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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 22 14:58:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 14:58 |
| amito | 2 min early :-o | 14:58 |
| amito | hello o/ | 14:58 |
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| * tbarron has to fix his clock | 14:59 | |
| gouthamr | o/ | 14:59 |
| tbarron | again | 14:59 |
| amito | ntp? | 14:59 |
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| tbarron | it's supposed to be running | 14:59 |
| dustins_ | \o | 14:59 |
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| dustins | \o | 14:59 |
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| zhongjun_ | hi | 14:59 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight toabctl bswartz ganso | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi all | 15:00 |
| tbarron | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:01 |
| bswartz | tbarron: your clock doesn't have ntp? | 15:01 |
| tbarron | bswartz: it's supposed to, i was going to fix it last week and something or other came up | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | I don't have any except that spec freeze is about 3 weeks out, will return to that in a bit | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Anyone else have any announcements? | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | ok, moving on | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic Summit | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | Who is planning on attending? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | Sadly I'm not | 15:03 |
| tbarron | I need to provide a more final update to the program folks on | 15:03 |
| tpsilva | me and erlon | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I would like to see Vancouver again | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Project Update and Onboarding sessions. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I would like to see you in Vancouver! | 15:04 |
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| dustins | tbarron: I'll be there | 15:04 |
| tbarron | dustins: cool! | 15:04 |
| amito | I'll check with my team leader, but probably not | 15:04 |
| tbarron | tpsilva: awesome | 15:04 |
| vkmc | not entirely sure yet, might be there :) | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Anyone want to help with Project Update or Onboarding sessions? | 15:05 |
| ganso | I'm not | 15:05 |
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| dustins | tbarron: If I'm available, I'd love to help out with onboarding sessions | 15:05 |
| tbarron | vkmc: I think I'll put you down to help with Onboarding if you don't object. | 15:05 |
| * vkmc signs up for onboarding | 15:05 | |
| vkmc | lol | 15:05 |
| tbarron | dustins: kk, excellent | 15:05 |
| vkmc | no objections, I'd love to | 15:05 |
| bswartz | gouthamr helped with those things in Sydney | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | and vkmc and ganso | 15:06 |
| tbarron | ganso :( | 15:06 |
| tbarron | OK, I've got some folks to chat with on this one I think. | 15:06 |
| bswartz | The curse of limited budgets for travel... | 15:06 |
| tbarron | Also w.r.t. Summiet, please add ideas to | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-manila-brainstorming | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Summit is for "external" contact with customers and operators | 15:07 |
| tbarron | and the Forum dedicated for operator/developer planning | 15:07 |
| tbarron | I'd like to see that work better :) | 15:08 |
| tbarron | Anything more on Summit? | 15:08 |
| zhongjun_ | Sadly I'm not too | 15:08 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: :( | 15:08 |
| tbarron | #topic Spec Reviews | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | as mentioned, freeze is 19 April | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | Please take a look at: | 15:09 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-specs | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | The "reviewers" lines show people who have made comments thus far. | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | Or who have put themselves down indicating serious intent. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | We aim for a consensus on reviews, but we need early engagement. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | By active cores and non-cores. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | (hint about path to core there) | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | i think i can sign up for more in a week.. dealing with some non-openstack work stuff at the moment :( | 15:11 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ack | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Note that we have a spec proposal there that we did not discuss | 15:12 |
| tbarron | at PTG: | 15:12 |
| tbarron | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553662/ | 15:12 |
| tbarron | This one seems to me to be a good idea but there may be some | 15:12 |
| tbarron | backwards-compatability issues to discuss. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Or we may decide that where response codes would change | 15:13 |
| tbarron | it's because we have bugs. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Let's drive that conversation early rather than getting | 15:13 |
| tbarron | deadlocked on it at the last minute. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | manila is behind the other projects in terms of doing jscon schema validation | 15:14 |
| tbarron | (assuming we agree that it's a good idea) so it would be | 15:14 |
| tbarron | really good to make progress on that issue this cycle. | 15:14 |
| tbarron | Also, if anyone knows the spec contributor I'd like to | 15:14 |
| tbarron | reach out to him - it's a well written spec. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | Woah this looks like possibly good stuff | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | There's a good chance of breakage if we do this ^ | 15:16 |
| bswartz | But it would be exposing of already-broken things | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: agree on both statements | 15:16 |
| tbarron | actuall with all three | 15:16 |
| tbarron | and you see why I think we want to review/talk through these issues early :) | 15:17 |
| tbarron | Next on specs, do we want to have a dedicated review day the | 15:17 |
| tbarron | way nova is? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Spec review day? | 15:18 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128575.html | 15:18 |
| bswartz | Interesting | 15:18 |
| tbarron | They also have M1 spec freeze ... | 15:18 |
| tbarron | If we can make good progress maybe we don't need one. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | The built in assumption seems to be that everyone is awake at the same time -- which is harder with TZ differences | 15:19 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:19 |
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| ganso | not sure if it makes sense, as the spec text needs to be fixed to be merged, sometimes it takes time to do that | 15:19 |
| zhongjun_ | It's a good idea if everyone agrees | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Why don't we see what we can get done in the next week and | 15:20 |
| tbarron | if we aren't making sufficient progress we'll return to the topic. | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | The threat of an extra meeting often gets work done. | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | #topic Fostering contribution to upstream manila | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fostering contribution to upstream manila (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:21 | |
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| tbarron | I bring this topic up after reading | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21040/building-nfs-service-based-on-manila-and-glusterfs-in-public-cloud | 15:21 |
| tbarron | Please take a look. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | This looks like awesome work!! | 15:22 |
| tbarron | But so far as I can tell it's not in upstream open source manila :( | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Anyone know what "SPF" is? | 15:22 |
| tbarron | The glusterfs drivers fail gate. | 15:22 |
| bswartz | Oh single point of failure | 15:22 |
| tbarron | And we have open HA issues, not solved. | 15:22 |
| tbarron | SPF=SPOF | 15:23 |
| tbarron | or == | 15:23 |
| tbarron | rather | 15:23 |
| tbarron | So there was a discussion about this one in #openstack-tc | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | whose outcome was that we are going to try to reach out to the speakers | 15:23 |
| tbarron | for this talk | 15:23 |
| bswartz | What was the general feeling of that discussion? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Are we not being welcoming enough as a community? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | and see if we can work with them to get this contributed to manila proper | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: well, that is a really good question, and it was raised. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | We don | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Is the work in open source anywhere? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | We don't know *why* this work is being done as a fork or where it really lives. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | The great thing about open source is that both push and pull models work for getting code from contributors into upstream projects | 15:25 |
| tbarron | So if anyone has insight or knows these folks please ping me and help us | 15:25 |
| tbarron | reach out. | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: right | 15:25 |
| bswartz | Well if the work isn't open source at all, then there's a different problem | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | http://lists.gluster.org/pipermail/gluster-devel/2017-June/053001.html | 15:26 |
| amito | tbarron: I guess it's probably easier for them and this way they have shorter development-cycles, than having to wait for openstack reviews/gates to push each new feature | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | in this email, they say they intend to push changes: "The enhancement of manila patches would be sent to upsteam later." | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: awesome, that's a good sign. | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | The apache license allows people to do what they want and not share code, but the decision to not share code is often a misguided business decision | 15:27 |
| tbarron | amito: yeah, that's always a consideration. So we have a challenge how | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Yeah I hope they eventually share it | 15:27 |
| tbarron | to help people not get discouraged, etc. | 15:28 |
| tbarron | OK, just wanted to let you folks know that we'll be reaching out, etc. etc. | 15:28 |
| tbarron | Any more on this one now? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | #topic New Bugs | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | dustins: you're up | 15:29 |
| dustins | tbarron: I've got nothing this week, unfortunately | 15:29 |
| tbarron | dustins: kk, thanks | 15:29 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:30 |
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| ganso | I have a very brief topic | 15:30 |
| tbarron | ganso: that's what you think :) | 15:31 |
| tbarron | ? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | s/brief/long/ | 15:31 |
| amito | O.o | 15:31 |
| ganso | at the PTG we briefly discussed if manage/unmanage for DHSS=True was generally a good idea | 15:31 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:31 |
| ganso | we all agreed it would be a nice feature to have | 15:31 |
| tbarron | ganso: yeah, that's an easy one | 15:31 |
| ganso | so I did a little more thinking on that | 15:31 |
| ganso | and we currently have manage/unmanage as a required feature for DHSS=False drivers | 15:32 |
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| ganso | and (I believe) all current DHSS=False drivers implement that | 15:32 |
| ganso | so it is a feature accross the board, in DHSS=False | 15:32 |
| ganso | assuming manage/unmanage in DHSS=True gets implemented in the core | 15:32 |
| ganso | we would need to deal with the situation of not all drivers having it working | 15:33 |
| ganso | like, driver maintainers would need to implement that or we would need to make it optional | 15:33 |
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| gouthamr | manage is optional | 15:33 |
| tbarron | gouthamr is trying to make ganso honest about 'brief' | 15:34 |
| ganso | gouthamr: hmm so if the driver does not support that, we just error out when the user clicks the button? | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | users shouldn't be able to manage shares by our conception | 15:34 |
| bswartz | The way it's been handled in the past is that we would give drivers a deadline to get it implemented or threaten removing the driver -- we no longer threaten to remove drivers for any reason though, so we don't have a way to force the work to get done | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | manage/unmanage is "admin_api" by default | 15:35 |
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| ganso | oh ok, since it is an admin API we don't really care about returning an error because the admin knows the backends | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | yeah, hopefully administrators would consult the feature support matrix in this case | 15:36 |
| ganso | oh ok, it is not a problem then, we won't need to handle drivers that don't implement this | 15:36 |
| ganso | tbarron: haha brief it was then =) | 15:36 |
| tbarron | ganso: nice | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | i checked if we added a user message to manage_existing, we haven't | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | although i would have liked it, bswartz will remind me "user" messages aren't meant for admins | 15:37 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: that's just what I was going to say | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | :P you PTLs | 15:37 |
| tbarron | moving along then, I want to mention that vkmc is cleaning up manila-ui for python3 | 15:38 |
| tbarron | and it's a bit messy | 15:38 |
| tbarron | vkmc: ^^^? | 15:38 |
| vkmc | yes... so, adding more details to that | 15:38 |
| ganso | tbarron: horizon hasn't been made fully compatible with python3 yet AFAIK | 15:38 |
| vkmc | ganso, errors are on our side | 15:39 |
| ganso | vkmc: oh :O | 15:39 |
| vkmc | in fact, py27 env tests are passing, but not without warnings | 15:39 |
| vkmc | in py35 they directly fail | 15:39 |
| tbarron | our friend zigo is shipping debian with python3 support only and he claims that | 15:40 |
| dustins | And fail in spectacular fashion :) | 15:40 |
| vkmc | I'm trying to fix part of the test data we are using, since it seems to require some updates | 15:40 |
| tbarron | only manila-ui is broken, the rest of openstack is fine :( | 15:40 |
| vkmc | yeah... recursive loop included | 15:40 |
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| vkmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552121/ | 15:41 |
| vkmc | this work is being done here ^ | 15:41 |
| vkmc | thanks amito for all your reviews | 15:41 |
| amito | vkmc: np. | 15:41 |
| vkmc | we need to enable the py35 job for manila-ui as well | 15:41 |
| vkmc | something I'll do after I finish fixing the tests :) | 15:42 |
| tbarron | Anyways, I wanted to highlight this work so that it can get review | 15:42 |
| vkmc | thanks tbarron | 15:42 |
| tbarron | attention (thanks amito !) and insightful suggestions. | 15:42 |
| tbarron | vkmc: thanks for your work on this! | 15:42 |
| amito | :) | 15:42 |
| tbarron | dustins and thank you for reviewing/testing it | 15:42 |
| tbarron | OK, anything else for today? | 15:43 |
| vkmc | yes, thanks dustins :) | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Three ... | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Two ... | 15:43 |
| tbarron | One ... | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Thanks all!!!! Let's do spec reviews :) | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 22 15:44:18 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-22-14.58.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-22-14.58.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-03-22-14.58.log.html | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ty | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tbarron: already reviewed the spec | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tbarron: don't forget to fix your ntp settings | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ;-) | 15:44 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ack, ty!! | 15:44 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:45 |
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