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| efried | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 11 14:00:29 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| cdent | oh hai | 14:01 |
| efried | Welcome one and all to the last n-sch meeting before the second full moon of 2019! | 14:02 |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| efried | #topic specs and review | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| cdent | oooo special | 14:03 |
| efried | ikr | 14:03 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-January/002055.html | 14:03 |
| efried | #link blueprint tracking https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-blueprint-status | 14:03 |
| efried | #link libvirt reshaper https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599208/ | 14:03 |
| efried | I saw some excitement in -nova just now about this. bauzas gibi anything worth sharing? | 14:03 |
| gibi | I think | 14:04 |
| bauzas | efried: well, just discussing about reshapes | 14:04 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599208/ | 14:04 |
| cdent | i reckon a key thing here is that we're open for business on the placement releated specs and tetsuro has started on at least one of them | 14:04 |
| efried | (cdent getting there) | 14:04 |
| bauzas | gibi helped me identifying a possible issue with VGPU allocations unrelated to real mdevs | 14:04 |
| efried | gibi to the rescue again. | 14:05 |
| cdent | (yea, I was typing that while you seemed to be waiting for something to happen, and then I realized where you were going, but decided I didn't want to store my buffer so flushed it) | 14:05 |
| cdent | gibi keeps doing that | 14:05 |
| gibi | :) | 14:05 |
| efried | So bauzas we're expecting another respin soon? | 14:05 |
| efried | tldr ^ ? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | efried: yup, working on it | 14:06 |
| efried | cool | 14:06 |
| efried | #link xen reshaper (middle of series) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521041 | 14:06 |
| efried | Assume still stalled, unless someone has an update | 14:06 |
| bauzas | and when I say "working", I really mean 'I stopped to be paid by our customers' | 14:06 |
| efried | customers schmustomers, *I* know what's best for Nova! | 14:07 |
| efried | #link in_tree allocation candidates series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635722/ | 14:07 |
| mriedem | tip: ibm will pay you either way | 14:07 |
| efried | tetsuro has a good start on this --^ | 14:07 |
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| efried | tetsuro: anything we need to know about this? | 14:08 |
| efried | (that isn't apparent from the spec/review?) | 14:08 |
| efried | tetsuro might not actually be here. Moving on. | 14:08 |
| efried | #topic Extraction | 14:08 |
| efried | #link Extraction https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-extract-stein-5 | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extraction (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:08 | |
| efried | As cdent mentioned, key thing here is that we decided to | 14:09 |
| efried | a) open extracted placement for business, viz aforementioned in_tree alloc cands patch from tetsuro | 14:09 |
| efried | b) freeze in-tree placement, but keep it around for Stein | 14:09 |
| efried | c) not write any nova code to use features developed in a), version discovery capabilities notwithstanding. | 14:10 |
| efried | wrt b), we realized we had something of a testing hole (we weren't testing in-tree placement anymore) so mnaser is putting together a job to do that again. | 14:11 |
| * bauzas nods | 14:11 | |
| efried | #link CI job for in-tree placement with ansible https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635852/ | 14:11 |
| efried | (I think) | 14:11 |
| cdent | yes that's it | 14:12 |
| bauzas | with the NUMA/HPC/NFV firehose for Placement queries coming by at the PTG, I like the idea to start thinking about both testing *and* new features | 14:12 |
| efried | ++ | 14:12 |
| efried | cdent, edleafe: anything else about extraction to highlight? | 14:12 |
| edleafe | No, that about covers it | 14:12 |
| cdent | aye | 14:13 |
| efried | aye that covers it, or aye you have something else? | 14:13 |
| cdent | covers it | 14:13 |
| efried | cool, moving on. | 14:13 |
| efried | #topic bugs | 14:13 |
| efried | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:13 |
| efried | Any bugs to highlight? | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:13 | |
| efried | ight | 14:14 |
| efried | #topic opens | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:14 | |
| efried | Anyone? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | PTL election season is just around the corner | 14:14 |
| efried | mm | 14:14 |
| edleafe | It might be time to revisit the governance change | 14:14 |
| edleafe | So that we don't need a special election | 14:15 |
| cdent | #link election details: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629749/ | 14:15 |
| efried | where are we on the checklist? A matter of merging the VGPU reshaper patch and proving upgrades with tripleo and/or osa? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | so there is about 3 weeks to determine the governance change | 14:15 |
| efried | seems like from what I heard from lyarwood, the upgrades deal was going to happen too late for ^ | 14:16 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:16 |
| mriedem | it is | 14:16 |
| mriedem | which is why placement in-tree is staying for stein, | 14:16 |
| mriedem | and the compromise was lifting the extracted placement api freeze in stein | 14:16 |
| edleafe | that isn't the only reason | 14:16 |
| mriedem | i think the governance checklist probably needs amending due to the change in plans for stein given the deployment tooling stuff | 14:17 |
| * cdent agrees | 14:17 | |
| mriedem | at this point i think we're just waiting on the reshaper thing | 14:18 |
| efried | one way to look at it would be that, as long as we have an in-nova placement, placement should be governed under nova | 14:18 |
| efried | but | 14:18 |
| efried | the other way to look at it is that governance is about shaping the direction of placement, and since in-nova placement is frozen, that's n/a | 14:18 |
| efried | so | 14:18 |
| efried | I for one would be in favor of amending as stated. | 14:18 |
| mriedem | deployment tools are targeting base install for stein with tripleo being "there" and OSA working on it | 14:18 |
| bauzas | which is one of the reasons why I shifted gears recently to make sure I'm not blocking you | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I just feel a bit uncomfortable to discuss governance change here and now | 14:19 |
| bauzas | this timeslot isn't convenient for all parties | 14:19 |
| cdent | changing the governance helps to signal that the extracted things is _the_ thing, hopefully encouraging related projects to move along as needed | 14:19 |
| mriedem | for any deployment tools that aren't working on supporting deploying extracted placement for stein, they should probably be kicked in the butt because they are going to be surprised in train when the in-tree nova code is dropped | 14:19 |
| edleafe | The signaling to others is important, IMO | 14:20 |
| efried | So we need to repoen this discussion with melwitt present, proposal being to have a placement PTL election with the rest, contingent upon VGPU reshaper being merged by the time campaigning starts? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | bauzas: cdent did ask melwitt about this last week after the call | 14:20 |
| mriedem | she said she'd think abou tit | 14:20 |
| mriedem | *about it | 14:20 |
| bauzas | ok | 14:20 |
| efried | okay | 14:20 |
| cdent | yeah we want neither nova nor placement to have their progress gated forever on deployment tools | 14:20 |
| efried | so is there an #action from here? | 14:21 |
| cdent | somebody following up with melwitt ? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | looks like train PTL nominations are right after stein feature freeze | 14:21 |
| mriedem | well, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | could just post something to the ML for follow up discussion in the nova meeting this week | 14:22 |
| bauzas | that said, I'm not sure about the fact that a new governance change will make deployment tools more committed | 14:23 |
| edleafe | Let's check in with melwitt first | 14:23 |
| edleafe | If she's a no, then it's kind of moot | 14:23 |
| mriedem | edleafe: by post to the ML i meant post "this is an idea" | 14:23 |
| bauzas | just to be clear, it's - I think - not a signaling problem, more a resources problem :) | 14:23 |
| efried | mriedem: ++, as long as that won't be the first time she hears of it, which it sounds like it won't. | 14:23 |
| mriedem | it's not | 14:23 |
| mriedem | briefly discussed in -placement last week | 14:23 |
| efried | right | 14:23 |
| cdent | bauzas: right, the goal isn't to signal encouragement, it is to avoid overly tight coupling, in the face of limited resources | 14:24 |
| mriedem | bauzas: governance change won't speed up deployment tooling adoption of extracted placement, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | but nova dropping the in-tree code in train will | 14:24 |
| bauzas | oh yeah | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | or should | 14:24 |
| cdent | dangerous word "should"... | 14:24 |
| bauzas | well, if you break, you loose | 14:24 |
| cdent | who has the ml action? edleafe or efried ? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | I can do it | 14:25 |
| cdent | cool | 14:25 |
| bauzas | I just feel most of the deployment team know about the story | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i wouldn't assume that | 14:25 |
| mriedem | e.g. chef and juju | 14:25 |
| mriedem | don't know how active they are | 14:25 |
| cdent | "assume" also dangerous word | 14:25 |
| bauzas | okay okay | 14:26 |
| mriedem | but juju is financed so i'm sure they'll put resources on it | 14:26 |
| efried | Thanks edleafe | 14:26 |
| efried | #action edleafe to post to ML suggesting placement PTL election with the rest in the next cycle | 14:26 |
| efried | Anything else before we close? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I just feel that if chef or juju isn't that active for knowing placement being splitted, then I guess they won't probably bother about a new PTL or even a code break until they run it :) | 14:26 |
| bauzas | but meh | 14:27 |
| cdent | there's a reason there is a cycle-trailing release mode | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | It's a signal. It can be ignored. :) | 14:27 |
| efried | As mriedem says, given the current strategy (in-nova freeze in stein, remove in train), governance changes should be pretty irrelevant for deployment | 14:28 |
| cdent | it's gonna be nova-net all over again! | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i was already thinking that :) | 14:29 |
| mriedem | and god i hope not | 14:29 |
| mriedem | hell we haven't even dumped cells v1 yet | 14:30 |
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| efried | Ready to wrap up? | 14:31 |
| efried | Thanks all | 14:31 |
| efried | o/ | 14:31 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 11 14:31:33 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-11-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-11-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-11-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| cdent | thanks efried | 14:32 |
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