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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 7 15:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| erlon_ | hey | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr zhongjun xyang markstur toabctl bswartz ganso | 15:00 |
| vgreen | here | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hey | 15:01 |
| scorcoran_mtg | o/ | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| erlon_ | tbarron, where do you get the courtesy ping list from? | 15:01 |
| tbarron | erlon_: just manila cores at the moment but I'll set up soemthing like in cinder where anyone can add .... | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all | 15:01 |
| * bswartz guesses tbarron uses a text file on his laptop | 15:01 | |
| erlon_ | ok | 15:01 |
| erlon_ | nice | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | This is our first meeting in three weeks given Summit and recovery from same. | 15:02 |
| tbarron | So good to "see" everyone here. | 15:02 |
| bswartz | :-D | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Today's agenda: | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Manila/Meetings§ion=2 | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | We have hit the Rocky-2 milestone | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:04 |
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| tbarron | manila is a cycle-with-milestones OpenStack project | 15:04 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:04 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-milestones | 15:04 |
| * tbarron pretends not to see vkmc and gouthamr sneaking in | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | so I will be posting patches today for the corresponding b2 release | 15:05 |
| * vgreen gives vkmc and gouthamr hall-way passes | 15:05 | |
| * gouthamr what, i'm awake.. i'm awake | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | and doing admin work to retarget bugs, blueprints, etc from milesone 2 | 15:05 |
| tbarron | For manila this week was the new driver submission deadline | 15:06 |
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| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-manila-driver-deadline | 15:06 |
| tbarron | New drivers had to be substantially complete, with unit tests, and | 15:07 |
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| tbarron | passing 3rd party CI. | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | Did anyone miss the deadline? | 15:07 |
| tbarron | We had Inspur and Pure drivers under consideration. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Inspur is in good shape. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Pure is going to resubmit in Stein. | 15:08 |
| tbarron | I talked with some of the Pure folks at Summit and this isn't a surprise. | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | oh I guess were were on to | 15:09 |
| tbarron | #topic New Drivers | 15:09 |
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| tbarron | :) | 15:09 |
| tbarron | for the record: Inspur made the deadline and Pure will resubmit for Stein. | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Is the Pure driver in good shape? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Was it just the CI system that holds it back? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | simondodsley has noted in the review that the Pure driver will be available out of tree in the mean time | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: we hadn't had any response to outstanding review comments for six weeks | 15:10 |
| tbarron | until today, after I applied the -2 for this release | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Anything else on this subject? | 15:11 |
| tbarron | #topic Feature Spec work | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | New feature work must be merged by Feature Freeze at milestone 3 | 15:12 |
| tbarron | July 26 | 15:12 |
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| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html#r-3 | 15:12 |
| tbarron | We have the following reviews implementing specs that we approved for Rocky. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Add priority for access rules. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572283/ | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Thanks for your work on this Jun and thanks to Amit for reviewing. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | We need more eyes. | 15:14 |
| zhongjun_ | Thanks for listing that | 15:14 |
| tbarron | JSON schema validation | 15:14 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/563429/ | 15:14 |
| tbarron | looks pretty good to me but needs review attention | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | metadata for access rules | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570708/ | 15:15 |
| tbarron | thanks for working on this one too Jun; we need review attention to it | 15:16 |
| tbarron | These are all passing CI. | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | Lets review and get them merged! | 15:16 |
| zhongjun_ | and this: link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571366/ | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: ah yes, thanks, there's a corresponding client side patch for the access-rule metadata work | 15:17 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: I just rechecked that one :) | 15:17 |
| tbarron | Anything else on this topic? | 15:18 |
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| zhongjun_ | tbarron: yeah, The function test fail because of the part of the service code doesn't merge | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: do you mean that the client side patch has a dependency? | 15:19 |
| tbarron | if so, can we express it with a Depends-on tag and get gerrit to test with it? | 15:19 |
| zhongjun_ | dependency on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/570708/ | 15:19 |
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| zhongjun_ | tbarron: oh , yes , it should be | 15:20 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: ok, cool, I assume you will update the tag then | 15:20 |
| tbarron | moving along ... | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topic Summit roundup | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | Manila-related summit sessions: | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=manila | 15:21 |
| tbarron | check them out | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | Do any who attended Summit want to share remarks? | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | crickets | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | I wanted to point out an email thread that came out of the forum | 15:23 |
| tpsilva | just want to say that it was cool to finally meet some of you :D | 15:23 |
| bswartz | Which resonated with me | 15:23 |
| tbarron | tpsilva: yes! | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130802.html | 15:23 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1000 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | The thread got very long | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I recommend reading it, so I won't offer the cliff notes version of it | 15:24 |
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| tbarron | But yes, please read it and let's make sure manila is a leader in evolving our culture along the lines that the community as a whole has decided to go. | 15:25 |
| tbarron | I'm doing a lot more non-voting reviews now. | 15:25 |
| tbarron | Making suggestions, wording changes, etc. w/o voting -1. | 15:25 |
| tbarron | and still voting -1 when I think it's the right thing to do :) | 15:26 |
| erlon_ | tbarron, +1 | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | Thanks for bringing this up bswartz | 15:26 |
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| ganso | I had observed in the past that sometimes people don't the review updates see if you don't vote anything | 15:26 |
| ganso | so I had the habit of -1 just because I'm waiting for an answer | 15:27 |
| tbarron | ganso: that may have been an issue but I think we can shift that behavior as well.. | 15:27 |
| tpsilva | don't see the review updates** | 15:27 |
| tpsilva | just kidding :P | 15:27 |
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| ganso | lol | 15:27 |
| tbarron | in the end patch submitters need positive votes to merge | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | One of the suggestions in the ML thread was that reviewers can simply push their own patchsets if they have a bunch of uncontroversial small nitpicks | 15:28 |
| tbarron | but not every suggestion or nit requires a -1 | 15:28 |
| bswartz | It's more efficient for everyone | 15:28 |
| tpsilva | and if it's such a minor suggestion, the patch can be merged without it being fixed | 15:28 |
| tpsilva | no big deal if an English typo is merged | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: I'd personnaly prefer that but some people think that's rude | 15:28 |
| bswartz | The only risk is colliding with other changes the submitter is working on | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | ganso: that's exactly the part of the culture *I'd* like to change | 15:29 |
| tbarron | The idea is that we ask: is this patch making manila better rather than insisting on perfection | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | Let's take this one up again next week or the next after everyoone has had a chance to read the thread. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | I'll mention that Vicky and I attended the China Mobile presentation on | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | glusterfs in public cloud | 15:31 |
| tbarron | Very impressive. | 15:31 |
| tbarron | But (as I noted publicly) it's a private fork of upstream manila. | 15:31 |
| ganso | tbarron: I watched that, I hope they contribute and interact with us so we can make manila better | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | We talked with the presenters afterwards informally as well and | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | there's a lot of good will and individual interest in | 15:32 |
| tbarron | contributing the work back to manila. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | So we'll see. | 15:32 |
| ganso | tbarron: and also help them improve as well, not only us | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ganso: yes | 15:32 |
| tbarron | so if you see reviews from these guys let's help shepherd them | 15:32 |
| ganso | =) | 15:32 |
| tbarron | through the process | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | This is somewhat related to the thread bswartz pointe to because | 15:33 |
| tbarron | you'll see there anecdotes of potential contributors giving up because of | 15:33 |
| tbarron | perceived negative feedback about nitpicks. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | We of course need to maintain quality, no one is saying that we retrench on that front. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | But that may mean that reviewers take an active role in helping fix up patches where | 15:34 |
| tbarron | there is basically a good idea being proposed. | 15:35 |
| tbarron | Thiago, Erlon, and Dustin did a nice job on their IPv6 preso | 15:35 |
| tbarron | which was well attended and well received. | 15:35 |
| erlon_ | tbarron, Thanks | 15:36 |
| tbarron | In the above link of manila-related presos there is a cool one from CERN that gives manila lots of credit. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I'm thrilled about the progress on IPv6 support -- it's a personal crusade of mine | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I with other projects considered IPv6 as important | 15:36 |
| tbarron | Patrick Donnelly presented our work and plans w.r.t. multi-tenancy, oerformance and scale our of CephNFS back end. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | s/with/wish/ | 15:37 |
| tbarron | bswartz: thanks to you and Jun for driving the IPv6 foundationbal stuff in manila | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | In John Griffith's standalonne cinder session manila came up as well. | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | It was observed that manila can stand alone wherever cinder can and | 15:38 |
| tbarron | is actually free-er to handle non traditionoal consumers | 15:38 |
| tbarron | (consumers other than nova instances) since it serves up | 15:38 |
| tbarron | storage over network rather than through hypervisor. | 15:38 |
| tbarron | We did the usual project update and onboarding sessions. | 15:39 |
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| tbarron | Thanks to vkmc and dustins for the onboarding and to ganso and gouthamr an vkmc for previous summit sessions/slides that we could crib from | 15:39 |
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| tbarron | Our forum session turned out to be attended mostly by | 15:40 |
| erlon_ | worth to note too that the CFP for presentations to Stein is already open, and closes in the end of the month | 15:40 |
| tbarron | HPC/scientific folks, on the one hand, and product managers, on the other | 15:40 |
| tbarron | erlon_: yes, though they are considering extending that deadline | 15:41 |
| tbarron | and forum sessions will be settled later | 15:41 |
| erlon_ | good, I though it was too early given the summit date | 15:41 |
| tbarron | We ran overtime in the forum session, or rather had to quit before | 15:41 |
| tbarron | finishing everything on the etherpad, mostly because I | 15:41 |
| tbarron | (and I hope others) wanted to hear more about | 15:42 |
| tbarron | how Minnesota SuperComputing Center, Square Kilometer Arrray, and Cern | 15:42 |
| tbarron | are or are planning to use manila | 15:42 |
| tbarron | We agreed to bring some of the etherpad and off-etherpad feature requests into future sessions of this meeting. | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Some related HPC presentations where manila was discussed: | 15:44 |
| tbarron | https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/containers-on-baremetal-and-preemptible-vms-at-cern-and-ska | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/lessons-learned-in-deploying-openstack-for-hpc-users | 15:44 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/vancouver-2018/ceph-and-the-cern-hpc-infrastructure | 15:45 |
| tbarron | Anything else on Summit? | 15:45 |
| tbarron | #topic bugs | 15:45 |
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| tbarron | dustin do you have anything for us today? | 15:45 |
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| * tbarron thinks dustin has been plenty busy on other fronts downstream | 15:46 | |
| gouthamr | hey tbarron: thanks for doing the great/painstaking job for summarizing this for those of us who didn't attend in person :) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: +1 | 15:47 |
| zhongjun_ | tbarron: Thank you so much | 15:47 |
| markstur | ++ | 15:47 |
| tbarron | np, i was worried I might be boring folks .... | 15:47 |
| * dustins peaks head in | 15:47 | |
| dustins | I've been heads down in downstream stuff, so I haven't looked at bugs :( | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | dustins: it's bug time, if you have any | 15:48 |
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| dustins | And I'm out the next two weeks on PTO, so y'all are on your own for bug scrubs :D | 15:48 |
| tbarron | ok, we can skip this one for today | 15:48 |
| tbarron | dustin will be with dennis rodman next week I hear | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Do we need to worry about summer vacation affecting the release? | 15:48 |
| * tbarron jokes | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | LOL | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: if you are on summer vaction then you won't worry and if not you just get the release done | 15:49 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:49 |
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| * bswartz hunts down release schedule | 15:49 | |
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| bswartz | Okay feature freeze is towards the end of July and RC1 early august | 15:50 |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Not terrible from a vacation perspective | 15:50 |
| tbarron | everyone in europe will be on vacation in August I think | 15:51 |
| bswartz | There was one year when the summer feature freeze hit right in the middle of the European vacation season | 15:51 |
| bswartz | It looks like this time August will be mostly quiet time leading up to the release | 15:51 |
| tbarron | One thing I'll mention was that python3 readiness may well be a Stein or T cross-project goal. | 15:53 |
| tbarron | So it's good that we are working on it. | 15:53 |
| tbarron | Also there was talk of openstack-client integration as a cross-project goal. | 15:54 |
| tbarron | Not settled but it is an area (and the SDK in general, and ansible integration) where we in manila | 15:54 |
| tbarron | are behind. | 15:54 |
| tbarron | And the general tenor of this Summit was less *OpenStack* per se than | 15:55 |
| tbarron | Open Infrastructure (stack or not) | 15:55 |
| tbarron | so we really need to get our SDK story in order. | 15:55 |
| tbarron | Comments? Grenades? | 15:55 |
| * bswartz throws a grenade | 15:56 | |
| * tbarron wonders where he aimed it? | 15:56 | |
| bswartz | I just like grenades | 15:56 |
| tbarron | OK, it looks like we're done for this week :) | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | and he has TSA-pre! | 15:57 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:57 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone!! | 15:57 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 7 15:57:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-07-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-07-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-06-07-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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