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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 20 09:00:49 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:01 | |
| masahito | o/ | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hi masahito | 09:01 |
| bertys | o/ | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hi bertys | 09:01 |
| priteau | I see tetsuro is online too | 09:03 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 09:03 |
| priteau | Hi tetsuro | 09:03 |
| priteau | Agenda for today | 09:03 |
| priteau | 1. Berlin Summit summary | 09:03 |
| priteau | 2. stein-2 milestone | 09:03 |
| priteau | 3. AOB | 09:03 |
| priteau | #topic Berlin Summit summary | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin Summit summary (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:04 | |
| priteau | It was a good summit. Good attendance of our project update session. I had discussions with several people who showed interest in using Blazar. | 09:05 |
| priteau | A question at the project update was about how Blazar reservations differ from reservations in public clouds such as AWS. | 09:06 |
| priteau | We should add a bit of content answering this in the documentation intro | 09:07 |
| priteau | #action Document Blazar reservation compared to reservations in public clouds | 09:08 |
| priteau | I also had a discussion with Ghanshyam Mann from the TC who strongly advise us to continue doing project onboarding sessions | 09:09 |
| priteau | Looks like some of them were very well attended | 09:09 |
| priteau | Let's remember it for the next summit | 09:09 |
| priteau | About forum sessions now | 09:10 |
| priteau | The placement session was unfortunately not attended by any placement developer, but the discussion was still productive | 09:11 |
| priteau | Everyone seemed to be in agreement that having a placement client in openstacksdk is a good ide | 09:11 |
| priteau | *idea* | 09:11 |
| * tetsuro nods | 09:13 | |
| masahito | right. But eventually we got the decision :-) | 09:14 |
| priteau | The other session about extending reservations was trying to cover too much ground maybe. We discussed some ideas about how to handle Neutron resources but no big breakthrough. | 09:14 |
| priteau | masahito: I understood that you will update the floating IP spec based on a new approach? | 09:16 |
| masahito | IIUC, the main point was if the placement support non-Nova resources as well, network plugin should utilize the API. | 09:16 |
| masahito | priteau: yes. | 09:16 |
| bertys | just fyi, Melanie (Nova PTL) attended both sessions and shared some notes, can one of us (tetsuro maybe) replies as well to Jay/Sean on openstack discuss? | 09:17 |
| bertys | e.g. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-November/000017.html | 09:17 |
| masahito | The new approach is quite similar to the current Allocation Reserved IP approach that enables user to handle floating ip as usuall. | 09:18 |
| masahito | Once Placement supports floating ip allocation like VM scheduling, we can also utilize that. | 09:19 |
| priteau | bertys: I can reply to Jay | 09:19 |
| bertys | priteau: ok thanks, please let him now that we are still cool with his proposal discussed in Denver | 09:20 |
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| priteau | tetsuro: Do you know what is the status of the spec? Jay mentions Matt has some issues with it but I don't see any comment from him in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603352/ | 09:22 |
| tetsuro | Matt has a lot of comments on that spec; PS4 and PS5 | 09:23 |
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| priteau | Oh, I see them now | 09:24 |
| tetsuro | His concern is about nova side placement request filter change. | 09:25 |
| priteau | There are a lot of comments, I will check them after the meeting | 09:25 |
| priteau | I heard at the summit that the placement API was frozen, what does it mean for this spec? | 09:26 |
| tetsuro | It means this spec will probably be pended off at least to Train | 09:27 |
| tetsuro | But we can focus placement integration of instance reservation in Stein Cycle. | 09:29 |
| priteau | So for sure Ironic compatibility has to move to Train since we require placement aggregates | 09:31 |
| priteau | Anything else from the summit? | 09:32 |
| priteau | If not let's move to the rest of the agenda? | 09:34 |
| masahito | I'm fine | 09:35 |
| priteau | #topic stein-2 milestone | 09:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stein-2 milestone (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:35 | |
| priteau | The milestone date is getting closer and with the Christmas break it means we have around one month left really | 09:36 |
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| priteau | We could dedicate one of the weekly meetings to reviews, making it longer if needed. Is there a Tuesday that works best? | 09:37 |
| masahito | If we do, Tuesday works for me. | 09:38 |
| priteau | I mean, do you have a preference between November 27, December 4, December 11? | 09:38 |
| masahito | 27 Nov. or 11 Dec. is fine. | 09:39 |
| tetsuro | On December 4 I'm in DPDK Summit. | 09:39 |
| bertys | I have a slight preference for December 11 | 09:39 |
| masahito | I'm in business trip on 4 Dec. | 09:39 |
| tetsuro | Dec. 11th works for me. | 09:40 |
| priteau | December 11 is getting late in the cycle, what about we discuss pending patches next week during the meeting hour, and finish on Dec 11 if there are still things to discuss on IRC? | 09:41 |
| tetsuro | That's much better. | 09:43 |
| priteau | Are you all available for the meeting next week? | 09:43 |
| masahito | I'm fine. | 09:44 |
| tetsuro | Fine | 09:45 |
| masahito | I'll be in the next meeting. | 09:45 |
| priteau | Agenda for the next meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Blazar#Agenda_for_27_Nov_2018 | 09:46 |
| priteau | I propose we cancel the meeting on December 4 since masahito and tetsuro are travelling | 09:47 |
| bertys | I cannot confirm now for next week, sorry, will try though | 09:48 |
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| priteau | OK bertys | 09:49 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 09:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:50 | |
| priteau | We have a new contributor reporting bugs and, even better, fixing them! | 09:51 |
| priteau | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/618699/ | 09:51 |
| priteau | Great news | 09:51 |
| priteau | From NTT Data | 09:51 |
| masahito | yes. I noticed this patch today. | 09:51 |
| tetsuro | Good news. | 09:53 |
| priteau | Anything else to mention? | 09:53 |
| masahito | Nothing from my side | 09:54 |
| tetsuro | Nope. | 09:54 |
| priteau | bertys and I discussed potentially having a Blazar meeting on a timezone compatible with America, to help engaging with potential users and contributors from there | 09:57 |
| priteau | I would be in addition to the current meeting and less frequent, maybe every two or even four weeks | 09:58 |
| priteau | I can take care of running it, it would be the middle of the night for Japan ;-) | 09:58 |
| masahito | Nice idea. | 09:59 |
| priteau | I still need to find an available time | 10:00 |
| priteau | We're out of time for today, thanks folks! | 10:00 |
| priteau | Good bye | 10:00 |
| masahito | thanks, | 10:00 |
| masahito | bye | 10:00 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 20 10:00:51 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-11-20-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-11-20-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2018/blazar.2018-11-20-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 20 16:00:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | i miss the pings. =/ i know.... | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | antispam...blah blah | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | i added something to the agenda | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | cool | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | but... only if folks are around | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | it can totally wait | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | we'll give folks a few minutes to show up | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | it's the keystone-as-an-idp continuation | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | i expect attendance to be super light | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | just getting specs spun up | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | yueah | 16:01 |
| kmalloc | i expect we just defer till next week | 16:02 |
| kmalloc | yay holiday week | 16:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:02 |
| gagehugo | turkey week | 16:03 |
| lbragstad | alright - let's get started | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:04 | |
| lbragstad | real quick | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | #info stein-2 is just about 6 weeks away | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | something to keep in mind | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | especially from an implementation perspective | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | also - i know several people missed the summit | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | but i'll have a summary with links to relevant presentations coming soon | 16:05 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad: cool | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | my next week at the latest - i'm really just waiting for presentations to get published | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | s/my/by/ | 16:06 |
| lbragstad | #topic keystone as an identity provider (proxy) | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystone as an identity provider (proxy) (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:06 | |
| lbragstad | kmalloc o/ | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | if it's just us | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | we can defer | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | but really i'll work on auth move spec | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | ok - i'm fine with that | 16:07 |
| gagehugo | ok | 16:07 |
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| kmalloc | and a spec to outline the principal object bit | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | as a quick note | 16:07 |
| lbragstad | i think we need to find way to draw out all the identity provider proxy stuff in documentation somehow | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | auth move is straightforward and backlog | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | yeah. that is what i think i wanted to cover here | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | but it's 3 of us | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | i noticed a few people in the session last week were expecting somethings higher level, and we don't really have anything like that yet | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | and i don't think it's appropriate venue with this few folks | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | I'll at least get a diagram up by next week sometime | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | that shows the base architecture | 16:08 |
| lbragstad | just wanted to put that on the radar in case folks have any clever ideas for mocking this up | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | we can extract from there | 16:08 |
| gagehugo | hmm | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | an ingress/egress and full architecture diagram feels like the right 1st stab | 16:09 |
| lbragstad | #info defer identity provider discussion to next week | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | and extract APIs out from there | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | because API mechanisms will be dictated by the intended architecture | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | (and responses) | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | i will avoid CRUD discussion bits | 16:09 |
| kmalloc | just strictly auth flows and pure identity management | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | what we need to cover | 16:10 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:10 |
| * kmalloc also wants to propose timestamp protocol support for token minting. | 16:10 | |
| lbragstad | that's another thing we need to go over as a larger group | 16:10 |
| kmalloc | yes. | 16:11 |
| gagehugo | ok | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | i'll include UI bits in the architecture, but elide the bits about needing new API structure for it | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | v3 would be a trainwreck to write a pure react/js ui over | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | imo | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | that's fine - just something that lays out the components and their relationships would help | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | yeah | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | i'll do that while on holiday and get as deep an architecture diagram built as possible | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | cool | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:13 | |
| kmalloc | i'll def. include the design that /auth might reside 100% separate from the rest of keystone API in a deployment (locked behind HTTP mechanisms, since catalog points at crud and WWW-Authenticate is auth location) | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | HAPPY WEEK OF TURKEY EATING IF YOU"RE IN THE US | 16:14 |
| * kmalloc kicks capslock | 16:14 | |
| gagehugo | lol | 16:14 |
| * lbragstad is looking forward to a couple days off | 16:14 | |
| * gagehugo same | 16:14 | |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: you never get days off. you have kiddo | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | :P | 16:14 |
| gagehugo | heh | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | i am looking forward to not feeling jetlagged | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | its bad. | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | time off is a figment of imagination | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | i felt like i had the flu yesterday due to jetlag | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | oh | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | since we have 2 cores here | 16:15 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/618911/ (the RBAC Enforcer logging) | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | that is 100% built into the RBACEnforcer | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | its just way above policy. | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | we might want to provide the format jdennis supplied, but the data is already logged debug | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | as of Stein. | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | i commented on the review and bug | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | it's here: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/5ff37f10280639737527226ca4bd97919d3725ea/keystone/common/rbac_enforcer/enforcer.py#L403-L426 | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | i thought it might be useful to build that directly into oslo.policy | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | i agree | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | it should go in oslo.policy if anywhere | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | seems re-usable | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | not in keystone | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | now... warning | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | there is sensitive data passed into the enforcer | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | we can't mask the passwords if it's in oslo.policy, etc | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | so... it reinforces DO NOT RUN IN DEBUG MODE | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | true - but we only log in DEBUG, yeah? | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | yes | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | but MANY people keep reporting "oh this is emitted in debug" | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | we even get it for KSA. | 16:18 |
| jdennis | if we're going to log at least let's get the info right until such time it lands in oslo.policy | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: yeah it's already logged. it just isn't logged in the format you're proposing | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: i implemented that because it's useful for debugging. | 16:18 |
| jdennis | no passwords are in the auth context | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: token data is | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | the id, etc | 16:18 |
| jdennis | kmalloc: nope, target data is not logged | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - i have another patch i need to get into oslo.policy and I'd like to propose a new release soon | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | yes it is. | 16:18 |
| jdennis | no it's not | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/5ff37f10280639737527226ca4bd97919d3725ea/keystone/common/rbac_enforcer/enforcer.py#L424 | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: it is. | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | i know it is, i've used it for debug *a lot* when implementing flask migration | 16:19 |
| jdennis | in what release is this in? | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | as said, in stein forward | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | partially in rocky | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | but 100% in stein | 16:20 |
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| kmalloc | the only concern with oslo.policy doing it is that we can't mask sensitive data e.g. token ids | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | but i'm ok with that as long as it's debug | 16:20 |
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| kmalloc | i think jdennis' format is better if it pushes down into oslo.policy | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | vs. what i've implemented for keystone | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | so, tl;dr I think that patch should be implemented in oslo.policy directly and I'd readily +2 it | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | i'd like to propose a new oslo.policy release when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/614195/ merges anyway | 16:23 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: ++ | 16:23 |
| jdennis | what happens until this is fixed in oslo.policy? Why are we even logging anything? | 16:23 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: you continue to get the logging keystone has. | 16:24 |
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| jdennis | kmalloc: but it's not usable :-) | 16:24 |
| kmalloc | your definition of usable and mine are highly different. | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | please propose changes at the RBACEnforcer layer for stein+ | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | if you want it there | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | in rocky- i'd rather just add a logger to the decorator to include the target dict | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | and could see that as an exception since there is no analogue in master anymore for backporting | 16:26 |
| kmalloc | oslo.policy can include this for stien | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | and it would impact 100% of projects by the nature of it existing | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | rather than "just keystone" | 16:27 |
| * kmalloc is really trying to push this to where we get the biggest benefit | 16:27 | |
| * kmalloc is core on oslo.policy as is lbragstad | 16:27 | |
| kmalloc | so i'm saying this as a "lets fix it where it belongs and get that released ASAP" | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | not trying to defer it. | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | really | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | keystone-core owns oslo.policy | 16:28 |
| jdennis | When looking at oslo.policy I found a number of comments saying oslo.policy can't log properly or there was some problem, why can't oslo.policy log properly? | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | not sure | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | but we should fix that | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | jdennis do you have an example? | 16:29 |
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| jdennis | lbragstad: sorry, I didn't make a note of it, it was either in a commit message or a code comment, can't remember which | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | ok - just curious | 16:30 |
| * kmalloc isn't seeing anything atm in code | 16:30 | |
| kmalloc | it might be a commit message | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | but we do emit logs from oslo.policy | 16:30 |
| jdennis | ok, anyway I get the drift, I'll move the logging to oslo.policy | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | yeah - looks like we init a logger | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | if there is an issue logging, lets get that fixed too ASAP :) | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | jdennis feel free to ping me whenever you get that review up - happy to take a look | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: and want to be sure you don't think i'm deferring. | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | i just want to get it where we make the biggest impact and solve the issue quickly :) | 16:31 |
| jdennis | btw, I've had to do a number of fixes oslopolicy-checker to massage it into something more useful | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | implementing it in each service is going to take for ever. | 16:31 |
| kmalloc | jdennis: cool, i'll look for those fixes too | 16:32 |
| lbragstad | anything else for today? | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | i think thats it | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | besides lbragstad owes us all coffee | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | cause i can assert that fact :P | 16:33 |
| kmalloc | ;) | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | i could use a refill | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | thanks for the time everyone, have a happy thanksgiving! | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 20 16:34:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-11-20-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-11-20-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2018/keystone.2018-11-20-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
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