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| lujinluo | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 14:00:58 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lujinluo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 14:01 |
| lujinluo | I know people are busy with their own work. Thus just a few updates of the team for today | 14:01 |
| lujinluo | #topic OVO | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVO (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 14:01 | |
| lujinluo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 14:02 |
| lujinluo | We did not have much progress from last meeting. | 14:02 |
| lujinluo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544206/ port binding | 14:02 |
| lujinluo | i am working on the python 3 failure - a deprecation warning | 14:02 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 14:03 |
| lujinluo | o/ !! | 14:03 |
| lujinluo | it has been a while njohnston how is everything | 14:03 |
| lujinluo | hope everything is going on well with you! | 14:05 |
| lujinluo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 14:05 |
| lujinluo | we did not have much progress since our last meeting | 14:05 |
| lujinluo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544206/ port binding | 14:05 |
| lujinluo | i am now fixing a deprecation warning, which is causing the UT failure in python 3 for ^ this patch | 14:06 |
| lujinluo | hopefully i can make zuul happy within the week | 14:06 |
| njohnston | Everything is well with me! I unfortunately have a business meeting that conflicts with this every week, but I still think about it every week. | 14:06 |
| njohnston | I think my other work is closing out so I hope I can get back to my changes and get them in good order | 14:07 |
| lujinluo | Sounds great! I see. then maybe we can change the meeting time if you think that would work out | 14:07 |
| lujinluo | we have fewer contributors from the east now, it should be easier for us to find another time slot | 14:08 |
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| lujinluo | And I think that it for what we have for today's meeting. All other patches still need more work and time | 14:10 |
| lujinluo | *that is it | 14:11 |
| njohnston | agreed | 14:11 |
| njohnston | thank you so much for your dedication :-) | 14:11 |
| lujinluo | then i will let you focus on your other business meeting, and i will get back to hacking! haha | 14:11 |
| lujinluo | njohnston: thank you too for staying with Neutron upgrades :) | 14:11 |
| lujinluo | have a good rest of the day | 14:12 |
| njohnston | :-) | 14:12 |
| njohnston | you too | 14:12 |
| lujinluo | #endmeeting | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 14:12:25 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2019/neutron_upgrades.2019-03-14-14.00.html | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2019/neutron_upgrades.2019-03-14-14.00.txt | 14:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2019/neutron_upgrades.2019-03-14-14.00.log.html | 14:12 |
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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 14 15:00:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| amito | hey o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | #info Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi amito! | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| lseki | hi | 15:01 |
| jgrosso | hi | 15:01 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| tbarron | courtesy-ping: zhongjun xyang toabctl bswartz erlon tpsilva vkmc | 15:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:02 |
| carthaca | Hi | 15:02 |
| tbarron | carthaca is still with us for a bit I see ... | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:03 |
| carlos_silva | hi! | 15:03 |
| tbarron | carlos_silva: lseki: greetings | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | As probably most of you are aware | 15:03 |
| tbarron | we are now in Feature Freeze | 15:04 |
| tbarron | and Soft String Freeze | 15:04 |
| tbarron | and Requirements Freeze | 15:04 |
| tbarron | So we're only merging bug fixes | 15:04 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:04 |
| tbarron | Reviewers please be alert for changes in user-facing strings | 15:04 |
| tbarron | We can do them but we need to ask for approval on openstack-discuss | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: only manila-ui is translated, isn't it? | 15:05 |
| tbarron | This is to give the translation team time to get their work done before the release | 15:05 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: that may be true | 15:05 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I guess that's right but isn't that wrong for our project? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | Although it might make sense to translate the client too | 15:06 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: do you know why? | 15:06 |
| vkmc | only user facing strings | 15:06 |
| tbarron | right but | 15:06 |
| vkmc | ui, error messages that the users see as well IIRC | 15:06 |
| tbarron | vkmc: we have user facing strings in the server | 15:06 |
| vkmc | yes | 15:06 |
| xyang | hi | 15:06 |
| bswartz | IIRC they used to translate log and exception messages but gave up on that because it was too much work | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: lack of translation resources, and we don't translate logs since a while... the API error messages could be translated, but i haven't seen any in the last few releases | 15:07 |
| tbarron | bswartz: well we still put translation markers for API errors, etc. | 15:07 |
| vkmc | it has been a while that I don't chat with people in the i18n team | 15:07 |
| vkmc | it used to be like that back then | 15:07 |
| tbarron | I will seek clarification | 15:07 |
| vkmc | it makes sense though | 15:07 |
| vkmc | tbarron, let me do that | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Anyways, let's notice and talk about it. | 15:07 |
| tbarron | vkmc: awesome | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #action vkmc will clarify the scope of translation and of string freeze | 15:08 |
| tbarron | We go to hard string freeze 21 March. | 15:08 |
| tbarron | So within our scope -- whatever that turns out to be, at least the UI -- no changes in user-facing messages after that point. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | Release week starts April first | 15:09 |
| tbarron | no kidding | 15:09 |
| tbarron | After that only release-blocking critical bugs will be merged. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | And then we release 8 April. | 15:10 |
| ganso | tbarron: isn't RC1 next week? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | ganso: thanks | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | Yes, the first release candidate (didn't mean to leave that out) is 21 March. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | So we aim to have all bugs fixed by then but have leeway to cut more release candidates if | 15:11 |
| tbarron | we need to untili release week | 15:11 |
| tbarron | that is, we could within manila decide to do it | 15:11 |
| tbarron | but we don't want to | 15:11 |
| tbarron | after 1 April it would require wider agreement with true release blockers | 15:12 |
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| tbarron | very unlikely cause we're not nova :) | 15:12 |
| tbarron | Any questions/comments about schedule? | 15:12 |
| tbarron | Anyone else have announcments? | 15:13 |
| ganso | tbarron: I do | 15:13 |
| tbarron | ganso: please go ahead | 15:13 |
| ganso | Last friday March 8th was my last day working for NetApp | 15:13 |
| * tbarron is glad to see ganso is still working on Manila though :) | 15:14 | |
| lseki | we miss you ganso | 15:14 |
| * tbarron tries .... | 15:14 | |
| ganso | the NetApp proposed features and bugfixes will be handled by the other NetApp team members: carlos_silva, dviroel_ and lseki | 15:14 |
| tbarron | carlos_silva: lseki dviroel_ you have big shoes to fill | 15:15 |
| ganso | Core work is not among the top priorities of my new employer, so core work will be limited to my free time for the moment | 15:15 |
| lseki | tbarron, we have | 15:15 |
| carlos_silva | tbarron: surely! | 15:15 |
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| ganso | corrections: "Manila core work", and "is currently not among the top priorities" | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | ganso: canonical? friendship over! | 15:16 |
| lseki | lol | 15:16 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:16 |
| tbarron | ganso: I am hoping that you and tpsilva can persuade canonical of manila's strategic value. | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | ganso: just kiddling :) Congratulations on the transition, and all the best! | 15:16 |
| ganso | gouthamr: thanks! =) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Congrats ganso on new job | 15:17 |
| tbarron | ganso: yes, congratulations! | 15:17 |
| bswartz | NetApp will miss you | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz, tbarron: thanks! =D | 15:17 |
| carthaca | ganso: all the best from me as well | 15:17 |
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| ganso | carthaca: thank you =) | 15:17 |
| amito | ganso: congrats | 15:17 |
| ganso | amito: thanks =) | 15:18 |
| xyang | congrats ganso | 15:18 |
| ganso | xyang: thanks! =) | 15:18 |
| xyang | who is going to Denver | 15:18 |
| tbarron | xyang: that's the next topic | 15:19 |
| xyang | ok | 15:19 |
| tbarron | Any more announcements? | 15:19 |
| ganso | tbarron: not from me =) thanks | 15:19 |
| tbarron | ganso: that's quite enough from you for one day :) | 15:19 |
| tbarron | #topic PTG | 15:19 |
| ganso | tbarron: xD | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:19 | |
| tbarron | xyang: you are up | 15:19 |
| tbarron | She asked: who is going to Denver? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | a) For Summit? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | b) for PTG? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | Our PTG planning etherpad is here: | 15:21 |
| tbarron | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-denver-train-ptg-planning | 15:21 |
| xyang | I'm going to Denver, but I just realized the registration fee is so expensive. First time that I don't have a free pass | 15:21 |
| xyang | $999 for summit and $499 for PTG | 15:21 |
| tbarron | And there is a place to indicate if you plan to attend, either physically or remotely | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | xyang: :( that's steep for a contributor... i.e., we should be able to request an ATC for you? | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | s/we/tbarron can i think | 15:22 |
| xyang | I think I have passed the deadline to be the extra ATC. I didn't submit any patch recently so I didn't get any discount from them | 15:22 |
| xyang | I sent foundation a question about it but have not heard back yet | 15:23 |
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| vkmc | xyang, I have a pass for you | 15:23 |
| xyang | you do? | 15:23 |
| xyang | you have extra free passes? | 15:23 |
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| vkmc | I only have one :) | 15:24 |
| amito | are there *free* passes? not just discounted? | 15:24 |
| vkmc | not sure if free... but certainly a discount | 15:24 |
| xyang | vkmc, are you not going? | 15:24 |
| vkmc | xyang, I'm attending ptg only | 15:24 |
| amito | I got an email saying the price for past attendees is 20% from the original price. It was at least until the end of February (early bird) | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | .. | 15:29 |
| amito | *crickets* | 15:29 |
| * bswartz gets trout ready | 15:29 | |
| bswartz | tbarron must have lost connection or gone AFK suddenly | 15:30 |
| * gouthamr makes coffee, looks at tbarron | 15:30 | |
| * amito unpacks trout shield | 15:30 | |
| * ganso casts trout protection spell | 15:30 | |
| * vkmc eats popcorn | 15:30 | |
| xyang | I was wondering where it everyone | 15:30 |
| vkmc | maybe tbarron is having connection issues | 15:31 |
| bswartz | What else is on the agenda? | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | must be a network issue on tbarron's end.. let's move on | 15:31 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: are you able to continue to run the meeting? | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-denver-train-ptg-planning | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: nope, not chair, so can't set topic | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | #topic PTG | 15:32 |
| bswartz | Yeah but we can just continue on without bot powers | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | fail :) | 15:32 |
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| gouthamr | yep, please look at the PTG Planning etherpad, and add topics, we'll prune, rearrange/organize closer to the event | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | I"ve been typing away | 15:33 |
| tbarron | wondering why no one wanted to talk to me | 15:33 |
| tbarron | Anything else on PTG? | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | also, please indicate your attendance on there. we'll try to have (vkmc do the) online streaming for the PTG discussions as usual | 15:34 |
| tbarron | #chair gouthamr | 15:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gouthamr tbarron | 15:34 |
| bswartz | tbarron: wb | 15:34 |
| tbarron | #chair bswartz | 15:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bswartz gouthamr tbarron | 15:34 |
| bswartz | Did we netsplit? | 15:34 |
| * gouthamr gives up throne | 15:34 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr: keep going, it's all good | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: :P nothing else really, i think we covered PTG | 15:34 |
| tbarron | #topic bugs | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:35 | |
| jgrosso | woo hoo | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | first bug :) | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1811336 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1811336 in Manila "Manila snapshot create method doesn't support "force" attribute" [Undecided,New] | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | I was asked to revisit this with a wider audience ! | 15:36 |
| tbarron | yeah, I wanted people with more history than I have in manila so they could say | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | what "force" would add for this one | 15:36 |
| * bswartz waits for very slow web browser to open link... | 15:37 | |
| bswartz | I need more RAM in this VM | 15:37 |
| tbarron | in cinder I can imagine that it would mean take a snapshot even if the volume is attached or some such | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blame/f38b8d4efd1f68f4ea29747f7377e0936f61d89c/manila/share/api.py#L493 | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | we had that behavior, many releases ago... | 15:37 |
| bswartz | What does force mean? | 15:37 |
| tbarron | but in manila we have no knowledge of whether a share is actively being used | 15:38 |
| bswartz | Correct | 15:38 |
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| tbarron | so why would we "force"? we have reset-state to available, right? | 15:38 |
| tbarron | user vs admin control? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | So we never should have had a "force" flag, and it should be removed immediately, as long as that wouldn't cause back-compat issues | 15:39 |
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| tbarron | the bug reporter seems to just notice that the flag is there, not to give a use case for it | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | actually, sorry, we still honor the force flag: https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/api.py#L1084 | 15:40 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: so the bug is invald? (and the behavior isn't terribly useful ....?) | 15:41 |
| tbarron | invalid | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes, i wonder if they want to send the flag down to the backend driver? | 15:41 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: their complaint is that we don't "pass it on" | 15:42 |
| tbarron | maybe this one should go to "incomplete" while we ask "pass to whom?" | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ack, will ask on the bug | 15:42 |
| jgrosso | Ok will update bug | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: thank you! | 15:43 |
| jgrosso | welcome | 15:43 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1816430 | 15:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816430 in Manila "intermittent generic back end extend/shrink share failures" [Undecided,New] | 15:43 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ok, note though they are saing share_ap;i doesn't pass it | 15:43 |
| tbarron | so they may think manager should do something with force? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack | 15:43 |
| tbarron | we are seeing this one quite frequently lately | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: you're in favor of removing it? | 15:44 |
| carthaca | I understand it as: the share_api has it, but the api does not pass it | 15:44 |
| bswartz | gouthamr yes | 15:44 |
| tbarron | carthaca: but it doesn't need to pass it if it does the create even though the state wasn't available | 15:45 |
| tbarron | which is the original intent of "force" given the code archaeology gouthamr showed us | 15:45 |
| bswartz | Is there are cinder reattachment that occurs on shrink/extend in the generic driver? | 15:45 |
| tbarron | carthaca: the state validation was earlier ... | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I'm wondering if we have a timing problem and we're not waiting for the right thing | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i can think of one case where it's helpful, but maybe this is a small topic for the PTG | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i can research some more.. | 15:46 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: use the etherpad, luke | 15:46 |
| tbarron | I know you will | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: :) done | 15:46 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: that seems like a good question (cinder reattachment) | 15:47 |
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| * tbarron imagines a world in which Canonical pays people to work on the generic driver and make it great | 15:48 | |
| bswartz | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/drivers/generic.py#L652 | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | s/people/ganso | 15:48 |
| tbarron | u'fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/vdd\n | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I see the reattach right there | 15:48 |
| tbarron | nodePublishVolume isn't working | 15:49 |
| tbarron | woops, wrong context | 15:49 |
| ganso | tbarron: :P | 15:49 |
| ganso | #makeTheGenericDriverGreatAgain | 15:50 |
| tbarron | switching from goland window to pycharm | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Oh no the brazilians are stealing our memes | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: lol | 15:50 |
| tbarron | they elected the meme-in-chief there | 15:50 |
| lseki | rofl | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | ok so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1816430 a PTG topic? | 15:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816430 in Manila "intermittent generic back end extend/shrink share failures" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:51 |
| tbarron | ok, everybody get back on topic, starting with you tbarron | 15:51 |
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| tbarron | jgrosso: we should have a list of important, recalcitrant bugs and that one can be on it | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | ok great will add a new list | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I don't see a need for PTG topic, someone with cinder/nova/generic driver experience just needs to dig in | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | ok | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | next | 15:52 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah the topic would be - how do we get these attention, etc. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | The generic driver is unloved since it's author moved on | 15:52 |
| tbarron | not solving them there | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1819167 | 15:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1819167 in Manila "next share_links contains not supported marker field " [Undecided,New] | 15:52 |
| bswartz | Seems like a straightforward API bug, but I'm not sure what the rules are for pagination | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ouch | 15:54 |
| tbarron | will this one have churn given recent work with endpoints? | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | we don't use markers in our API afaia, we allow "offset" | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: it's possible.. pagination needs a relook across the board, but i can take a look at this particular API for starters | 15:55 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: thanks | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i have been sharing with you/vkmc off-list, but our links are wrong, and it isn't just because of the changes we made to accommodate uwsgi/proxies | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: please assign this to me | 15:56 |
| vkmc | yeah, stuff started to pop up after we started tinkering urls | 15:56 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yeah, thanks for surfacing this discussion | 15:56 |
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| jgrosso | ok | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | will do | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | that is all I have for bugs | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | thanks all! | 15:57 |
| tbarron | #topic open-discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:57 | |
| tbarron | so I think our reference open source drivers should be more like zfs | 15:58 |
| tbarron | with a clear separation between driver and back end | 15:58 |
| tbarron | so the back end can run stable code | 15:58 |
| tbarron | and the driver will be tested in gate on master | 15:58 |
| tbarron | generic is the perfect example of violating this | 15:59 |
| tbarron | so cinder or nova or neutron bugs in master break us | 15:59 |
| tbarron | nuf said, I said it | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how ZFS works different in regard to those issue | 15:59 |
| tbarron | zfs back end is packaged, stable, right? | 15:59 |
| tbarron | or could be at least | 16:00 |
| bswartz | Might need to discuss this one later | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I have another meeting to run to | 16:00 |
| tbarron | we're trying to move cephs that wasy | 16:00 |
| tbarron | yup | 16:00 |
| bswartz | But it's an interesting topic | 16:00 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone!! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | see you on #openstack-manila | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 14 16:00:40 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-03-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-03-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-03-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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