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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 1 15:00:32 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| amito | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hey | 15:00 |
| zhongjun | Hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | I'll skip announcements today and go right into topics because the topics cover the announcements (if that makes sense) | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Rocky PTL | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky PTL (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-January/126767.html | 15:03 |
| bswartz | So all of you who read the ML know that I'm stepping down at PTL | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'm not a candidate for Rocky | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I think I've been PTL 7 (maybe 8) terms and it's long enough | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I guess the most important thing I can say is thank you to everyone in the community who has supported the project, and hopefully my leadership has been okay | 15:05 |
| bswartz | :-) | 15:05 |
| tbarron | well your leadership has been awesome | 15:06 |
| zhongjun | But you still will continue to work on manila? | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | So my term should continue until the end of Queens, and I'll keep running the meetings, finish the release, and make sure the PTG is organized | 15:06 |
| xyang | hi | 15:06 |
| zhongjun | Thanks for all your work over 5 years | 15:06 |
| bswartz | And I'd like to help teach the new PTL the ropes, whoever that may be | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun: yes I intend to remain involved | 15:07 |
| toabctl | bswartz, thanks for being the PTL so long. Well done!! | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | The main think I wanted to mention at this meeting today is that I encourage anyone interested in leadership to nominate themselves for the Rocky term | 15:08 |
| toabctl | bswartz, will manila still be you fulltime job what you get paid for? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Last time I checked, there weren't any nominees, and if the nominating period ends with no nominees, we enter a murky territory where the TC chooses someone | 15:08 |
| markstur | tc can make bswartz lifetime appointment? | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | toabctl: I'm still paid to work on manila, but not full time -- I'm also doing kubernetes work now | 15:09 |
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| ganso | bswartz: the TC may choose anybody or only manila contributors? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | To nominate yourself, add a file to this directory: https://github.com/openstack/election/tree/master/candidates/rocky/Manila | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ganso: honestly I'm not sure how the TC makes that decision -- in the cases I've been in the past, it's been messy | 15:10 |
| bswartz | s/been/seen/ | 15:11 |
| bswartz | Better to avoid that and follow the normal nomination/election process | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'm very committed to helping the new PTL come up to speed, because I care about the fate of the project | 15:11 |
| bswartz | But I'm not a huge fan of the lifetime appointment thing | 15:12 |
| xyang | bswartz: thank you for being a great PTL for so many years! | 15:12 |
| amito | bswartz: thank you! | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Thanks for the kind words | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Please PM me offline if you're interested in leading the project but have any questions or reservations | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Getting back to business... | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #topic RC1 | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/queens-rc1 | 15:14 |
| bswartz | We're a week away from the RC1 target date and we don't really have many bugs to speak of | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Is anyone working on bugs, and they simply haven't been targeted yet? | 15:15 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am | 15:15 |
| bswartz | If not, we could cut the RC as soon as ganso's bug is fixed | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | I have a simple one | 15:16 |
| bswartz | ganso: I see 1 in your name -- are there others? | 15:16 |
| dustins | ganso: They must be the two I added to the etherpad this morning :) | 15:16 |
| ganso | yes, but I would like to discuss the controversy of one before targetting the others | 15:16 |
| bswartz | Okay we can cover specific bugs in the next topic | 15:16 |
| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:junbo85.li%2540gmail.com+status:open | 15:16 |
| tbarron | ^^^ soem of those are in master | 15:16 |
| zhongjun | We also have the bug that it can let ci break | 15:16 |
| bswartz | But I wanted to make it clear that this page is how I decide when to cut the RC, and if there are no open bugs on it, I have to assume it's safe to cut the RC immediately | 15:17 |
| amito | I work on one related to our driver (infinidat), don't know if that counts | 15:17 |
| bswartz | amito: yes, driver bugs are covered by the RC deadline | 15:17 |
| bswartz | either the bug must be fixed before RC1, or we punt it to Rocky | 15:18 |
| bswartz | No bugs may be fixed between RC1 and final release except for bugs discovered after the RC1 tag | 15:18 |
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| amito | bswartz: ok. the patch is already out there | 15:19 |
| bswartz | amito: what matters is the milestone target in LP | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Post a link to the LP bug, and I'll target it right now | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Obviously every change we merge must have a bug number in it at this point (except docs) | 15:20 |
| amito | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746439 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746439 in Manila "INFINIDAT share driver fails to delete shares with snapshots" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Amit Oren (amito) | 15:20 |
| bswartz | Any others to target right now? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | Okay | 15:21 |
| zhongjun | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539406/ ? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | zhongjun: thanks | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535611/ | 15:22 |
| bswartz | So reviewers should focus review on the bugs on that list, and as we get closer to the deadline, we either need to get the fix merged, or untarget the bug if the fix needs more time for whatever reason | 15:22 |
| bswartz | tbarron: already got that one | 15:23 |
| tbarron | bswartz: cool, sorry | 15:23 |
| bswartz | The client bugs will be trickier | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I have yet to create a rc1 milestone for the client | 15:23 |
| bswartz | but there is time to merge fixes to our client too | 15:23 |
| bswartz | Anyone who owns a bug targeted at RC1 can expect pings from me next week as long the bugfixes aren't merged | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Based on history, this list doesn't look very bad | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'm optimistic we can get everything reviewed and merged by early next week, as long as the authors are responsive to review feedback | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Let's move on to dustins' list in case he has some bugs the required discussion | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #topic Let's Go Over New Bugs | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:26 |
| dustins | It's a short one this week, actually, both ones opened in the last day or so | 15:26 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746725 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746725 in Manila "LVM driver is unable to remove addresses in different IP versions belonging to the same interface properly" [Undecided,New] | 15:26 |
| ganso | dustins: I opened them both today | 15:26 |
| ganso | and one of them is the one I would like to discuss | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Ooh they're in red | 15:26 |
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| dustins | ganso: Is it this one or the other one? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | They must be very important | 15:27 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:27 |
| ganso | it is the first one | 15:27 |
| dustins | Okay, cool, take it away, ganso :) | 15:27 |
| ganso | ok so let's talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746725 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746725 in Manila "LVM driver is unable to remove addresses in different IP versions belonging to the same interface properly" [Undecided,New] | 15:27 |
| ganso | I identified a problem in exportfs -u command from nfs library | 15:28 |
| bswartz | Oh yes | 15:28 |
| ganso | or if it is isn't a problem, it is something that the LVM driver is not prepared to handle | 15:28 |
| bswartz | s/nfs library/nfs-utils/ | 15:28 |
| ganso | as it can leave the manila DB in an inconsistent state | 15:28 |
| ganso | in summary: the driver uses exportfs -u to remove rules | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I've been aware of problems with the NFS helper used by the generic and LVM drivers since ocata | 15:29 |
| bswartz | That's the reason I proposed a new helper (NfsExportsHelper) | 15:29 |
| ganso | and when there are 2 rules, one being IPv4 and the other being IPv6, and both relate to the same physical network interface, the exportfs -u removes both rules with when attempting to remove one or the other | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476239/ | 15:29 |
| ganso | so, I am already working on a fix, and the approach I am taking to fix this bug is pretty much the same as bswartz in his NFSHelper | 15:30 |
| ganso | I am using https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/81e708281f6bdeea2dba12eb08cf9c33265e7050/manila/utils.py#L700 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | The main issue with my new helper is that I never found a way to migrate users from one helper to another, making upgrades a possible nightmare | 15:30 |
| ganso | to write back the file with all the rules, except the one removed, after reading it with a cat | 15:31 |
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| ganso | bswartz pointed out a possible disadvantage | 15:32 |
| ganso | of using this approach | 15:32 |
| ganso | if you look closely, this command processes input from the execute command | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso's fix might work, but it builds on an unstable foundation | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: precisely | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'd like to work out a solution to the upgrade problem and then move everyone to the new helper I proposed | 15:33 |
| bswartz | Unfortunately that can't really happen until rocky | 15:33 |
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| ganso | I don't have enough field experience to know all possible consequences of this approach, bswartz feels uneasy about it. I would like to know other community members' take on this or if someone can share more knowledge on the caveats of this approach | 15:34 |
| bswartz | So do we want to commit ganso's fix for queens, or leave this bug unfixed (it only occurs in pretty rare circumstances) | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:34 |
| ganso | if we as a community agree this is not the right solution, and I cannot come up with a better one, I will prefer to punt this to Rocky | 15:34 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: +1 for not fixing? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | if we had lvm driver users broken right now complaining I'd think differently | 15:35 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ack | 15:35 |
| bswartz | k | 15:35 |
| bswartz | ganso: can you live with that? | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes, then I would like to discuss the fix for the share migration bug that we wouldn't be able to test in the gate | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: is that the next bug in the list? | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: no, but this decision impacts that bug | 15:36 |
| dustins | bswartz: Doesn't look like it, I only grabbed bugs that were new and unassigned | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ganso: can you link that bug? | 15:37 |
| ganso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1745436 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1745436 in Manila "Host assisted Share Migration breaks on IPv4+IPv6 backends" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rodrigo Barbieri (rodrigo-barbieri2010) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | Oh this one that's already targeted | 15:37 |
| ganso | so, while fixing that bug, I stumbled across the LVM bug because that's what we use to test in the gate | 15:37 |
| bswartz | As long as the core code works with non-buggy drivers, I think that's good enough for the release | 15:38 |
| bswartz | If we have to mark some tests as skip temporarily, that's okay with me | 15:38 |
| bswartz | (only skip on the buggy drivers) | 15:39 |
| ganso | bswartz: I'd prefer to not take that approach | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: what do you have in mind? | 15:39 |
| ganso | bswartz: I like any other alternative as well, such as having an ipv6-only job, which would still not allow to test IPv4+IPv6 configuration | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: but it would improve coverage and allow this bug to be fixed and 3rd party vendors to be able to use IPv6 in migration (which is blocked right now) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | Okay I'm confused | 15:41 |
| ganso | right now vendors can only use share migration with IPv4 only. They could use it with IPv6-only before we blocked it | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | I want to fix the core issue | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: the LVM driver cannot handle IPv4+IPv6 as it is, so we cannot have a gate job for it | 15:42 |
| bswartz | That doesn't stop us from fixing the underlying problem | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: I don't feel happy about disabling all upstream share migration tests so we can commit this fix, I'd rather stay as we are than do that | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | Me neither -- why couldn't we disable just the versions of the test that will run into trouble? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | Like only the mixed v4/v6 flavors of migration | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok, we would only need to disable it in the LVM driver job | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: scenario job and generic would still run it | 15:44 |
| ganso | (I need to double check that) | 15:44 |
| bswartz | would generic pass or fail? | 15:44 |
| ganso | in theory will pass, as the job is already configured with IPv4 only | 15:44 |
| bswartz | Generic uses the same nfs helper code | 15:44 |
| bswartz | Ok | 15:44 |
| ganso | but I need to double check if it is not disabled | 15:44 |
| ganso | because, when we moved all the important backend jobs to run on the LVM job, we may have disabled them in the other jobs for performance reasons | 15:45 |
| bswartz | We can always verify the fix using yours (or my) fix to the helper, even if neither of those changes are ready to merge for queens | 15:45 |
| ganso | ok | 15:45 |
| ganso | seems like we reached an agreement | 15:45 |
| bswartz | Okay | 15:46 |
| bswartz | there's another bug on dustins' list | 15:46 |
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| ganso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1746723 | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746723 in Manila "LVM driver does not handle IPv6 addresses in recovery mode" [Undecided,New] | 15:46 |
| ganso | that is an easy one | 15:46 |
| ganso | but there is no point in working on that we if don't address the previous one | 15:46 |
| ganso | the recovery mode path is used only by share migration at this moment | 15:47 |
| bswartz | Okay but what is the impact for not fixing this? | 15:47 |
| ganso | and it is not handling IPv6 well. We don't see it in the gate because we are dodging that | 15:47 |
| bswartz | Does it cause problems in ipv6-only scenarios (which should work in theory)? | 15:47 |
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| ganso | bswartz: that IPv6-only scenario has been blocked by our previous IPv6 patch, which allows only IPv4 export locations to be used in share migration | 15:48 |
| bswartz | But that one will be fixed won't it? | 15:48 |
| ganso | bswartz: so unless we unblock that, nobody will hit be able to run IPv6-only migration and will never hit that bug on LVM | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Ugh | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I wish we'd identified these issues earlier, and we could have spend time sorting out the upgrade issues around my new helper patch | 15:49 |
| bswartz | Does anyone else have heartburn about potentially not testing a bunch of ipv6 code paths in the gate? | 15:49 |
| dustins | I mean, IPv6 isn't going away anytime soon, we'll have to test it sooner than later | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: I can fix that bug and unblock IPv6, which will allow IPv6-only scenarios, and we wouldn't be running the tests in the LVM job. So all should work fine in a production cloud, in theory. We wouldn't be preventing anyone from running IPv6-only jobs anymore | 15:50 |
| ganso | s/IPv6-only jobs/IPv6-only migrations | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Okay I like that idea | 15:51 |
| ganso | ok | 15:51 |
| ganso | sounds good | 15:51 |
| bswartz | Any other bugs? | 15:51 |
| ganso | not from me | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #topic Open Discussion | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:52 | |
| dustins | None from me today | 15:52 |
| bswartz | Anything else for today? | 15:52 |
| markstur | bswartz Thank you, Ben! for all you've done as PTL and the making of manila | 15:52 |
| tbarron | +1000 | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I should mention that this is the time in each release when we usually update docs related to changes during the release | 15:53 |
| bswartz | We should make sure that the various API changes that went in have corresponding docs changes | 15:53 |
| bswartz | It's mostly small stuff | 15:54 |
| bswartz | We can revisit that again next week | 15:54 |
| bswartz | Oh and please keep adding topics to the Manila PTG etherpad | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I'll add the topic about the NFS export helper and upgrade issues | 15:55 |
| bswartz | That's all for today | 15:55 |
| bswartz | Thanks everyone | 15:55 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 1 15:55:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-02-01-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-02-01-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-02-01-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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