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| dkrol | #startmeeting trove | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 14:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dkrol. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 14:00 |
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| dkrol | Hello, is there anyone for trove weekly? | 14:01 |
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| pgodek | Hi | 14:03 |
| dkrol | Hi | 14:03 |
| dkrol | Anyone else? | 14:03 |
| pgodek | Bartek and Marcin will join us in minutes | 14:05 |
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| pgodek | no clue about others | 14:05 |
| bzurkowski | Hi | 14:05 |
| dkrol | Hello | 14:05 |
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| mpiwowarczy | hello | 14:05 |
| mpiwowarczy | sorry for late | 14:06 |
| dkrol | Hello | 14:06 |
| dkrol | I suppose we can start | 14:06 |
| dkrol | #topic recent changes and commits | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recent changes and commits (Meeting topic: trove)" | 14:06 | |
| bzurkowski | Let's go | 14:06 |
| dkrol | I wanted to start with recent changes | 14:06 |
| dkrol | Did you have time for reviewing incoming code? | 14:07 |
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| cezary_zukowski | hi | 14:07 |
| dkrol | Hello | 14:07 |
| bzurkowski | Yea, merged several minor patches | 14:08 |
| dkrol | I see there were some changes commited in the last month | 14:08 |
| mpiwowarczy | I have made review of recent changes | 14:08 |
| bzurkowski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/608660/ | 14:08 |
| bzurkowski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/619984/ | 14:08 |
| mpiwowarczy | there are no waiting changes for now I thing | 14:08 |
| dkrol | I did some reviews too but I didn't see any responses after giving some comment | 14:09 |
| bzurkowski | Besiades, finally found time to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604816/ | 14:09 |
| dkrol | Anyway it is good to know that you are making reviews | 14:09 |
| bzurkowski | It is Python3 support related change | 14:09 |
| mpiwowarczy | dkrol: I saw you comments - thanks for review - I will reply once I will found more time :) | 14:09 |
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| dkrol_ | Ok I'm here | 14:11 |
| dkrol_ | Anyway we should remember to review code submitted by normal users also | 14:12 |
| dkrol_ | No only core contributors | 14:12 |
| cezary_zukowski | this change with migration to Python3 has great educational context :) | 14:12 |
| dkrol_ | Please spend some time on reviewing code of other people as well :) | 14:13 |
| bzurkowski | dkrol: Sure thing, I did 5 such reviews yesterday ;) | 14:13 |
| dkrol_ | Otherwise we will not attract other people | 14:14 |
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| dkrol_ | That's great! Let's continue this trend | 14:14 |
| dkrol_ | Also by others :) | 14:14 |
| dkrol_ | I suppose we can move to the next topic | 14:14 |
| dkrol_ | #topic python 3 | 14:15 |
| dkrol_ | How is it going? :) | 14:15 |
| bzurkowski | There is progress | 14:15 |
| bzurkowski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/604816/ has been reviewed | 14:15 |
| dkrol_ | I remember it should be completed before summit | 14:15 |
| bzurkowski | No serious issues found in the review | 14:15 |
| dkrol_ | Great | 14:16 |
| bzurkowski | Should be merged soon, quite smooth | 14:16 |
| dkrol_ | It would be nice to have some success | 14:16 |
| mpiwowarczy | I will try apply review changes until begining on next week | 14:16 |
| mpiwowarczy | but it is going to be merged :) | 14:17 |
| mpiwowarczy | I will also refrest goals for other projects | 14:17 |
| dkrol_ | Ok | 14:17 |
| mpiwowarczy | bot lets finish trove goals | 14:17 |
| dkrol_ | Exactly | 14:18 |
| dkrol_ | I suppose we can move on | 14:18 |
| dkrol_ | #topic trovestack redesign | 14:18 |
| dkrol_ | I've applied changes based on mpiwowarczy review | 14:18 |
| mpiwowarczy | yeah, I saw them | 14:19 |
| dkrol_ | And today after 2 rechecks tests passed | 14:19 |
| dkrol_ | Thanks for great input | 14:19 |
| bzurkowski | I would like to review this one before its merged into the mainline | 14:19 |
| bzurkowski | Maybe I will find time in the end of next week | 14:19 |
| dkrol_ | Next week? | 14:20 |
| bzurkowski | dkrol: Yes | 14:20 |
| bzurkowski | Eventually, this weekend | 14:20 |
| dkrol_ | Ok, I hope we will finish this soon | 14:21 |
| dkrol_ | And we can go to the last point | 14:21 |
| dkrol_ | #topic documentation | 14:21 |
| dkrol_ | Any progress about it? | 14:21 |
| cezary_zukowski | I slightly improved https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-docs and... | 14:22 |
| cezary_zukowski | prepared a clean document https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jQYV0X-qy6s1NwgU-bYJVt6oQBsaNSn5TZZkr1SQsg/edit?usp=sharing | 14:22 |
| cezary_zukowski | "Installing and using Trove at home" | 14:22 |
| cezary_zukowski | Also, I was thinking about disabling Horizon and Swift to save RAM | 14:23 |
| dkrol_ | I wouldn't do it | 14:24 |
| cezary_zukowski | dkrol_: why ? :) | 14:24 |
| cezary_zukowski | (as an option) | 14:24 |
| dkrol_ | Because it provides some functionality | 14:24 |
| dkrol_ | For trove | 14:24 |
| dkrol_ | And how much ram we will safe? | 14:24 |
| cezary_zukowski | not measured exactly, but every amount is valuable considering e.g. 16 GB laptop | 14:25 |
| cezary_zukowski | and I am not sure what else can be disabled or optimized | 14:26 |
| dkrol_ | I'm using trove on a 16 gb laptop | 14:26 |
| dkrol_ | And I'm running tests on it | 14:26 |
| dkrol_ | And I'm using about 12 GB of ram | 14:26 |
| dkrol_ | For vm | 14:26 |
| cezary_zukowski | Yeah, I also set 12 GB, I can measure memory usage on my installation and we can compare :) | 14:27 |
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| dkrol_ | But if we disable swift tests will not pass | 14:27 |
| cezary_zukowski | Ah okay, it's about tests... | 14:27 |
| dkrol_ | And horizon for new users is also valuable | 14:28 |
| cezary_zukowski | Okay, so this is only an option, i.e. to disable some features (components). | 14:28 |
| dkrol_ | I understand but I'm not sure how important it is | 14:29 |
| dkrol_ | I mean we have other priorities | 14:29 |
| cezary_zukowski | some datastores may require more RAM to run faster, I believe, Cassandra for example | 14:29 |
| dkrol_ | And still min requirement is 16 gb of ram | 14:30 |
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| cezary_zukowski | Okay | 14:30 |
| cezary_zukowski | If you have any comment to the doc, let me know | 14:32 |
| dkrol_ | Ok, thanks | 14:33 |
| dkrol_ | Looks nice | 14:33 |
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| dkrol_ | We can move to other open topics | 14:33 |
| dkrol_ | If we have any? :) | 14:33 |
| dkrol_ | Anyone? | 14:35 |
| cezary_zukowski | not me :) | 14:35 |
| mpiwowarczy | sory, we had a interrupt :) | 14:35 |
| mpiwowarczy | nothing from me | 14:35 |
| dkrol_ | Hmmm ok | 14:35 |
| dkrol_ | Ok then I suppose we can end the meeting | 14:36 |
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| dkrol_ | Thanks for coming here | 14:36 |
| dkrol_ | And see you next wee | 14:36 |
| bzurkowski | Thank you, bye | 14:36 |
| cezary_zukowski | Thanks all :) | 14:36 |
| mpiwowarczy | bye | 14:36 |
| dkrol_ | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
| dkrol_ | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| dkrol | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 14:39:10 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-12-05-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-12-05-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2018/trove.2018-12-05-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
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| e0ne | #startmeeting horizon | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 5 15:00:58 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is e0ne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 15:01 |
| e0ne | hi. is anybody around here for horizon meeting? | 15:01 |
| vishalmanchanda | e0ne: Hi | 15:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 15:01 |
| -amotoki- just got back to hotel | 15:02 | |
| vishalmanchanda | amotoki: hi | 15:02 |
| e0ne | here is our agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 15:02 |
| e0ne | #topic Notices | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:03 | |
| e0ne | I'm going to move all items from the agenda into the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-reviews-priority etherpad and keep that updated | 15:04 |
| e0ne | so we'll get our agenda more dynamic | 15:04 |
| e0ne | I'm working on integration tests and removing mox | 15:04 |
| amotoki | does this mean we change the agent to the etherpad? | 15:04 |
| e0ne | amotoki: no | 15:05 |
| e0ne | now, agenda contains our priorities list for the release | 15:05 |
| amotoki | okay | 15:05 |
| amotoki | I was confused with "move all items from the agenda"... | 15:06 |
| e0ne | but it' doesn't work well with low participation in meetings, IMO | 15:06 |
| e0ne | I mean move release priorities list to the etherpad | 15:06 |
| amotoki | okay | 15:06 |
| e0ne | amotoki: does it sounds reasonable? | 15:06 |
| amotoki | yes | 15:06 |
| e0ne | great | 15:06 |
| amotoki | just note: i have two on-demand topics. I would like to discuss them later | 15:07 |
| e0ne | I'm expecting that patches with integration tests job end mox removing will be published by the end of week by me | 15:07 |
| e0ne | that's all updates from my side | 15:08 |
| e0ne | #chair amotoki | 15:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: amotoki e0ne | 15:08 |
| e0ne | amotoki: feel free to bring up your topics | 15:08 |
| amotoki | e0ne: sure | 15:08 |
| amotoki | e0ne: doesn't openstack_auth UT depend on mox? | 15:08 |
| e0ne | amotoki: yes, I almost finished my patch to remove it | 15:09 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 15:09 |
| amotoki | e0ne: great | 15:09 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: hi | 15:09 |
| e0ne | amotoki: what topics do you want to discuss? | 15:10 |
| amotoki | e0ne: the one is ocata EM | 15:11 |
| amotoki | and the other is about some broken panels caused by nova extension retire. | 15:11 |
| amotoki | can we move on? | 15:11 |
| e0ne | sure | 15:11 |
| amotoki | #topic ocata EM | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata EM (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 15:12 | |
| amotoki | as you may know, the extended maintenance (EM) phase was introduced | 15:12 |
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| amotoki | https://releases.openstack.org/ says Ocata is in Extended Maintenance | 15:12 |
| amotoki | each project can decide when they enter into the EM mode. | 15:13 |
| e0ne | amotoki: do you propose to get some patched beckported? | 15:13 |
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| amotoki | e0ne: even if we enter into EM all backports will be accepted | 15:14 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:14 |
| amotoki | the detail explanation is found at https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#maintenance-phases | 15:14 |
| amotoki | see "Extended Maintenance" section | 15:14 |
| amotoki | the point is "No Releases produced, reduced CI commitment" | 15:14 |
| amotoki | so what we need to discuss is the horizon team can care ocata or not. | 15:15 |
| e0ne | I'm OK to get backports to ocata for horizon | 15:15 |
| rdopiera | I'm going to fix things for ocata anyways, because we support it downstream | 15:16 |
| amotoki | e0ne: do you understand what EM means correctly? | 15:16 |
| rdopiera | I might as well propose the patches upstream | 15:16 |
| amotoki | in EM phase, stable/ocata still accepts backports | 15:17 |
| e0ne | as I understand, only security fixes are accepted | 15:17 |
| amotoki | but we don't cut any release | 15:17 |
| amotoki | possibly we can find other folks who are interested in maintaining a specific stable branch | 15:17 |
| amotoki | FYI nova ocata already entered into EM mode and neutron has not yet. | 15:19 |
| e0ne | do we need to tag ocata-em for horizon now? | 15:20 |
| amotoki | e0ne: it depends on our decision | 15:20 |
| amotoki | if horizon-stable-maint continue to maintain stable/ocata, ocata-em tag is unnecessary | 15:20 |
| amotoki | honestly I don't have ocata env now so I tend to hesitate to review stable/ocata backports, while I always tests pike/queens/rocky backports in my local envs. | 15:21 |
| e0ne | we have a lot clouds with ocata at our customers | 15:22 |
| amotoki | we don't need to rush the conclusion but it is a good chance to be aware of "extended maintenance" | 15:22 |
| e0ne | amotoki: good point | 15:22 |
| amotoki | e0ne: that's the reason we introduced "extended maintenace" | 15:22 |
| amotoki | In the EM phase, the stable team from the upstream team no longer need to take care of such branches, but patches are accetped | 15:23 |
| amotoki | the point is members of the community interested in a given project/branch can be stable maintainers. | 15:24 |
| amotoki | I joined almost all PTG/Forum sessions on this topic and understand what it means. | 15:25 |
| amotoki | I am leading the discussion on neutron EM | 15:25 |
| amotoki | but in case of horizon, e0ne and rdopiera are involved in downstream package maintenance | 15:25 |
| amotoki | so I think it is almost up to you two | 15:25 |
| e0ne | as an OpenStack vendor, I'm interesting in ocata support | 15:26 |
| e0ne | I'll take a look if we've got something in downstream and not in upstream | 15:26 |
| amotoki | I think we need to enter into EM phase at some time. otherwise, horizon stable cores will be responsible for more and more stable branches :( I don't think it works. | 15:27 |
| e0ne | amotoki: +1 | 15:28 |
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| e0ne | I'm OK to support it at least until Stein will be released | 15:29 |
| amotoki | I think it looks better to understand what "EM" means more and we can revisit this topic | 15:30 |
| e0ne | +1 | 15:30 |
| amotoki | I sometimes check the number of commits in stable branches from last release | 15:31 |
| amotoki | but I haven't covered ocata recently.... | 15:31 |
| amotoki | can we move on? | 15:32 |
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| e0ne | I don't have anything to add | 15:33 |
| amotoki | #topic some broken panels by nova extension retirement | 15:33 |
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| amotoki | I noticed some admin panels are not shown like Aggregates in my recent devstack | 15:34 |
| e0ne | which panels are broken now? | 15:34 |
| amotoki | nova retired the extension mechanism | 15:34 |
| amotoki | for example Aggregates panel is not shown | 15:34 |
| amotoki | I haven't checked all | 15:34 |
| amotoki | I think we need to check nova microversion now to check features | 15:35 |
| amotoki | my question is whether we need to cover both microversion and nova extensions. | 15:35 |
| cosss_ | Hi, just joined. Traffic is bad :( | 15:35 |
| amotoki | perhaps it is related to a topic that how old releases need to be supported by the latest horizon | 15:36 |
| e0ne | AFAIR, horizon tried to work with n-1 release in the past | 15:36 |
| amotoki | n-1 is supported | 15:36 |
| e0ne | but I don't know if somebody uses new horizon with an old release | 15:36 |
| amotoki | yeah, but we have no clear policy | 15:37 |
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| e0ne | I need to check how it's easy or not to maintain both extensions and microversions for nova | 15:38 |
| amotoki | in my first impression, it is not difficult | 15:38 |
| amotoki | relatively easy | 15:39 |
| e0ne | ideally, it would be good to support both of them in S release and drop nova extensions in T | 15:39 |
| amotoki | my question leads to another question "when we drop old mechanism?" | 15:39 |
| e0ne | T release sound reasonable if we want to work with n-1 release | 15:40 |
| e0ne | it sounds like a critical bug. I can find a time and put it on the top of my list for tomorrow | 15:40 |
| amotoki | I am okay with it | 15:40 |
| e0ne | amotoki: did you file a bug? | 15:41 |
| amotoki | I just noticed this during I joined a conference so I had no time to file it so far. | 15:41 |
| amotoki | e0ne: sure. I will file it | 15:41 |
| e0ne | amotoki: thanks | 15:41 |
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| amotoki | okay, my topics are over. | 15:42 |
| amotoki | does anyone have a topic to be discussed? | 15:43 |
| e0ne | amotoki: thanks for bringing them | 15:43 |
| e0ne | amotoki: nothing from me | 15:43 |
| amotoki | cosss_: hi, do you have any topic? you joined a bit ago | 15:43 |
| vishalmanchanda | none from my side. | 15:44 |
| e0ne | sounds like we can wrap up the meeting | 15:44 |
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| e0ne | thanks everybody who joined us | 15:45 |
| cosss_ | Not really. Just chiming in to read along looking if my effort can be helpful somewhere | 15:45 |
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| e0ne | cosss_: any contribution are welcome:) | 15:45 |
| amotoki | cosss_: thanks. welcome :) | 15:45 |
| e0ne | cosss_: feel free to ping us in #openstack-horizon if any questions | 15:46 |
| cosss_ | I will thanks!. Currently working on the password_expires_at bug. Think prolly will finish it friday. | 15:47 |
| e0ne | cosss_: great. thanks for the help! | 15:47 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 15:49 |
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| cosss_ | see you! | 15:49 |
| amotoki | see you | 15:49 |
| vishalmanchanda | bye all! | 15:49 |
| e0ne | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 5 15:50:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-12-05-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-12-05-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2018/horizon.2018-12-05-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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