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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 08:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 08:59:58 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| priteau | No one available today? | 09:03 |
| priteau | Bertrand said he was on travel | 09:03 |
| priteau | Hi tetsuro | 09:05 |
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| masahito | o/ | 09:06 |
| priteau | Hi masahito | 09:07 |
| priteau | Bertrand is on travel this week | 09:07 |
| priteau | tetsuro is online but hasn't replied yet | 09:07 |
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| priteau | Let's wait a few minutes | 09:07 |
| masahito | ok | 09:08 |
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| priteau | He doesn't seem to be around, let's start | 09:12 |
| priteau | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Blazar#Agenda_for_2_Apr_2019 | 09:13 |
| priteau | #topic Denver Summit Project Update | 09:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver Summit Project Update (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:13 | |
| priteau | There are still some little changes to do on the slides | 09:13 |
| priteau | I was looking at updating the contributor count for Stein | 09:14 |
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| priteau | masahito: Do you remember how you counted 10 contributors for Rocky? Do you include contributor who push patches across all repos? | 09:14 |
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| masahito | maybe. or counted persons who reviewed patches. | 09:15 |
| priteau | e.g. a patch like this: https://github.com/openstack/blazar/commit/ef1729ba97c0a5b460342cbbdd4fe775188de737 | 09:16 |
| priteau | Would you count this as a contributor? | 09:16 |
| masahito | Depends on the patch type. | 09:16 |
| masahito | I included the patch because it changed blazar or blazar related things, gate. | 09:17 |
| masahito | But I excluded some type of patches across all repo, like fixing typo. | 09:18 |
| priteau | OK, thanks. | 09:18 |
| priteau | stackalytics shows we had reviews from 33 people. | 09:19 |
| priteau | In Rocky the same number was 23 | 09:20 |
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| priteau | Good improvement :-) | 09:20 |
| masahito | surprised :-) | 09:21 |
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| priteau | Some of these reviews may be on mechanically-generated patches | 09:21 |
| priteau | Anything else to discuss about the project update? | 09:22 |
| priteau | If not let's move to the Stein release | 09:23 |
| priteau | #topic Stein release | 09:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein release (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:23 | |
| priteau | blazar-tempest-plugin and blazar-dashboard have been tagged | 09:23 |
| priteau | blazar-dashboard includes your affinity patch, thanks masahito! | 09:23 |
| masahito | you're welcome. | 09:24 |
| priteau | We still have the chance to release an rc2 this week if needed | 09:26 |
| priteau | I'll focus my reviews on bug fix patches | 09:26 |
| priteau | I think we're in good shape for the release. | 09:27 |
| masahito | yes. | 09:27 |
| masahito | Do you plan to release new client including floating ip support? | 09:28 |
| masahito | If so, I mark it as priority in my tasks. | 09:29 |
| priteau | I think it's too late to release a client to be included in Stein (client freeze was several weeks ago) | 09:30 |
| priteau | The releases repo doesn't have a folder for train deliverables yet | 09:30 |
| masahito | got it. | 09:31 |
| priteau | We'll have to wait until after Stein is released, but please review now, I think my patch is ready. | 09:31 |
| priteau | By the way, floating IP reservation was deployed in production on Chameleon and announced yesterday. Great job masahito :-) | 09:32 |
| masahito | Great news! | 09:32 |
| masahito | Does it work well? | 09:32 |
| priteau | It does. | 09:33 |
| masahito | Good to hear ;-) | 09:34 |
| priteau | There were some issues because Neutron is still running Ocata, and 1) it doesn't support tagging 2) there is a bug with passing a specific address when creating a floating IP | 09:34 |
| priteau | But they're going to upgrade to Rocky very soon. | 09:34 |
| masahito | okay | 09:36 |
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| priteau | #topic Train virtual PTG | 09:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Train virtual PTG (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:36 | |
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| priteau | Since we're not going to all be at the PTG in Denver, we should do a virtual PTG to discuss priorities for the Train release cycle | 09:36 |
| priteau | We should start discussing dates, but with tetsuro and bertys not here, I will send email. | 09:37 |
| priteau | Would a meeting on April 16 work for you? | 09:38 |
| masahito | It works for me. | 09:39 |
| priteau | #action Send email about virtual PTG | 09:39 |
| masahito | Same time with the weekly meeting? | 09:39 |
| priteau | Yes, we can hold it in place of the weekly meeting. | 09:39 |
| priteau | We can even start earlier if preferred. | 09:40 |
| priteau | I will propose options. We can also hold it on another day if it works better. | 09:41 |
| priteau | #topic Blazar whiteboard | 09:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blazar whiteboard (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:41 | |
| priteau | I've seen other OpenStack projects use an Etherpad as a whiteboard to keep track of current status, I think it would work great for us too. | 09:42 |
| priteau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/blazar-whiteboard | 09:42 |
| priteau | It's in progress, I will add more categories | 09:42 |
| masahito | Thanks. | 09:43 |
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| priteau | We can talk more about it next week when everyone's online | 09:43 |
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| priteau | I think the TODOs will be really useful, for example to keep track of review comments asking for follow-up patches | 09:44 |
| priteau | Let's discuss more how we can use next week | 09:45 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:45 | |
| priteau | Anything else to discuss? | 09:45 |
| priteau | Nothing special from me | 09:46 |
| masahito | me neither. | 09:46 |
| priteau | OK, let's end for today. Thanks for joining masahito! | 09:47 |
| priteau | Have a good week | 09:47 |
| masahito | thank you. you too. | 09:47 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 09:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 09:47:36 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-04-02-08.59.html | 09:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-04-02-08.59.txt | 09:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-04-02-08.59.log.html | 09:47 |
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| cmurphy | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 16:00:08 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 16:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | good morning | 16:00 |
| kmalloc | o/ | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | hola | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda | 16:00 |
| vishakha | o/ | 16:01 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:01 |
| cmurphy | let's get started | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | #topic action item review | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action item review (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:02 | |
| cmurphy | ACTION: cmurphy create poll for team dinner (cmurphy, 16:31:25) | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | i didn't do that yet, will do this week | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | #action cmurphy create poll for team dinner | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | ACTION: cmurphy organize PTG brainstorm into rough schedule (cmurphy, 16:31:47) | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | I did do that: | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-train-ptg PTG agenda | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | please look it over, feel free to comment or edit | 16:04 |
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| cmurphy | i thought we could frontload the cycle retrospective so that we're starting with that early and then do the cycle planning the next day after we've had some discussions | 16:05 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 16:05 |
| cmurphy | also all of this might get moved around since we may be trying to schedule meetings with other teams | 16:05 |
| cmurphy | if there are topics that you just thought of that didn't make it into the brainstorming etherpad we can still work that in too | 16:06 |
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| cmurphy | any thoughts/questions/concerns? | 16:07 |
| vishakha | seems like a very informative PTG schedule | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | :) | 16:07 |
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| cmurphy | okay, moving on | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | #topic RC2 | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC2 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:09 | |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-stein-rc2-tracking rc2 tracking | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | we're super close, i think these last two can probably get in today and we can propose the rc2 release | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | looks like just waiting for zuul mostly | 16:11 |
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| cmurphy | gagehugo: did you have a concern with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/keystone/tests/unit/test_policy.py ? | 16:12 |
| gagehugo | a quick question yeah | 16:12 |
| lbragstad | hmmm | 16:13 |
| gagehugo | wait | 16:13 |
| gagehugo | nvm | 16:13 |
| gagehugo | I am good | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | haha okay | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo wait - what was your concern? | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/keystone/tests/unit/test_policy.py@250 getting popped off the expected list but it also still being in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json | 16:14 |
| gagehugo | yeah, I was looking at it wrong | 16:14 |
| lbragstad | how so? | 16:15 |
| gagehugo | I thought it was duplicated there | 16:15 |
| gagehugo | lol | 16:15 |
| gagehugo | in removed_policies | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | removed_policies means that it has been removed from policy.v3cloudsample.json | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | so - i'm wondering why that test didn't fail locally | 16:16 |
| lbragstad | because that specific policy at line 250 in test_policy hasn't been removed from policy.v3cloudsample.json (per cmurphy's comment) | 16:16 |
| gagehugo | 203 was the one that you kept in right? | 16:17 |
| gagehugo | diff from 2-3 ps ago | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | no - i think you might be onto something | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json@73 shows that policy is still in the file | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | (as it should be) | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/keystone/tests/unit/test_policy.py@250 pops the policy off the expected list of policies | 16:20 |
| gagehugo | yeah, the differences there is what I was expecting, but removed has duplicates from the policy sample file | 16:20 |
| lbragstad | but the diff assertion didn't fail https://review.openstack.org/#/c/622589/8/keystone/tests/unit/test_policy.py@369 | 16:20 |
| gagehugo | that confused me for a bit | 16:20 |
| gagehugo | also I was looking at a previous ps before you put back in the get_policy so updating that helped me as well | 16:20 |
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| cmurphy | it does look like 'identity:create_policy_association_for_endpoint' etc shouldn't be in that list | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | right... | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | i wonder why that test didn't fail.. | 16:22 |
| cmurphy | should we un-w+1 that so we can figure it out? | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | i think so | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | i'm on the struggle bus today | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | i'll pick it up after the meeting | 16:23 |
| cmurphy | okay, anything else to discuss re rc2? | 16:23 |
| cmurphy | thanks everyone for working so hard to get everything reviewed on time | 16:23 |
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| cmurphy | okay, next up | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | #topic meeting time | 16:25 |
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| cmurphy | #link https://doodle.com/poll/zxv6d2mxngmhb3vc poll results | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | I was surprised at the results, i thought we would end up with something more central to APAC/Americas | 16:26 |
| ayoung | I have to say that this time has worked well for me for thus far. But I am east coast. | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | but actually the top result is for the same time but on thursday | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | the second best is the current time on tuesday or an hour prior on tuesday | 16:27 |
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| ayoung | When Jamie and Herney were on, there was nothing we could have done to make it easier for both of them. | 16:27 |
| ayoung | And remember Daylight savings time reaks havok | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | knikolla: current time on tuesdays is a total no-go for you? | 16:27 |
| cmurphy | yeah dst may have skewed the results | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | i hope a number of states finalize the "stop the dst madness" legislation by next year | 16:28 |
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| cmurphy | parts of europe may be doing that soon | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | yeah, it would be so good if it happened and just disappeared | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | perma-savings-time is fine... perma-standard-time is fine. pick one. stick with it | 16:29 |
| kmalloc | though I prefer savings time year round personally | 16:29 |
| ayoung | I'm sure your preference has been noted. | 16:30 |
| cmurphy | lol | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | nah, i'm just lucky, my state opted for my preference.. i didn't even have to tell them :P | 16:31 |
| ayoung | Thusday would probably be just as good for me as this time. | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | if we're not going to change the meeting time to be more inclusive of timezones then i'd prefer to avoid the hassle and not to change it at all | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | i'll check in with knikolla though, seems like he has a conflict with this time | 16:32 |
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| cmurphy | will check if that's a permanent or short-term conflict | 16:34 |
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| cmurphy | for now let's say next meeting is same time same day? | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | wfm | 16:35 |
| vishakha | lgtm | 16:35 |
| ayoung | So...open discussion>? | 16:36 |
| cmurphy | yep | 16:36 |
| cmurphy | #topic open discussion | 16:37 |
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| ayoung | I'd like to bring up multisite stuff. | 16:37 |
| ayoung | I've had discussions with a couple customers, and there seems to be a real pattern of deploying lots of little openstacks | 16:37 |
| ayoung | like, that seems to be the norm, and we don't really have a good way to make any sort of deloyment like that work at the keystone level. | 16:38 |
| ayoung | morgan kristi and I presented on some of it in Berlin | 16:38 |
| ayoung | so, I'll commit to getting two changs in that, I think help move in the right direction: | 16:38 |
| knikolla | o/ oops, didn't look at the time, sorry. | 16:38 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605235/ Allow an explicit_domain_id parameter when creating a domain | 16:39 |
| knikolla | cmurphy: current time on tuesday works for me | 16:39 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605169/ Replace UUID with id_generator for Federated users | 16:39 |
| knikolla | i can make it work | 16:39 |
| cmurphy | okay thanks knikolla | 16:39 |
| ayoung | the first kindof sat therebroken as I had messed up the error handling, which broke tests. I'm fixing now | 16:39 |
| ayoung | the second has been ready for a long time, but held up by an architectural discussion | 16:40 |
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| ayoung | I'd like to get a greement that the second one should go in as is. | 16:40 |
| ayoung | Or even lots of greements. Greements are awesome | 16:40 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: can you sum up your concerns on that? | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | so - my concern is that we're introducing an anti-pattern we already fixed back in mitaka | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | reintroducing* | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | way back in the day - we used to let backend implementations call into the managers that invoked them | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | the concerns is that if you have to do something like that, it's a sign the backend knows too much, or is taking on too much responsbility | 16:42 |
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| lbragstad | and whatever they're calling for is probably business logic that should live in higher layers | 16:43 |
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| lbragstad | not allowing backends to call up keeps subsystem communication at the manager layer | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | and reduces inconsistencies in backend implementations (not really applicable here since we only have one backend, but... that probably another discussion) | 16:44 |
| lbragstad | in this case, the backend seems to be on the hook for figuring out an ID, instead of just getting passed an ID from the manager | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | part of the issue is that the ID generation is in the wrong place | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | i don't see an issue with doing explicitly this and following up with lifting the id generation | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | the id generation should not be as low as it is, we worked to fix that as well. a lot of the cases we should be passing an ID in or calling ID gen at the manager layer. | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | but we do need to lift the id generation up | 16:47 |
| kmalloc | (in either order) | 16:47 |
| ayoung | Lookin at the existing code for LDAP, the code looks like the code I wrote for Federation: the ldap code calls into the Id Generator when it needs the ID. | 16:47 |
| cmurphy | the ldap code calls it in authenticate() | 16:48 |
| ayoung | I looked yesterday, I think it calls it when making the shadow record. I can link | 16:48 |
| ayoung | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/identity/mapping_backends/sql.py#n76 | 16:49 |
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| cmurphy | the shadow record is only created when the user authenticates, or the id is generated in the mapping table when you explicitly call keystone-manage mapping_populate but the user isn't shadowed at that point | 16:49 |
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| ayoung | right. So if you list users via LDAP, you create a bunch of shaod records at that time | 16:50 |
| ayoung | But since LDAP tends to window the results, you get som,ething like 200 records. It is weird. | 16:51 |
| ayoung | However, my point is that there is nothing wrong per-se with having a driver call in to the id generator at a specific point if we are doing driver specific logic, like we do for LDAP and Federation | 16:51 |
| ayoung | And, while I would argue that, yes, it should be done for all users in a uniform manner, that is not the scope of this change | 16:52 |
| ayoung | I don't really have time or justification to do a major refactoring like that, and it would take a separate spec | 16:52 |
| lbragstad | sure - but we could hang this change on a change that cleans up the technical debt | 16:52 |
| ayoung | you're killing me smalls | 16:53 |
| lbragstad | :) sorry | 16:53 |
| ayoung | So, no, this is not the time to do that | 16:53 |
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| ayoung | the time to do that is when we decide that ALL users should have an ID generated this way | 16:53 |
| ayoung | Othewise, we pull driver specific logic out of the driver. | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | if other maintainers don't have an issue with this, then i'll remove the -1, i just think that a couple of the signs from the implementation of the patch raise certain code "smells" that tell us we should clean some things up | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | to be clear - those spells aren't necessarily due to ayoung's code either | 16:54 |
| lbragstad | smells* | 16:55 |
| ayoung | I think I like spells better | 16:55 |
| cmurphy | 4 minutes left | 16:56 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, how about this: we make this change now, and we alsop put in a spec for predicatable UserIds across the board. In that spec impl, we pull up the id geernation code to the manager | 16:56 |
| cmurphy | +1 to that | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | ayoung are you going to do the refactor to clean up the ID generation code and pull it into the manager/ | 16:57 |
| ayoung | OK, so if someone could pull the trigger on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605169/ the first round in Denver is on me | 16:57 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, I think I can do that, yeah. Won't necessarily be for Train, tho | 16:57 |
| ayoung | I think it is the right direction anyway, and, yeah, I would feel good about doing that | 16:57 |
| cmurphy | ayoung: can you also take the action to propose the spec for predictable user ids across the board? | 16:58 |
| kmalloc | ++ | 16:58 |
| ayoung | Yes | 16:58 |
| cmurphy | also not necessarily for train | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | to be clear - i don't have an issue with the overall direction | 16:58 |
| ayoung | I'll make one explicitly for User Ids, so we can scope it in. | 16:58 |
| ayoung | Or maybe user and groups together, so we can hit the id layer | 16:58 |
| lbragstad | i just have a preference to see technical debt get cleaned up before tacking on features | 16:58 |
| cmurphy | #agreed move forward with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/605169/ as-is, ayoung to propose cleanup and consistency across drivers later | 16:59 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, in a refactoring like this, it actually makes sense to implement in all of the distict drivers, get the tests right, then pull up to a common base. | 16:59 |
| kmalloc | much like we did flask | 16:59 |
| kmalloc | minimize the test changes | 17:00 |
| cmurphy | we're out of time, we can take this to -keystone | 17:00 |
| cmurphy | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| kmalloc | build a framework then lift to the framework | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 17:00:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-02-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-02-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-02-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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