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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 26 15:00:29 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur vponomaryov cknight toabctl bswartz ganso | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
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| tpsilva | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all | 15:01 |
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| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| vgreen | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | PTG will be in Denver | 15:01 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129564.html | 15:02 |
| ganso | tbarron: choo choo again? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | Stapleton | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | they say the train situation has improved | 15:02 |
| amito | ganso: should be less noisey this time | 15:02 |
| tbarron | we will see | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | I haven't started a topics etherpad yet but it's on my list so stay tuned | 15:02 |
| tbarron | I responded to the poll indicating that we do plan to meet there physically rather than | 15:03 |
| tbarron | have a virtual PTG for manila. | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | Does anyone have any issues with that? | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | (It's not too late to correct my response) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | We're barely past milestone 1 -- we don't need to do PTG planning for a long while | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: ack | 15:03 |
| bswartz | But +1 on physical rather than virtual | 15:04 |
| tbarron | I may put up an etherpad soon just so it can gradually accumulate ideas as they occur to people but | 15:04 |
| bswartz | Virtual was only ever a good idea if we were meeting at the summits, and very few of us are | 15:04 |
| tbarron | then push for filling it out later. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Anyone for virtual? | 15:04 |
| tbarron | I think the physical meetings in Dublin were pretty successful. | 15:05 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:05 |
| zhongjun_ | +1 | 15:05 |
| amito | +1 for physical | 15:05 |
| ganso | +1 for phys | 15:05 |
| vkmc | +1 for physical | 15:05 |
| tbarron | OK, hearing no objections, plan of record stands that we will meet in "Denver" (Stapeleton) | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Vancouver Forum Schedule is posted | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129867.html | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | I messed up and copied our topics over late so we only got one into the forum. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | So consider running for PTL next cycle and use that defect against me if I run :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | But the topic is a good one | 15:07 |
| tbarron | "running manila at scale & barriers to deployment" | 15:07 |
| tbarron | it consolidates two that we suggested and the remaining ones | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | running with non nova instance clients and share-type-quotas experience | 15:08 |
| tbarron | can be covered under this general topic as well | 15:08 |
| tbarron | so it will be OK I think | 15:08 |
| markstur | should say "ovecoming barriers" or something like that to spin it positive | 15:09 |
| tbarron | markstur: sure, dunno if I can change it at this point but I'll see | 15:09 |
| tpsilva | tbarron: is this the final schedule or it may change after community review? | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | This is supposed to be set except for schedule conflicts but I'll write | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | Jimmy McArthur with markstur's suggested tweak on title | 15:10 |
| tbarron | tpsilva: is that time bad for you? | 15:10 |
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| tpsilva | tbarron: no, it's good | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Monday 11:35-12:15 | 15:11 |
| tbarron | ok, moving on | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Technical Committe elections have started | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | and voting ends 1018-04-30 @ 23:45 UTC | 15:12 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129260.html | 15:12 |
| tbarron | Be sure to vote! | 15:12 |
| tbarron | Anyone have anything to say about the election, any candidates, issues, etc? | 15:13 |
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| tbarron | I'll just say that having a good turnout is perceived as an indicator of OpenStack community health | 15:13 |
| tbarron | and I think it's in all our interests that we get lots of participation. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Any other announcments? | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | ok, hearing none .... | 15:14 |
| tbarron | #topic Spec reviews | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546301 | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | on this one just a reminder to slackers gouthamr and dustins that they | 15:15 |
| tbarron | are going to do the git move here and then we can approve it | 15:15 |
| tbarron | just a bookkeeping thing, no big deal | 15:15 |
| * dustins writes that on a post-it | 15:16 | |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552935 | 15:16 |
| tbarron | This is the access-list priority spec | 15:16 |
| tbarron | I argued for an alternative solution but | 15:16 |
| tbarron | there wasn't exactly a ground swell of support for it :) | 15:16 |
| tbarron | If we were starting green field I think I might be inclined to dig in more, | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Simpler is better | 15:17 |
| tbarron | ah, now you are baitiing me, that's what I was saying with the alternative :) | 15:17 |
| tbarron | but what isn't simpler given our history | 15:17 |
| tbarron | is the backwards compatability issue | 15:18 |
| bswartz | In this case I mean simpler regarding the implementation | 15:18 |
| tbarron | the sort is simpler but the user interface is messier | 15:18 |
| bswartz | The core issue is that the existing interface has undefined behavior | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | and there is still potential ambiguity unresolved | 15:18 |
| tbarron | only end user can resolve | 15:18 |
| tbarron | and back ends may still treat ties differently | 15:19 |
| bswartz | There are multiple ways to resolve that, and I'd prefer the one we talked about in Dublin | 15:19 |
| tbarron | but I think we can live with those matters, just want them spelled out a | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Because I think it's the most straightforward to implement and understand, even if the interface is more complex | 15:19 |
| tbarron | better in the spec. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Work can proceed for this spec but let's fill out some areas in it for the record. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | I put my +1 on it. | 15:20 |
| zhongjun_ | It spelled out in driver impact in spec | 15:20 |
| ganso | tbarron: your improvement suggestions haven't been addressed. So you wouldn't +2 it without those improvements, right? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: you'll see several areas that I think need a bit more explanation | 15:20 |
| tbarron | ganso: I don't want to get hung up on process. We're going to go ahead with this approach. | 15:21 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: still now? | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | We can work out some of the answers to my questions in code review. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: yes, I just updated in the last hour or two. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: but the issues are relatively minor. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: I don't think they are just nitpicks however. | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: for instance, are we going to do the UI the way bswartz suggested, where | 15:22 |
| tbarron | a list of rules is presented and the user doesn't see priority numbers | 15:22 |
| tbarron | just an example of something worth writing down as we figure it out | 15:23 |
| tbarron | So people who are +2 please put your votes back on the spec. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: Know that I am not blocking this. | 15:24 |
| zhongjun_ | Could we add the detail in the code ? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: yes, but why not also have the answers to these questions in the spec? | 15:25 |
| ganso | I'd like to see in the spec the UI approach chosen, if it is not there already. I haven't checked the latest update | 15:25 |
| tbarron | We can merge it and revise it if that's the consensus but there are at least some typos that should be fixed :) | 15:25 |
| tbarron | So core reviewers and other reviewers please do one more pass. | 15:26 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: but I am not going to block eventual merge so if you have other reviewer's support as well | 15:27 |
| tbarron | and I think no one is expressing show-stop objections | 15:27 |
| tbarron | then your work can move ahead. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | Any more on this for this week? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Isn't there a deadline on this? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | Like today? | 15:27 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Cloud we fix this patch today? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | bswartz: why be artificial on process about this? | 15:29 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: be my guest to respond again today, it's just late for you. | 15:29 |
| bswartz | tbarron: for deadlines to have any meaning they must be enforced | 15:29 |
| tbarron | bswartz: well why don't you pick this one up and respond to the open questions then | 15:30 |
| tbarron | There are no votes but mine on the latest iteration. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | But I don't want to scuttle this spec because of that. | 15:30 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: thanks for not going to block eventual merge | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I will add comments if it helps others | 15:31 |
| tbarron | We just went a week with only zhongjun_ and me updating I think. | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I had a long talk with zhongjun_ last night before I fell asleep | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I feel like we're on the same page | 15:32 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ty, and she updated after that, and I reviewed after that. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | So we need a little more time on a very important spec. Access control has | 15:33 |
| tbarron | been a painful area for manila and I donn' | 15:33 |
| tbarron | don't want us to do less than we can here to get it right this time. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | So let's extend this one one more week but turn around reviews on it every day. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | I will ping people to review. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | Anything else on this one? | 15:34 |
| tbarron | #topic Forum timing | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum timing (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:35 | |
| tbarron | I just interjected this b/c we just got a request to swap our Forum time from Monday at | 15:35 |
| tbarron | 11:35 to Thursday at | 15:36 |
| tbarron | 1:50 | 15:36 |
| tpsilva | tbarron: works for me and erlon | 15:36 |
| tbarron | tpsilva: ^^^ any issues with that? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | Anyone else? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | dustins: vkmc ^^^ ? | 15:37 |
| dustins | No complaints here | 15:37 |
| tbarron | OK, I will do some checking myself but will agree to the swap if we don't have conflicts. | 15:37 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:38 | |
| tbarron | dustin, you are up | 15:38 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-bug-triage-pad | 15:38 |
| dustins | thanks, tbarron | 15:38 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1755795 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755795 in Manila "manila_tempest_tests.tests.scenario.test_share_basic_ops create share failed because share type not found" [Undecided,New] | 15:38 |
| dustins | Looking at the comments, it looks like this might have been resolved? | 15:39 |
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| tbarron | dustins: I'm not sure it was. | 15:40 |
| tbarron | I think shuali is just saying that the report of default-share-type w/o DHSS attribute was mistaken | 15:41 |
| dustins | Interesting | 15:41 |
| dustins | We may have to try this scenario test to see if we see the same results | 15:42 |
| dustins | Any volunteers? | 15:42 |
| tbarron | dustins: is comment #3 the steps to reproduce? | 15:43 |
| * bswartz finishes review comments | 15:43 | |
| dustins | tbarron: Looks that way, yeah | 15:43 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ty! | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I've never liked usage of the default share type in tests | 15:43 |
| bswartz | We need some tests to verify that the default share type functionality actually works, but every other test should create the share types it requires | 15:44 |
| tbarron | agree | 15:44 |
| bswartz | Group setup/teardown is the appropriate place for that kind of thing, IMO | 15:44 |
| vkmc_ | bswartz++ | 15:45 |
| bswartz | Or individual test setup/teardown for tests that have special requirements | 15:45 |
| tbarron | dustins: maybe just update indicating that there is ongoing work to do what bswartz just said that should fix this issue | 15:45 |
| tbarron | and leave the bug open | 15:45 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:46 |
| bswartz | Maybe link back to the bug so whoever does fix this remembers to close the bug | 15:46 |
| vkmc_ | same thing is happening in tempest tests in which we rely to some pre setup for the environment | 15:46 |
| vkmc_ | for the share type creation | 15:47 |
| ganso | vkmc_: I kinda lost track of that patch you were working on. Has it merged? | 15:47 |
| vkmc_ | ganso: no | 15:48 |
| tbarron | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1755795 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755795 in Manila "manila_tempest_tests.tests.scenario.test_share_basic_ops create share failed because share type not found" [Undecided,New] | 15:48 |
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| * dustins updated the bug | 15:48 | |
| vkmc_ | I had to give prio to other work | 15:48 |
| ganso | vkmc_: ok I'll look for it again and see the updates | 15:48 |
| vkmc_ | ganso: thanks! | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: oh, you mean in vkmc_ 's review, right? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'm not sure where I mean | 15:49 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | Just somewhere so that the bug isn't forgotten | 15:49 |
| dustins | ready for the next one? | 15:50 |
| tbarron | dustins: can you add a backlog or don't forget section to this etherpad and add it there? | 15:50 |
| tbarron | then yeah, next :) | 15:50 |
| dustins | tbarron: done | 15:50 |
| ganso | tbarron: I believe vkmc_ 's could add a closes-bug for that one, if it isn't | 15:50 |
| tbarron | dustins: ty | 15:50 |
| dustins | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1753630 | 15:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1753630 in Manila "The net, router, and subnet created in the Manila tempest test process are not cleared" [Undecided,New] | 15:51 |
| * bswartz cringes | 15:52 | |
| dustins | This is our classic "tempest doesn't clean up after itself" bug | 15:52 |
| bswartz | Well there is the more basic question of what should we assume to exist prior to tempest vs what tempest should create itself | 15:52 |
| bswartz | Certain types of objects are awkward to create inside the test framework | 15:53 |
| dustins | bswartz: Like what? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | It's reasonable to require the user to create them and specify them in tempest.conf | 15:53 |
| bswartz | Networks in particular | 15:53 |
| bswartz | If the network has any physical component | 15:54 |
| ganso | bswartz: for DHSS=true it shouldn't be awkward | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | but this bug is about nets routers and subnets *created* in the tests | 15:54 |
| ganso | bswartz: the generic driver creates those and clears them | 15:54 |
| dustins | ganso: Assuming tests don't fail | 15:54 |
| bswartz | Yeah I didn't dig into this specific issue | 15:54 |
| ganso | dustins: yes | 15:54 |
| bswartz | Hopefully this one is as simple as just remembering to cleanup stuff the test creates | 15:54 |
| bswartz | But I recall some test discussion (probably with ganso regarding ipv6) about situations where networks really should be created before tempest runs | 15:55 |
| tbarron | we've had some cleanup of these lately and the bug is for newton | 15:55 |
| ganso | dustins: but it still should clear stuff if it fails, whenever able to | 15:55 |
| dustins | ganso: Totally! | 15:55 |
| tbarron | we're not going to backport fixes for this to newton | 15:55 |
| tbarron | but tatyana is presumably working on a newer release? | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | "create_networks_when_multitenancy_enabled" doesn't mean manila is going to create them, no? this code's in tempest | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | and is part of the credential we acquire to run the test | 15:57 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I need to double check this but I think it does create networks yes | 15:58 |
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| gouthamr | sure thanks ganso, i was planning on setting up the container driver to respond to another similar bug request | 15:59 |
| tbarron | ok, we're about out of time, let's resolve this one in #openstack-manila | 15:59 |
| tbarron | Any last minute remarks? | 15:59 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: but it might be a simple thing for you with NTAP dhss=true :P i'll ping you with a few qs | 16:00 |
| tbarron | OK, thanks everyone -- review the access list priority spec!!! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 26 16:00:29 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-26-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-26-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-04-26-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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