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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 15:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | Hi | 15:00 |
| Yogi1 | Hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | courtesy ping: tbarron toabctl markstur vponomaryov cknight | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I know tbarron is traveling for business and can't make today's meeting | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | Queens-2 was tagged last week | 15:01 |
| bswartz | There were some gate issues but the tags all went out by Friday | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | also a few important things missed the milestone, but did merge last week | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | There's not much on the agenda today, but I have a few small things I wanted to bring up before we go over bugs | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #topic Rocky and beyond | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | Not sure if you all have seen this: | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125473.html | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | It seems likely that OpenStack will be shifting from 6 month cycles to 12 month cycles for releases | 15:04 |
| dustins | Whoa | 15:04 |
| bswartz | That includes things like PTL terms, and official events like PTGs/Summits | 15:04 |
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| ganso | holy ****! | 15:05 |
| bswartz | it's no official yet (AFAIK), but my guess is that this will happen after they hammer out the details | 15:05 |
| clarkb | bswartz: yes it is just a proposal being discussed right now | 15:05 |
| vkmc | :o | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | needs clarification that this is for coordinated release only | 15:05 |
| bswartz | Anyways, if you have opinions, use the ML to post them | 15:06 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: well like I said, it affects PTL terms, and official events for the most part | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | Individual projects could still run themselves on a 6 month release cycle or do something else if they wish | 15:07 |
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| gouthamr | ttx did say projects would be encouraged to release as often as they want | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 15:07 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (;-_-)ノ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | as long as they line up with the official coordinated release in some way | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | Anyways it's something for us to discuss after the decision gets made | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I've always dreamed of having faster releases -- this might give us the opportunity to do it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | But we'll do what's right for the project | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: faster than 6 months? | 15:09 |
| zhongjun | As least, it looks like something will be changed | 15:09 |
| ganso | zhongjun: +1 some change is needed | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2017-November/000166.html | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | I think something is going to change. Will be interesting to see what? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | one other thing I wanted to covery quickly | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #topic meetings during the holiday season | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetings during the holiday season (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
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| bswartz | our next scheduled meeting is Dec 21 | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I'll be working that day, but I'm not sure how many of you will be | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | The following meeting is Dec 28, and I'll be on PTO that week, but I could hold the meeting if there was enough demand | 15:12 |
| dustins | I know I will be here on the 21st, but I won't be in another Manila meeting until 11 Jan | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | The challenge is that feature freeze is coming fast, and we don't want to miss too many chances to discuss issues with important new features | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | So the weeks of R-10, R-9, and R-8 are all likely to conflict with someone's holidays | 15:14 |
| bswartz | And R-7 is feature proposal freeze | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Should we plan on canceling any meetings? If so which? | 15:15 |
| * bswartz notes the silence in the room | 15:16 | |
| markstur | at least cancel Dec 28 I'd think | 15:16 |
| bswartz | Okay well I'd probably like to cancel the Dec 28 one just because I won't be in the office that week | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the other 2 -- we'll see if any topic get proposed | 15:16 |
| dustins | Yeah, can the 28th and hold the one January 4th | 15:16 |
| bswartz | if there are no topics or we can't achieve quorum, the meetings will probably be very short or not happen at all (if I cancel them I'll post it on the wiki + ML) | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | alright let's move one to bugs | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we didn't get time to work through the list last week | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic Let's go over new bugs | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:18 |
| bswartz | dustins: what do you have for us this week? | 15:18 |
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| dustins | I have the few that we had from last week plus one more | 15:19 |
| dustins | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:19 |
| dustins | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1737713 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1737713 in Manila "create cephfs share failed" [Undecided,New] | 15:20 |
| dustins | Tjat | 15:20 |
| * dustins realigns fingers | 15:20 | |
| dustins | This one is new this week, and has to do with creating a CephFS share failing | 15:20 |
| dustins | Ramana is out on PTO for the rest of the week, so vkmc, tbarron, and I will look into this | 15:21 |
| bswartz | should we assume the bug is in the driver? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | or is there any reason to doubt that? | 15:21 |
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| gouthamr | ERROR oslo_messaging.rpc.server Error: (13, "error in mkdir 'volumes': error code 13") | 15:22 |
| dustins | I'm not sure, it could be a permissions/capabilities issue with the underlying ceph service, but we'll look into it | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | looks like a misconfigured backend | 15:22 |
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| vkmc | yeah, cephfs native gate is passing | 15:22 |
| dustins | It looks like it has something to do with the backend, but we'll look into it | 15:22 |
| vkmc | so I would not assume it's a bug in the driver | 15:23 |
| vkmc | rather a misconfig | 15:23 |
| dustins | Yeah, that's what my spidey-sense is saying as well | 15:23 |
| vkmc | I'll try to reproduce it | 15:23 |
| dustins | vkmc: I'll assign it to you! | 15:23 |
| vkmc | dustins, sure, thanks | 15:24 |
| bswartz | dustins: if it's a user error, please just post what the user did wrong in the bug, so that people searching can find the same solution | 15:24 |
| dustins | Of course! | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | I can't tell you how many of my Linux issues lead me from google to launchpad to an actual solution to my problem | 15:25 |
| ttx | bswartz: I wouldn't say it's likely, given the reception to the proposal :) | 15:25 |
| bswartz | ttx: oh! we'll keep an eye on it then. I was just raising awareness | 15:25 |
| bswartz | dustins: what's next? | 15:26 |
| dustins | So it sounds like that one's taken care of for now, thanks, vkmc! | 15:26 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1707005 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707005 in Manila " Enable IPv6 in manila(network plugins and drivers)" [Undecided,New] | 15:26 |
| ttx | I mean, I'm definitely interested in whether you think it would be helping or making things worse. | 15:26 |
| dustins | This one's just an autogenerated docs bug | 15:26 |
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| dustins | Can be closed if we have IPv6 configuration docs for Manila | 15:27 |
| zhongjun | I added ipv6 in api-ref | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | dustins: the core of manila will handle IPv6 automatically -- it's really a driver config issue | 15:27 |
| zhongjun | But we should review it in our doc | 15:27 |
| bswartz | administrators need to know how to enable ipv6 on their specific backends | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: do we have the config opt changes documented? and perhaps share network admin/user documentation | 15:28 |
| bswartz | oh and I suppose there's the network plugin issue | 15:28 |
| bswartz | network plugins are part of the core and any ipv6 options on them need docs | 15:28 |
| zhongjun | dustins: I will recheck it | 15:28 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: ty | 15:28 |
| dustins | zhongjun: Sounds good, I'll assign you to the bug! | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun: +1 thanks | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ttx: I'll share my opinion on the ML | 15:28 |
| zhongjun | I added something about ipv6 in doc. But I am not sure it is finished | 15:29 |
| dustins | Alright, two more for today | 15:29 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1705540 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705540 in Manila " Add quotas per share type" [Undecided,New] | 15:29 |
| dustins | Another simple docs check | 15:30 |
| dustins | This one for Share Type Quotas | 15:30 |
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| dustins | We just need to double check that we have docs for this | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | this one needs admin docs.. can we tag it and look for a volunteer? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: are you sure the docs don't exist? I'm looking now | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yep, i don't see it in the admin guide.. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay, so this bug is legit | 15:32 |
| dustins | Any volunteers? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | fwiw, bugs like this don't really need attention until after the 3rd milestone, so someone could volunteer and tackle it then | 15:33 |
| zhongjun | dustins: I will try to find a volunteer, if not, I’ll do it | 15:34 |
| dustins | bswartz: I'll keep that in mind | 15:34 |
| dustins | zhongjun: Awesome, thanks! | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | this is the link https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/admin/shared-file-systems-quotas.html , but i can't seem to find it in the index :| | 15:34 |
| dustins | gouthamr: Yeah, I couldn't find it in the index, and honestly the docs search sucks | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | Found it, it's under Share Management as a second level topic.. i think that needs fixing | 15:35 |
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| zhongjun | I remembered someone fixed that, but it looks like there still has something left | 15:36 |
| bswartz | dustins: what's next? | 15:36 |
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| dustins | Last one for today: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1705533 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705533 in Manila "manila manage error output does failed to format python string" [Undecided,New] | 15:36 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1705533 | 15:36 |
| zhongjun | leave | 15:36 |
| * bswartz headdesk | 15:37 | |
| bswartz | this looks like a really simple bug | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | this is a hard one :) | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | i think we kept it aside for the bugsmash as a low hanging fruit? | 15:37 |
| dustins | Yeah, totally a low hanging fruit | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I'm sure someone at netapp will fix this before the release | 15:37 |
| dustins | Dang, I forgot to add this to the bugscrub event | 15:38 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: can we assign it so there's no confusion? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | yep | 15:38 |
| dustins | gouthamr: who should I assign it to? the NetApp group? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | dustins: if we can't pick someone specific, then yes | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | dustins: i assigned it to myself | 15:39 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: did you want to take this personally? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:39 |
| bswartz | does that do it for the bugs? | 15:39 |
| dustins | For today, yeah! | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | i got one | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | finding link | 15:39 |
| dustins | I think next week I'll circle back around on the bugs that we've covered to check in | 15:39 |
| dustins | Plus some new ones, I reckon | 15:40 |
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| gouthamr | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg113994.html | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ^ quick google search link, sorry about that | 15:40 |
| bswartz | oh yes | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | vkmc sent this note out a couple of days ago | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | should we wait for responses? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I say we press forward | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | okay.. | 15:42 |
| vkmc | yes, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125471.html | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we'll find out who's paying attention and who's not | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: ah, the real link :) | 15:42 |
| vkmc | and this is the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512300/ | 15:42 |
| vkmc | reading your last comment gouthamr | 15:43 |
| zhongjun | gouthamr:It would be better to wait for responses, at least two or more. | 15:43 |
| vkmc | seems like a bug | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I haven't tested that personally yet, but I plan to do it today | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | kaisers: if you're around... i know you guys don't use devstack gate, would like your input on the ML if you could get this to work easily | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | vkmc: we discussed the possibility of that bug briefly at the Atlanta PTG and we concluded that we would rip out those tests when they become an issue | 15:45 |
| bswartz | long live sos-ci! | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | this is the case where manila-tempest-plugin has tests that tests the maximum microversion reported by manila | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | we concluded in ATL that we don't need those tests | 15:46 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: hold on | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | * test the maximum microversion reported by manila against the configured maximum microversion | 15:46 |
| bswartz | the decision that we didn't need them rested on the assumption that the tests would remain in-tree | 15:47 |
| bswartz | if you take the tests out of the tree like we're doing, then suddenly those tests have more value | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | This is the configuration option we fiddle with every time we bump the microversion on the server side: https://github.com/openstack/manila-tempest-plugin/blob/master/manila_tempest_tests/config.py#L33 | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: what's the point of testing that the server reports a particular microversion as the maximum? | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: https://github.com/openstack/manila-tempest-plugin/blob/master/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/test_microversions.py | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I was thinking about testing the case where the cloud is newer than the tempest version | 15:49 |
| bswartz | and being able to detect if anything changed since the latest version tempest knew about | 15:49 |
| bswartz | we probably need to have this discussion over again, but we don't need to do it now | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: so specific APIs and their responses at the configured version should be tested.. | 15:50 |
| bswartz | it's not a use case for gate testing -- it's something a tempest developer (QA engineer) might be interested in | 15:50 |
| bswartz | let's cover that issue offline | 15:50 |
| bswartz | anything else for today? | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: we can probably gate on the minimum, but if we continue having this, someone bumping up the microversion on the server will have to first submit a patch to manila-tempest-plugin and make their manila patch depend on this change | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | nope, looks like zhongjun recommends holding off until next week? | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: you need more time to update your CI? | 15:52 |
| zhongjun | To make sure it is work on our CI | 15:52 |
| bswartz | okay that's fine with me | 15:53 |
| zhongjun | We never checked it | 15:53 |
| bswartz | let's plan on merging this next week come hell or high water though | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | "tempest" | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:54 |
| zhongjun | Thanks | 15:54 |
| bswartz | okay that's it for today | 15:54 |
| vkmc | +1 next week | 15:54 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone for your reviews last week to get the milestone done | 15:54 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 14 15:54:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-12-14-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-12-14-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-12-14-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 15:56 |
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| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 14 17:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| lhinds | anyone around? gagehugo , fungi ? | 17:01 |
| fungi | oh, yep | 17:01 |
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| fungi | sidetracked by release cycle change discussions going on in parallel | 17:02 |
| lhinds | fungi: no worries, I think we can be really quick here. | 17:02 |
| lhinds | in fact I have two things I could really quickly go over with you fungi .. | 17:02 |
| lhinds | could you let me know what you think of this email announcing the SIG | 17:02 |
| lhinds | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-sig-mail | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | and two, is it ok etiquette to send this to openstack-dev [all] | 17:03 |
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| fungi | well, i think it needs to go to the sigs ml. a pointer to it could also get sent separately to the dev and ops lists | 17:05 |
| fungi | but ideally, discussion of this would happen on the sigs ml | 17:05 |
| fungi | and cross-posting could lead to a fractured thread mess | 17:05 |
| lhinds | I see what you mean, but I was thinking its more an announcement than a discussion per say (we had that before) | 17:06 |
| fungi | for the pointer posted to the dev ml, i think i'd use [all] and [security] | 17:06 |
| lhinds | fungi: good point | 17:06 |
| fungi | [all] is actually intended for cross-project topics, not necessarily meaning to the attention of everyone | 17:06 |
| fungi | so people who are subscribing to or filtering on specific ml tags need to have explicitly chosen the [all] tag | 17:07 |
| lhinds | I was also thinking of keeping our existing IRC channel and mailing list address as well. No point scrapping all the people in the channel and those that know the address. | 17:07 |
| lhinds | fungi: ack, see what you mean. | 17:07 |
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| fungi | i thought we'd been wanting to avoid using the security ml for discussions anyway, and just keeping it as a convenient means of getting automated notices for security hardening bugs and security-impact flagged reviews | 17:08 |
| lhinds | fungi: true, so we should keep it active for that. | 17:08 |
| lhinds | fungi: there is also a commit bot that posts to #openstack-security and the odd user pops up | 17:09 |
| fungi | i remember going through it with hyakuhei a while back, we just needed to make some adjustments to the posting policy enforced for the list to automatically allow lp and gerrit to send through while setting the general list policy to reject | 17:09 |
| lhinds | fungi: I see, so we can leave all as it is. | 17:09 |
| fungi | yeah, all that is to say i think keeping those resources is fine, but general discussion would mostly move from the dev ml to the sigs ml | 17:10 |
| fungi | in an effort to be more inclusive of ops/user participation | 17:10 |
| lhinds | hmm, is there much action on the sigs list? | 17:10 |
| lhinds | I doubt it has that many subscribers | 17:10 |
| lhinds | Not sure I like the sound of being silo'ed off there. | 17:11 |
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| lhinds | I guess that's already been decided on, so be it. | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | what do you think of the email fungi , anything wrong / misleading at all? | 17:15 |
| fungi | sorry, as i said, being pulled in a lot of directions at the moment. reading it now | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | fungi: no worries, take your time. | 17:17 |
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| cleong | hi | 17:17 |
| lhinds | hi cleong | 17:18 |
| cleong | may i ask a newb question? | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | sure.. | 17:18 |
| fungi | lhinds: i made a couple of minor typo corrections, but lgtm. ship it | 17:18 |
| lhinds | thanks fungi | 17:18 |
| cleong | what do i need to provide for becoming a security group member? | 17:18 |
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| fungi | we can address the discussion of the vmt switching to a tc-appointed working group at a later date once the dist settles | 17:18 |
| fungi | s/dist/dust/ | 17:19 |
| cleong | i am studying digital forensics next semester and would like to apply theory to practical using openstack | 17:19 |
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| lhinds | sounds good fungi , I will email ttx to see if we can get a waiver from moving to the sig mailing list | 17:20 |
| lhinds | I would prefer to keep things as they are, so we get the needed visibility with the projects | 17:20 |
| lhinds | and people already know we listen on -dev [security] | 17:20 |
| lhinds | sounds interesting cleong | 17:21 |
| cleong | thanks lhinds, do i just apply on the launchpad page? | 17:21 |
| fungi | lhinds: why would we need to get a waiver from moving to the sig mailing list (from the dev ml)? | 17:22 |
| lhinds | cleong: apply for what cleong , internship? | 17:22 |
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| lhinds | fungi: well if we don't need one, I am good with that :) | 17:22 |
| cleong | no it just says that the group is moderated | 17:22 |
| lhinds | cleong: sure, go ahead and join and I will approve your membership | 17:22 |
| cleong | ahh wonderful thank you lhinds | 17:23 |
| cleong | wasn't sure if there was a procedure | 17:23 |
| fungi | lhinds: we can still have security-related discussions on the dev ml if they crop up there, but sigs use the sigs ml for normal discussion so that it's more likely to pull in perspectives from operators/users | 17:23 |
| lhinds | fungi: ack, I got you now. I am fine with that. | 17:23 |
| lhinds | I thought we would be banished from the main list. | 17:23 |
| fungi | in the same way that dev-related discussions sometimes crop up on the general ml, or operational topics come up on the dev ml... | 17:23 |
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| lhinds | fungi: yup, sgtm | 17:24 |
| lhinds | so I think we can wrap up here, as no other bandit cores on. I will drop the email out and follow up around PTG planning for the SIG | 17:24 |
| lhinds | fungi: thx again, nice to meet you cleong ! | 17:25 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 14 17:25:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-12-14-17.00.html | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-12-14-17.00.txt | 17:25 |
| cleong | thank you lhinds | 17:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-12-14-17.00.log.html | 17:25 |
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| fungi | thanks lhinds! | 17:27 |
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