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| efried | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 18 14:00:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | jay sends his apologis, he's got appt | 14:00 |
| * gibi is on another meeting in parallel | 14:00 | |
| efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaScheduler#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
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| efried | US holiday today. I, for one, will be off after this. | 14:00 |
| mriedem | presidents day is an intel corporate holiday? | 14:01 |
| efried | yeah, it was a surprise to me too. | 14:01 |
| cdent | I was just gonna say, people get that off? | 14:01 |
| mriedem | wow | 14:01 |
| efried | I was informed on Friday. | 14:01 |
| mriedem | not i | 14:01 |
| efried | Apparently my badge has all the holidays on it. | 14:01 |
| efried | But I don't wear my badge to "the office", so I didn't notice. | 14:01 |
| efried | Let's get started. | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:02 |
| efried | #topic last meeting | 14:02 |
| efried | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-11-14.00.html | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| efried | Any old business? | 14:02 |
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| efried | #topic specs and review | 14:03 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-January/002055.html | 14:03 |
| efried | #link blueprint tracking https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-blueprint-status | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| alex_xu | mriedem: not intel china holiday | 14:03 |
| efried | #link libvirt reshaper (new bottom of series) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636591/ | 14:03 |
| efried | An issue was discovered about relating RPs to real devices, so the new bottom of the series is trying to solve that. | 14:04 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: :) | 14:04 |
| efried | bauzas on the hook for a new PS there to add tests, but it looks correct to me. | 14:04 |
| bauzas | oops | 14:04 |
| * bauzas waves late | 14:05 | |
| efried | #link xen reshaper (middle of series) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521041 | 14:05 |
| efried | still ditw afaik | 14:05 |
| efried | #link in_tree allocation candidates series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635722/ | 14:05 |
| efried | needs review (incl from me) | 14:05 |
| efried | #link Placement OVO-ectomy series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636631/ | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i think i'm going to abandon the xenapi series | 14:05 |
| mriedem | so we can stop talking about it | 14:05 |
| efried | ight | 14:06 |
| cdent | mriedem++ | 14:06 |
| efried | I'll mention next time that it was abandoned. | 14:06 |
| efried | ...And on top of the OVO-ectomy series: | 14:06 |
| efried | #link DRY/clean up placement objects starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637325/ | 14:06 |
| cdent | efried: in case you haven't seen it yet, jay has some ideas on how to further simplify your simplifications to my simplifications in the ovo-ectomy | 14:06 |
| efried | cdent: thanks, I did. Basically get rid of *List and just use []. | 14:07 |
| cdent | I suggested he put them on top of yours | 14:07 |
| efried | I'll have to have a think about that. If the methods currently in ObjectList are actually needed, I guess I would rather they be object methods than module-level. | 14:08 |
| efried | unless they're @static. But the top patch makes it @classmethod. | 14:08 |
| efried | anyway, will look more later. Nothing super urgent about this in any case. | 14:09 |
| cdent | naw | 14:09 |
| efried | Anyone have anything to discuss on any of the above, or any other specs/reviews? | 14:09 |
| cdent | naw | 14:10 |
| cdent | (ed also sends his apologies, getting a new knee) | 14:10 |
| mriedem | president's day discount at the knee store | 14:10 |
| efried | (looking at it, I'm actually not sure what value _set_objects adds over __init__) | 14:10 |
| efried | anyway... | 14:11 |
| efried | #topic Extraction | 14:11 |
| efried | #link Extraction https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-extract-stein-5 | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extraction (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:11 | |
| cdent | (probably none, it was simply a matter of iteration) | 14:11 |
| efried | #link Placement governance separation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636416/ | 14:12 |
| efried | Approvable on Wednesday. | 14:12 |
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| efried | #link The bizarre and confusing election patch that allows us to have PTL elections with the rest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636510/ | 14:13 |
| efried | ^ is merged. | 14:13 |
| efried | anything else about extraction? cdent? | 14:13 |
| cdent | not that I'm aware of, thanks. | 14:13 |
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| efried | #topic bugs | 14:14 |
| efried | #link Placement bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:14 |
| efried | anything of note here? | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:14 | |
| mriedem | i've got a bug mention | 14:14 |
| mriedem | not placement related | 14:14 |
| efried | placement schmacement, this is a n-sch meeting | 14:15 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509206/ we finally have a fix for renaming AZs with instances in them | 14:15 |
| mriedem | that's approved, but need another +2 on the api-ref change below it | 14:15 |
| mriedem | we agreed on doing this at a few ptgs should it shouldn't be a surprise, avolkov was the one to get it done | 14:15 |
| mriedem | *so it shouldn't | 14:15 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:16 |
| cdent | time | 14:16 |
| cdent | moves | 14:16 |
| efried | I'll mention | 14:16 |
| efried | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1816086 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816086 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Resource Tracker performance with Ironic driver" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Fried (efried) | 14:16 |
| cdent | slowly | 14:16 |
| mriedem | efried: we're waiting for tssurya to test that out right? | 14:17 |
| efried | CERN started upgrading ironic things to rocky and found out that update_from_provider_tree is spending a *lot* of time locally spinning through the ProviderTree object. | 14:17 |
| efried | Yeah | 14:17 |
| efried | I proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637225/ to see if it helps, but I suspect it will not be all of the solution. | 14:17 |
| mriedem | related to that same upgrade, they hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1816034 which i have a patch for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637217/ which will need to be tweaked on stable | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816034 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Ironic flavor migration and default resource classes" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:17 |
| cdent | O notation! This is computers. I know this. | 14:17 |
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| efried | Not just any O. Big-O. | 14:18 |
| efried | okay, any other bugs? | 14:19 |
| efried | #topic opens | 14:19 |
| efried | Post governance change plans for this meeting. Keep as is? Have two separate meetings? Does placement need a regular meeting? Office hours? Something else? | 14:19 |
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| cdent | Ed has mentioned that ^ to me and I said "let's decide later" and he said "we should at least allow people some time to think about it" so here it is. | 14:20 |
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| efried | Yeah, it's not crucial that we "fix" this ^ immediately on some event, like governance patch merging or a PTL being elected. | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | i don't think we need a separate n-sch meeting on its own, since we have a nova meeting | 14:20 |
| efried | ++ | 14:20 |
| bauzas | so this meeting should be renamed ? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | yeah this should likely be the placement meeting | 14:21 |
| cdent | For my own purposes, once I start the pupdate back up, the meeting has less value, but is still nice to sort of empathetically sync up. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | since that's mostly what's been discussed here for a couple of years | 14:21 |
| bauzas | heh, this slot : nova-sch > gantt > nova-sch > placement \o/ | 14:21 |
| gibi | then nova-scheduler stuff goes back to the nova-meeting? | 14:21 |
| efried | yeah | 14:22 |
| bauzas | I'm fine with that | 14:22 |
| * cdent is really burnt on irc | 14:22 | |
| cdent | as before, we don't have to decide immediately, but sounds like there's an emerging consensus to rename and carry on | 14:22 |
| bauzas | we needed meetings beforehand because we had large discussions about the scheduler | 14:22 |
| efried | Well, I agree that I'm not sure if we really need a meeting. | 14:22 |
| bauzas | now that we have placement, I'm not sure we need a timeslot | 14:22 |
| efried | yeah, what bauzas said. As long as things are fairly stable and uncontroversial, there's not really a good reason to get us all together to simply list patches being worked. | 14:23 |
| efried | I say we let the new PTL send an email to the ML to get feedback and go from there. | 14:23 |
| bauzas | less meetings is always a good idea FWIW | 14:23 |
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| * bauzas hopes he isn't controversial :p | 14:24 | |
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| efried | Any other input on the meeting logistics? | 14:25 |
| cdent | sounds like we're done with that topic | 14:25 |
| efried | (We're really breaking the fourth wall here. It's so meta.) | 14:25 |
| bauzas | call it done | 14:25 |
| efried | Any other topics for open discussion? | 14:25 |
| gibi | I have one | 14:25 |
| gibi | do we want nova manage heal_allocations to handle the missing neutron port allocations or shall I add a separate command for that? | 14:25 |
| efried | would it be a neutron manage command? | 14:26 |
| efried | The allocations belong to the instance. | 14:26 |
| efried | Makes sense to me that it should be done in nova-manage. | 14:26 |
| efried | and in the same place as we would heal any allocations for the instance. | 14:26 |
| gibi | efried: yeah it belongs to nova-manage | 14:26 |
| efried | but that sounds like a mriedem question. | 14:27 |
| bauzas | I have a related question | 14:27 |
| bauzas | so, we now have a reshape API | 14:27 |
| bauzas | for moving allocations | 14:27 |
| mriedem | gibi: i thought we already said it should be done in heal_allocations | 14:27 |
| bauzas | all good | 14:27 |
| gibi | mriedem: I had vague memories about the location, but I'm OK to put it there | 14:27 |
| gibi | mriedem: but then I will carry on | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I just wonder when we should ask operators to trigger heal_allocs vs. us doing a reshape | 14:28 |
| bauzas | of course, reshapes are for upgrades | 14:29 |
| gibi | reshape moves inventories | 14:29 |
| gibi | heal_allocation creates missing allocations | 14:29 |
| gibi | this is the distinction in my head | 14:29 |
| bauzas | here I see two distinct patterns | 14:29 |
| bauzas | one is automatic | 14:29 |
| bauzas | the other one requires operator trigger | 14:29 |
| mriedem | reshape is on the compute needing info from the virt driver | 14:30 |
| mriedem | heal_allocations does not | 14:30 |
| mriedem | or should not | 14:30 |
| mriedem | heal_allocations is basically "do the thing the scheduler should have done if the scheduler would have created these allocations" | 14:30 |
| gibi | bauzas: heal_allocation for neutron port might not be possible if there is not enough inventory while reshaping vgpu tree should always work | 14:30 |
| mriedem | it was written for caching scheduler users originally | 14:30 |
| bauzas | yeah, I totally got all of what you both say | 14:31 |
| bauzas | I'm just trying to make sure we don't use both reshape and heal_allocs in some wrong way | 14:31 |
| efried | does the user understand the distinction? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | but, if somehow, we say that reshape should be only for updating our view by the virt driver, I'm ok | 14:32 |
| efried | s/user/operator/ bah | 14:32 |
| bauzas | efried: that's my concern, I think most of us know the distinction | 14:32 |
| mriedem | reshape moves *existing* things | 14:32 |
| mriedem | heal_allocations fills gaps | 14:32 |
| gibi | ^++ | 14:32 |
| bauzas | OK, I think we are all in agreement | 14:33 |
| bauzas | I don't want to nit this | 14:33 |
| mriedem | there are other scripts floating out there that ops are using as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1793569 | 14:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1793569 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Add placement audit commands" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:33 |
| cdent | (something or the ptg: should there be an /audit _in the api_ ?) | 14:34 |
| cdent | s/or/for/ | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | sounds like a healthcheck goal, but that's a bit different i guess | 14:34 |
| cdent | similar | 14:34 |
| cdent | it's more for support people who want to "at a glance" | 14:34 |
| mriedem | GET /does_it_look_like_someone_fed_up | 14:34 |
| cdent | people keep writing db scripts for the same thing | 14:35 |
| mriedem | i tend to think it depends on the client-side context to figure out what is wrong | 14:35 |
| mriedem | placement probably doesn't have that context | 14:35 |
| efried | #link nova train etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-train | 14:35 |
| efried | (are we going to make a separate placement one?) | 14:35 |
| cdent | prolly? | 14:36 |
| cdent | what do people want? | 14:36 |
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| cdent | the ptg is going to painful in a variety of ways | 14:37 |
| cdent | but having some focus to the etherpads will help | 14:37 |
| cdent | (painful mostly because we already did 3 days of other stuff) | 14:37 |
| efried | well, we've had a separate placement etherpad for the last couple of ptgs anyway. | 14:38 |
| bauzas | I feel the Saturday afternoon won't be productive anyway | 14:38 |
| efried | I guess the question is whether we want to have a separate placement "room" | 14:38 |
| efried | for a day or a half day or something. | 14:38 |
| cdent | In case anyone wants to join me, I think saturday as a hack day instead of talk day would be nice | 14:38 |
| bauzas | I don't disagree | 14:39 |
| cdent | pizza, beer, code | 14:39 |
| cdent | juggling, etc | 14:39 |
| gibi | separate room means I have to float between rooms | 14:39 |
| bauzas | well | 14:39 |
| efried | Seems like placement should be primarily "cross-project", with initially the majority of time spent with nova. | 14:39 |
| mriedem | what we'd do is organize a cross-project time slot | 14:40 |
| bauzas | every PTG, we are exhausted by all placement things we discuss | 14:40 |
| mriedem | like we do with nova/cinder, nova/neutron, nova/ironic | 14:40 |
| cdent | yeah, I think we can probalby limit the total time of "just placement" quite a lot, and mostly be with other folk | 14:40 |
| mriedem | placement things are discussed 9-noon friday or something | 14:40 |
| gibi | works for me | 14:40 |
| efried | We also need e.g. placement/blazar cross-project... | 14:40 |
| cdent | I'm hoping (optimism!) that without placement out, it will finally allow nova to get on with other stuff | 14:41 |
| bauzas | if all the placement thingies go to a separate timeslot, and nova gets a 2-hour cross-project timeslot, then it'll be actually better than today | 14:41 |
| bauzas | cdent: yeah me too | 14:41 |
| cdent | s/without/with/ | 14:41 |
| efried | Anyone know offhand when PTL elections finish up, relative to the PTG? | 14:41 |
| bauzas | efried: https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 14:42 |
| bauzas | hem | 14:42 |
| efried | bauzas: yeah, does that actually say? | 14:42 |
| cdent | it's not been updated for next yet | 14:42 |
| bauzas | my bad, no agenda for PTL :) | 14:42 |
| cdent | one sec | 14:42 |
| * bauzas checks the gerrit repo for election | 14:43 | |
| efried | the gerrit patch still talks about the TC. | 14:43 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629749/ | 14:43 |
| cdent | end around march 19 | 14:43 |
| efried | o, I guess that needs a Placement.placeholder. | 14:43 |
| cdent | a bureucrat somewhere presumably thinks that has to wait on the gov thing | 14:44 |
| cdent | (reasonably so I guess) | 14:44 |
| efried | I have posted the question. | 14:44 |
| efried | Anyway, this would be another useful thing for the PTL to ask the ML, assuming there's time, which if the election finishes in mid-March, there probably will be. | 14:45 |
| efried | Okay, are we ready to wrap up? | 14:46 |
| cdent | yes please | 14:46 |
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| efried | Thanks all. | 14:47 |
| efried | o/ | 14:47 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:47 | |
| cdent | to use the bully pulbit: somebody run for TC. it's looking a bit embarrasing | 14:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 18 14:47:11 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-18-14.00.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-18-14.00.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-18-14.00.log.html | 14:47 |
| cdent | pulbit. I like that one. | 14:47 |
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| cdent | thanks efried | 14:47 |
| efried | cdent: It's like a lectrim | 14:47 |
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