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| bswartz | tbarron: ping | 15:00 |
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| zhongjun | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 15 15:01:03 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| amito | o/ hey | 15:01 |
| zhongjun | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
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| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight toabctl bswartz ganso | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | Hello all! | 15:02 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| tbarron | I have updated | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| tbarron | for manila project specific deadlines | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Spec freeze is 19 Apr 2018 (23:59 UTC), about a month from now. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Let's get spec reviews moving. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-specs | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Any questions/comments on that? | 15:03 |
| tbarron | OpenStack-wide, the next couple weeks are for Forum Topic Brainstorming. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Please add your ideas to | 15:04 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-manila-brainstorming | 15:04 |
| bswartz | deadlines look reasonable | 15:04 |
| tbarron | And they are what we agreed to at the PTG | 15:04 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| * tbarron passes diablo_rojo_ a cup of coffee | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: we're still on announcements | 15:05 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | tbarron, cool :) | 15:05 |
| tbarron | So let's get some ideas for the Forum other than those I posted. | 15:05 |
| * diablo_rojo_ accepts mug | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | We want operator-facing type ideas. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | ok | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | I sent a (too long) PTG summary to openstack-dev and reflected it here: | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-ptg-summary | 15:06 |
| tbarron | We will be referring to it w.r.t agreements and direction over the cycle so take | 15:06 |
| tbarron | a look and add comments as appropriate with additions, corrections, differences | 15:06 |
| tbarron | in interpretation, etc. | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: perhaps we should forward your email to the operators list, we might have some ideas from there | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: I have to join that list to post | 15:06 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: probably I should join, just have a lot of email | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: finding the email, i'll forward it | 15:07 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 15:07 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: and I will join too in due time | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Finally, it's time to update our cross-project liaison list: | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Take a look and ping me if you are interested in any of these. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | My name is on some of them by default but I'm looking to distribute | 15:07 |
| tbarron | responsibility so don't let that stop you. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | OK, that's it for announcements. | 15:08 |
| tbarron | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:08 |
| tbarron | #topic StoryBoard | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: your're up! | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Wonderful :) | 15:08 |
| diablo_rojo_ | So following up on our conversation at the PTG | 15:09 |
| diablo_rojo_ | I went through each of Manila's 4 launchpad repos and ran test migrations of each one | 15:09 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | They all completed successfully without any issue so it looks like Manila is good to go | 15:09 |
| dustins | diablo_rojo_: We're migrating from launchpad?! What for? | 15:10 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Next step is, if you are all comfortable, to pick a date to do the migration and push your project config change (its only a few lines). | 15:10 |
| zhongjun | diablo_rojo_: 4 launchpad? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | dustins: the community has been planning to ditch LP for years | 15:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | dustins, many reasons :) | 15:10 |
| dustins | bswartz: They have? To what end? | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | diablo_rojo_: how do I search for issues created by myself | 15:11 |
| diablo_rojo_ | How many blogposts do you want to read? | 15:11 |
| dustins | diablo_rojo_: A few at least :) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #reasons | 15:11 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | Click on the advanced search icon and search for your name | 15:11 |
| bswartz | There is no advanced search icon on the search page :( | 15:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Or, if they are ones you made, they will also appear on your dashboard when you sign in until they are completed | 15:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | The magifying glass is the advanced search | 15:12 |
| dustins | I'm just surprised that this is the first I've heard of this migration and the ire toward Launchpad | 15:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | the little search box is a quick search | 15:12 |
| diablo_rojo_ | dustins, I've written several emails to the dev list, proposed it as a release goal and the TC just started using it for tracking release goals. | 15:13 |
| xyang | diablo_rojo: can you put a link here for storyboard? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | diablo_rojo_: the magnifying glass does nothing when I click it | 15:13 |
| diablo_rojo_ | dustins, we've already migrated about a half a dozen projects. | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 15:13 |
| xyang | thanks | 15:13 |
| bswartz | but the dashboard does show some open issues created by me | 15:13 |
| * dustins must be way outta the loop | 15:13 | |
| dustins | :) | 15:13 |
| diablo_rojo_ | Ironic is about a week and a half out from their own migration :) | 15:13 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | bswartz, it should bring you to a different search page | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | manila has some test stories and tasks :) https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/search?q=manila&title=manila | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000726 | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | !! | 15:14 |
| openstack | bswartz: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | real problem | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: there were some real issues that the cinder folks raised about the rendering of info from launchpad | 15:16 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: your import tests don't check for those, right? | 15:16 |
| diablo_rojo_ | dustins, https://storyboard-blog.io/why-storyboard-for-openstack.html | 15:16 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | tbarron, can you jog my memory? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | diablo_rojo_: I still can't find advanced search -- but I'm gratified that many of the issues I raised last year have been addressed | 15:17 |
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| dustins | diablo_rojo_: Thanks! I'll have a read | 15:17 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: plaintext got rendered as markup, so code with *token turned to bold token, etc. | 15:17 |
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| diablo_rojo_ | bswartz, lol well it doesn't explicitly say 'Advanced Search' but the magnifying glass is the advanced search | 15:18 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: I don't want to dawdle on this, but probably we need to see the | 15:18 |
| bswartz | diablo_rojo_: clicking the magnifying glass does nothing in Chromium and Firefox | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | actual import results at some point rather than just relying on lack of errror being thrown in the import | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_ | tbarron, got it. I can look into that today and get back to you. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Althought that's an important result!!! | 15:18 |
| diablo_rojo_ | unless SotK is here and can help me out :) | 15:19 |
| vkmc | we would need some time to get familiar with it and start dealing with this usability stuff :) | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_ | bswartz, I'm using firefox and it works for me :) | 15:19 |
| * SotK reads backscroll | 15:19 | |
| tbarron | Especially since we have quite a number of launchpads that got merged. | 15:19 |
| diablo_rojo_ | tbarron, once I get access to the storyboard-dev db I can run test migrations into there and it will be easier to peruse the effect of the migration | 15:20 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: SotK so I think it makes sense to: | 15:20 |
| SotK | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/search is "advanced search", the magnifying glass in question being the one in the sidebar | 15:20 |
| tbarron | (1) get the issues that the cinder folks raised resolved, we will have them too | 15:20 |
| SotK | though I think searching for your name there will only show stories you are assigned to a task in | 15:20 |
| tbarron | (2) after that, get a sandbox where folks like dustin (our bug czar) can play | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | If we do #2 before #1 then you are just going to hear a lot of the same old stuff over again. | 15:21 |
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| dustins | tbarron: Yes, please :) | 15:22 |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: SotK: does that make sense? | 15:22 |
| diablo_rojo_ | tbarron, works for me | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | + request, can a link to the docs be added to the UI somewhere | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | suppose it is https://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/ | 15:22 |
| SotK | those issues being names not numbers in project URLs and imported descriptions being interpreted as markdown when they likely aren't? | 15:22 |
| diablo_rojo_ | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/gui/manual.html | 15:23 |
| diablo_rojo_ | gouthamr, ^ | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | oh, that's better! | 15:23 |
| diablo_rojo_ | :) | 15:23 |
| tbarron | SotK: and I think there was an issue about newline rendering as well?? | 15:23 |
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| SotK | yep, that is part of the markdown bit | 15:23 |
| tbarron | SotK: basically, if cinder or another team has said "this is a blocker for us" then | 15:23 |
| SotK | makes sense | 15:24 |
| tbarron | SotK: probably it's efficient to solve those before asking another team to | 15:24 |
| tbarron | SotK: consider merging, you'll just have more of the same reasons for why we won't do it yet | 15:24 |
| tbarron | OK, diablo_rojo_ SotK we'll schedule another slot when you ping me indicating we're ready to do sandbox | 15:25 |
| tbarron | Thanks for the great work so far!! | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | thanks diablo_rojo_ SotK | 15:25 |
| SotK | yw :) | 15:25 |
| * tbarron checks the agenda b/c he thinks it was being revised, sec | 15:25 | |
| diablo_rojo_ | Thanks tbarron :) | 15:26 |
| tbarron | #topic How to update the content that's in the tempest scenario tests spec? | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "How to update the content that's in the tempest scenario tests spec? (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:26 | |
| tbarron | diablo_rojo_: yw | 15:26 |
| tbarron | vkmc: take it away! | 15:26 |
| vkmc | hey all | 15:26 |
| vkmc | so, we were talking today with some folks working on scenario tests for manila | 15:27 |
| vkmc | I don't see them here, but there are few patch sets of them in gerrit | 15:27 |
| vkmc | not many people reviewed those patch sets... so the discussion on the requirement to track that work on some sort of doc came up | 15:27 |
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| vkmc | basically they were following this spec to complete the missing work | 15:28 |
| vkmc | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila-specs/blob/master/specs/ocata/scenario-tests.rst | 15:28 |
| vkmc | and also, they want to add a few more scenario tests that correspond to new features in manila | 15:28 |
| bswartz | vkmc: very cool | 15:29 |
| vkmc | so, one of the ideas that came up was to do as other projects are doing and have a non-dependent branch location for specs | 15:29 |
| vkmc | so they actually extend that spec that was proposed in the first place | 15:29 |
| vkmc | and add the work they are doing | 15:29 |
| vkmc | we are not sure if that is the right approach | 15:29 |
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| vkmc | another option would be to add some docs on scenario tests in the main documentation | 15:30 |
| vkmc | but having some place to store specs that actually are not for a release in particular sounded good... since there are a few features that might benefit from this | 15:30 |
| bswartz | vkmc: IMO we don't need specs for every new test case | 15:30 |
| vkmc | what do you guys think? | 15:30 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:30 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov went a bit overboard here in terms of detail | 15:30 |
| bswartz | It's good to have the details somewhere, they didn't need to be in the spec | 15:31 |
| tbarron | bswartz: do we need natural language description of the tests? a test plan? or is that too pedantic? | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | That's what vponomaryov gave us here | 15:31 |
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| amito | this could be generated from the test docstrings as well. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | dustins: you do test plans ... what do you think? | 15:32 |
| zhongjun | Is there any strong reason to add those new tests in a spec? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | It's a helpful thing to have, if the person designing the tests and writing the tests are not the same person | 15:32 |
| bswartz | If the person designing the tests just writes them, then the test code serves as the spec | 15:32 |
| tbarron | maybe amito's idea plust gerrit review is sufficient | 15:32 |
| vkmc | not in a new specs... we wanted to extend https://github.com/openstack/manila-specs/blob/master/specs/ocata/scenario-tests.rst and put it in some place that actually reflects that the work on scenario tests is updating all the time | 15:33 |
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| amito | when it comes as part of the test docstring it's more easy to read for someone who's adding to the code. IMHO, a reference should also be available on the proper docs, though. | 15:33 |
| bswartz | In this case I think we asked vponomaryov to go deep on designing new tests, without asking him to actually write all of them (because writing a test takes a order of magnitude more effort) | 15:33 |
| bswartz | The goal was to get a sense of how deep a hole we were in on scenario testing | 15:33 |
| dustins | tbarron: Hmmm, maybe the doctext of the tests themselves would be a good place for them | 15:34 |
| dustins | Could also justify somewhere in the Manila docs, or a "constant" spec | 15:34 |
| tbarron | bswartz: since the tests weren't being written yet docstring approach wasn't feasible at the time | 15:34 |
| tbarron | not all the tests were being written yet | 15:35 |
| bswartz | IMO having test plans written down is great, but it doesn't matter much where they are -- as long as they eventually get turned into code and the person writing that code can find the plans | 15:35 |
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| tbarron | Maybe having a release-independent specs area makes sense in any case. | 15:35 |
| tbarron | We could move specs there after approval that will need updates. | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: +1 | 15:36 |
| vkmc | tbarron, +1 | 15:36 |
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| vkmc | thanks for the feedback | 15:37 |
| dustins | Oooh, good idea | 15:37 |
| tbarron | we don't have to insist that every new test case necessarily requires a spec update though | 15:37 |
| tbarron | if in review docstrings, etc. make it all clear | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | that is, we don't want to insist on process for its own sake | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | nir wanted to make a spec correction in this case so that solves his case | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | Anything else on this one? | 15:38 |
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| vkmc | not from me | 15:39 |
| bswartz | So we will move this one to a release independent place and then update it there? | 15:39 |
| dustins | Sounds good to me | 15:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yup, what's the directive for #agree or whatever? | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | it's #agreed | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I think | 15:40 |
| tbarron | #agreed we will set up a release independent section of the specs repo | 15:40 |
| tbarron | we'll try that | 15:40 |
| tbarron | #topic New Bugs | 15:41 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:41 |
| tbarron | dschoenb: this one is yours! | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:41 | |
| dustins | tbarron: Thanks! | 15:41 |
| dustins | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1631314 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1631314 in Manila "Tempest test "test_promote_out_of_sync_share_replica" is concurrency-prone" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Goutham Pacha Ravi (gouthamr) | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | grrr, this one :/ | 15:42 |
| dustins | I'm focusing on Tempest and Concurrency stuff this week | 15:42 |
| dustins | gouthamr: hehehe | 15:42 |
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| gouthamr | dustins: this one has a back-story. We didn't conclude on how to fix it yet, i'll be glad to un-assign myself if someone wants to take a look at this | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | the test itself is expecting something the APIs weren't designed for | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | dustins: gouthamr: take a look at the last comment, there's someone who wants to work on this | 15:43 |
| dustins | at least they did a couple of months ago :) | 15:43 |
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| gouthamr | :( didn't notice that.. | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | i'll respond | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: cool, it might not be the most gentle intro to manila so you'd want to be involved in any case | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | yep | 15:44 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:44 |
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| tbarron | dustins: next bug? | 15:45 |
| dustins | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1477547 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477547 in Manila "manila 'cover' tox job shows different results after reruns" [Low,Confirmed] | 15:45 |
| tbarron | dustins: I think that should be fixed. I didn't know about this bug when I made the change. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | dustins: I"ll update this one. | 15:46 |
| dustins | w00t | 15:46 |
| dustins | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1479174 | 15:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479174 in Manila "Lock required in delete share/snapshot" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Madhu Mohan Nelemane (mmohan-9) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | wow super old bug | 15:48 |
| dustins | bswartz: Indeed | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | this is an RFE, and it was part of a bug squash in Germany | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | iirc | 15:48 |
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| gouthamr | and the reasoning was that locks exist in cinder :P | 15:48 |
| bswartz | from 2015... | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I don't see actual incorrect behavior being demonstrated here | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | However it's possible that there's still a bug | 15:49 |
| tbarron | Do we still have the races? | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: yes we do.. | 15:49 |
| zhongjun | I think so | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | the case here is probably when the API requests come in concurrently | 15:50 |
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| gouthamr | because the "deleting" status in the snapshot should block subsequent requests | 15:51 |
| tbarron | It's too bad the patch was abandoned as it seemed close to merge and was getting review attention. | 15:51 |
| tbarron | dustins: would you start a concurrency-but etherpad and put this one on it? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | dustins: nm, I"ll do it | 15:53 |
| dustins | tbarron: okay! | 15:53 |
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| tbarron | We'll keep a list of open issues at least. | 15:53 |
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| tbarron | Don't think we can dispose of this one immediately. | 15:53 |
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| tbarron | dustins: any more for today? | 15:54 |
| dustins | One more for today | 15:55 |
| dustins | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1490909 | 15:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490909 in Manila "Tempest Scenario tests do not respect config opts" [Medium,New] | 15:55 |
| bswartz | We've changed how we handle these kinds of opts over time | 15:55 |
| bswartz | It's possible this bug is no longer accurate | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I think the important thing is that tempest has options to support the cases we actually care about, and we should remove anything that's not relevant | 15:56 |
| tbarron | yeah, like we don't run ip access tests against cert backends, etc. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | In particular, we specifically don't support user rules for NFS and IP rules for CIFS (although we tried to in the past) | 15:57 |
| tbarron | can we mark this one no longer valid and close it? | 15:57 |
| tbarron | There might be residual issues but if so they should have new bugs. | 15:57 |
| bswartz | IMO we should actually remove the now-useless tempest options | 15:57 |
| dustins | +1000000 | 15:57 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: +1 but we don't need this bug to do that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | And if a use case comes up that requires something similar, then add the options specifically for that case | 15:58 |
| tbarron | k, we have two minutes, dustins anything else? | 15:58 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:58 | |
| dustins | Nope! I'm good! | 15:59 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:59 |
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| tbarron | 1.5 minutes | 15:59 |
| tbarron | OK, if we have anything let's take it to #openstack-manila | 15:59 |
| tbarron | Thanks all!!! | 15:59 |
| bswartz | since this is the first meeting since PTG | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'd like to say the PTG went really great | 15:59 |
| amito | +1 | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bswartz: agree | 16:00 |
| dustins | Hoping I can make the next one :) | 16:00 |
| xyang | +1 | 16:00 |
| bswartz | Thanks to those that attended and to the staff who rescued the event when #snowpenstack nearly ruined it | 16:00 |
| zhongjun | +1 | 16:00 |
| xyang | the remote session is great | 16:00 |
| tbarron | xyang: you made it worthwhile! | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | with dustins on that one. Hope I can make it to the next one | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 16:00:48 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-15-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-15-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-15-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| xyang | tbarron: thanks! | 16:00 |
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| vkmc | <bswartz> I'd like to say the PTG went really great <- +1 | 16:10 |
| vkmc | better late than never | 16:10 |
| vkmc | got some meeting overlap | 16:10 |
| vkmc | thanks all :) | 16:10 |
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