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| cdent | #startmeeting placement | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 25 14:00:01 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'placement' | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | If you're here for the 1st placement meeting called a placement meeting say hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | I was told there would be punch and pie | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| cdent | that comes at the end of the meeting, if you're well behaved | 14:00 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 14:01 |
| cdent | efried, jaypipes : you here? | 14:01 |
| efried | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| cdent | #topic last meeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "last meeting (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:01 | |
| cdent | #link last minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-03-18-14.00.html | 14:01 |
| bauzas | goodbye nova-scheduler | 14:01 |
| cdent | action items were: | 14:01 |
| cdent | cdent nova-to-placement upgrade doc | 14:02 |
| cdent | mriedem to document compute driver capability traits per https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538498/ | 14:02 |
| cdent | cdent make a ptg etherpad with refactoring goals and constraints on it | 14:02 |
| cdent | mine were done. mriedem did you do? | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i'm having a hard time parsing the question | 14:02 |
| mriedem | oh yes | 14:02 |
| cdent | your action | 14:02 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644293/ | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | cdent: yes | 14:03 |
| cdent | #link docs for compute capabilities https://review.openstack.org/#/c/644293/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | yay, all dos done | 14:03 |
| cdent | #topic specs and review | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs and review (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:03 | |
| cdent | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004149.html | 14:03 |
| cdent | re specs, we've started the pieces to do specs in tree | 14:04 |
| cdent | #link in tree specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/645195/ | 14:04 |
| cdent | would be good if multiple people could review that, since it is a process change | 14:04 |
| efried | cdent: Do we have a fast-approval process for placement specs that were approved in stein? | 14:04 |
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| efried | I'm thinking of the ones tetsuro had | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: nice work on that compute caps doc. well written. | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: and thank you. | 14:04 |
| cdent | efried: we can, hadn't really thought of it yet. | 14:05 |
| efried | swhy I brought it up :) | 14:05 |
| cdent | I was sort of hoping that if/when things get proposed for specs that ought to be fast, we'll just be fast and not require an explicit statement of such | 14:05 |
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| cdent | but yes, tetsuro's already in flight stuff makes sense to get in asap | 14:06 |
| mriedem | that's generally how i handle nova spec re-proposals, | 14:06 |
| cdent | Is anyone already working on _new_ placement specs? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but they do sometimes hit a snag, like the sev re-proposal for train | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: does the cpu resource tracking one count? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | more nova.. | 14:07 |
| cdent | jaypipes: that one is forever young | 14:07 |
| cdent | I intend to start writing up actual contributing docs some time this week: how to make a bug, how to start a feature, when to do a spec, etc. In there I'll include notes on re-proposals. Agan those will be something where it would make sense to have lots of review. | 14:08 |
| efried | cdent: Working on in my head, nothing written down yet. | 14:08 |
| cdent | ✔ | 14:09 |
| cdent | tetsuro: are you hoping to un-conflict your negative member of stuff soon? | 14:10 |
| tetsuro | I'm thinking doing that in Train cycle | 14:10 |
| cdent | we're open | 14:10 |
| cdent | well, nearly | 14:10 |
| tetsuro | Ah the brunch was cut, okay | 14:10 |
| cdent | you can certainly starting working on, but we might want to wait to the end of the week before merging | 14:10 |
| efried | there's still a -1 on there | 14:11 |
| efried | but yeah, may as well spruce it up | 14:11 |
| cdent | speaking of stable/stein there is at least one, maybe two things that will be in rc2 | 14:11 |
| gibi | I have the any-traits in a_c spec in my list but I don't know when I will get back to it | 14:11 |
| cdent | but otherwise it's pretty ... stable | 14:11 |
| gibi | as well as the request group mapping in a_c | 14:11 |
| cdent | gibi: do you need/want to free it up for someone else, or? | 14:12 |
| gibi | cdent: sure both is free to take if somebody wants to start it | 14:12 |
| cdent | k | 14:12 |
| cdent | A review which is stuck: | 14:13 |
| cdent | #link gabbi-tempest https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/gabbi-tempest-job | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I'll revisit this morning. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i'll ask again, | 14:14 |
| cdent | we've had general agreement that this is a good idea (since it has found bugs that other things have not), however, it needs more review. efried reviewed it but was reluctant to +2 because of lack of familiarity with zuul and tempest related stuff, if I remember right? | 14:14 |
| efried | yes | 14:14 |
| mriedem | what does this cover that we don't have with the tempest-full job | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:14 |
| cdent | mysql-based used of the placmenet api, apparently | 14:15 |
| cdent | s/used/use/ | 14:15 |
| cdent | that was the bug it found | 14:15 |
| efried | IMO it was more about setting the precedent of being able to write jobs in gabbi | 14:15 |
| mriedem | devstack is running with mysql by default | 14:15 |
| cdent | nova apparently doesn't talk to placement in the same way that those gabbits do | 14:15 |
| cdent | but yes, what efried said | 14:16 |
| cdent | tempest is huge, painful, noisy, inscrutable and slow | 14:16 |
| mriedem | umm | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i guess i'll just leave comments on the review | 14:17 |
| cdent | please do. It's not a done deal, but several people "like it", so... | 14:18 |
| cdent | anything else on reviews, specs, etc? | 14:18 |
| cdent | #topic bugs | 14:18 |
| cdent | #link Placement bugs (launchpad) https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=placement | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:19 | |
| cdent | #link Placement storyboard https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/placement | 14:19 |
| cdent | I'm not aware of anything new or pressing. Anyone got anything? | 14:19 |
| cdent | #topic PTG/Forum | 14:19 |
| cdent | #link etherpad for ptg https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-ptg-train | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Forum (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:20 | |
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| cdent | As I said in a recent email, we do have a room at the PTG but limited time and not everyone can be there. Given that, I'm wondering if people are okay with the idea of starting most of the talking, in email, before the PTG? | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | cdent: that would definitely be my preference. | 14:21 |
| efried | ++ | 14:21 |
| edleafe | sounds good | 14:22 |
| cdent | I think many people will have to be with nova, blazar, etc, so there won't be much time left over for placement stuff. I'd rather we spend the time in person resolving the hard problems we couldn't figure out over email, doing a bit of retrospective and long term thinking and flavoring, and simply enjoying each others company | 14:23 |
| edleafe | that last part might be a stretch :) | 14:23 |
| cdent | feh! | 14:23 |
| cdent | I'll orchestrate that email | 14:23 |
| bauzas | threads are sometimes rat holing, but if the consensus is done by the PTG or by one last email, good then | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | and I honestly said "sometimes" because I want to be a gentleman | 14:24 |
| cdent | related to that: I'll be travelling the week before the PTG. Some email, so I'll be able to summarize before the ptg. | 14:24 |
| mriedem | so...pistols at dawn? | 14:24 |
| cdent | ratholing in email is at least better than ratholing in person, which would happen anyway, more, without the email | 14:25 |
| mriedem | and is not digestable afterward | 14:25 |
| mriedem | when we say, "why didn't we go this way 6 months ago when talking about this?" | 14:25 |
| mriedem | "oh idk it was at the ptg but nobody took notes" | 14:25 |
| bauzas | that's a good point, we sometimes discuss without notes | 14:26 |
| bauzas | but I think we rathole more with emails than F2F | 14:26 |
| bauzas | but meh | 14:26 |
| cdent | ymmv | 14:26 |
| mriedem | are we rat holing about rat holing? | 14:26 |
| efried | impressive | 14:26 |
| cdent | in this particular case we simply won't have the time to rat hole or not, so it is moot: we have to talk beforehand | 14:26 |
| cdent | we are so good at it | 14:27 |
| bauzas | heh | 14:27 |
| bauzas | anywa | 14:27 |
| bauzas | anyway, just my thoughts | 14:27 |
| cdent | another absence: i'll be at openinfra uk next monday, if somebody else wants to run the meeting, that's cool, if not, we can just skip it (but see later in the agenda0 | 14:27 |
| cdent | anything else on ptg forum? | 14:27 |
| cdent | #topic opens | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: placement)" | 14:28 | |
| cdent | How wed are people to having a meeting? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | as in this weekly meeting? | 14:28 |
| cdent | yes | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'd be fine with saying it's in place if needed but cancel ahead of time if there is nothing interesting on the agenda? | 14:29 |
| gibi | it feels quick so it works for me | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | I'm much better with it at (my) 9am than 8am :) | 14:29 |
| cdent | mriedem: that's one of the options that was discussed. others were: kill it dead, keep it as is, do office hours in #openstack-placement instead (potentially more often) | 14:29 |
| mriedem | are office hours in the same meeting format with action items and such? | 14:30 |
| cdent | no | 14:30 |
| mriedem | i'm thinking about apac people who aren't able to hang out in irc all the time | 14:31 |
| cdent | it's just a designated time to discuss | 14:31 |
| mriedem | they might also just go to the ML, but idk | 14:31 |
| cdent | "we know people will be there" | 14:31 |
| mriedem | if this meeting is just an echo chamber then sure kill it | 14:31 |
| cdent | well, to me it feels like an echo chamber with a rathole here and there | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | pupdate emails will be even more important then | 14:32 |
| cdent | but I don't want to impose | 14:32 |
| * cdent nods | 14:32 | |
| efried | Since it's got a new purse and shoes, let's keep it for a few weeks and reevaluate. | 14:32 |
| mriedem | some of us aren't following along in the placement channel all day either | 14:32 |
| bauzas | I just feel it's easier for a new contributor to sit down, lurk at the meeting and shout during opens than starting to write a ML thread | 14:33 |
| cdent | how about this: we keep it scheduled until the ptg and then we'll decide there. I will miss two between now and then | 14:33 |
| mriedem | deciding not to decide now is fine too, things are a bit hectic right now | 14:33 |
| bauzas | for office hours, meh I'm not opiniated | 14:33 |
| mriedem | cdent: yeah that seems good | 14:33 |
| cdent | bauzas: that's entirely different from my experience, which is why I asked for input, so qed, I guess | 14:33 |
| bauzas | cdent: yeah I don't disagree | 14:34 |
| bauzas | maybe it's different for anyone | 14:34 |
| cdent | any other opens? including newcomers who have been lurking and need to shout now? | 14:34 |
| bauzas | looks like it's sold | 14:35 |
| cdent | In terms of the aformentioned "a bit hectic now" I agree, but most of that is outside of placement. I reckon everyone needs to get back to that and we'll let placement percolate for a while. Thanks for coming everyone. | 14:36 |
| cdent | 1 | 14:36 |
| cdent | ...2 | 14:36 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 25 14:36:39 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-03-25-14.00.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-03-25-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/placement/2019/placement.2019-03-25-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
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