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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 14 15:00:19 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping ganso | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping vkmc | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
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| tbarron | ping xyang | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping toabctl | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | ping bswartz | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping erlon | 15:01 |
| tbarron | tping tpsilva | 15:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping tpsilva | 15:01 |
| tbarron | ping amito | 15:01 |
| tbarron | that's our ping list, minus a couple not online | 15:01 |
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| * tbarron waits 2 minutes | 15:01 | |
| amito | Hey | 15:02 |
| tbarron | OK, let's get started. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Hello all! | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | I don't have any. Anyone else? | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | #topic Vision Reflection | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vision Reflection (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:04 |
| tbarron | hi bswartz | 15:04 |
| tbarron | If you recall Zane Bitter met with us last November regarding the | 15:05 |
| tbarron | (then draft) OpenStack Vision Statement up before the Technical Committee | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Since then it merged as a governance doc and | 15:06 |
| tbarron | each project was asked to read it over and produce a | 15:06 |
| tbarron | "Reflection" document noting gaps relative to the vision. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | These gaps would then be the basis for work plans going forwards. | 15:06 |
| tbarron | Here's a reference to the relevant email thread: | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/002678.html | 15:07 |
| tbarron | So I took a first stab at this: | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636770/ | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | Please look it over and use the review to note disagreements, stuff missing, and so on. | 15:08 |
| tbarron | Let's use the review for substantive remarks, but any questions or remarks now about what we're trying to do with this document? | 15:09 |
| tbarron | ok, hearing none ... | 15:10 |
| tbarron | #topic Schedule reminders | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Schedule reminders (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:10 | |
| tbarron | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 15:10 |
| tbarron | feature proposal freeze is 21 February | 15:11 |
| tbarron | feature freeze and client library freeze is 7 March | 15:11 |
| tbarron | just reminders. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | questions? remarks? | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | we have a new driver proposed :s | 15:11 |
| tbarron | #topic Inspur Instorage driver | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Inspur Instorage driver (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:12 | |
| tbarron | new driver submission deadline as 10 January for Stein | 15:12 |
| tbarron | so I put a -2 on the review but added | 15:12 |
| tbarron | -- I hope -- | 15:12 |
| vkmc | shall we submit a spec for openstackclient before march 7th? | 15:13 |
| vkmc | it's a community goal for train | 15:13 |
| tbarron | a nice note indicating that they can work the review cycle | 15:13 |
| tbarron | now and get CI working now and we'll merge them asap in Train. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | vkmc: do we need a spec? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ....^? | 15:13 |
| vkmc | tbarron, well, yes | 15:13 |
| tbarron | vkmc: for trying to recruit interns? | 15:14 |
| vkmc | tbarron, no, I'm thinking more on leaving a record of how the new cli would look like | 15:14 |
| bswartz | It's a bit late for new drivers isn't it? | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | we kinda agreed we don't need a spec at the PTG, but i'm not opposed to it.. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's why I put a -2 on the review | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: deadline was 10 January | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Is anyone asking for an exception for that driver? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Or everyone is okay with targeting next release? | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: no exception requested so far, just a review posted | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I didn't see CI accompanying it | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: if they get CI going and ask then we can talk about it | 15:16 |
| tbarron | vkmc: gouthamr: who is going to do the spec? | 15:17 |
| vkmc | tbarron, I can work on that | 15:17 |
| tbarron | vkmc: gouthamr: it would be a Train spec I think but getting it started now would be great | 15:17 |
| vkmc | sounds good | 15:17 |
| tbarron | vkmc: cool. gouthamr has done some initial work there. I think you know how to find him. | 15:18 |
| vkmc | I know gouthamr already have some stuff advanced, so we can work together | 15:18 |
| vkmc | yes | 15:18 |
| * gouthamr moves to different undisclosed location | 15:18 | |
| * tbarron enjoys seeing his kids work on projects together | 15:18 | |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:18 |
| tbarron | Anything else on schedule or new drivers or the openstack client? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | nope.. | 15:19 |
| tbarron | I'll note that the osc gap and UI api microversion backlog are mentioned in the draft Vision Reflection doc | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topic tracking our work | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tracking our work (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
| tbarron | the AZ work is progressing well so the main thing | 15:20 |
| vkmc | :D | 15:20 |
| tbarron | I want to call people's attention to given our | 15:20 |
| tbarron | deadlines is ganso's work on manage-unmanage-with-share-servers | 15:21 |
| tbarron | he's posted a number of patches recently | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/manage-unmanage-with-share-servers+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 15:21 |
| ganso | tbarron: thanks Tom | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | Please put your review eyeballs on and look at them. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | Give them an initial review even if it's clear there's more work to do. | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | ganso: anything you want to say on this topic? | 15:23 |
| ganso | tbarron: the only patch remaining is the manila-tempest-plugin one, the other patches I don't have anything else to work on, unless there are review comments or bugs found on the tempest patch | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i don't see a driver implementation | 15:23 |
| ganso | gouthamr: there are 2 | 15:23 |
| ganso | gouthamr: it is in that wiki page | 15:23 |
| ganso | #LINK https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/SteinCycle#Manage.2FUnmanage_Share_Servers | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | ah thanks! | 15:24 |
| tbarron | sorry, I should have pasted that link instead of just that topic | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: you can set a common topic across all of them.. makes them easier to find | 15:24 |
| ganso | gouthamr: will do | 15:25 |
| tbarron | ganso: thanks | 15:25 |
| tbarron | ok .... | 15:25 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:26 | |
| ganso | gouthamr: just did =) | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | thanks ganso | 15:26 |
| tbarron | jgrosso isn't here today but ... | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr has been working with him I hear | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: do you have any bugs for us to consider today? | 15:26 |
| tbarron | if not, that's cool, I just sprung this on you ... | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes, dunno if you guys can see this google doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oaXEgo_BEkY2KleISN3M58waqw9U5W7xTR_O1jQmQ74/edit#gid=758082340 | 15:27 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I don't think so, that's why I didn't link it in the agenda | 15:27 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: was going to talk with jgrosso about that .... | 15:28 |
| tbarron | we'll get it moved to a public place | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | we should use https://ethercalc.openstack.org/uc8b4567fpf4 perhaps | 15:28 |
| tbarron | yup | 15:28 |
| tbarron | but those who can't see it, it's awesome :) | 15:28 |
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| gouthamr | Let's start with triaging this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1815532 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1815532 in Manila "manila does not return the request ID when using shrink and extend APIs" [High,New] | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | was found while reviewing a scenario test that nirg (Nir Galboa) was writing | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/531615/ | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I can't remember where request IDs appear in the API | 15:31 |
| bswartz | Do you have an example? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: in my brief experimentation, it was whenever there was a response object of any kind being returned | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: these APIs are some of the few that only return a code on success | 15:32 |
| bswartz | How do those get persisted? | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | they don't, the middleware just sets the response header from the request header | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | i.e, manila makes one up afaiu | 15:33 |
| tbarron | just so I understand, why is this High? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | it's admin only, right? what will the admin not be able to do, track the request across services? | 15:36 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: true, coupled with another bug affecting shrink share, it felt like a significant bug | 15:36 |
| * tbarron observes that many bugs seem to be set to High w/o explanation of why | 15:36 | |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1810315 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1810315 in Manila "Error status on File Share Creation" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:37 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I'm not so much arguing that it shouldn't be, just trying to make sure we understand the impact | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | ouch, wrong link | 15:37 |
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| ganso | looks like a generic driver bug ^ | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1802424 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1802424 in Manila "No user message when share shrinking fails at the driver" [Undecided,New] | 15:38 |
| bswartz | Oh THAT request ID | 15:38 |
| bswartz | The ephemeral one that's used for logging | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:39 |
| bswartz | Must be an API bug | 15:40 |
| tbarron | so no mystery about RCA, just need to fix, right? | 15:40 |
| tbarron | "root cause analysis" | 15:40 |
| * tbarron turns off his jargon button | 15:40 | |
| gouthamr | yes, i suppose we need someone who has some cycles to investigate and fix - don't expect it to be a large effort | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | but i think we ought to backport this, even if it has APIImpact, because this is useful for support purposes | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure that's a nigh priority | 15:42 |
| bswartz | High even | 15:42 |
| bswartz | The impact would mostly be on logging and troubleshooting | 15:42 |
| tbarron | inclined to agree with bswartz but think it's probably pretty low hanging fruit. Worth fixing though. | 15:43 |
| bswartz | Easy to fix doesn't mean high priority | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | sure, I'll bump down the priority | 15:43 |
| tbarron | and probably one can just copy the way it's done for the other APIs | 15:43 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:43 |
| tbarron | ideally we'd target to fix by M3 and lower the prio | 15:44 |
| tbarron | anyone want this one? | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | nope, moving on | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1808127 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1808127 in Manila "intermittent tempest duplicate access rule failure" [Undecided,New] | 15:45 |
| tbarron | this one is very annoying | 15:45 |
| tbarron | I see it with the ceph back ends but so far as I can tell it shouldn't have anything to do with which back end is being used. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | or am I confused about that? | 15:46 |
| tbarron | the api is supposed to detect duplicates, right? | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | the error seems to be with the timeout | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://github.com/openstack/manila-tempest-plugin/blob/b96188/manila_tempest_tests/tests/api/test_rules_negative.py#L138 | 15:48 |
| tbarron | it sets more than one duplicate in the same test, could there be a teardown cleanup issue? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Duplicates should be detected and rejected | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | that's the test the bug references ^ | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Right? | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, that's the point of the test | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | "Share's access_rules_status failed to transition to active within the required time 500" and this issue is intermittent? | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: to transition to active the backend has to say it did the job, right? | 15:50 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: did you happen to see this with IPv4 rules, or has it been only with IPv6 - asking because we do have the ignore-ipv6-rule behavior if the driver doesn't support IPv6 | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yeah, not always | 15:50 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: dunno if it was only ipv6 or not | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: we'll probably have to start debugging down that path, if the manager doesn't change the state back to "active" that may be our bug... | 15:51 |
| tbarron | cephfs with nfs currently doesn't support ipv6 -- really only b/c we haven't tested it, I think it will work | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: after ignoring the ipv6 rules* | 15:51 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I can take this one | 15:51 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: will likely need to consult with you though | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: cool, clicking the buttons... | 15:52 |
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| gouthamr | next one: | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1807126 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1807126 in Manila "Cannot create shares using generic driver" [High,Confirmed] | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | so the bug has notes, but is still valid/confirmed | 15:54 |
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| gouthamr | have we discussed this one before? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | well I don't think the underlying issues for ssh have been fixed, just mitigated | 15:55 |
| tbarron | I suspect some kind of neutron-ovs issue | 15:55 |
| tbarron | we've set the paramiko timeouts now though so that the initial ssh connection | 15:55 |
| tbarron | doesn't fail | 15:55 |
| tbarron | it just takes too long | 15:55 |
| tbarron | and then that connection gets re-used | 15:56 |
| tbarron | so carlos is probably ok | 15:56 |
| tbarron | our gate jobs seem to work in this aspect now and they were broken | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ah, okay.. i recall you mentioning that ML2/OVN doesn't have this behavior | 15:56 |
| bswartz | What's the problem with the re-use? | 15:57 |
| tbarron | there's still issues with the tempest ssh client where we don't have control over all the paramiko knobs | 15:57 |
| bswartz | Should be not be using ssh connection pools? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | Should we* | 15:57 |
| tbarron | bswartz: the re-use is good, we don't have to wait all over again, and that part is working | 15:57 |
| tbarron | it's something about the initial ssh header exchange. I suspect an mtu issue but I wasn't able to "fix" the problem with my mtu experiments. | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Okay | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Oh MTU issues are devilish | 15:58 |
| tbarron | and as goutham mentioned I was experimenting with OVN for other reasons and | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Yes | 15:58 |
| tbarron | the issue seems not to appear there | 15:58 |
| bswartz | What did you experiment with? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | Can we hack the tap device that we create to have a lower MTU? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | That might make a huge difference | 15:59 |
| tbarron | OVN, the next gen thing that will replace OVS | 15:59 |
| tbarron | the ovs-vswitch commands are still there but there are additional capabilities | 15:59 |
| tbarron | I was using developer version of OVN and it might be that dev version of OVS would also work | 15:59 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I tried setting the mtu down on tap and on the VM's interface and it wasn't sufficient | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | time check | 16:00 |
| tbarron | like down to 512 or lower | 16:00 |
| bswartz | Down how low? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | Oh wow | 16:00 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I would have guessed 1300 was low enough | 16:01 |
| tbarron | we can continue in #openstack-manila | 16:01 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone! | 16:01 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-02-14-15.00.html | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-02-14-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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