling these things into the openlab setup for testing can help? | 22:27 |
| mrhillsman | we are still in the phase where a little destruction will have minor impact | 22:27 |
| dmsimard | fungi: I +W'd with notes summarizing and link to meeting logs | 22:27 |
| fungi | thanks dmsimard! | 22:27 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: yeah -- when fungi proposes his changes, we can look and see how different openlab's base job is from this -- maybe you can use it directly, or at least, closer than we are | 22:28 |
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| mrhillsman | ++ | 22:28 |
| fungi | well, they're already proposed | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | even better | 22:29 |
| fungi | zuul is merely rejecting them at the moment because of the aforementioned config repo conundrum ;) | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | other things on the 3.0 list i can think of off the top of my head: fbo has a change in progress to implement the rest of the git driver | 22:29 |
| jeblair | anything else i'm forgetting? | 22:30 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/526140 Add generic base and base-test jobs/playbooks | 22:30 |
| jeblair | oh -- nodepool quota | 22:30 |
| fungi | mrhillsman: ^ | 22:30 |
| fungi | if you're curious | 22:30 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 22:30 |
| jeblair | i've +2d the start of tobiash's quota stack -- if other folks can review that we can make headway there | 22:30 |
| jeblair | that starts at | 22:31 |
| jeblair | #link nodepool quota https://review.openstack.org/503838 | 22:31 |
| mrhillsman | will send to the peeps keeping the lights on tonight for trying out and providing feedback | 22:31 |
| Shrews | i will look tomorrow | 22:31 |
| jeblair | Shrews: thanks! | 22:31 |
| clarkb | I've got a nodepool bugfix stack that I could use help with on sorting out testing for | 22:31 |
| clarkb | though tobiash seemed stumped based on review comments | 22:32 |
| Shrews | clarkb: i can try to help tomorrow | 22:33 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, i'll try to take a look, though may be later in the week | 22:33 |
| clarkb | tyty | 22:33 |
| jeblair | Shrews has dibs :) | 22:33 |
| dmsimard | speaking of nodepool, it would benefit from a release of shade (ping mordred) with http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/shade/commit/?id=cd6da8a04d994ed3e4acb27e9b18c122f8875100 included | 22:33 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: am I the sick baby? are you carrying me right now? is that why I feel floaty? | 22:33 |
| dmsimard | we found that shade was doing a ton of API requests on clouds with floating IPs | 22:33 |
| Shrews | clarkb: jeblair: but i want to get the finger gateway done first since i'm off next week for 2 weeks | 22:33 |
| clarkb | Shrews: thats fine | 22:33 |
| jeblair | Shrews: oh good to know, i will prioritize appropriately :) | 22:34 |
| pabelanger | I know we talked about it before, but at what point are we merging feature/zuulv3 of nodepool back to master? | 22:34 |
| jeblair | vacation-driven development | 22:34 |
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| pabelanger | Would be helpful if this week and we can stand up new nodepool-builder servers as python3 from master | 22:34 |
| mordred | dmsimard: yah - I was just cahtting with SamYaple about that - I think we're ready for one, but I'm a little loopy. maybe I'll be more lucid tomorrow (there's a patch I think we may want to revert before releasing) | 22:34 |
| dmsimard | mordred: yup, that's fine, get some rest :) | 22:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: work is happening in this stack: https://review.openstack.org/523951 | 22:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: if you can review that, it'd be swell | 22:35 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: will do! | 22:35 |
| jeblair | i think we're making really good progress and i think releasing before the dublin PTG is realistic. | 22:36 |
| jeblair | maybe even significantly before (i hope) | 22:36 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | anything else folks want to bring up? | 22:37 |
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| jeblair | (i'm still working on the hosting stuff -- i think infra will vote on the spec https://review.openstack.org/524024 this week) | 22:38 |
| dmsimard | I've been meaning to check if the patch to keep ara up to date actually worked, /me looks | 22:38 |
| mrhillsman | i've dropped a comment on that jeblair | 22:38 |
| Shrews | after next monday, the following 2 mondays are holidays, so might need to rethink those zuul meetings | 22:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: I started back on the javascript tooling patch over the weekend, but it's not ready yet and I obviously didn't make any progress on it today - I don't think it's far off though | 22:39 |
| mrhillsman | definitely available to continue pushing that forward and helping get it off the ground | 22:39 |
| fungi | perhaps more appropriate for the infra meeting tomorrow, but it's probably time to delete the old zuul.o.o server? should we just cname the name to the current server? do we still want to rebuild zuulv3.o.o at some point? before or after 3.0.0 gets tagged? | 22:39 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: cool, thanks -- i'll reply there | 22:39 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: awesome | 22:39 |
| mrhillsman | i've talked with some board members and foundation staff | 22:39 |
| jeblair | mordred: er ^ you're awesome too | 22:40 |
| dmsimard | Oh, the patch to keep ARA up to date hasn't landed yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516740/ because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524023/ hadn't landed. I just approved 524023. | 22:40 |
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| mrhillsman | resources (physical/people/etc) and hands-on helping when decisions are made/voted on | 22:41 |
| mrhillsman | i mean i am ready to start pushing for and getting the former and helping with the work | 22:41 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: oh nice catch | 22:42 |
| clarkb | all that testing stuff was a mess that I think is sorted out now | 22:42 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: i'm supportive of moving our ci service to a neutral brand. i think zuul itself should still be an independent project though that's distinct from the foundation efforts to run it for various purposes. much in the same way that the association with openstack has been confusing for folks, i don't think we want to confuse the product with a running instance of it. but obviously a lot of us are interested in both and ... | 22:42 |
| jeblair | ... there would be a lot of overlap. | 22:43 |
| mrhillsman | oh, i mean zuul itself, not our ci | 22:44 |
| mrhillsman | and i could be misassociating things | 22:44 |
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| pabelanger | mrhillsman: the link in your comment (thenewstack) has the wrong URL for zuul :( | 22:44 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: oh i read "our ci infrastructure has been suggested as a potential project" as the service we run | 22:44 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 22:44 |
| mrhillsman | i could be misunderstanding what zuul is then | 22:45 |
| mrhillsman | but for reasons like thenewstack pointing to wrong URL | 22:45 |
| fungi | yeah, the foundation identified ci/cd tools as a potential new strategic focus area | 22:45 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: no i think you've got it right. it's a piece of software. i think i just misunderstood your comment | 22:45 |
| fungi | but not necessarily == the team running the services | 22:45 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok cool | 22:46 |
| clarkb | zuul is a ci/cd tool. Openstack infra is a set of hosted tools for perfoming CI/CD and general software development | 22:46 |
| clarkb | we've talked about neutral branding for the set of hosted tools for software development | 22:46 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 22:46 |
| mrhillsman | then yeah, i'm speaking strictly of zuul | 22:46 |
| fungi | which is the reason for some of my confusing reactions in board/tc meetings when the suggestion kept coming up that the "infra team" would be a new stratgic focus area | 22:47 |
| mrhillsman | and i think it does make sense if tools other than zuul are going to be pushed to be used by the world, same would be beneficial | 22:47 |
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| jeblair | so then iiuc, your suggestion is 2 things: 1) rename zuul (the software) to openci; 2) become a top-level foundation project. | 22:47 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, in light of what clark just explained | 22:48 |
| mrhillsman | which should probably be explained at the board level | 22:48 |
| fungi | i did my best to raise the distinction in the last couple of in-person meetings | 22:49 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i was not clear fungi | 22:49 |
| mrhillsman | it sounded like, openstack infra is a team that does a bunch of stuff | 22:49 |
| mrhillsman | that is specific to openstack | 22:50 |
| fungi | though also ended up having to reexplain individually to several board members during breaks as wll | 22:50 |
| fungi | we run software, and we develop software, and the two are fairly distinct roles | 22:50 |
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| mrhillsman | and to make what you all are talking about work, we would have to remove the openstack specific pieces | 22:50 |
| fungi | though with lots of overlap | 22:50 |
| mrhillsman | got it | 22:50 |
| clarkb | mrhillsman: sort of, openstack has always been the focus but we've also hosted non openstack things for as long as I have been involved. | 22:50 |
| clarkb | The idea behind neutral branding is reduce confusion over what openstack is by making that really specific and in the process be more friendly for projects other than openstack that want to use the hosted services | 22:51 |
| mrhillsman | so it sounds like top-level would be a bigger thing than a single project, umbrella actually | 22:51 |
| jeblair | i think we will explore zuul (or whatever it's called) becoming a top-level project -- the work i'm doing to support hosting more projects is in part in service of that, and i'm anticipating what we do will be compatible with that. the foundation has some other pilot projects going now, but i expect us to start talking once the dust settles. | 22:51 |
| clarkb | (specifically of the hosted things) | 22:51 |
| mrhillsman | with pieces underneath, i.e. openci(zuul) for ci/cd | 22:51 |
| mrhillsman | make sense jeblair | 22:51 |
| fungi | right, i also pushed back on us being a guinea pig for this | 22:51 |
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| fungi | because our situation is confusing and tightly comingled with the openstack community for the moment | 22:52 |
| mrhillsman | quite glad we talked this out at least for me, because i was thoroughly confused :) | 22:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think that's a good choice -- we're a little unusual, and besides, we aren't growing the community by doing an "internal reorganization" :) | 22:52 |
| fungi | the other focus areas are distinctly new things which don't have a lot of openstack baggage to sort out | 22:53 |
| fungi | (kata containers, and whatever the edge community will call itself) | 22:54 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: i don't think the openstack foundation needs a project per focus area -- i think it should be okay to have multiple container projects (not just kata), and multiple ci projects | 22:54 |
| fungi | yep | 22:54 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 22:54 |
| fungi | much in the same way that openstack has lots of projects all managed by different teams | 22:54 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i was just confused | 22:54 |
| jeblair | mrhillsman: so i think something where openlab, and zuul, and neutrally-branded-openstack-infra are all projects as part of the ci effort and best buddies would be great :) | 22:54 |
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| mrhillsman | it would be like, here are all the th^ | 22:55 |
| mrhillsman | xci too :) | 22:55 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:55 |
| mrhillsman | fatih is very interested in working together | 22:55 |
| mrhillsman | and i believe folks doing the same for onap and cncf | 22:55 |
| mrhillsman | from what he has told me | 22:55 |
| jeblair | as for the name -- i'm open to renaming, though we do have some recognition under the name zuul, so i wouldn't want to do it lightly. | 22:56 |
| mrhillsman | totally makes sense | 22:56 |
| clarkb | also I don't think renaming will fix things | 22:56 |
| jlk | oh wait, meeting still going. | 22:56 |
| jlk | when there is a moment, I have an update on github3.py | 22:56 |
| clarkb | we've renamed lots of openstack projects over the years and renames almost always come with more confusion ime | 22:56 |
| fungi | jlk: the minute is now | 22:56 |
| fungi | or at least some time in the next 3 | 22:56 |
| clarkb | we still use q-* in devstack for example and that confuses everyone :) | 22:56 |
| mrhillsman | i just thought it really sad the point to netflix zuul | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | We _could_ reach out again to the netflix engineers and see if they'd work with us on disambiguation. | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i think once we start to establish our own presence, things will start to get better. | 22:57 |
| mrhillsman | sorry jlk | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | The silence was deafening the last time I tried. | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i'd like us to just be more interesting than all the other zuuls :) | 22:57 |
| jeblair | jlk: yes! what have you learned? :) | 22:57 |
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| mrhillsman | SpamapS probably because - https://www.spinnaker.io/ | 22:58 |
| jlk | jeblair: I learned that the upstream maintainer is swamped, and that he's put out cries for help (which I somehow missed). The project is in "shambles" according to Ian. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | jlk: ouch | 22:58 |
| SpamapS | mrhillsman: because spinnaker uses zuul (does it?) or because they're busy on that and not their zuul? | 22:58 |
| jlk | "Until some people step up to help out, I think the project's basically stalled" | 22:58 |
| jlk | so, I've offered to spend time on it, essentially as much as it takes. | 22:58 |
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| jlk | I'm waiting to hear a response, but it could mean that I get added as a maintainer of the project and work toward a release. | 22:58 |
| jeblair | i mean, ian's definition of shambles is what other folks might call "reliable and production ready", so that's nice i guess? | 22:59 |
| mrhillsman | probably a combination of all that...it was mentioned to me and i see the netflix oss logo at the bottom | 22:59 |
| mrhillsman | that would be nice jlk | 22:59 |
| jlk | jeblair: indeed! | 22:59 |
| jlk | anyway, hopefully I'll get a response and some guidelines so that I can start making it less of shambles. | 22:59 |
| jeblair | jlk: thanks for taking that on! | 22:59 |
| jlk | maybe even sneak out a point release to address our concern. | 22:59 |
| jeblair | we're at time | 23:00 |
| jlk | It may also signal the need to accelerate our plans to move off of github3.py and just use requests directly. | 23:00 |
| jlk | which I could also poke at. | 23:00 |
| mrhillsman | thx for the meeting | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 23:00:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-11-22.01.html | 23:00 |
| mrhillsman | going back to #zuul :) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-11-22.01.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2017/zuul.2017-12-11-22.01.log.html | 23:00 |
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