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| jokke_ | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 2 14:00:59 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #topic roll-call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll-call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 2 14:01:17 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-02-14.00.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-02-14.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2018/glance.2018-08-02-14.00.log.html | 14:01 |
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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 2 15:00:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| amito | .o/ hello | 15:00 |
| vkmc | o/ hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | i'm skipping the courtesy ping | 15:00 |
| tbarron | so I don't get banned | 15:01 |
| amito | good choice after last week | 15:01 |
| tbarron | so nudge your comrades | 15:01 |
| tbarron | bswartz isn't on | 15:01 |
| tbarron | or gouthamr | 15:01 |
| tbarron | some folks may just now be discovering that they need to register their nicks | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | the spam issue was bad so most of the openstack channels are +r now | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:02 |
| ganso | tbarron: is this different than what we had to do to be able to PM other users? | 15:02 |
| tbarron | xyang no courtesy ping any more | 15:02 |
| tbarron | ganso: you mean to pm bswartz | 15:03 |
| tbarron | I didn't require it | 15:03 |
| ganso | hmmm weird | 15:03 |
| tbarron | but may have to | 15:03 |
| ganso | not sure why I had to | 15:03 |
| tbarron | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:04 | |
| dustins | \o | 15:04 |
| tbarron | No one nominated themselves for PTL besides me, so | 15:04 |
| tbarron | I'm the Stein PTL. | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | we're stuck with you | 15:04 |
| tbarron | That'll teach you to be apathetic! | 15:05 |
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| gouthamr | :P congratulations :) | 15:05 |
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| amito | congrats :D | 15:05 |
| dustins | tbarron: Congratulations on your 100% margin of victory :) | 15:05 |
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| nirg22 | hi | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Thanks all, please make sure that I do a good job, or start doing a good job. | 15:05 |
| ganso | congrats tbarron! | 15:05 |
| tbarron | We've got stuff to do. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | hi nirg22 | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Next week is RC1 target. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | That's the release candidate. | 15:06 |
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| vkmc | tbarron++ | 15:06 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:06 |
| tbarron | The '1' in RC1 is not encouragement to have multiple rcs :) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | whew, sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| tbarron | bswartz: hi!, good to have you here. | 15:06 |
| bswartz | data center upgrade ran 10 minutes over | 15:06 |
| tbarron | We'll aim to cut rc1 on Wednesday, 8 august. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Deadline is Thursday. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | We want to flush out any bad bugs and fix them by then. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | And ideally RC1 will *be* our release. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | We'll look at bugs in a moment, but any questions about the target, process? | 15:08 |
| tbarron | OK, also want to remind about the PTG planning etherpad. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:09 |
| tbarron | Please note if you are attending, physically or remotely, and | 15:09 |
| tbarron | add topics for discussion as you think of them. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | Anyone have any other announcements? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | #topic Python3 goal for Stein & third party jobs | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 goal for Stein & third party jobs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:10 | |
| tbarron | You may have seen the mail with the weekly Technical Committee summary, which | 15:11 |
| tbarron | mentioned the Stein cycle python3 first goal | 15:11 |
| tbarron | which says that all projects will run python 3 jobs in gate | 15:11 |
| tbarron | I asked | 15:11 |
| tbarron | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-tc/%23openstack-tc.2018-08-01.log.html#t2018-08-01T19:38:26 | 15:12 |
| tbarron | whether that includes third-party CI jobs. | 15:12 |
| tbarron | many openstack projects don't have multiple back ends and drivers the way manila and cinder do. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | so we're a bit special. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Anyways, we're thinking that we should make an etherpad or other | 15:13 |
| bswartz | What exactly does that mean? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | No more python2? | 15:14 |
| tbarron | public traker for the Stein cycle and encourage third-party jobs to convert or add python3 | 15:14 |
| tbarron | tracker | 15:14 |
| tbarron | and then report on tested-with-python3 in a matrix | 15:14 |
| tbarron | bswartz: it doesn't mean we have to abandon py2 | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I'm interested in when we *can* abandon py2 | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I'd love to delete all that "six" crap | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: but we should either replace jobs with py3 or duplicate | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, but first step is to get working py3 jobs whereever we have py2 | 15:15 |
| xyang | Hi, sorry I am late | 15:15 |
| tbarron | xyang!! | 15:15 |
| tbarron | always good to have you | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Is there a requirement to continue to test with py2? Or is it optional? | 15:16 |
| xyang | tbarron thanks! | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I didn't see any such requirement. But for us I think | 15:16 |
| bswartz | And if py2-specific bugs are found, is it acceptable to not fix them? | 15:16 |
| tbarron | the long pole will be getting all our third-party jobs to run py3. | 15:16 |
| tbarron | When all our jobs *can* run py3 and pass (as much as they do now, not fail | 15:17 |
| tbarron | on py3 errors) then we can consider dropping support for py2. | 15:17 |
| tbarron | At least in master. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | It seems to me that the trickiest part of all of this is when we can nudge customers off of py2, if any are still clinging | 15:18 |
| tbarron | bswartz: agree | 15:18 |
| bswartz | The main problem is the RHEL6.x distro | 15:18 |
| bswartz | RHEL7 and all other distros have py3 | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | doubt anyone will deploy newer openstack with older distros, RHEL 6.x | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | i.e, pretty sure a lot of tooling will break | 15:20 |
| tbarron | not if it's rhel and they want support | 15:20 |
| tbarron | but generalizing here | 15:20 |
| tbarron | distros are moving towards py3 only, | 15:20 |
| tbarron | the tricky part will be stable/branches | 15:20 |
| tbarron | and backports | 15:21 |
| tbarron | so I think we'll have six library around a while | 15:21 |
| tbarron | but maybe I'm wrong | 15:21 |
| bswartz | IIRC, Ceph is also stuck on py2, which may be holding people back from joining us in the future | 15:21 |
| tbarron | in any case, in Stein we need to move jobs to py3 | 15:21 |
| bswartz | Although that may have been fixed recently | 15:21 |
| ganso | tbarron: well, unit tests should be able to capture backport problems because of the lack of py2 compatibility | 15:22 |
| tbarron | i think it's happening for ceph, and even for swift | 15:22 |
| ganso | tbarron: unless we agree it is bad to adapt the code when doing the backports | 15:22 |
| tbarron | ganso: yes, but bswartz looks forward to not having to care about py2 compatability | 15:22 |
| * erlon quietly opens the back door that makes a huge grit :p | 15:22 | |
| tbarron | he's always looking down the road :) | 15:23 |
| bswartz | At this point it's like supporting Windows XP | 15:23 |
| vkmc | I'm slightly worried about the evenlet use we have in our built-in driver | 15:23 |
| tbarron | ok, anything else on this topic? no one has any issue with us converting first party jobs in Stein and | 15:23 |
| tbarron | encouraging and tracking third-party job conversion | 15:23 |
| tbarron | right? | 15:23 |
| vkmc | evenlet py3 compatibility is not near to be done | 15:23 |
| vkmc | at least, that was the case last time I checked | 15:23 |
| tbarron | vkmc: yes!! | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: if you think about it, XP was still supported when windows Vista and 7 came out. So, I believe we will slowly move away from the py2 as they become unsupported | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | vkmc: +1, i think we can start deprecating it | 15:24 |
| ganso | from the py2 *stable branches | 15:24 |
| vkmc | and... also, I'm a bit worried about our ci, it's ok for ubuntu because py3 is available, but for centos gates we don't have py3 | 15:24 |
| tbarron | vkmc: gouthamr: what do we need to do to get off eventlet? | 15:24 |
| vkmc | gouthamr, +1 | 15:24 |
| vkmc | tbarron, start using the wsgi server instead of the built in one | 15:25 |
| vkmc | :) | 15:25 |
| tbarron | so we depreacte the built in server at the beginning of Stein | 15:25 |
| bswartz | what? | 15:25 |
| tbarron | make a patch and put it in review now | 15:25 |
| bswartz | The built in server is important for debugging | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | yep, although we might need a one-cycle deprecation, we're still deploying manila-api in rocky in OSP, addressing that right now | 15:25 |
| bswartz | How do you run a WSGI container in a debugger? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | and remove it in T | 15:26 |
| tbarron | bswartz: just finishing the thought, now to your point.. | 15:26 |
| tbarron | if we remove it, do we lose important debug capability? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Yes we do | 15:27 |
| bswartz | We had this discussion in Atlanta when we talked about adding WSGI | 15:27 |
| bswartz | The understanding was that we add a new option but no plan to take away the old option | 15:27 |
| ganso | bswartz: with logging? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | bswartz: is this a bad dilemma b/c debug implies lack of py3 support? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | If we take away old option we lose a useful ability | 15:27 |
| tbarron | vkmc: ^^^? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | IDK what the eventlet+py3 situation is | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | https://modwsgi.readthedocs.io/en/develop/user-guides/debugging-techniques.html#python-interactive-debugger | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I've never been thrilled with eventlet | 15:28 |
| tbarron | sounds like a PTG topic | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | ^ haven't tried that, but we'll have to, to take a call | 15:28 |
| tbarron | vkmc would you make sure it's on the PTG ethepad | 15:28 |
| tbarron | also, the issue is not manila specific so we'll need to socialize the problem | 15:29 |
| tbarron | vkmc I think you were talking with dhellmann about it earlier? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | Yeah the discussion in Atlanta I spoke of was in the TC goals session | 15:29 |
| bswartz | It was a cross-project forum | 15:29 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ack, makes sense | 15:29 |
| tbarron | ok, let's move on for now, glad we got this issue out in front | 15:30 |
| tbarron | #topic review focus | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review focus (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:30 | |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-review-focus | 15:31 |
| tbarron | I've updated this page quite a bit | 15:31 |
| tbarron | we'll cut a manila-ui release at the end of the rocky cycle | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ideally we'll be ready around rc1 time | 15:32 |
| tbarron | we have a bad bug which vkmc is fixing | 15:32 |
| tbarron | so we need to get it in first | 15:32 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587269/ | 15:33 |
| tbarron | also it would be nice to get the mox requirement removed since that's a community goal | 15:33 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/584795/ | 15:33 |
| bswartz | Removed? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | Oh yes | 15:33 |
| tbarron | we have a transitive requirement through horizon | 15:34 |
| tbarron | no work for us to do but a flag will get toggled | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | I don't think there are other ui fixes that we need before release but | 15:34 |
| tbarron | if anyone else knows of some please ping me! | 15:34 |
| jun2222 | hi | 15:34 |
| tbarron | jun2222: hi, are you "our" Jun? | 15:35 |
| jun2222 | yes :D | 15:35 |
| tbarron | :D | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | jun2222: welcome | 15:35 |
| tbarron | OK, moving on to manila proper. | 15:35 |
| bswartz | jun2222: having problems getting registered with freenode? | 15:35 |
| jun2222 | My network is not good | 15:35 |
| tbarron | we have a serious scheduler bug, isn't working on share protocols | 15:36 |
| jun2222 | bswartz: you know me | 15:36 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/586456/ | 15:36 |
| tbarron | This one needs review attention. | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | I don't know if we can get a fix before rc1 in place, but let's see. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | jun2222: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 15:36 |
| jun2222 | bswartz: Completely correct | 15:37 |
| ganso | hmmm why is there a new filter? I believe that this filtering functionality was working before | 15:37 |
| tbarron | we have the community goal of mutable config, which we thought we'd dpone | 15:37 |
| tbarron | done | 15:37 |
| tbarron | but there's a bug | 15:37 |
| tbarron | and a proposed fix at | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | ganso: do you recall when it was working? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ganso: somehow the scheduler regressed | 15:37 |
| bswartz | It would be great to do the forensics and see when/why it broke | 15:38 |
| bswartz | That might inform the best way to fix it | 15:38 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/585890/ | 15:38 |
| ganso | no, but I remember there is a capability that the backends should report, like "supported_protocols" or something like that, then the Capability Filter would try to see if the protocol is contained in that string | 15:38 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, might be a better approach than the current proposal in review | 15:38 |
| tbarron | less risky | 15:39 |
| ganso | that's how it used to work | 15:39 |
| ganso | a backend reporting "NFS_CIFS" would accept both protocols | 15:39 |
| ganso | backends reporting only "NFS" or "CIFS" would not | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | ganso: interesting... teh capability filer is supposed to only look at the extra-specs and not the other parts of the request spec, unless we were adding share_proto in there | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:40 |
| ganso | so, I am not sure creating a new mechanism is better than investigating why the old one is not working anymore, this could introduce more bugs. I agree with bswartz on this | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | ganso: did you implement the "old" mechanism? | 15:41 |
| ganso | tbarron: no, it was already working when I joined manila | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | The mechanism ganso describes goes back to Manila 1.0 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov wrote it | 15:41 |
| ganso | I noticed this old mechanism behavior when I coded drivers for Hitachi long time ago | 15:41 |
| ganso | and it was working, I validated it | 15:42 |
| tbarron | i wonder if someone fixed the capabilities filter to only filter on capabilities in extra-specs | 15:42 |
| tbarron | that is, removed a hack that made this work | 15:42 |
| tbarron | Let's talk about this one in #openstack-manila and see if we can get a solution | 15:43 |
| tbarron | in place before we ship | 15:43 |
| ganso | tbarron: ideally, that's what the capability filter should do, our protocol filtering was a custom behavior in it. It is still there somewhere in the code I believe, but it is broken and/or causing problems. If we create this ProtocolFiltering (which is a good idea, instead of custom CapabilityFilter behavior), we should find and remove the old code | 15:43 |
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| jun2222 | I remember we add it because we want to support both capabilities true and false for capacity filter | 15:44 |
| bswartz | More worrying, why didn't some test break when the mechanism was removed? | 15:44 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yes! | 15:44 |
| * gouthamr shakes fist at tempest guys | 15:44 | |
| * gouthamr oh.. | 15:44 | |
| ganso | bswartz: because the steps to reproduce involve having separate CIFS and NFS backends present | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | not really | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ganso is right | 15:45 |
| bswartz | To properly test this, you need 2 backends | 15:45 |
| bswartz | Scheduler testing could be a lot better | 15:45 |
| ganso | I believe it could also be reproduced having enabled NFS and CIFS in the API, but having only NFS or CIFS backends. If we are running a CI with only NFS or only CIFS, we would disable the other in the API. I am unaware of any CI that leaves all enabled | 15:46 |
| bswartz | Before we had the dummy driver, testing the scheduler was difficult | 15:46 |
| bswartz | In theory the dummy driver could be used to run tests with a large number of backends | 15:47 |
| bswartz | And really exercise the scheduler's decision making ability | 15:47 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:47 |
| ganso | it could report anything | 15:48 |
| tbarron | I added some stuff to the PTG etherpad w.r.t. scheduler testing but let's see if we can fix *this* | 15:48 |
| tbarron | scheduler issue before rc1 | 15:48 |
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| tbarron | Are there other bugs/reviews on the review focus etherpad that are potential | 15:49 |
| tbarron | release blockers? | 15:49 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-rocky-review-focus | 15:49 |
| * tbarron reminds | 15:49 | |
| tbarron | Even if not, there are some here worth clearing off our plate. | 15:50 |
| tbarron | Please note those where diverse-company reviewers are needed. | 15:50 |
| tbarron | And help. | 15:50 |
| tbarron | OK, anything else on this topic? | 15:51 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:52 |
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| tbarron | dustins: have anything for us this week? | 15:52 |
| bswartz | seems like we're up to our ears in bugs already... | 15:52 |
| dustins | tbarron: Don't think so this week, I think we got them all last week that I could see | 15:53 |
| bswartz | Unless it's a release blocker it seems like we should boot it out | 15:53 |
| dustins | New ones that I saw were already assigned | 15:53 |
| tbarron | ok, moving along | 15:53 |
| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:53 |
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| tbarron | we can talk more about the bugs we touched on here too | 15:54 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: i think vkmc responded to your last review point on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/587269/ | 15:55 |
| tbarron | ^^^ horizon was badly broken folks | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | nice, will take a look thanks tbarron vkmc | 15:55 |
| tbarron | so assuming he's OK, we need a non-red-hat reviewer for that one | 15:55 |
| tbarron | oh, and I'm adding to the PTG etherpad selenium horizon testing for plugins | 15:56 |
| tbarron | e0ne put in his PTL stump speech something about that and | 15:56 |
| vkmc | :D | 15:56 |
| dustins | Oooh | 15:56 |
| tbarron | this one is a great example of how horizon can be totally broken yet pass all our gate tets | 15:56 |
| tbarron | tests | 15:56 |
| dsariel | on tests side: is time permitting also to touch scenario tests topic? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/manila-specs/specs/ocata/scenario-tests.html | 15:57 |
| tbarron | dsariel: two minutes and then take it to #openstack-manila :D | 15:58 |
| tbarron | dsariel: but start please | 15:58 |
| dsariel | ok :-) | 15:58 |
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| gouthamr | hmm, i thought we moved that link to http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/manila-specs/specs/release_independent/scenario-tests.html | 15:58 |
| nirg22 | yes we did | 15:59 |
| dsariel | thanks. I'll update the trello card | 15:59 |
| dsariel | with the new link | 16:00 |
| nirg22 | so regarding the scenario tests, I'm wip on several scenario tests from that list | 16:01 |
| tbarron | ok, we're out of time, let's continue this on #rhos-manila | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | #openstack-manila? | 16:01 |
| dsariel | on #openstack-manila :-) | 16:01 |
| tbarron | #openstack-manila | 16:01 |
| tbarron | !!!! | 16:01 |
| openstack | tbarron: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command. | 16:01 |
| tbarron | Bye everyone, thanks! | 16:01 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 2 16:01:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-02-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-02-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2018/manila.2018-08-02-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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