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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 9 14:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Good UGT morning, everyone! Who's here today? | 14:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:00 |
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| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | รถ/ | 14:00 |
| * edleafe wonders how efried got those bumps on his head | 14:01 | |
| efried | it's my new haircut | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | a double mohawk? | 14:01 |
| cdent | horns | 14:01 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Well, let's get started | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | Still a huge number of outstanding specs | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Here's my current list: | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | #link VMware: place instances on resource pool (using update_provider_tree) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549067/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link mirror nova host aggregates to placement API https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545057/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Proposes NUMA topology with RPs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552924/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Account for host agg allocation ratio in placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544683/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Spec for isolating configuration of placement database https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552927/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Support default allocation ratios https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552105/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Spec on preemptible servers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Handle nested providers for allocation candidates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556873/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Add Generation to Consumers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556971/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Proposes Multiple GPU types https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557065/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Standardize CPU resource tracking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555081/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Network bandwidth resource provider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #link Propose counting quota usage from placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509042/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | If I missed yours, please let me know | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i've got one to discuss | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | there's a new one from tetsuro | 14:04 |
| efried | Did tetsuro's end up in there? looking... | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | jinx :) | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Probably not | 14:04 |
| mriedem | had something on jaypipes' mirror aggregates spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545057/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | I just removed the merged ones from last week's list | 14:04 |
| efried | Here's tetsuro's: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559466/ | 14:04 |
| tetsuro | oh thanks | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | #link Return all resources in provider summaries https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559466/ | 14:05 |
| edleafe | mriedem: go for it | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | now i lost my spot | 14:05 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545057/8/specs/rocky/approved/placement-mirror-host-aggregates.rst@130 | 14:05 |
| mriedem | thing about the upgrade impact and nova-api requiring placement, | 14:06 |
| mriedem | since we can't check for that with nova-status, i was wondering if we should make that graceful in rocky, and hard fail in stein | 14:06 |
| mriedem | like we did in newton with the computes reporting to placement | 14:06 |
| mriedem | tbc, at some point after ocata, nova-conductor needed to start requiring placement too for a bug fix with forced live migrate and evacuate | 14:07 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: your feeling on this? | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: fine by me. | 14:08 |
| mriedem | it wouldn't be the end of the world if it were a hard fail off the bat, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | but seems we can be nice here | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | like I said, fine by me | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | alright, add that and i'm +2 | 14:09 |
| * edleafe notes that jaypipes wants to be nice | 14:09 | |
| jaypipes | k | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: don't take that the wrong way. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | Any other spec questions? | 14:10 |
| cdent | I'd really like to get the isolated/optional database stuff happening | 14:10 |
| cdent | is there anything blocking that other than lack of review bandwidth? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | not that i'm aware of | 14:11 |
| edleafe | It's already got a +2 and a ton of +1s | 14:11 |
| * bauzas waves late | 14:12 | |
| * edleafe waves back | 14:12 | |
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| edleafe | OK, nova-specs cores: please take a look at that spec | 14:13 |
| bauzas | sure, I'll try | 14:14 |
| edleafe | thx | 14:14 |
| edleafe | Next up... | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:14 | |
| edleafe | Once again, here's the current link dump: | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Update Provider Tree https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/update-provider-tree | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Neste resource providers https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/nested-resource-providers | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Nested providers in allocation candidates https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/nested-resource-providers-allocation-candidates | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #link Request Filters https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-req-filter | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Mirror nova host aggregates to placement https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-mirror-host-aggregates | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Forbidden Traits https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-forbidden-traits | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Consumer Generations https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-consumer-generation | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Extraction https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-extract | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Purge comp_node and res_prvdr records during deletion of cells/hosts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546660/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link A huge pile of improvements to osc-placement https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-osc-plugin-rocky | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Add compute capabilities traits (to os-traits) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546713/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link General policy sample file for placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524425/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Provide framework for setting placement error codes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546177/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Get resource provider by uuid or name (osc-placement) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527791/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link placement: Make API history doc more consistent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477478/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Handle agg generation conflict in report client https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556669/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Slugification utilities for placement names https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556628/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Remove usage of [placement]os_region_name https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557086/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | #link Get rid of 406 paths in report client https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556633/ | 14:15 |
| edleafe | This is the list of reviews from last week, with the merged ones removed | 14:15 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-req-filter is just WIPs at this point | 14:16 |
| bauzas | -ETOOMANYLINES | 14:16 |
| mriedem | not sure if that should stay in there | 14:16 |
| bauzas | -----buffer overflow----- | 14:16 |
| bauzas | yeah, agreed with mriedem | 14:16 |
| bauzas | also, I'd like to understand what misses for nested-resource-providers | 14:16 |
| edleafe | mriedem: so no further work will likely be done on the two outstanding patches? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | when I reviewed it last time, it was only having one change to merge | 14:16 |
| mriedem | edleafe: mine will at some point, | 14:17 |
| cdent | bauzas: read my latest placement update, that theme is on two topics | 14:17 |
| mriedem | but it's lower priority | 14:17 |
| bauzas | cdent: I did | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i can't speak for dan's wip | 14:17 |
| bauzas | cdent: but gerrit wasn't saying the same | 14:17 |
| bauzas | at least on last week | 14:18 |
| cdent | hmmm. maybe things have changed yet again. topics never seem as stable as I hoope | 14:18 |
| bauzas | cdent: anyway, will check the changes by your email | 14:18 |
| bauzas | thanks for that, btw. | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Are there any reviews anyone wants to discuss here? | 14:18 |
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| edleafe | Then let's move on to | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | #topic Open Discussion | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | There is one topic: | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Priorities etherpad | 14:20 |
| edleafe | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:20 |
| edleafe | oops | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #link Priorities etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:20 |
| * cdent sings the jeffersons theme | 14:20 | |
| edleafe | copy/paste fail | 14:20 |
| edleafe | We said we would add the reviews we were working on to that etherpad, and then prioritize them today at this meeting | 14:21 |
| edleafe | No one (myself included) did that | 14:21 |
| edleafe | So there really isn't anything to prioritize | 14:21 |
| edleafe | Is this still important? Or do we just want to keep working on what we are working on? | 14:22 |
| cdent | heh | 14:22 |
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| cdent | I guess since I wasn't here last week I wasn't really aware of that plan | 14:22 |
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| cdent | only that something was going to be done with the etherpad | 14:22 |
| edleafe | What? You don't read the minutes of every meeting??? | 14:22 |
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| cdent | I know it can seem like I read everything... | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | it does indeed. | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let me ask again: | 14:24 |
| edleafe | Is this still important? Or do we just want to keep working on what we are working on? | 14:24 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: is this a runway thing? | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | sounds like subteam runway | 14:25 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: no, just a way to deal with the huge number of patches out there | 14:25 |
| edleafe | the consensus was that there is no way we are going to get all of that merged in Rocky | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: If I'm being honest with folks, I'm maybe going to be able to review (properly) maybe one or two patch series per day. | 14:26 |
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| edleafe | so what do we want to really focus on? | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: if I'm going to actually have time to work on my own assigned code around mirroring and other things | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: for me, tetsuro's patches around alloc candidates are top of my list right now, review-wise. | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: and I'd like to get the remainder of your consumer generation patches reviewed. | 14:27 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: Don't forget you have to also finish your cloning machine | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: that will probably be it for me today. | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | I might be able to do some cdent patches while waiting on tests | 14:28 |
| cdent | The mental process I tend to use is that I order things based on how they are ordered in the placement update email: the main themes are at the top, and the stuff in "other" is ordered such that newer stuff is added to the end | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | That's an alternative | 14:28 |
| cdent | so if you are stuck for priority, start at the top of the email and work down | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | Focus on the placement email ordering, and we can discuss changing that if/when things change | 14:29 |
| cdent | that has a flaw, though, if it means no one ever gets in the other stack | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | cdent: maybe that's where this meeting could be helpful | 14:29 |
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| cdent | perhaps. Are we addressing the right problem? Is there also the problem of "we start too much work" | 14:31 |
| cdent | except I don't want to say that because much of the work I start is outside the priority themes | 14:32 |
| bauzas | I just feel we implemented a lot of things in between Newton and now | 14:33 |
| edleafe | We're all going to focus on the work we are doing, and the patches that are related to that. Where I see this as helpful is "I've got a few spare cycles. What should I look at?" | 14:33 |
| bauzas | now, the Placement API is really important for Nova | 14:33 |
| bauzas | but maybe it also means that we discover a lot of new concerns now | 14:33 |
| bauzas | because we now *use* the Placement API | 14:33 |
| edleafe | Or also, "I'm focused on my stuff. What are the important areas I need to keep up with?" | 14:34 |
| bauzas | so, IMHO, it's not really a problem | 14:34 |
| bauzas | I remember when nova-volume stopped and then we used cinder | 14:34 |
| bauzas | it was the same point | 14:34 |
| bauzas | quantum, well... | 14:34 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:35 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that's a good point. We've dealt with this sort of thing before. We just need to keep getting better at it | 14:35 |
| bauzas | it just means we need some time | 14:36 |
| bauzas | that's it | 14:36 |
| edleafe | Or clones | 14:36 |
| bauzas | but maybe I'm just optimistic | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | moving on... | 14:36 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I already have two clones | 14:36 |
| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? Or should we get back to work? | 14:36 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I saw pictures of them. They aren't clones; they're much better looking :) | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: we need to settle the unrestricted vs. separate by default thing. | 14:37 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but not like in Star Wars, it needs time for my clones to be IT people :p | 14:37 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: Ah, good point | 14:37 |
| edleafe | want to start? | 14:37 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I think the default behaviour should be the exisiting | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: so, after thinking all weekend on this, I do see efried's point on this. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | from what I did read from cdent's email | 14:38 |
| bauzas | ie. unrestricted | 14:38 |
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| efried | Are you waiting for me to say something? | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | although I am loath to say I agree with efried on anything of substance, I submit that in this case, leaving the "unrestricted by default" wording in the spec and coming up with another way of communicating "hey, these request groups MUST land on separate providers" is probably the best bet. | 14:40 |
| efried | It makes the implementation easier, I can tell you that from having worked on it some over the past few days. | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | like I said, I am loath to agree with you, efried, but yes, I think you're right. | 14:41 |
| * efried rejoices? | 14:41 | |
| efried | If it helps, jaypipes, you originally agreed with it when we were writing the spec. | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | now, I will need to bring dansmith on board with this change in my mindset, though. :) | 14:41 |
| edleafe | maybe add another query param to indicate separate RPs for all granular requests? | 14:41 |
| efried | With bauzas, it's now three on one. | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | efried: well, I may have originally agreed with it, but not intentionally ;) | 14:42 |
| bauzas | edleafe: for unrestricted ? I don't think so | 14:42 |
| efried | edleafe: Yes, we will have to do that, or something like it, at some point. | 14:42 |
| efried | But I think not now. | 14:42 |
| efried | i.e. it's not immediately needed. | 14:42 |
| edleafe | Unrestricted seems to fit most use cases that have been brought up | 14:42 |
| edleafe | efried: zactly | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | efried: that said, I still think the spec should have some wording added to clear things up. | 14:43 |
| efried | jaypipes: I will happily review any edits you'd like to propose. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | efried: specifically, to state that we have not yet decided how to communicate the requirement that separate providers be used. | 14:43 |
| efried | jaypipes: There was a rev in there where I spelled that out. But dansmith made me remove that text. | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | efried: ok, I can go back and look at the older rev. | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | efried: for the record... | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | efried: the reason I eventually came to this decision was because I concluded you were correct in saying that *not* doing it this way would mean a backwards-incompatible behaviour change for deployments | 14:46 |
| bauzas | efried: ping me when you're done with a new revision for your spec | 14:46 |
| efried | bauzas: Which spec? | 14:46 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: +1 with me, exactly why I agree | 14:46 |
| bauzas | efried: (16:43:09) jaypipes: efried: that said, I still think the spec should have some wording added to clear things up. | 14:47 |
| bauzas | which I agree topo | 14:47 |
| bauzas | too | 14:47 |
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| jaypipes | efried: w.r.t. how a request for 4 VCPU would (using separate by default) not land on a node with 2 VCPU available on 2 NUMA node providers) whereas before it would. | 14:47 |
| cdent | are we done? | 14:49 |
| edleafe | There is one other thing I'd like to discuss: should we move to a separate #openstack-placement channel | 14:49 |
| efried | jaypipes: Bottom of the "Alternatives" section mentions the "niche" of unsatisfied use cases, which were explained further in PS3 of the original spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510244/3/specs/queens/approved/granular-resource-requests.rst@361 | 14:49 |
| cdent | edleafe: yes | 14:50 |
| bauzas | edleafe: if we're keeping that channel to specific Placement questions, sure | 14:50 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: and general placement discussions | 14:51 |
| efried | edleafe: I'm +1 on the idea. Saw a couple other +1s in the ML. Nobody has come out against it yet. | 14:51 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but like I said in my email, for example NUMA topologies using nested RPs should still be discussed in #nova | 14:51 |
| edleafe | unclogging the -nova channel a bit | 14:51 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because some nova experts like sean mooney could have opinions | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I have been in #openstack-placement for an hour or so :) | 14:51 |
| bauzas | shit, I need to join then | 14:52 |
| bauzas | AFAIR, we also need to make it "official" | 14:52 |
| edleafe | ah, didn't realize it had become a reality yet! | 14:52 |
| bauzas | in eavesdrop I mean | 14:52 |
| bauzas | ie. adding loggers and so on | 14:52 |
| efried | There will be a certain amount of growing pains and overlap and "let's move this to the other channel" stuff for a while. That's a normal part of doing business in IRC. | 14:52 |
| efried | Certainly not a reason to avoid doing it. | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: well, it's easy enough to /join ... | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: someone else can do the needful w.r.t. eavesdrop and all that jazz. | 14:52 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: just did | 14:53 |
| bauzas | efried: yeah, tbc, the main thing to remember is that if the convo needs some nova experts, then use #nova | 14:53 |
| bauzas | if that's all about placement bits, then #placement | 14:53 |
| efried | jaypipes: Yeah, unless you spell it 4/join :P | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | efried: :) indeed. | 14:53 |
| edleafe | So is anyone taking on the eavesdrop stuff? | 14:54 |
| * jaypipes has no idea... | 14:54 | |
| efried | I nominate cdent | 14:54 |
| cdent | I already volunteered, last week | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: lemme find the doc | 14:55 |
| cdent | and have the doc somewhere nearby | 14:55 |
| bauzas | I did that a while for another stackforge project | 14:55 |
| cdent | so will take care of stuff | 14:55 |
| edleafe | oh, it sounds like bauzas is volunteering!! | 14:55 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I volunteered for finding pointers :p | 14:55 |
| efried | It would be neat if we could get patchbot to post for patches based on, like, subject containing "placement", or containing files within the placement hierarchy, etc. | 14:55 |
| bauzas | baby steps first :) | 14:55 |
| bauzas | at least the status and the logger bots | 14:56 |
| efried | Though that'll be (relatively) temporary until it gets its own project. | 14:56 |
| edleafe | efried: let's hope! | 14:56 |
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| bauzas | found https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html | 14:56 |
| bauzas | there it is | 14:56 |
| * bauzas rolls his sleeves | 14:56 | |
| cdent | bauzas: I'll do it | 14:57 |
| bauzas | cdent: cool | 14:57 |
| bauzas | just follow the doc | 14:57 |
| cdent | as I had already had it on my to do list this week | 14:57 |
| bauzas | we don't need the meetbot tho | 14:57 |
| edleafe | #action cdent to set up #openstack-placement with eavesdrop, bots, etc., to make it "official" | 14:57 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:58 |
| bauzas | oh shit, we need meetbot for logging | 14:58 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 14:58 |
| edleafe | #ndmeeting | 14:58 |
| edleafe | ugh | 14:58 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 9 14:58:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-09-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-09-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-09-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| corvus | hi, any zuul folks around? | 22:00 |
| jlk | o/ | 22:00 |
| fungi | mmmzuul | 22:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 22:01 |
| Shrews | i am not here, but merely an illusion | 22:01 |
| clarkb | I will need to afk in about 45 minutes (just a heads up) | 22:01 |
| fungi | there is no Shrews... | 22:01 |
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| corvus | #startmeeting zuul | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 9 22:01:38 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is corvus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:01 | |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:01 |
| corvus | #link empty agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul | 22:01 |
| corvus | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-04-02-22.02.html | 22:02 |
| corvus | #topic Action items from previous meetings | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from previous meetings (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:02 | |
| corvus | #action | 22:02 |
| corvus | corvus write automated query for private zuul stories (to find security issues) | 22:02 |
| corvus | sigh | 22:02 |
| corvus | #action corvus write automated query for private zuul stories (to find security issues) | 22:02 |
| corvus | i have not done that yet, sorry | 22:02 |
| corvus | #topic Open Discussion | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| corvus | i'd like to talk about this meeting for a minute | 22:03 |
| corvus | i tallied up the responses to the thread about moving or stopping this meeting | 22:03 |
| corvus | and i ran it through my crayon sketch idea of how condorcet works | 22:03 |
| corvus | and i think the order of preference from the group is: no meetings; meeting at 20:00; alternating meetings at 15/23 utc | 22:04 |
| corvus | the outcome isn't very close, so my vaguely condorcet approach is probabl good enough :) | 22:04 |
| fungi | matches my preferred set, so sounds right to me ;) | 22:05 |
| corvus | in consequence, perhaps this should be the last meeting? | 22:05 |
| Shrews | seems about right | 22:05 |
| jlk | or at least the last recurring scheduled meeting | 22:05 |
| corvus | jlk: right :) | 22:05 |
| fungi | yeah, we can easily schedule one-off meetings as we see fit | 22:06 |
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| fungi | so far people haven't been showing up at these to ask totally random questions, or i'd suggest experimenting with some scheduled office hours | 22:07 |
| corvus | i do think we should send out a weekly email, just to pick up the things that wouldn't normally make it onto the mailing list | 22:07 |
| corvus | i was thinking we could have an etherpad that folks can contribute to during the week, then maybe on mondays i can send it out as an email | 22:08 |
| corvus | we can put in notes on what we've been working on during the previous week, or hope to work on during the next week | 22:08 |
| corvus | (like, i'd say "i'm finishing up a draft spec for container integration; hope to propose it for discussion this week") | 22:09 |
| corvus | i'm not going to send that out as its own email to the list, but as an item in a larger summary email, it helps folks know what i'm working on | 22:09 |
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| fungi | sounds like a fine solution | 22:10 |
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| corvus | #link etherpad for drafting weekly(-ish?) update emails to the zuul-discuss mailing list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuul-update-email | 22:11 |
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| Shrews | I know of Ansible folks who are eager to know what is happening each week. Would be nice to just forward that to them rather than summarizing it myself. | 22:11 |
| corvus | awesome! i will be happy to share editing duties with you! :) | 22:12 |
| Shrews | but, if we just send the link, that etherpad will just grow unbounded, yes? | 22:13 |
| fungi | eventually you rotate the pad out | 22:13 |
| corvus | Shrews: oh yeah, so i was thinking we accumulate into the etherpad during the week, then copy/paste the contents into an email | 22:13 |
| corvus | so the email stands on its own | 22:13 |
| Shrews | corvus: oh ok. i misunderstood | 22:13 |
| corvus | and yeah, we can rotate the pad out, or even delete the old stuff from it after a week or two | 22:14 |
| fungi | sounds good. so the pad will only grow until the summary gets sent (so probably only holding a week's content unless there's a delay between summaries) | 22:14 |
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| corvus | (not sure if deleting from a pad that changes continually helps eplite performance or not) | 22:14 |
| corvus | fungi: yeah. maybe keep last week's in there just so it's there for easy reference. | 22:14 |
| Shrews | can we put the pad link in the #zuul topic? | 22:15 |
| corvus | Shrews: ++ | 22:15 |
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| clarkb | and maybe add it to the weekly notices and encourage people to add their own content for next week | 22:16 |
| corvus | clarkb: ++ | 22:16 |
| fungi | yeah, a persistent header/footer boilerplate should definitely mention how/where to add items for teh next summary | 22:17 |
| fungi | thingee was attempting to use this model to "crowdsource" entries for the weekly openstack-del ml summary, but in that case it didn't work out | 22:17 |
| fungi | er, openstack-dev | 22:18 |
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| ianw | if we're open discussion, i have one, perhaps tangential, on 3rd party ci. you might have seen some discussion with berndbausch trying to update the instructions. i'm wondering if the future of this is more "here's how to setup zuul-ci to talk to OS" more than, here's how to bring up a mini-opentsack ci environment | 22:19 |
| corvus | yeah, i'm hoping we can encourage folks to add their own entries, but also, we can backstop it and write about other people if they forget :) | 22:19 |
| ianw | i guess my question is, is the long term future of this via people using puppet-openstackci to set things up, or are we looking at branching that out into more specific "setup zuul" type things in zuul-ci? | 22:20 |
| ianw | be that puppet modules, pabelanger's windmill stuff, etc | 22:20 |
| corvus | ianw: i think openstack should have its own doc on how it recommends people set up zuul to perform third-party ci | 22:20 |
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| corvus | there's enough specific process there to warrant that regardless | 22:21 |
| corvus | (and also, specific jobs, which will be of interest) | 22:21 |
| clarkb | personally I'd like to see the official zuul docs be quite manual and do its best to explain how and why things are working without any specific deployment in mind. Which I think ZfS ahs done so far | 22:21 |
| corvus | clarkb: yeah, i think continuing the path that zfs is on (including the changes shrews is doing) fits that | 22:22 |
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| corvus | it will walk you through "having a zuul talk to gerrit" | 22:22 |
| corvus | it's not going to have a specific one in mind. :) | 22:22 |
| ianw | so maybe third party ci docs will look more like "follow ZfS; then x,y,z"? | 22:23 |
| corvus | i also think we've learned we're still lacking in a few things in zuul-base-jobs before we can fully flesh out not only zfs, but a third-party ci guide for something like openstack | 22:23 |
| clarkb | then if/when you use an installer like puppet-openstackci and need to understand why something isn't working you'll have a chance at figuring it out using the upstream docs | 22:23 |
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| corvus | like, we need to get a really basic log publishing playbook in the zuul-base-jobs | 22:24 |
| clarkb | ianw: ya that could be one way of approaching it | 22:24 |
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| ianw | it's just puppet-openstackci ... i think currently you basically end up in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/manifests/single_node_ci.pp#n297 | 22:24 |
| ianw | i.e., good luck with that! | 22:24 |
| corvus | ianw, clarkb: or, openstack could pick a preferred deployment methodology (windmill/puppet-openstackci) and reserve zfs for troubleshooting that | 22:25 |
| corvus | maybe we should pick this up at tomorrow's infra meeting | 22:26 |
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| ianw | sure, i just wasn't sure what advice to give someone wanting to contribute there | 22:26 |
| corvus | i don't think puppet-openstackci is getting a lot of love these days | 22:26 |
| clarkb | ianw: thanks for helping out there as I think your timezones overlap better than mine | 22:26 |
| corvus | folks helped get it compatible with zuul v2/v3, but i don't know that anyone is driving it to real v3 third-party ci support. | 22:27 |
| ianw | right, we drive things like nodepool-builders and zk hosts etc from discreet bits of system-config, but there's no 3rd party equivalent for that | 22:28 |
| corvus | at any rate, we should probably get the zuul-base-jobs log situation resolved first; i'd feel a lot better saying "we're ready for zuul v3 third-party ci use" when zfs actually documents all that's needed | 22:28 |
| fungi | seems more like a stop-gap/stepping stone for people who want to semi-manually upgrade from v2 with jenkins | 22:28 |
| fungi | i agree for fresh installations puppet-openstackci is likely a lot of baggage now | 22:28 |
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| corvus | ianw: i'll readily admit culpability there in that i have never thought i was capable of supporting openstack's install of everything and third-party ci from the same git repo, and relied heavily on other folks to help make puppet-openstackci work. many of them are not around now. | 22:29 |
| corvus | so i made way too many changes outside of puppet-openstackci | 22:30 |
| corvus | i think that puppet-zuul is getting pretty close to being a reasonable puppet module at this point. | 22:31 |
| corvus | if we want to maintain the puppet modules, tagging some of those versions and pinning openstackci to them might allow us the freedom to clean things up and make it sensible. | 22:32 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 22:32 |
| corvus | but, honestly, if it's easier for us to say "use windmill". cool. :) | 22:32 |
| corvus | anyway, better to talk about that tomorrow i think | 22:32 |
| ianw | ok, good food for thought, thanks. i'll put something on the agenda | 22:33 |
| corvus | well, good to talk about it both places, since it informs zfs, etc | 22:33 |
| corvus | but it's infra's decision to make :) | 22:33 |
| corvus | we landed the role/playbook checkout change recently | 22:35 |
| corvus | i rolled it out for openstack-infra this morning, and sent this notice: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129217.html | 22:35 |
| corvus | so far, most things are working, though some... very unusual... playbooks have stopped working | 22:35 |
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| corvus | i think we're in general agreement that so far, that's "not a bug" that they stopped working | 22:36 |
| fungi | <insert overheating spacebar xkcd link> | 22:36 |
| corvus | (there was a job which ran a playbook from a different repo) | 22:37 |
| corvus | hopefully they won't fix that by hardcoding the new "playbook_0" path | 22:37 |
| clarkb | I tried to be explciit that that wasn't a public interface that could be reliad on | 22:37 |
| clarkb | my spelling can't be relied on either | 22:37 |
| corvus | we do check the playbook path in the executor... so we should be able to pretty easily add a check that it's still under the directory we expect it to be after resolving the path | 22:38 |
| corvus | we're currently recheck-bashing Shrews's decoding fix in | 22:39 |
| clarkb | ok I'm popping out now. Shrews might be worth bringing up the asyncio thing from earlier today too (just so people are aware) | 22:39 |
| corvus | that should land soon | 22:39 |
| corvus | clarkb: any other changes you thing we should merge before doing a release? | 22:39 |
| corvus | er, we can follow up later with that :) | 22:40 |
| Shrews | corvus: gotta fix the port in that decode test | 22:40 |
| clarkb | corvus: the postgres changes would be good to get in | 22:40 |
| clarkb | just to fix that before it festers | 22:40 |
| corvus | clarkb: ah right | 22:40 |
| corvus | yeah, the roles checkout change is a similar thing -- the sooner we get the fix out there, the fewer problems people will accidentally create for themselves | 22:40 |
| corvus | so i'd like to do a release soon. maybe we can get roles+decode+postgres in and then do that. | 22:41 |
| jlk | speaking of releases... | 22:41 |
| fungi | 3.1.0 i guess | 22:41 |
| pabelanger | while looking to see if we can support groups of groups within a nodeset, I noticed we might not be generating our yaml inventory file properly for ansible: https://review.openstack.org/559406/ Added some more test coverage on the parent too | 22:41 |
| jlk | https://github.com/sigmavirus24/github3.py/pull/823 | 22:41 |
| corvus | fungi: maybe? or 3.0.1? since they're bugfixes... we may have some "what does semver mean for zuul" bikeshedding to do :) | 22:42 |
| corvus | jlk: oh good! maybe we can get that in too | 22:42 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah i suppose the roles, decode and postgres sets are all just bugfixes | 22:43 |
| jlk | numbers are just constructs in your mind, maaaaaaannnn | 22:43 |
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| corvus | pabelanger: does that mean there's user-visible broken behavior now, or just that we need to do that before you add a new feature? | 22:43 |
| fungi | and _technically_ changing the github3 dependency version, but in such a way that i would also consider that a bug fix ;) | 22:43 |
| corvus | fungi: ayup | 22:44 |
| pabelanger | corvus: before we add new feature. It looks like how we do it today works, but isn't how usually expects it | 22:44 |
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| corvus | okay, so that's not too urgent | 22:45 |
| pabelanger | agree | 22:45 |
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| corvus | anything else, or should we wrap it up? | 22:47 |
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| corvus | i'll send a note to the list about the lack of scheduled meetings from here on out, and the link to the update email etherpad | 22:49 |
| corvus | oh, and de-schedule this in the openstack meeting calendar | 22:50 |
| corvus | thanks everyone! | 22:50 |
| corvus | #endmeeting | 22:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 22:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 9 22:50:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-04-09-22.01.html | 22:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-04-09-22.01.txt | 22:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2018/zuul.2018-04-09-22.01.log.html | 22:50 |
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