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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 15:00:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
xyang | hi | 15:00 |
zhongjun | Hi | 15:00 |
ganso | hello | 15:00 |
tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
dustins | heya \o | 15:00 |
vkmc | o/ | 15:00 |
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bswartz | courtesy ping: gouthamr toabctl markstur vponomaryov cknight | 15:01 |
bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
gouthamr | hi o/ | 15:01 |
bswartz | We passed feature proposal freeze on Monday | 15:02 |
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bswartz | I didn't see anything come in right around the deadline, but we should keep any eye out for any new features being proposed | 15:03 |
bswartz | Features that missed the deadline get an automatic -2 unless an exception is granted, and there haven't been any requests made | 15:03 |
bswartz | We're now 2 weeks from the actual feature freeze | 15:04 |
bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:04 |
bswartz | There aren't any new agenda items proposed for this week, so this might be a short meeting | 15:05 |
bswartz | Does anyone know why the gate is so slow? | 15:05 |
bswartz | tbarron: what are you debugging with your DNM change? | 15:05 |
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tbarron | someone claimed gate jobs were failing so I wanted to see if there's an issue. | 15:06 |
tbarron | there isn't, not not any more | 15:06 |
tbarron | or not at the moment :D | 15:06 |
bswartz | Oh I see it reported back | 15:06 |
tbarron | I think it's the person who is doing the EMC ipv6 patch | 15:07 |
bswartz | There's a change in the queue that's been stuck there for >5 hours | 15:07 |
bswartz | But that might be something random | 15:07 |
tbarron | Yeah, the queue seems quite slow. | 15:07 |
tbarron | Also, I've noticed that if you have a Depends-on: chgid in your cmt msg and | 15:07 |
bswartz | Something to remember for anyone working on getting anything merged before the deadline -- the gate often gets really hard to deal with on the final days before a reeze | 15:08 |
bswartz | freeze even | 15:08 |
tbarron | that change has already merged, then your review doesn't run | 15:08 |
bswartz | tbarron: you have an example of that? | 15:08 |
ganso | tbarron: IIRC that has worked before, it means it is broken now, correct? | 15:08 |
bswartz | Sometimes there are more than 1 change with the same ID | 15:08 |
tbarron | not in hand, maybe I can chase it down. | 15:08 |
toabctl | hi | 15:09 |
tbarron | For now just treat my remark as an anecdote. If your job isn't running, see if that description fits. | 15:09 |
bswartz | k | 15:09 |
tbarron | I *think* I saw that twice and removing the depends-on got the machinery going. | 15:10 |
tbarron | ganso: if zuul has a backwards compatability contract with the users :) | 15:10 |
bswartz | Well it's safe to remove the depends-on if the other change has already merged in any case | 15:10 |
tbarron | right | 15:11 |
bswartz | #topic Let's go over new bugs | 15:11 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Let's go over new bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
bswartz | dustins: do you have anything to cover today? | 15:11 |
dustins | bswartz: Yeah, a short list this week | 15:11 |
dustins | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1742027 | 15:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1742027 in Manila " DocImpact: Add quotas per share type" [Undecided,New] | 15:12 |
bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:12 |
dustins | Easy "do we have docs for this?" bug | 15:12 |
bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1742027 | 15:12 |
bswartz | I thought we covered this one in a previous meeting | 15:12 |
bswartz | Or am I remembering a different but similar bug? | 15:12 |
zhongjun | Yeah, lijunbo added it | 15:13 |
tbarron | dustin there's a review up for that | 15:13 |
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dustins | bswartz: Similar but different | 15:13 |
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dustins | tbarron: I figured there was, just wanted to be sure that folks were aware | 15:13 |
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tbarron | zhongjun: did that one already merge? /me is having trouble tracking it down | 15:14 |
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bswartz | Can we link to the docs change in the bug so we know it's dealt with? | 15:14 |
zhongjun | tbarron: It might be yes | 15:15 |
tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/530184/ | 15:16 |
tbarron | ^^^ merged | 15:16 |
bswartz | I updated the bug | 15:16 |
tbarron | closes this bug though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1705540 | 15:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1705540 in Manila " Add quotas per share type" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to junboli (junboli) | 15:17 |
bswartz | Thanks | 15:17 |
zhongjun | Thanks, | 15:17 |
bswartz | Probably just a duplicate but | 15:17 |
tbarron | ah, that was the functional code bug, not the doc-impact bug | 15:17 |
bswartz | bug | 15:17 |
bswartz | Next up? | 15:17 |
dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1742430 | 15:18 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1742430 in Manila "manila_tempest_test create_share fails because a share type not create or define in advance" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to shuaili.wang (shuaili.wang) | 15:18 |
tbarron | yeah, I don't understand this one. | 15:19 |
tbarron | Does anyone? | 15:19 |
dustins | I think this goes back to the "you need to create a default share type before doing anything" thing, yeah? | 15:19 |
tbarron | Right. | 15:19 |
bswartz | Yeah but devstack should do that | 15:19 |
tbarron | But what is the bug? | 15:19 |
bswartz | Maybe someone is running tempest on a cloud that somehow managed to not have any share types? | 15:19 |
tbarron | That may well be. | 15:19 |
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tbarron | People run tempest outside devstack. | 15:20 |
bswartz | In that case, this is working as designed | 15:20 |
bswartz | The problem is most likely a bad error message | 15:20 |
tbarron | For example, we have that issue in tripleo, where the hook to create the share type got broken. | 15:20 |
tbarron | So we're fixing that there. | 15:20 |
bswartz | We could make it more obvious to the user that they really need to have a share type | 15:20 |
tbarron | But it has been proposed that tempest itself would create the default share type, maybe that's what is wanted here? | 15:20 |
bswartz | Well | 15:21 |
dustins | Or at least create a share type for it's usage | 15:21 |
bswartz | It's my opinion that tempest should create everything it needs | 15:21 |
bswartz | Tempest shouldn't make use of the default share type anywhere except tests designed to specific test how the default share type works | 15:21 |
tbarron | That would be a reasonable thing to do, if someone wants to build it. | 15:21 |
tbarron | bswartz: but that's not the way it works today, right? | 15:22 |
bswartz | So any test group that creates shares should have a share type creation in the setup | 15:22 |
bswartz | For historical reasons, no | 15:22 |
tbarron | so maybe that's what shuali wants to do, but right now there's a one line patch associated with this bug. | 15:23 |
bswartz | Creating special test-group-specific share types would eliminate a possible source of errors in testing | 15:23 |
tbarron | if the one line can achieve that goal then we really need to get this person contributing more!!! | 15:23 |
ganso | we could include it in the setup of the base class, and any test class that needs to use a special share type can override that | 15:23 |
bswartz | Well we'd have to be careful to not lose coverage of the default share type feature | 15:23 |
tbarron | Does anyone know shuali and could reach out to him / her ? | 15:23 |
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bswartz | Right now default share types might only get tested by virtue of the fact that other tests happen to use them | 15:24 |
tbarron | There's a similarly motivated review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519040/ | 15:25 |
tbarron | In both cases the basic idea and motivation may be good but the review mechanism isn't facilitating good communication. | 15:26 |
bswartz | That seems to be aimed at a ceph specific problem | 15:26 |
bswartz | But if it can be generalized, it would be helpful to merge it | 15:26 |
tbarron | bswartz: maybe I put the wrong review in, sec | 15:26 |
tbarron | Nah, that's it. | 15:26 |
bswartz | It's unclear why ceph needs special treatment | 15:27 |
tbarron | I think it went towards ceph b/c I said "but what about other back ends and mentioned ceph" | 15:27 |
tbarron | Ac chalenge is that the default share type will have different extra specs depending on back end capabilities. | 15:27 |
tbarron | devstack plugin handles this today. | 15:27 |
tbarron | If we build the capability into tempest itself then we need to key off the capabilities/settings fed to tempest to determine what default share type extra specs will be for | 15:28 |
tbarron | any particular test run. | 15:28 |
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ganso | tbarron: there is already such option | 15:28 |
bswartz | Well any changes to how the default share type is created might expose problems in tempest | 15:28 |
ganso | tbarron: LVM driver uses it | 15:29 |
ganso | tbarron: it creates the default share type with the specified capabilities | 15:29 |
bswartz | All the more reason to update tempest to create share types as needed everywhere except tests specifically around the default share type | 15:29 |
tbarron | ganso: tempest does this for lvm? | 15:29 |
ganso | tbarron: yes | 15:29 |
ganso | bswartz: yes, some stuff is coded the wrong way, like | 15:30 |
tbarron | ganso: bswartz: so it sounds like we're saying tempest should extend this capability for other back ends. | 15:30 |
ganso | bswartz: tests assume the default share type has the capability, and tries to use it. If the default share type custom extra spec option isn't used in devstack, it will fail | 15:30 |
bswartz | what I'm saying is that, for example, if tempest is testing NFS share, it should create a share type that will work for NFS, similarly CIFS or Ceph | 15:30 |
ganso | bswartz: the correct way would be that the test should create the share type with the required capability, and then use it, instead of the default share type | 15:30 |
gouthamr | wait, tempest doesn't care about backends :P | 15:31 |
tbarron | bswartz: yeah, I was talking past that point but I agree. | 15:31 |
gouthamr | ganso: where does it create one, for LVM? | 15:31 |
ganso | tbarron: no, that's not what I meant, I meant that devstack plugin sets this option for LVM driver | 15:31 |
bswartz | The default share type merely needs to exist and allow a share to be created -- tempest shouldn't care much beyond that | 15:31 |
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ganso | tbarron: other job configs can set it up as needed as well | 15:31 |
gouthamr | ah, anyone can take advantage of that.. DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS is the option iirc | 15:31 |
bswartz | The real value of the default share type is for developers who are running devstack and want to create shares quickly and easily | 15:31 |
ganso | gouthamr: exactly | 15:32 |
gouthamr | s/DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS/MANILA_DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS | 15:32 |
ganso | gouthamr: that's how it is done today, but shouldn't it be done per test? | 15:32 |
gouthamr | the local.conf option ^ | 15:32 |
bswartz | But actual users will never see any of that benefit, they'll rely on their distros to setup something sensible | 15:32 |
gouthamr | ganso: agree tests should never rely on the default share type | 15:33 |
ganso | bswartz: yes, having that in devstack only makes things harder when running on production clouds | 15:33 |
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bswartz | okay so do we have a conclusion about this bug? | 15:33 |
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bswartz | shuaili.wang will fix it? | 15:34 |
ganso | bswartz: the conclusion isn't really a one-liner, it is a refactor... | 15:34 |
tbarron | ganso: are you saying DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS is a tempest option or a devstack option? Just want to clarify. | 15:34 |
ganso | tbarron: devstack option | 15:34 |
tbarron | ganso: ok, that's different. | 15:34 |
ganso | tbarron: for the change you linked, it seems like that particular problem could be solved by setting the devstack option | 15:34 |
ganso | tbarron: but the person seems to be trying to implement what we are discussing here | 15:35 |
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tbarron | ganso: I think the point is they want it to work w/o devstack and its default share type hooks. | 15:35 |
ganso | tbarron: yes, then the refactor is needed | 15:35 |
gouthamr | tbarron: i feel they're fixing something with their third party CI | 15:36 |
tbarron | so they are trying to build it into tempest, e.g. tempest base class. | 15:36 |
ganso | gouthamr: I got that impression too | 15:36 |
gouthamr | the fix is proposed to the tests | 15:36 |
gouthamr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532713/1/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/base.py | 15:36 |
tbarron | right, | 15:36 |
gouthamr | so, likely this is their CI missing MANILA_DEFAULT_SHARE_TYPE_EXTRA_SPECS | 15:36 |
tbarron | put default share creation in tempest rather than in devstack | 15:36 |
bswartz | gouthamr: do you want to add some notes to the LP bug to help shuaili.wang? | 15:37 |
tbarron | dsariel asked me to look at 51940 b/c he runs tempes w/o devstack | 15:37 |
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tbarron | 519040 | 15:37 |
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zhongjun | shualli.wang’s changing will cause another problem, we could add more commitments in this patch | 15:37 |
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gouthamr | bswartz: sure, i'll ask these questions there | 15:38 |
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zhongjun | Comments | 15:38 |
tbarron | zhongjun: comments without commitments are often a good idea :D | 15:38 |
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ganso | tbarron: ROFL | 15:38 |
bswartz | dustins: is that the last one you want to cover today? | 15:39 |
dustins | bswartz: Yup, that's all for today | 15:39 |
bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:39 |
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zhongjun | :) type error | 15:39 |
bswartz | okay anything else for this week? | 15:39 |
tbarron | reminder on PTG etherpad? | 15:40 |
ganso | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg | 15:40 |
bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg | 15:40 |
tbarron | thanks | 15:40 |
ganso | zhongjun: are you going to participate in the PTG? | 15:41 |
xyang | bswartz: are the dates determined yet? | 15:41 |
tbarron | Please put down ideas there, | 15:41 |
bswartz | We're still quite a ways away from the PTG, but those who are going in person should hurry up and arrange travel | 15:41 |
zhongjun | I am not sure now | 15:41 |
bswartz | xyang: I have to confirm with the foundation about the schedule | 15:42 |
xyang | ok | 15:42 |
bswartz | I've asked for Tuesday+Friday | 15:42 |
bswartz | We have some time to get our agenda/topics sorted out, but it's never too early to start throwing ideas on the etherpad | 15:42 |
xyang | are the first couple of days still for cross-project things? | 15:42 |
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bswartz | xyang: yes I think they plan to follow the pattern of Denver, but possibly with some more fine-grained scheduling of the first 2 days, to avoid having rooms that sit empty 90% of the time | 15:43 |
xyang | ok | 15:43 |
bswartz | okay that should be all for today | 15:44 |
bswartz | thanks all | 15:44 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 15:44:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-01-11-15.00.html | 15:44 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-01-11-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-01-11-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
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lhinds | #startmeeting security-project | 17:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 11 17:03:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security_project' | 17:03 |
lhinds | hey gagehugo , just checking if you're around | 17:03 |
gagehugo | o/ | 17:03 |
lhinds | hey gagehugo ! | 17:04 |
gagehugo | how was your holiday? | 17:04 |
lhinds | nice thanks, how about you? | 17:04 |
gagehugo | it was ok, I was sick for part of it but oh well | 17:04 |
lhinds | eugh, glad you got over that | 17:05 |
lhinds | never nice during non work times. | 17:05 |
gagehugo | for the most part haha | 17:05 |
fungi | i somehow managed not to let my family infect me with any maladies | 17:05 |
lhinds | hey fungi | 17:06 |
lhinds | so here is our weekly agenda: | 17:06 |
lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:06 |
lhinds | I am still a little in catch up mode, so main topic from me would be PTG planning | 17:06 |
lhinds | anyone have anything they want to go over? | 17:06 |
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fungi | i'm only just coming out of the meltdown patching tunnel | 17:07 |
fungi | ttx had a good openstack faq about spectre and meltdown vulnerabilities, if you didn't see it | 17:07 |
fungi | #link https://ttx.re/openstack-spectre-meltdown-faq.html OpenStack Spectre/Meltdown FAQ | 17:08 |
lhinds | great, good work there. | 17:08 |
lhinds | I was out of the loop totally when those hit..I had a few days completely offline | 17:08 |
fungi | good planning on your part! ;) | 17:09 |
gagehugo | oh nice | 17:09 |
lhinds | yep, I had an endurance race thing on and wanted to get my head down for that. | 17:09 |
lhinds | so I have a PTG pad here: | 17:09 |
lhinds | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:09 |
fungi | totally understand, it's been a few years since my last race. i need to get back into it | 17:09 |
lhinds | wrong link. you should fungi , I do it to keep me sane :S | 17:10 |
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lhinds | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-ptg-rocky | 17:10 |
fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-ptg-rocky | 17:10 |
lhinds | I sent out an email to try and rouse some x-project topics. | 17:10 |
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lhinds | hoping some projects bite, but if you two know of anything that needs collaboration or is proviing tricky to get consensus on, please do propose what will be the security SIG room | 17:11 |
gagehugo | I don't have confirmation yet if I will be going, but might hear something soon | 17:11 |
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gagehugo | I just have the keystone policy roadmap | 17:11 |
lhinds | fingers crossed gagehugo , I want to buy you a pint of the black stuff | 17:12 |
gagehugo | but that's on there already so that's good | 17:12 |
gagehugo | yay | 17:12 |
lhinds | https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/nintchdbpict000309517795.jpg | 17:12 |
gagehugo | awesome | 17:13 |
fungi | i'm not sure whether my compatriots on the vmt will be in dublin or whether it's just me again, but i sent along the url to the planning pad just in case they have suggestions | 17:13 |
fungi | aha, kmalloc says affirmative! | 17:14 |
lhinds | good idea fungi | 17:14 |
kmalloc | o/ | 17:14 |
lhinds | hey kmalloc | 17:14 |
kmalloc | i plan on trying to be there | 17:14 |
kmalloc | but it's up in the air | 17:14 |
gagehugo | kmalloc o/ | 17:14 |
lhinds | so yes, if you want to have any VMT sessions, use our room...its there for the good of all things Security | 17:14 |
fungi | sounds great | 17:15 |
gagehugo | sure | 17:15 |
lhinds | kmalloc / gagehugo and any keystone'y things too that need other projects involvement. | 17:16 |
cleong | hi | 17:16 |
kmalloc | just continuation of previous initiatives | 17:16 |
lhinds | Hey cleong | 17:16 |
kmalloc | nothing new iirc, but gagehugo might have more thoughts | 17:17 |
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gagehugo | policy input for sure | 17:17 |
gagehugo | as that will affect everything | 17:17 |
lhinds | have that on ^ | 17:17 |
lhinds | there is also the keystone-pyclient Threat-a we could wrap up | 17:17 |
lhinds | ok, so that should do for PTG | 17:18 |
fungi | oh, a few new hardening opportunities are publicly disclosed now. as usual, see the openstack-security ml where those notifications get copied | 17:18 |
fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-security/2018-January/thread.html security ml archive for january, 2018 | 17:18 |
lhinds | thx, had not seen that | 17:20 |
fungi | actually i guess only one of those is a new hardening opportunity | 17:20 |
lhinds | which one do you think fungi ? | 17:21 |
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fungi | the other threads there are also hardening opportunities, just not new ones | 17:21 |
fungi | technically the new one isn't new either, we just overlooked lifting teh embargo on it for a month or so | 17:22 |
gagehugo | ah ok | 17:22 |
fungi | but it may still be interesting to pay attention to developments on them | 17:22 |
fungi | for example, the one there for bug 1649634 is noting that a previously in-progress change claiming to address teh issue was abandoned for inactivity | 17:23 |
openstack | bug 1649634 in Cinder "Insecure Randomness for AES Passphrase Generation" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649634 - Assigned to Tin Lam (lamt) | 17:23 |
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fungi | so could be low-hanging fruit to restore and adopt that change | 17:24 |
fungi | the sort of stuff we could be highlighting for people who are interested in getting involved, per the outreach question on the ptg planning pad | 17:25 |
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lhinds | added that fungi , there are no big objections to the patch on there, so someone could fix the merge conflicts and try to get it landed. | 17:26 |
lhinds | There are also a lot of security-doc bugs folks could pick up on. | 17:26 |
lhinds | so plenty around for getting feet wet | 17:26 |
lhinds | ok..other topics/ | 17:27 |
lhinds | #topic bandit | 17:27 |
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lhinds | gagehugo: just landed your patch | 17:27 |
gagehugo | \o/ | 17:27 |
lhinds | doc/requirement.txt | 17:27 |
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lhinds | #topic OSSN | 17:28 |
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lhinds | I need to get my finger out here and clear the backlog. I will also push for involvement at the PTG too. | 17:28 |
lhinds | gagehugo: makes sense to clean up the VMT keystonemiddleware client TA at the PTG? | 17:29 |
lhinds | clean up as in finish up | 17:29 |
gagehugo | definitely | 17:29 |
lhinds | ok, let's do that | 17:29 |
lhinds | k, so unless any other burning topics..I think we can close for this week | 17:29 |
gagehugo | would be nicer to have people in the room to get that done | 17:29 |
lhinds | gagehugo: +1 , agree | 17:30 |
fungi | nothing else on my end | 17:30 |
gagehugo | I am good | 17:30 |
lhinds | gagehugo: all ok for you? | 17:30 |
gagehugo | yup | 17:30 |
lhinds | great, see you all next week ! | 17:31 |
fungi | thanks lhinds! | 17:31 |
lhinds | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 11 17:31:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_project/2018/security_project.2018-01-11-17.03.html | 17:31 |
lhinds | thx fungi | 17:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_project/2018/security_project.2018-01-11-17.03.txt | 17:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_project/2018/security_project.2018-01-11-17.03.log.html | 17:31 |
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