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| masahito | hi, time to blazar meeting | 09:00 |
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| masahito | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 3 09:00:33 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
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| masahito | #topic RollCall | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | o/ | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
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| priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
| masahito | Today's agenda is | 09:01 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I'm sorry but I will leave in about 30mins | 09:01 |
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| masahito | 1. Placement support | 09:01 |
| masahito | 2. PTG schedule | 09:01 |
| masahito | 3. AOB | 09:01 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi, priteau, tetsuro: hi | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hi everyone | 09:01 |
| hiro-kobayashi | hello! | 09:01 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: got it. Let's start from your topic. | 09:02 |
| hiro-kobayashi | ok | 09:02 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:02 |
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| masahito | #topic Placement API support | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Placement API support (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:02 | |
| hiro-kobayashi | I have one topic to discuss about the Placement spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576343/ | 09:02 |
| masahito | hiro-kobayashi added the item. Let's start from this. | 09:03 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | It is about the ID of the host. | 09:03 |
| hiro-kobayashi | To access the resource provider of the compute host, the UUID of the host is neccesary | 09:04 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | The host UUID is returned by ver.2.53 and later | 09:04 |
| hiro-kobayashi | See https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#show-hypervisor-details in detail. | 09:05 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So, if blazar uses ~2.52 version of Compute API, the id is integer. | 09:05 |
| priteau | When was 2.53 released? | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | So, I added a new column 'resource_provider_uuid' into the computehosts table | 09:06 |
| hiro-kobayashi | This is for keeping existing host ids. | 09:06 |
| priteau | It's part of the Pike release version 9.1.0 | 09:07 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Alternative is not to add the 'resource_provider_uuid' and update the existing host's ids to the string UUID in a migration script. | 09:07 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: yes. | 09:07 |
| tetsuro | priteau: 2.53 is pike maximum | 09:08 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteu: In ChameleonCloud, Blazar uses the integer host id, right? | 09:08 |
| tetsuro | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/api-microversion-history.html | 09:08 |
| hiro-kobayashi | thanks tetsuro | 09:08 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: yes. We are running Ocata's Nova. | 09:09 |
| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: OK. thanks! | 09:09 |
| tetsuro | Today, I come to think we can use hostname as an identifier and we can get the uuid from the placement using the hostname | 09:09 |
| priteau | But I don't want the fact that we run an older release to complicate the code | 09:09 |
| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: Actually, we create Blazar hosts based on the hypervisor hostname. The lookup of the Nova ID is automatic. | 09:10 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | tetsuro: Do you mean the 'resource_provider_uuid' column is not needed? | 09:10 |
| tetsuro | I mean that is not needed, yes. | 09:10 |
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| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: My question is latest Hypervisor list API supports query parameter, right? | 09:11 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | tetsuro: make sense. Use the hostname to access the resource provider. | 09:11 |
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| tetsuro | Looks like hostname is identical, so we can use that hostname to get the uuid asking to placement every time | 09:12 |
| hiro-kobayashi | masahito: yes, it seems to. | 09:12 |
| priteau | Looking up from hostname is the most admin-friendly way to do it. | 09:13 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | OK. Now it's clear. Remove the 'resource_provider_uuid' and use the hostname instead. Then, the version problem is solved. | 09:14 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Agree? | 09:14 |
| tetsuro | Agreed. | 09:14 |
| masahito | agreed. | 09:14 |
| priteau | Agreed. | 09:14 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks. I'll update the spec. | 09:15 |
| hiro-kobayashi | 1 more thing to share about the Placement spec. | 09:15 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I changed the primary-assignee to tetsuro | 09:15 |
| tetsuro | that's good with me. | 09:15 |
| hiro-kobayashi | tetsuro has already started implementation and I think it's better. | 09:15 |
| masahito | np | 09:16 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | Thanks tetsuro! And I added you in co-authored-by | 09:16 |
| tetsuro | Thanks! | 09:16 |
| priteau | Thanks tetsuro and hiro-kobayashi! | 09:17 |
| masahito | Thanks a lot! | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I'll update the Launchpad assignee, too. | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | My pleasure ;-) | 09:17 |
| masahito | I already see lots of patch in gerrit. Great works! | 09:17 |
| hiro-kobayashi | That's all about Placement API support | 09:18 |
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| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: Thanks. | 09:19 |
| masahito | anything else? | 09:19 |
| hiro-kobayashi | no | 09:20 |
| masahito | #topic PTG schedule | 09:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG schedule (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:20 | |
| masahito | Thierry shared the proposed schedule of the Denver PTG. | 09:20 |
| masahito | Thierry | 09:20 |
| masahito | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131881.html | 09:20 |
| masahito | Blazar is scheduled on Monday and Tuesday. | 09:21 |
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| masahito | Does someone have any conflict or problem at the schedule? | 09:21 |
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| tetsuro | nope, I can join | 09:22 |
| masahito | Scientific SIG is also scheduled on Monday. It is one of the schedule conflict. | 09:22 |
| priteau | There's the Scientific SIG at the same time, but I don't know yet if I will attend anyway. | 09:22 |
| masahito | OK. looks no big schedule conflict. | 09:23 |
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| priteau | Having Nova separate is the most important, so that we can attend placement API discussions | 09:24 |
| masahito | any comments for the schedule? | 09:24 |
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| masahito | Yes. I guess that's why the Blazar is scheduled on Mon. and Tue. | 09:25 |
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| tetsuro | Cool! | 09:25 |
| masahito | #topic AOB | 09:26 |
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| masahito | Does someone have topic to share or discuss? | 09:27 |
| priteau | I do | 09:28 |
| masahito | priteau: okay, you have a floor :-) | 09:28 |
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| priteau | I am starting a new job at StackHPC today. I will still be involved in Chameleon for some time. | 09:29 |
| priteau | And in Blazar of course :-) | 09:30 |
| hiro-kobayashi | Oh, Congrats! | 09:30 |
| masahito | Congrats!! | 09:30 |
| priteau | Thanks! I have a new email address that I will share with you, though my uchicago.edu address is still working until mid-August. | 09:31 |
| hiro-kobayashi | What is your primary role or mission? | 09:31 |
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| masahito | crossing my fingers to your new job | 09:32 |
| tetsuro | Congrats! | 09:32 |
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| priteau | hiro-kobayashi: My role is Senior Technical Lead. StackHPC offers consulting so I may be working for various clients. | 09:33 |
| priteau | Hopefully Blazar will be an important part of it :-) | 09:34 |
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| hiro-kobayashi | priteau: Nice role! I hope so :-) | 09:34 |
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| masahito | I hope so. We're waiting nice feedbacks from user side and developer side ;-) | 09:36 |
| masahito | I have one item to hear your idea. | 09:37 |
| hiro-kobayashi | I'm sorry but I gotta go. thank you and good bye all | 09:37 |
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| masahito | hiro-kobayashi: thanks | 09:37 |
| masahito | TC team asked me whether this team or projct has any problem. | 09:38 |
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| masahito | They told they would support the issue. | 09:38 |
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| masahito | IMO, complex document links is one of our problem. | 09:39 |
| masahito | any other ideas to ask them? | 09:40 |
| priteau | What is the problem with document links? | 09:40 |
| masahito | s/ to ask them?/ to ask them for support?/ | 09:41 |
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| masahito | I means docs.openstac.org or openstack site have lots of link to specific project but the configuration is very complex. | 09:42 |
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| masahito | So it's hard to update all the link correctly. | 09:42 |
| masahito | I plan to tell which repoes we should update? | 09:44 |
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| masahito | For example, the project navigator doesn't show Blazar project even though we're an official but I can't find the repo for the page. | 09:45 |
| priteau | I see. I think some things on the web page may be managed outside of Git repos. | 09:45 |
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| masahito | right. | 09:46 |
| masahito | anything else? if nothing, we can finish early this meeting. | 09:47 |
| tetsuro | nothing from me. | 09:48 |
| priteau | Nothing else from me. | 09:49 |
| masahito | OK, let's finish the meeting. | 09:49 |
| masahito | thanks all! Next weekly meeting has review meeting, too. | 09:49 |
| tetsuro | Thanks | 09:49 |
| masahito | bye. | 09:49 |
| masahito | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 3 09:49:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-03-09.00.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-03-09.00.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-07-03-09.00.log.html | 09:49 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 09:50 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 3 16:00:04 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar, jdennis, ruan_he, wxy, sonuk | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | o/ | 16:00 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:01 |
| jgrassler | o/ | 16:01 |
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| lbragstad | we'll give it another minute | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | BEEP BEEP BEEP *hits snooze button* | 16:02 |
| lbragstad | #topic release information | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release information (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| lbragstad | #info reminder that feature freeze is July 13th | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | so - just under two weeks away | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | with that, we have a few efforts that still need reviews | 16:03 |
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| lbragstad | mainly capability lists, unified limits, and mfa receipts | 16:03 |
| kmalloc | unified limits is mostly ready afaict, just needs eyes. MFA receipts needs in-depth reviewing, and capability lists should be pretty light | 16:04 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | afaik the capability lists stuff needs opinions on the database migrations | 16:04 |
| knikolla | friday the 13th is perfect for a release | 16:04 |
| jgrassler | Yes. | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | i think that's what jgrassler wanted feedback on | 16:04 |
| jgrassler | That is kind of blocking all the rest :-/ | 16:04 |
| kmalloc | i | 16:05 |
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| kmalloc | 'll review them post meeting | 16:05 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572776/ | 16:05 |
| ayoung | WhadIMiss? | 16:05 |
| * kmalloc is on a tear about migrations and ensuring we don't have wonk-i-ness | 16:05 | |
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| kmalloc | so i'll cover migration reviews here [hopefully not too crazy] | 16:05 |
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| lbragstad | so far - that's the only review i'm tracking for capability lists (jgrassler correct me if i'm wrong) | 16:05 |
| jgrassler | kmalloc: thanks! | 16:05 |
| jgrassler | lbragstad: yes, it is. | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: 3 initiatives need review - capability lists, unified limits, and mfa receipts | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | good deal | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | unified limits has a *whole* bunch of moving pieces | 16:06 |
| ayoung | capabilities list is kinda something I made happen, so I'll keep an eye on that, too | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | but they are pretty isolated | 16:06 |
| jgrassler | lbragstad: I can't write any of the rest before the data model has ceased to be a moving target :-/ | 16:06 |
| knikolla | as for mutable config, we need a way to get events about file updates | 16:06 |
| knikolla | uwsgi conveniently has one https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/PythonDecorators.html#uwsgidecorators.filemon | 16:06 |
| knikolla | but for other we need a different mechanism | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: right, we can also simply look at mtime | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | #topic release goals | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release goals (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:07 | |
| ayoung | jgrassler, I'm not a fan of the two table approach now that I look. Lets discuss that later | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | i just realized i doubled up topics - let's move on to release goals though | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | we don't have to worry about mox | 16:08 |
| knikolla | kmalloc: would we do that every request? | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: and i'm looking at a way to make all our drivers/controllers/etc share state (see the __shared_state__ bit, borg pattern)- if we do that we can simply instantiate a new object as needed. the main issue we've had in the past is that state is explicit and could end up with partial loading. | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: mtime check is cheap. | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | but we still have yet to decide on how to approach #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/enable-mutable-configuration.html | 16:08 |
| jgrassler | ayoung: sure | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: so we could. | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: [we already do that for policy.json] | 16:08 |
| knikolla | alright, i'll push something today during office hours | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: sweet | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | jgrassler: personally i found it helpful to write things the other way around, e.g. starting with the controller and working backwards https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524423/1 | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | but that's just me | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: ++ | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: or at least the manager layer | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | ya or that | 16:09 |
| ayoung | post AppCreds, I want to revisit unified delegation | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: lets chat post meeting re: shared state and config | 16:10 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla: do you want to take an action for the release goal? | 16:10 |
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| cmurphy | so will the flask stuff help us with the mutable config thing? | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | i was wondering that, too... | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: it should in some ways. | 16:10 |
| ayoung | we've got too many mechanisms, and we should really have one. Now that cmurphy has built one, and jgrassler is about to, we'll have the critical mass to tackle reworking it | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | because controllers are instnatiated on-demand | 16:11 |
| ayoung | so...services should be able to re-read configus without a restart. kill -1 semantics | 16:11 |
| knikolla | all we need to do is make a call to oslo.config with the new config. the hard part is knowing when to (which is where the mtime check comes in place) | 16:11 |
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| ayoung | seems like it should be an oslo-config feature. | 16:11 |
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| kmalloc | driver loading and api loading on-demand if we share state(s) [see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/571955/ as a lead in] | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | could be done easily | 16:11 |
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| kmalloc | ayoung: oslo-config is doing it, but we have some issues with how we hold state based upon config | 16:12 |
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| ayoung | kmalloc, like which drivers we've initialized, I take it? | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | even "debug" - we need to load consistently across the board for the config object | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: and if they have locally stored bits about config | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | some do | 16:12 |
| ayoung | like the LDAP stuff | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | debug is a low barrier, but generally most of our configs could be made mutable | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | since we're mostly atomic/stateless between requests [MFA receipts aside, and that is still stateless] | 16:13 |
| ayoung | I wonder if we can take LDAP out of the config altogether and use domain specific config mechansim for that and for mappings...hmmmm | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | debug log is enough to complete the goal | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | right. | 16:13 |
| knikolla | yep | 16:13 |
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| lbragstad | right now i'm just concerned with getting that done ;0 | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | :) | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | so, anyway, the key is that all keystone processes need to know ocnfig changed and we don't use oslo-service | 16:14 |
| ayoung | So we need to do an audit and build a checklist of places where we hold state. Do we have that? | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | so mtime check is likely the best. | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | we can't lean on uwsgi alone because not everyone deploys with uwsgi | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | (though they should) | 16:14 |
| knikolla | i'll push something today. there's air conditioning at work (and not at home) so... | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | knikolla: hehe, ouch and sounds good | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: nice - thanks | 16:15 |
| ayoung | actually, I think we cleaned up LDAP when we went to domain specific | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | anything else on release goals? | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: hmm, could we though? | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | lean on uwsgi i mean | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: i would love to | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | if uwsgi solves the problem can we just say ops who care about this should deploy with uwsgi | 16:15 |
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| knikolla | i don't think any of the downstream packages use it | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | sounds like a good carrot | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | wrm. | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | (though I don't understand how uwsgi solves the problem) | 16:16 |
| ayoung | yeah, lets pull in the Apache/mod_wsgi smart people and get a solution based on that, too | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | cmurphy: it has built-in watcher constructs | 16:16 |
| knikolla | uwsgi has a filemon decorator https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/PythonDecorators.html#uwsgidecorators.filemon | 16:16 |
| knikolla | so instead of checking mtime every request, we decorate a function that mutates the config on file change | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | now, we'd need to stub that out to address the no-uwsgi form. | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | because afaik we can't make uwsgi a dep of keystone | 16:17 |
| ayoung | I don't see us changing RDO/OSP to a different WSGI. | 16:17 |
| ayoung | But I do see us getting a solution based on what we do use | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: i hope RDO/OSP moves to apache/mod_uwsgi | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | honestly | 16:17 |
| ayoung | Apache has a re-read config option. I wonder if that is passed to mods? | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | mod_wsgi has a lot of quirks that are painful in comparison to uwsgi | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | and asking apache to re-read config, it's a reload of the app and causes other weirdness. | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | basically don't expect apache to reload the app unless it's very deliberate "e.g. I deployed a new config, go do that" | 16:18 |
| ayoung | I think that is the only safe way, though | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | mod_wsgi also is not great with python3 | 16:18 |
| ayoung | if you make changes that have to be applied across the board | 16:18 |
| ayoung | if you don't restart, and have old process in the 1/2 done state, it could cause consistency problems | 16:19 |
| * kmalloc is still of the opinion we should lean on etcd for shared mutable configs. | 16:19 | |
| ayoung | Keystone should be a fast restart. I wonder if this is a real problem on the Keystone side? | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | it is a community goal to allow for mutable config loading [debug flag] | 16:19 |
| ayoung | What config options, beside debug, would we want to change on the fly? | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/rocky/enable-mutable-configuration.html | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | right now it's just debug | 16:20 |
| ayoung | I know that page, but it might not make sense across the board | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | i'm inclined to say we make that a separate effort | 16:20 |
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| kmalloc | ayoung: i could see token TTL, allow_expiry_window, etc. but def separate initiative | 16:20 |
| ayoung | anything that is live-change I say we move into the database | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: profiler changes. | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: anyway. for now, just debug. | 16:21 |
| ayoung | read from config, but hold a cached version | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | (log levels come to mind) | 16:21 |
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| lbragstad | regardless, it sounds like we have a couple paths forward | 16:21 |
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| knikolla | there's a packed agenda, let's keep it going or move it to -keystone for office hours | 16:22 |
| ayoung | only can be updated via keystone-manage command | 16:22 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 16:22 |
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| lbragstad | #topic oslo_policy types | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo_policy types (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:22 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: o/ | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | ok. so i've been digging around in oslo-policy | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | a lot. | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | notably for the RBACEnforcer changes for flask. | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | it's made me realzie we're missing a few oslo-policy check types. | 16:22 |
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| kmalloc | example: does a key exist in the target_dict, but not in the creds dict | 16:23 |
| ayoung | heh | 16:23 |
| kmalloc | e.g. "must have a filter when doing a list" | 16:23 |
| kmalloc | right now the DSL cannot make that work because all values from the first part of the colon are explicit key lookups in creds[] | 16:24 |
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| ayoung | I reopened https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165908/ due to that kind of error | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | so saying something like "EXISTS():user_filter" | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | so a user can't list users without a filter of some sort. | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | not high prio, but useful | 16:24 |
| wxy| | kmalloc: ++ | 16:24 |
| ayoung | had a case when looking in the token for a value that was in different locations in V2 and V3] | 16:24 |
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| kmalloc | similar with NOTEXISTS | 16:24 |
| wxy| | I hit it when adding project_id filter for limits | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | "you cannot supply a given filter with this role" | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | e.g. no "list_servers?all_projects=True | 16:25 |
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| lbragstad | this feels like business logic | 16:25 |
| ayoung | you should be able to write a rule that, if it is based on a false assumption, will just fail, not cause an API 500 error | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | for example - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1750660 | 16:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1750660 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "The v3 project API should account for different scopes" [High,Triaged] | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: sortof, but most apps do not have insight into roles | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | once you're past the "can i do X" bit | 16:26 |
| ayoung | OK, so missing key is a big one. | 16:26 |
| ayoung | Any others? | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | list_users_for_all_domains example | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | if that is a query-param | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | we should be able to check if it exists or notexists in the policy dsl | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | the last one is an explicit match | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | which would have made ayoung's is_admin_project easier | 16:27 |
| ayoung | so...if jamielennox were here, he would state something about it has to be in oslo-context, right? | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | MATCH(value):TargetDictKey | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | right now you can do literal matches for Cred dict | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | you cannot do literal matches for target dict | 16:27 |
| ayoung | Keystone was like the privileged child for policy checks, as we had the token data in our WSGI context already, but other services were forced to use oslo-context | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | use: Action must be performed with user_id X | 16:28 |
| ayoung | we finally forced Keystone to use Oslo | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | we may also want some "ValueIn" and "ValueNotIn" list operators | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | but those seem further into the weeds | 16:29 |
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| ayoung | so...mising key, could we treat those as a fail? | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | being able to explicitly check if a value (any value) is or is not in the target dict [key check] AND being able to check for an explicit value in the target dict. | 16:30 |
| ayoung | assume the key is there. If it is missing, check fails? | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: so the idea would be: list_users but role X needs filters | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | it fails without a filter | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | "sorry, no filters passed" | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | key doesn't exist | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | the converse is "filtering is deemed expensive in my deplpoyment, you may list everything but not filter" | 16:30 |
| ayoung | righty, so instead of error. | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | "filter is present, so error/fail" | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | and the last one is "filtering on the username FOO is bad, so your username=Foo filter causes a fail" | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | contrived examples | 16:31 |
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| kmalloc | mostly wanted to seed the idea, there are cases where inspecting the target dict without a corresponding cred value is useful | 16:32 |
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| lbragstad | i'm wondering if this is going to push people to carry more custom policy changes than what they do today | 16:32 |
| kmalloc | it might. | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | i might need a bit more time to digest the idea | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | just in testing alone, being able to do these things without craaaazy mock would be awesome. | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | even if we do an oslo_policy fixture that enables these added DSL things would help. | 16:34 |
| kmalloc | but i don't think this is anywhere an emergency to develop | 16:34 |
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| kmalloc | i just had the ideas fresh in my head due to major refactors | 16:34 |
| ayoung | what does it mean if the filter is missing | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | so - maybe a good thing to review in denver | 16:34 |
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| kmalloc | ayoung: your role, "project_sub_admin" may only list users if you provide a filter of some sort, e.g. by username | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: aka list_users?username_starts_with=Foo | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | if you don't provide a filter, we do not allow that to go through. anyway, | 16:36 |
| * kmalloc hands mic off | 16:36 | |
| kmalloc | done on this topic | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | ok - i'll think more on it | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | thanks kmalloc | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | #topic token provider API refactor | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "token provider API refactor (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:37 | |
| lbragstad | ok - i'll make this quick | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | i have a series up that does a ton of refactoring | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | around how we handle tokens | 16:37 |
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| lbragstad | ideally - it makes the interface for token providers sane and super explicit | 16:37 |
| ayoung | what kind of refactorings | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | feel free to check it out, it should help wtih JWT in the future | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | i've remove the token_data dict we pass *everywhere* in favor of an object | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: following up on the KeystonetokenModel work we did before | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | removed* | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | and i redefined the token provider interface | 16:38 |
| ayoung | so...I'd like use to start making a semantic distinction | 16:38 |
| kmalloc | and finalizing it/making it a real thing vs just a dict-ish thing | 16:38 |
| ayoung | a token is opaque | 16:38 |
| ayoung | it points to the auth data | 16:38 |
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| ayoung | and we should keep the two concepts separate in naming | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | internal to keystone it is an immutable object once minted except in 2 cases | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | 3(* | 16:39 |
| ayoung | this is all auth-data | 16:39 |
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| kmalloc | 1) Validation -> token model | 16:39 |
| ayoung | yeah | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | 2) Token Model -> json (user) | 16:39 |
| ayoung | I get a token, I give you auth data, that is validation | 16:39 |
| kmalloc | 3) token model -> oslo_policy enforcer (it needs a dict) | 16:39 |
| ayoung | json is marshalling of the auth data | 16:39 |
| ayoung | tokens should only be used in reference to the different formats like fernet, JWT, PKIZ, UUID, EIEIE! | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | internal to keystone it is now an object, attributes etc, loaded from the backend as needed/cached | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | and the -> JSON, FErnet_ID, JWT, dict is all a marshal stage | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | that is what lbragstad has done | 16:40 |
| ayoung | the blur has been cause, IIUC, because the tokens each had a different core set of data. | 16:40 |
| kmalloc | and tha tis no longer the case. | 16:41 |
| kmalloc | so we're fixing it | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | and it was modified all up and down the stack | 16:41 |
| ayoung | good | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | the tranlation happens in one place now | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | anywho.. just wanted to advertise it | 16:41 |
| ayoung | I think I'm on board. I might be a stickler for some name changes, but the concept is sound | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1778945 | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1778945 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Complexity in token provider APIs" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | starts here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1778945+status:open | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | i'm good to move on - but if you have questions or want to get into the design, just ask me :) | 16:42 |
| ayoung | I think a big part of that legacy is from the UUID tokens, which serialized EVERYTHING in a blob | 16:42 |
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| kmalloc | yep, and yay, dead. | 16:42 |
| ayoung | this actually ties in with unified delegation | 16:42 |
| ayoung | the idea is a that a token points to some delegation agreement | 16:42 |
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| kmalloc | anyway, this is all internal-to-keystone code, so no functional change outside. which is a good starting place for what you want ayoung, lets get this change in and then work on buiding on top of it :) | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: this might help with that, want to pick it up in -keystone afterwords? | 16:43 |
| ayoung | the data in the token itself should be limited to identity, time, delegation agreement | 16:43 |
| ayoung | WFM | 16:43 |
| ayoung | good job | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | awesome | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | and i totally think this change is the start of that | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | #topic unified limits | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "unified limits (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:43 | |
| ayoung | I +2ed a couple of those this morning | 16:43 |
| kmalloc | the DB migrations should both be gating... | 16:43 |
| lbragstad | there is a bunch of things for this | 16:43 |
| ayoung | we'll keep on them | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | wxy|: has been doing a bunch of the server side bits | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | but the implementation would be good to get eyes on | 16:44 |
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| lbragstad | we also have client support in ksc now | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | which was release last week i think? | 16:44 |
| ayoung | excellent | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | and we have patches to consume it in osc | 16:44 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.limit+status:open | 16:44 |
| ayoung | need to make sure it gets into shade | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | sorry | 16:45 |
| ayoung | so we can do this from ansible...I've learned the hardway that Ansible is the finish line for affecting change in Keystone, at least for me | 16:45 |
| lbragstad | these are the osc reviews | 16:45 |
| lbragstad | # https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-openstackclient+branch:master+topic:bp/unified-limits | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: you mean openstacksdk | 16:45 |
| ayoung | yep | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | :) | 16:45 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, I'll stop throwing shade...around | 16:45 |
| lbragstad | i started working on the oslo.limit bits yesterday | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.limit+status:open | 16:46 |
| * ayoung can hear the groans through your open TCP connections | 16:46 | |
| kmalloc | i still think shade needed a .throw method >.> | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | curious to get feedback there - i need to incorporate the ksa bits though | 16:46 |
| * kmalloc cuts down on the snark. | 16:46 | |
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| lbragstad | but the basic context maanger approach should be there | 16:46 |
| lbragstad | just so folks know, oslo.limit core consists of oslo-core and keystone-core | 16:46 |
| ayoung | ++ | 16:47 |
| ayoung | can we grab oslo.policy, too? Right now, I might be the only core on that | 16:47 |
| ayoung | that is also core on Keystone, I mean | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | wxy|: do you have anything in particular you want to share with respect to unified limits | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: uh i think we do have oslo-policy, don't we? | 16:47 |
| cmurphy | oslo.policy core has keystone core | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/556,members | 16:47 |
| lbragstad | the keystone-core group in included there | 16:47 |
| ayoung | Excellent, I missed when that happend. Cool | 16:47 |
| wxy| | lbragstad: no, all goes well. Just need eyes on. ;) | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | wxy|: awesome | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | at some point in the next couple weeks, we'll need to assess making it stable | 16:48 |
| lbragstad | since we had a check point for that at the beginning of the release | 16:48 |
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| lbragstad | sounds like we can move on though | 16:49 |
| lbragstad | #topic policy management tool | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy management tool (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:49 | |
| lbragstad | ayoung: o/ | 16:49 |
| ayoung | So, thanks to kmalloc for getting me started in FLask, I have the kernel of a new project | 16:49 |
| ayoung | right now, I can upload policy.json and .yaml files and put them into a database table. | 16:49 |
| ayoung | w00t | 16:50 |
| ayoung | migrations are Alembic, DB is MYsql | 16:50 |
| ayoung | FLask REST | 16:50 |
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| ayoung | the idea is that it would be used prior to deployment, | 16:50 |
| ayoung | gather the policy files from the different locations, upload, munge, regenerate, distribute | 16:50 |
| ayoung | tool would take you as far as regenerate | 16:51 |
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| ayoung | here's where I need help | 16:51 |
| ayoung | what are the transforms we need to make it easy to work with policy? | 16:51 |
| ayoung | Ideally, we would take a look at people that have modified their policy files in the past, and implement tooling to automate those transitions | 16:52 |
| ayoung | for example, what would it mean to "enforce scope" | 16:52 |
| ayoung | or to implement a "read only role" | 16:52 |
| ayoung | and so on | 16:52 |
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| ayoung | so, if you have ideas, feel free to drop them in the github tools | 16:52 |
| ayoung | issues, pull requests, etc | 16:52 |
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| lbragstad | nice | 16:53 |
| ayoung | I want to try and have a workable demo for the Berlin summit | 16:53 |
| ayoung | if anyone wants to co-present, please point them my way | 16:53 |
| ayoung | I'm thinking about implementing a git-style revision mechanism, so you can roll back to an old version, etc | 16:53 |
| ayoung | would love some help on thinking that through, too. | 16:54 |
| ayoung | Is anyone here interested in helping? Is there anyone in the larger community that wants to participate? | 16:54 |
| ayoung | once we have something that works, I'll propose formally moving it under the identity program in OpenStack | 16:54 |
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| ayoung | or whatever the proper name is for the group Lance is PTL of | 16:55 |
| ayoung | :) | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | i wouldn't mind keeping tabs on it | 16:55 |
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| ayoung | I'll try to set up a demo in a week or two | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | i'll read up on the post you have | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | if you record something that'd be good, too | 16:55 |
| ayoung | Good idea. I'll try to do that | 16:55 |
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| lbragstad | i did that with the system scope stuff, organizing a time is hard to do | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | alright - final topic | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | #topic policy meetings | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "policy meetings (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:57 | |
| lbragstad | i sent a note about this a while ago | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130116.html | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | responses were light though | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | i think we're at a point where we can disband the meeting | 16:57 |
| ayoung | POlicy is only one cross cutting concern. we should have a policy section of the Keystone meeting, and a policy section of the cross-project meeting | 16:57 |
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| ayoung | having it in its own meeting gets only the intersection, and we want the union | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | sure - i think we get pretty good policy coverage in this meeting | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | if no one has objections - i'll propose the removal | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | ping me if you would like to discuss! | 16:59 |
| lbragstad | otherwise - thanks for the time and getting through all the topics | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | see folks in office hours! | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 3 17:00:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-07-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-07-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-07-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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