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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 5 15:01:22 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight toabctl bswartz ganso | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | markstur! | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Let's wait a couple more minutes. | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | o/ \o | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | :P o/ | 15:02 |
| vgreen | present and accounted for, sir! | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| tbarron | Folks please welcome vgreen, vince green, to the manila community! | 15:03 |
| ganso | vgreen: welcome! =) | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | welcome vgreen :) | 15:03 |
| zhongjun_ | vgreen: welcome! | 15:03 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | you'll find we're so awesome, you'll never do anything else~! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Vince is working with Dustin now as a quality engineer. | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | I'm on PTO, can't stay for the whole meeting | 15:04 |
| tbarron | He has a background with vmware among many other things. | 15:04 |
| vgreen | thanks for the welcome, looking forward to contributing! | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Dustin is on PTO till Monday so we won't have our usual bug czar agenda item today. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:05 |
| tbarron | let's do this one first since we want Ben's input | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #topic stable policy changes | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable policy changes (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916 | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552733/ | 15:06 |
| tbarron | These TC resolutions have merged. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | What do we need to do here? | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Please read them so we can discuss and settle - probably next week - how we want to do our stable/branch policy going forwards. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | They are leaving a lot of leeway to individual projects as to how long each project wants to maintain stable branches. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | It seems like an evolution on the right direction, why do we need to do anything? | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | And driverfixes branches will go away. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | We already have effectively the same thing, unless I'm missing something | 15:08 |
| tbarron | We can put other stuff than just driverfixes in the stable/branches and keep them alive longer. | 15:08 |
| bswartz | But then the stable branches would just become what the driverfixes branches were, right? | 15:08 |
| tbarron | We'll need to test them. | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | Well, driverfixes were just for *driver* fixes. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | We can do other important fixes. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | not just security and *critical* | 15:09 |
| tbarron | but we shouldn't just gratuitously backport either | 15:09 |
| bswartz | So it's even more liberal | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I have no problem with that | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: as I read it, yes | 15:10 |
| tbarron | but we' | 15:10 |
| ganso | tbarron: I am not sure I got the message that the cinder folks were going to do away with the driverfixes branch. If so, it would be more effort to maintain branches older than 18 months | 15:10 |
| tbarron | we'll need to keep gate working better than we do sometimes on the stable/branches | 15:10 |
| tbarron | ganso: cinder proposal for ocata/driverfixes was blocked b/c of this stuff so | 15:11 |
| tbarron | perhaps there is an ongoing discussion | 15:11 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes, because driverfixes/ocata would not be older than 18 months | 15:11 |
| tbarron | maybe not all the dust has settled yet, but I wanted to give people a heads up | 15:11 |
| ganso | tbarron: but driverfixes/newton is | 15:11 |
| tbarron | ganso: right, this only goes back to ocata I think | 15:11 |
| tbarron | but I think ocata can stay stable longer than 18 months going forwards | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | in terms of maintenance, we've so far run tempest tests on stable branches, so we can adopt the policy of not running them when devstack/tempest breaks badly? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I think as a community we've always been willing and wanting to maintain super old branches | 15:12 |
| tbarron | please check me on that, I wil re-read myself | 15:12 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes, it would fall into extended maintenance. On the bits that allow individual projects to change the rules a bit, I think here we would need to make a decision | 15:12 |
| bswartz | The problem in the past was community policy and what infra was willing to take care of | 15:12 |
| tbarron | right, and now we have freedom with which will come some additional responsibilty | 15:13 |
| tbarron | so everyone please read the resolutions and let's discuss again next week if that's OK | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Sorry that wasn't clear -- the manila community is willing to maintain older branches -- the larger community has been the problem in the past | 15:13 |
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| gouthamr | " Some OpenStack CI testing *may* be available via `Zuul drivers` " | 15:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's what I understood you to be saying | 15:14 |
| tbarron | #topic failing jobs in gate | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "failing jobs in gate (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:14 | |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557062/ | 15:14 |
| tbarron | horizon borked us | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | or if we ask horizon, we were using hacked up code to access internal interfaces | 15:15 |
| tbarron | in any case we need to get manila ui fixed | 15:15 |
| tbarron | vkmc is working on this one with akhihiro from horizon | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | But additional eyes on this review would be appreciated. | 15:16 |
| tbarron | There are still some outstandiing issues. | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | Otherwise, I'm still looking for people who know the gluster back end so we can get the glusternfs job working again. | 15:17 |
| vkmc | yeah... this is perhaps just the tip of the iceberg though... we may need to give some love to the ui | 15:17 |
| tbarron | I know *some* of why it's failing, but if you know anyone using gluster with manila (like China Telecom) and they'd like to help, please introduce me. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | vkmc: +1000 | 15:18 |
| tbarron | so django + manila-interest as well | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Otherwise, we have some third party CI that always fail too :) | 15:19 |
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| tbarron | I want to float the idea of making a periodic nightly job that is just a null-change | 15:19 |
| tbarron | in manila and in manila-ui (once the latter is fixed) | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: periodic upstream job? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | So we can make reports that show which jobs are running, which are skipping, and which are failing on even null changes. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yes | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: awesome.. that'd be a great addition. I can help | 15:20 |
| tbarron | Nova has proposed adding a LOG.warning in back ends that aren't tested or that always fail. | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | So think whether that would be an appropriate approach. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | We don't need to decide today. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | Any more on this topic? | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | #topic spec reviews | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "spec reviews (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:22 | |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-specs | 15:22 |
| tbarron | We have three specs open and two weeks till freeze. | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | I'm the only core who has reviewed | 15:23 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553662/ | 15:23 |
| tbarron | I just put a +2 on it, partly to force the "backwards compatability" issue | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | this is a proposal to do json schema validation for manila apis the way it is done for other projects | 15:24 |
| tbarron | I think it's a great idea but as you'll see in the spec we are | 15:24 |
| tbarron | not returning proper responses in some circumstances today. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | My POV is that in these cases we are in error and these are bugs so | 15:24 |
| tbarron | there is no backwards compatability issue. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | But we need other reviewers, and especially other cores to review and weigh in. | 15:25 |
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| tbarron | I don't want to have a last minute argument about this. | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | +1, i agree with you - will complete my review today | 15:25 |
| tbarron | So ganso bswartz xyang markstur toabctl please look at this one soon | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 15:26 |
| tbarron | did I forget anyone to nag :) ? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552935 | 15:26 |
| tbarron | bswartz had to run off to the zoo with his family but at PTL he strongly endorsed this idea and said he'd | 15:27 |
| tbarron | help shepherd it through so I will nag him when he gets back :) | 15:27 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Do you know who will going to implement this spec? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_ good question, I take it you aren't planning on doing that this cycle? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: or do you mean the jquery validation? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: for the latter I was *assuming* the author but please do ask that in review if it doesn't explicitly state that :) | 15:28 |
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| zhongjun_ | Oh, I mean the API Jason spec | 15:29 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: right, and you have a Primary assignee section in your spec. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: so it would be appropriate to ask for such a section in the jquery validation spec | 15:30 |
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| zhongjun_ | I will implement my spec in this cycle | 15:31 |
| tbarron | So my sense is that the api access rule spec is coming along pretty well. Anyone have reservations about it at this point? | 15:31 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: :) | 15:31 |
| tbarron | Of course still put remarks in review still, I'm just checking on progress. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | OK, how about the metadata for access rule spec? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551106/ | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | I still don't believe that these would be /action APIs on the share resource | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | i'll respond to zhongjun_'s responses on my last review | 15:34 |
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| zhongjun_ | Thanks | 15:34 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: please do, let's advance any serious disagreements ASAP so we're not tryinng to settle them at the last minute | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:34 |
| zhongjun_ | Because we don’t have access resource | 15:34 |
| tbarron | It would be great to have all serious issues resolved by this time next week so that | 15:35 |
| tbarron | the final week can be mostly a matter of cleanup, word usage fixes, etc. | 15:35 |
| tbarron | Anything else on specs today? | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun_: i'll make a suggestion in the review | 15:35 |
| zhongjun_ | gouthamr: good | 15:36 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:36 | |
| gouthamr | i've an announcement | 15:36 |
| tbarron | ? | 15:36 |
| * gouthamr that always sounds dramatic | 15:37 | |
| vgreen | lol | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | i've changed jobs | 15:37 |
| tbarron | well, you got married | 15:37 |
| ganso | lol | 15:37 |
| tbarron | so now you have a new reporting relationship | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | and unlike many such announcements on this channel before, this actually means I'll be doing more manila work :D | 15:38 |
| markstur | been a big year for Goutham | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | haha, thanks guys. you're the best to see me through this/ese big transition/s | 15:38 |
| zhongjun_ | lol | 15:39 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, \o/ | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | i now work at Red Hat, and so the downside is, can't +2/+W anything tbarron +2s | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | daarn | 15:39 |
| tbarron | he always -1ed me anyways | 15:40 |
| markstur | the upside is the fedora? | 15:40 |
| tbarron | but I'm really happy that we've figured a way to keep goutham working on manila! | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | hahaha yes.. :) | 15:40 |
| * tbarron shovels even more work his way | 15:41 | |
| tbarron | Anything else for today? | 15:42 |
| tbarron | three | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | two | 15:42 |
| tbarron | you can't do that | 15:42 |
| tbarron | two | 15:42 |
| ganso | lol | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | haha | 15:42 |
| tbarron | one | 15:42 |
| tbarron | OK thanks everybody! | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | thank you \o | 15:43 |
| tbarron | See you in #openstack-manila !! | 15:43 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 5 15:43:28 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-05-15.01.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-05-15.01.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-05-15.01.log.html | 15:43 |
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