Thursday, 2018-01-11

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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 11 15:00:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
xyanghi15:00
zhongjun Hi15:00
gansohello15:00
tbarronhi15:00
dustinsheya \o15:00
vkmco/15:00
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bswartzcourtesy ping: gouthamr toabctl markstur vponomaryov cknight15:01
bswartz#topic announcements15:01
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)"15:01
gouthamrhi o/15:01
bswartzWe passed feature proposal freeze on Monday15:02
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bswartzI didn't see anything come in right around the deadline, but we should keep any eye out for any new features being proposed15:03
bswartzFeatures that missed the deadline get an automatic -2 unless an exception is granted, and there haven't been any requests made15:03
bswartzWe're now 2 weeks from the actual feature freeze15:04
bswartz#link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html15:04
bswartzThere aren't any new agenda items proposed for this week, so this might be a short meeting15:05
bswartzDoes anyone know why the gate is so slow?15:05
bswartztbarron: what are you debugging with your DNM change?15:05
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tbarronsomeone claimed gate jobs were failing so I wanted to see if there's an issue.15:06
tbarronthere isn't, not not any more15:06
tbarronor not at the moment :D15:06
bswartzOh I see it reported back15:06
tbarronI think it's the person who is doing the EMC ipv6 patch15:07
bswartzThere's a change in the queue that's been stuck there for >5 hours15:07
bswartzBut that might be something random15:07
tbarronYeah, the queue seems quite slow.15:07
tbarronAlso, I've noticed that if you have a Depends-on: chgid in your cmt msg and15:07
bswartzSomething to remember for anyone working on getting anything merged before the deadline -- the gate often gets really hard to deal with on the final days before a reeze15:08
bswartzfreeze even15:08
tbarronthat change has already merged, then your review doesn't run15:08
bswartztbarron: you have an example of that?15:08
gansotbarron: IIRC that has worked before, it means it is broken now, correct?15:08
bswartzSometimes there are more than 1 change with the same ID15:08
tbarronnot in hand, maybe I can chase it down.15:08
toabctlhi15:09
tbarronFor now just treat my remark as an anecdote.  If your job isn't running, see if that description fits.15:09
bswartzk15:09
tbarronI *think* I saw that twice and removing the depends-on got the machinery going.15:10
tbarronganso: if zuul has a backwards compatability contract with the users :)15:10
bswartzWell it's safe to remove the depends-on if the other change has already merged in any case15:10
tbarronright15:11
bswartz#topic Let's go over new bugs15:11
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bswartzdustins: do you have anything to cover today?15:11
dustinsbswartz: Yeah, a short list this week15:11
dustinshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/174202715:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1742027 in Manila " DocImpact: Add quotas per share type" [Undecided,New]15:12
bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad15:12
dustinsEasy "do we have docs for this?" bug15:12
bswartz#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/174202715:12
bswartzI thought we covered this one in a previous meeting15:12
bswartzOr am I remembering a different but similar bug?15:12
zhongjunYeah, lijunbo added it15:13
tbarrondustin there's a review up for that15:13
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dustinsbswartz: Similar but different15:13
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dustinstbarron: I figured there was, just wanted to be sure that folks were aware15:13
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tbarronzhongjun: did that one already merge?  /me is having trouble tracking it down15:14
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bswartzCan we link to the docs change in the bug so we know it's dealt with?15:14
zhongjuntbarron: It might be yes15:15
tbarronhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/530184/15:16
tbarron^^^ merged15:16
bswartzI updated the bug15:16
tbarroncloses this bug though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/170554015:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705540 in Manila " Add quotas per share type" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to junboli (junboli)15:17
bswartzThanks15:17
zhongjunThanks,15:17
bswartzProbably just a duplicate but15:17
tbarronah, that was the functional code bug, not the doc-impact bug15:17
bswartzbug15:17
bswartzNext up?15:17
dustins#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/174243015:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1742430 in Manila "manila_tempest_test create_share fails because a share type not create or define in advance" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to shuaili.wang (shuaili.wang)15:18
tbarronyeah, I don't understand this one.15:19
tbarronDoes anyone?15:19
dustinsI think this goes back to the "you need to create a default share type before doing anything" thing, yeah?15:19
tbarronRight.15:19
bswartzYeah but devstack should do that15:19
tbarronBut what is the bug?15:19
bswartzMaybe someone is running tempest on a cloud that somehow managed to not have any share types?15:19
tbarronThat may well be.15:19
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tbarronPeople run tempest outside devstack.15:20
bswartzIn that case, this is working as designed15:20
bswartzThe problem is most likely a bad error message15:20
tbarronFor example, we have that issue in tripleo, where the hook to create the share type got broken.15:20
tbarronSo we're fixing that there.15:20
bswartzWe could make it more obvious to the user that they really need to have a share type15:20
tbarronBut it has been proposed that tempest itself would create the default share type, maybe that's what is wanted here?15:20
bswartzWell15:21
dustinsOr at least create a share type for it's usage15:21
bswartzIt's my opinion that tempest should create everything it needs15:21
bswartzTempest shouldn't make use of the default share type anywhere except tests designed to specific test how the default share type works15:21
tbarronThat would be a reasonable thing to do, if someone wants to build it.15:21
tbarronbswartz: but that's not the way it works today, right?15:22
bswartzSo any test group that creates shares should have a share type creation in the setup15:22
bswartzFor historical reasons, no15:22
tbarronso maybe that's what shuali wants to do, but right now there's a one line patch associated with this bug.15:23
bswartzCreating special test-group-specific share types would eliminate a possible source of errors in testing15:23
tbarronif the one line can achieve that goal then we really need to get this person contributing more!!!15:23
gansowe could include it in the setup of the base class, and any test class that needs to use a special share type can override that15:23
bswartzWell we'd have to be careful to not lose coverage of the default share type feature15:23
tbarronDoes anyone know shuali and could reach out to him / her ?15:23
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bswartzRight now default share types might only get tested by virtue of the fact that other tests happen to use them15:24
tbarronThere's a similarly motivated review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519040/15:25
tbarronIn both cases the basic idea and motivation may be good but the review mechanism isn't facilitating good communication.15:26
bswartzThat seems to be aimed at a ceph specific problem15:26
bswartzBut if it can be generalized, it would be helpful to merge it15:26
tbarronbswartz: maybe I put the wrong review in, sec15:26
tbarronNah, that's it.15:26
bswartzIt's unclear why ceph needs special treatment15:27
tbarronI think it went towards ceph b/c I said "but what about other back ends and mentioned ceph"15:27
tbarronAc chalenge is that the default share type will have different extra specs depending on back end capabilities.15:27
tbarrondevstack plugin handles this today.15:27
tbarronIf we build the capability into tempest itself then we need to key off the capabilities/settings fed to tempest to determine what default share type extra specs will be for15:28
tbarronany particular test run.15:28
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gansotbarron: there is already such option15:28
bswartzWell any changes to how the default share type is created might expose problems in tempest15:28
gansotbarron: LVM driver uses it15:29
gansotbarron: it creates the default share type with the specified capabilities15:29
bswartzAll the more reason to update tempest to create share types as needed everywhere except tests specifically around the default share type15:29
tbarronganso: tempest does this for lvm?15:29
gansotbarron: yes15:29
gansobswartz: yes, some stuff is coded the wrong way, like15:30
tbarronganso: bswartz: so it sounds like we're saying tempest should extend this capability for other back ends.15:30
gansobswartz: tests assume the default share type has the capability, and tries to use it. If the default share type custom extra spec option isn't used in devstack, it will fail15:30
bswartzwhat I'm saying is that, for example, if tempest is testing NFS share, it should create a share type that will work for NFS, similarly CIFS or Ceph15:30
gansobswartz: the correct way would be that the test should create the share type with the required capability, and then use it, instead of the default share type15:30
gouthamrwait, tempest doesn't care about backends :P15:31
tbarronbswartz: yeah, I was talking past that point but I agree.15:31
gouthamrganso: where does it create one, for LVM?15:31
gansotbarron: no, that's not what I meant, I meant that devstack plugin sets this option for LVM driver15:31
bswartzThe default share type merely needs to exist and allow a share to be created -- tempest shouldn't care much beyond that15:31
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gansotbarron: other job configs can set it up as needed as well15:31
gouthamrah, anyone can take advantage of that.. DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS is the option iirc15:31
bswartzThe real value of the default share type is for developers who are running devstack and want to create shares quickly and easily15:31
gansogouthamr: exactly15:32
gouthamrs/DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS/MANILA_DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS15:32
gansogouthamr: that's how it is done today, but shouldn't it be done per test?15:32
gouthamrthe local.conf option ^15:32
bswartzBut actual users will never see any of that benefit, they'll rely on their distros to setup something sensible15:32
gouthamrganso: agree tests should never rely on the default share type15:33
gansobswartz: yes, having that in devstack only makes things harder when running on production clouds15:33
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bswartzokay so do we have a conclusion about this    bug?15:33
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bswartzshuaili.wang will fix it?15:34
gansobswartz: the conclusion isn't really a one-liner, it is a refactor...15:34
tbarronganso: are you saying DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS is a tempest option or a devstack option?  Just want to clarify.15:34
gansotbarron: devstack option15:34
tbarronganso: ok, that's different.15:34
gansotbarron: for the change you linked, it seems like that particular problem could be solved by setting the devstack option15:34
gansotbarron: but the person seems to be trying to implement what we are discussing here15:35
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tbarronganso: I think the point is they want it to work w/o devstack and its default share type hooks.15:35
gansotbarron: yes, then the refactor is needed15:35
gouthamrtbarron: i feel they're fixing something with their third party CI15:36
tbarronso they are trying to build it into tempest, e.g. tempest base class.15:36
gansogouthamr: I got that impression too15:36
gouthamrthe fix is proposed to the tests15:36
gouthamr#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532713/1/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/base.py15:36
tbarronright,15:36
gouthamrso, likely this is their CI missing MANILA_DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS15:36
tbarronput default share creation in tempest rather than in devstack15:36
bswartzgouthamr: do you want to add some notes to the LP bug to help shuaili.wang?15:37
tbarrondsariel asked me to look at 51940 b/c he runs tempes w/o devstack15:37
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tbarron51904015:37
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zhongjunshualli.wang’s changing will cause another problem, we could add more commitments in this patch15:37
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gouthamrbswartz: sure, i'll ask these questions there15:38
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zhongjunComments15:38
tbarronzhongjun: comments without commitments are often a good idea :D15:38
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gansotbarron: ROFL15:38
bswartzdustins: is that the last one you want to cover today?15:39
dustinsbswartz: Yup, that's all for today15:39
bswartz#topic open discussion15:39
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zhongjun:) type error15:39
bswartzokay anything else for this week?15:39
tbarronreminder on PTG etherpad?15:40
ganso#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg15:40
bswartz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg15:40
tbarronthanks15:40
gansozhongjun: are you going to participate in the PTG?15:41
xyangbswartz: are the dates determined yet?15:41
tbarronPlease put down ideas there,15:41
bswartzWe're still quite a ways away from the PTG, but those who are going in person should hurry up and arrange travel15:41
zhongjunI am not sure now15:41
bswartzxyang: I have to confirm with the foundation about the schedule15:42
xyangok15:42
bswartzI've asked for Tuesday+Friday15:42
bswartzWe have some time to get our agenda/topics sorted out, but it's never too early to start throwing ideas on the etherpad15:42
xyangare the first couple of days still for cross-project things?15:42
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bswartzxyang: yes I think they plan to follow the pattern of Denver, but possibly with some more fine-grained scheduling of the first 2 days, to avoid having rooms that sit empty 90% of the time15:43
xyangok15:43
bswartzokay that should be all for today15:44
bswartzthanks all15:44
bswartz#endmeeting15:44
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lhinds#startmeeting security-project17:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 11 17:03:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security-project)"17:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security_project'17:03
lhindshey gagehugo , just checking if you're around17:03
gagehugoo/17:03
lhindshey gagehugo !17:04
gagehugohow was your holiday?17:04
lhindsnice thanks, how about you?17:04
gagehugoit was ok, I was sick for part of it but oh well17:04
lhindseugh, glad you got over that17:05
lhindsnever nice during non work times.17:05
gagehugofor the most part haha17:05
fungii somehow managed not to let my family infect me with any maladies17:05
lhindshey fungi17:06
lhindsso here is our weekly agenda:17:06
lhinds#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:06
lhindsI am still a little in catch up mode, so main topic from me would be PTG planning17:06
lhindsanyone have anything they want to go over?17:06
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fungii'm only just coming out of the meltdown patching tunnel17:07
fungittx had a good openstack faq about spectre and meltdown vulnerabilities, if you didn't see it17:07
fungi#link https://ttx.re/openstack-spectre-meltdown-faq.html OpenStack Spectre/Meltdown FAQ17:08
lhindsgreat, good work there.17:08
lhindsI was out of the loop totally when those hit..I had a few days completely offline17:08
fungigood planning on your part! ;)17:09
gagehugooh nice17:09
lhindsyep, I had an endurance race thing on and wanted to get my head down for that.17:09
lhindsso I have a PTG pad here:17:09
lhindshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda17:09
fungitotally understand, it's been a few years since my last race. i need to get back into it17:09
lhindswrong link. you should fungi , I do it to keep me sane :S17:10
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lhindshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-ptg-rocky17:10
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-ptg-rocky17:10
lhindsI sent out an email to try and rouse some x-project topics.17:10
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lhindshoping some projects bite, but if you two know of anything that needs collaboration or is proviing tricky to get consensus on, please do propose what will be the security SIG room17:11
gagehugoI don't have confirmation yet if I will be going, but might hear something soon17:11
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gagehugoI just have the keystone policy roadmap17:11
lhindsfingers crossed gagehugo , I want to buy you a pint of the black stuff17:12
gagehugobut that's on there already so that's good17:12
gagehugoyay17:12
lhindshttps://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/nintchdbpict000309517795.jpg17:12
gagehugoawesome17:13
fungii'm not sure whether my compatriots on the vmt will be in dublin or whether it's just me again, but i sent along the url to the planning pad just in case they have suggestions17:13
fungiaha, kmalloc says affirmative!17:14
lhindsgood idea fungi17:14
kmalloco/17:14
lhindshey kmalloc17:14
kmalloci plan on trying to be there17:14
kmallocbut it's up in the air17:14
gagehugokmalloc o/17:14
lhindsso yes, if you want to have any VMT sessions, use our room...its there for the good of all things Security17:14
fungisounds great17:15
gagehugosure17:15
lhindskmalloc / gagehugo and any keystone'y things too that need other projects involvement.17:16
cleonghi17:16
kmallocjust continuation of previous initiatives17:16
lhindsHey cleong17:16
kmallocnothing new iirc, but gagehugo might have more thoughts17:17
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gagehugopolicy input for sure17:17
gagehugoas that will affect everything17:17
lhindshave that on ^17:17
lhindsthere is also the keystone-pyclient Threat-a we could wrap up17:17
lhindsok, so that should do for PTG17:18
fungioh, a few new hardening opportunities are publicly disclosed now. as usual, see the openstack-security ml where those notifications get copied17:18
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-security/2018-January/thread.html security ml archive for january, 201817:18
lhindsthx, had not seen that17:20
fungiactually i guess only one of those is a new hardening opportunity17:20
lhindswhich one do you think fungi ?17:21
* gagehugo takes a look17:21
fungithe other threads there are also hardening opportunities, just not new ones17:21
fungitechnically the new one isn't new either, we just overlooked lifting teh embargo on it for a month or so17:22
gagehugoah ok17:22
fungibut it may still be interesting to pay attention to developments on them17:22
fungifor example, the one there for bug 1649634 is noting that a previously in-progress change claiming to address teh issue was abandoned for inactivity17:23
openstackbug 1649634 in Cinder "Insecure Randomness for AES Passphrase Generation" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649634 - Assigned to Tin Lam (lamt)17:23
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fungiso could be low-hanging fruit to restore and adopt that change17:24
fungithe sort of stuff we could be highlighting for people who are interested in getting involved, per the outreach question on the ptg planning pad17:25
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lhindsadded that fungi , there are no big objections to the patch on there, so someone could fix the merge conflicts and try to get it landed.17:26
lhindsThere are also a lot of security-doc bugs folks could pick up on.17:26
lhindsso plenty around for getting feet wet17:26
lhindsok..other topics/17:27
lhinds#topic bandit17:27
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lhindsgagehugo: just landed your patch17:27
gagehugo\o/17:27
lhindsdoc/requirement.txt17:27
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lhinds#topic OSSN17:28
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lhindsI need to get my finger out here and clear the backlog. I will also push for involvement at the PTG too.17:28
lhindsgagehugo: makes sense to clean up the VMT keystonemiddleware client TA at the PTG?17:29
lhindsclean up as in finish up17:29
gagehugodefinitely17:29
lhindsok, let's do that17:29
lhindsk, so unless any other burning topics..I think we can close for this week17:29
gagehugowould be nicer to have people in the room to get that done17:29
lhindsgagehugo: +1 , agree17:30
funginothing else on my end17:30
gagehugoI am good17:30
lhindsgagehugo: all ok for you?17:30
gagehugoyup17:30
lhindsgreat, see you all next week !17:31
fungithanks lhinds!17:31
lhinds#endmeeting17:31
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