Monday, 2018-04-16

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edleafe#startmeeting nova_scheduler14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 16 14:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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edleafe#link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting14:00
cdenthello14:00
edleafeHope that everyone had an enjoyable weekend14:01
jaypipesicing my elbow was just ... awesome.14:01
edleafeoooh, sounds like fun!14:02
edleafe#topic Specs14:02
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edleafeOnce again I'll bulk list them here (courtesy of cdent)14:03
edleafe#link VMware: place instances on resource pool https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549067/14:03
edleafe#link Proposes NUMA topology with RPs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552924/14:03
edleafe#link Account for host agg allocation ratio in placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544683/14:03
edleafe#link Spec for isolating configuration of placement database https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552927/14:03
edleafe#link Support default allocation ratios https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552105/14:03
edleafe#link Spec on preemptible servers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438640/14:03
edleafe#link Handle nested providers for allocation candidates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556873/14:03
edleafe#link Proposes Multiple GPU types https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557065/14:03
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edleafe#link Standardize CPU resource tracking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555081/14:03
edleafe#link Network bandwidth resource provider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502306/14:03
edleafe#link Propose counting quota usage from placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509042/14:03
edleafe#link Add history behind nullable project_id and user_id https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560174/14:03
edleafe#link Return resources of entire trees in Placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559466/14:03
edleafe#link Numbered request groups use different providers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560974/14:03
edleafeAre there any specs anyone would like to discuss?14:03
cdentonly to reiterate: I'd really like to see " Spec for isolating configuration of placement database" merge.14:04
cdentit doesn't have to mean anything changes, it just means things _can_ change14:04
bauzas\o (even if in another private corp discussion too)14:05
edleafeAnything else on specs?14:05
efriedjaypipes seems like a good second +2 on that spec14:05
efriedwatch out for that bus overhead, jaypipes14:05
jaypipesefried: I will review it.14:05
jaypipesefried: you are referring to cdent's placement db spec, yes?14:06
efriedjaypipes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552927/14:06
jaypipesya14:06
jaypipeson it14:06
efriedthanks14:06
edleafecool14:06
edleafeNext up:14:07
edleafe#topic Reviews14:07
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edleafeKeeping with our decision last week to use the placement update as our priority tracker, here are the main themes:14:07
edleafe#link Update Provider Tree https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/update-provider-tree14:07
edleafe#link Nested providers https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/nested-resource-providers14:07
edleafe#link Nested providers in allocation candidates https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/nested-resource-providers-allocation-candidates14:07
edleafe#link Mirror nova host aggregates to placement https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-mirror-host-aggregates14:08
edleafe#link Forbidden Traits https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-forbidden-traits14:08
edleafe#link Consumer Generations https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/add-consumer-generation14:08
edleafe# Extraction https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-extract14:08
edleafeI am currently working on the consumer_generation stuff. I have some POC for using the Consumer object posted, but still need to add tests14:08
efriedGranular should be on that list.14:09
efriedI'm working on that - very sparsely, desperately trying to make time for it.14:09
edleafeefried: want to add a #link?14:09
efriedhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/granular-resource-requests+status:open14:09
efriedOr if you prefer14:10
efried#link Granular Resource Requests https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/granular-resource-requests+status:open14:10
edleafemuch better14:10
cdentI'm happy to add Granular as a theme on the weekly report, but that list of main themes was a result of some post-ptg summaries. Have we declared granular a proper (whatever that means) theme? (we probably should, but just checking to be sure)14:10
edleafecdent: please add that on the next update. I'll update the meeting page14:10
edleafeIt seems pretty critical for nrp to work14:11
efriedIt's been a central assumption of pretty much every placement-using spec we've got approved or proposed for Rocky and beyond.14:11
* cdent nods14:12
cdentI think mentally I just had it lumped under nested, but can make it standalone for clarity14:12
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cdentthere's room with forbidden already merged14:13
efried:)14:13
cdent(thanks for that, btw)14:13
efriedhas anyone considered how we're going to consume that from the nova side?14:14
bauzasconsuming what?14:14
bauzasrequest groups ?14:14
bauzasor forbidden traits ?14:14
bauzasif the former, my own spec tries to use it14:14
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efriedI saw a spec somewhere that mentioned using forbidden traits too, but I think it was tangential.  Do we have a real use case for it yet?14:15
cdentthe ptg sure made it seem so14:16
cdentbut don't know how it's flowed since14:16
efriedIt was an ironic thing, maybe?14:16
edleafeefried: one of the suggested use cases was a flavor where the instance should not land on an SSD host14:16
efriedokay, so if any of our use cases involve "flavor" then we need a new spec.14:16
edleafewhy?14:17
efriedbecause right now we don't have anything specified that translates flavor syntax to placement syntax.14:17
efriedThe work cdent did was just on the placement side.14:17
efriedWe never decided how the flavor would look14:17
efriedWhether it was going to be with ! or =forbidden or what.14:17
edleafeI thought we had settled on !14:18
efriedand have nothing lined up to decide that, or implement it once decided.14:18
efriedWe settled on ! for the placement side, yes.14:18
cdentI thought we decided =forbidden in flavors and ! on the placement side14:18
efriedBut we never even discussed the flavor side, to my recollection.14:18
efriedSee?  :P14:18
cdentdifferent because the language was already different14:18
cdentmostly because extra specs are already kinda weird14:18
efriedBut even if we did "already decide", there's nothing lined up to actually implement it.14:18
efriedso14:18
edleafeYou may be right, but that wasn't my recollection14:18
efrieddo we need to add THAT for rocky?14:19
cdenttrait:FOO={required,forbidden}14:19
jaypipesefried: what cdent says ^^14:19
cdentit's small thing14:19
cdentadding great power14:19
cdentif nobody else has the time/cycles I can do it14:19
jaypipesI thought we'd settled on required:FOO=forbidden?14:19
edleafecdent: so something like: required=foo&forbidden=bar ?14:20
efriedflavor trait:FOO=forbidden translates to placement qstring ?required=!FOO14:20
jaypipesw.r.t to the flavor extra spec format.14:20
efriededleafe: No, the placement syntax is definitely already settled.14:20
jaypipesright, sorry trait:FOO=forbidden14:20
efriedSo let's not have this design discussion here.14:20
cdentefried: yes, that translation14:20
efriedCause we need to write a spec for it anyway.14:20
jaypipesefried: haven't we already had the design discussion on this?14:21
cdentwe have14:21
cdentand I'm not sure we need a spec, maybe just a blueprint14:21
jaypipesefried: it should be trait:FOO=forbidden.14:21
efriedjaypipes: Informally, verbally, but to my recollection never completely landed.14:21
cdentbecquse all we're doing is implementation a translation of extra spec to query string14:21
efriedI'm fine with that.  Needs a spec regardless, so let's do that there.14:21
efriedbut14:21
efrieddo we have room for it in rocky?14:21
efriedand/or is it important enough to prioritize over other things we would rather enslave^W task cdent with?14:22
jaypipesI don't see a) why this needs another spec (it's an implementation detail) and b) why we can't do this in Rocky14:22
edleafeIt would seem to be a low priority, though14:22
efriedneeds spec because has all the impacts that the spec template was written to make us address.14:23
efriedand because we need it written down how it's going to work.14:23
efriedthat's my take, anyway.14:23
* jaypipes burned out on writing specs... someone else can throw one up.14:24
cdentlike I said I'll take this action if we say it should be done. I don't agree that it needs a spec, but if people think it does, I'm happy to do that part too.14:24
edleafeWhen the spec creation/discussion takes longer than the coding would...14:24
bauzasbtw. I have a spec that I'll probably abandon and just write code14:25
jaypipesedleafe: right....14:25
cdenti'll take this ball, in whatever form, let's move on14:26
edleafethanks cdent14:26
* alex_xu waves late14:27
edleafeAnyone else want to discuss one of these Main Theme reviews?14:27
* edleafe waves back at alex_xu 14:27
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edleafeComing up: a dump of all the other reviews listed in the placement update:14:28
edleafe#link Purge comp_node and res_prvdr records during deletion of cells/hosts https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546660/14:28
edleafe#link A huge pile of improvements to osc-placement https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/placement-osc-plugin-rocky14:28
edleafe#link Add compute capabilities traits (to os-traits) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546713/14:28
edleafe#link General policy sample file for placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524425/14:28
edleafe#link Provide framework for setting placement error codes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546177/14:28
edleafe#link Get resource provider by uuid or name (osc-placement) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527791/14:28
edleafe#link placement: Make API history doc more consistent https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477478/14:29
edleafe#link Handle agg generation conflict in report client https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556669/14:29
edleafe#link Remove usage of [placement]os_region_name https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557086/14:29
edleafe#link Add unit test for non-placement resize https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537614/14:29
edleafe#link Address issues raised in adding member_of to GET /a-c https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554357/14:29
edleafe#link cover migration cases with functional tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493865/14:29
edleafe#link Update check to ensure compute is using placement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/558089/14:29
edleafe#link Bug fixes for sharing resource providers https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/173273114:29
edleafe#link normalize_name helper (in os-traits) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560107/14:29
edleafe#link Fix issues with unicode uppercasing in normalizing resource classes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/176278914:29
edleafe#link WIP at granular in allocation candidates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517757/14:29
edleafe#link Fix a bug with syncing traits. It can fail, ruining the whole service.  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/176032214:29
cdentas a point of order, since these are "other" can we just leave them to email. repeating them here seems14:30
cdentseems an ack that people don't read email or look at their gerrit dashboards, which we should encourage or accept14:30
edleafeI add them for the sake of completeness to anyone reading the meeting minutes.14:31
cdentlet's establish the precedent that people do read and are reviewing, and will raise issues here based on thinks they can link in if necessary14:31
edleafeI think that that precedent was established when we switched from one-by-one listing of specs and reviews to the overall listing14:31
efriedThat wfm.  The repetition of the whole list of links makes it more like noise than like actionable14:32
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efriedThe comprehensive list was good for a week or two of "whoah, we've got a lot of stuff on the table"14:32
edleafeok, if that's the consensus, next week I'll replace that with link to the most recent placement update email. How does that sound?14:34
cdent+114:34
efried+114:34
edleafekewl14:34
efriedand of course folks can still link in specific ones they want to discuss in the meeting.14:35
edleafe#agreed Stop posting all the links to reviews in the meeting, and replace that with a link to the most recent placement update email14:35
edleafeLet's move on14:36
edleafe#topic Bugs14:36
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edleafe#link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement&orderby=-id14:36
edleafeOne new one this week, with backport potential14:37
edleafeThere's already a fix proposed14:37
edleafeAnything else bug-related?14:37
cdentno sir14:38
edleafe#topic Open Discussion14:38
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edleafeWhat's on your respective minds?14:38
cdentSpring is late this year.14:39
edleafeNot here it ain't14:39
edleafeProbably more like your summer - days going up to the 80-90F range14:40
efriedoh?  It was mid-40s up here in Central TX14:40
mriedemwe got 8 inches of snow this weekend14:40
efriedWhat is this snow of which you speak?14:40
mriedemi played xmas music on saturday morning14:40
efriedOh, that stuff we had in Dublin.14:40
* cdent considers tracking snow in placement14:40
cdentare we done?14:40
edleafewith snow? I sure am!14:41
edleafeOK, thanks everyone!14:41
edleafe#endmeeting14:41
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-16-14.00.html14:41
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-16-14.00.txt14:41
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2018/nova_scheduler.2018-04-16-14.00.log.html14:41
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