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| cmurphy | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 23 16:00:22 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda | 16:00 |
| vishakha | o/ | 16:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:01 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:01 |
| cmurphy | okay let's get started | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | #topic next meetings | 16:02 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next meetings (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:02 | |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:02 |
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| cmurphy | next week most of us will be at the summit so we will have to cancel that meeting | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | wait | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | yes next week | 16:03 |
| * cmurphy loses track of time | 16:03 | |
| cmurphy | the following week i'm going to take a couple of days off, I could ask for a volunteer to chair the meeting but i think most of us are going to be toast anyway and we may as well cancel | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | thoughts? | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | wfm | 16:04 |
| lbragstad | i'll likely be working on summaries anyway | 16:04 |
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| cmurphy | okay | 16:06 |
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| cmurphy | #agreed next two meetings canceled, resume meetings Tuesday 14 May | 16:06 |
| vishakha | ok | 16:06 |
| gagehugo | wfm | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | cool | 16:07 |
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| cmurphy | #topic reviews | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:07 | |
| cmurphy | anyone want to highlight any reviews? | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | I noticed jose was working on https://review.opendev.org/655166 and wanted to bring it up | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | would that work? and would we need renewable app creds in that case? | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | knikolla: kmalloc ? | 16:10 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | that should be allowed, as long as if the group role assignment changes the app cred is likewise invalidated | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | there is no reason a group-conveyed role assignment should be restricted from use in an app cred | 16:11 |
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| kmalloc | doesn't need renewable. | 16:11 |
| kmalloc | assuming concrete group role assignment | 16:11 |
| lbragstad | it looks like they're generated at validation time | 16:11 |
| knikolla | we can't really check on group membership changes if they happen in idp | 16:12 |
| knikolla | and user only uses app cred to log in | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | IDP/Federation allowed appcreds are not concrete assignments | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | but groups are concrete and have concrete role assignments | 16:13 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/655166/1/keystone/models/token_model.py@412 | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | group roles can't be divined from the IDP in any case, group membership can. either a role is conveyed to the user directly in federation or it's a role assignment on a group within keystone | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | so, no reason group role assignments shouldn't be allowed in app creds. | 16:14 |
| kmalloc | afaict | 16:14 |
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| lbragstad | well - i thought the main driver of renewable app creds was because we wanted to "force" the auditing of those groups | 16:15 |
| lbragstad | so that a federated user couldn't just create an application credential with access that gets out of sync from the idp in the future | 16:15 |
| * lbragstad could be mis-remembering something though | 16:16 | |
| kmalloc | that is fair | 16:16 |
| kmalloc | but this appears to be *any* group assignment | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | ignoring auto-provisioned projects, when a federated user gets a scoped token the mapping gives them a membership in a group which gives them an effective role assignment | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | if they lose membership to the group because their saml attributes changed then they don't have the effective role assignment any more | 16:17 |
| cmurphy | because the mapping wouldn't apply any more | 16:17 |
| cmurphy | right? | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | and that's driven by the assertion, yeah? | 16:17 |
| cmurphy | as i understand it | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | right, but they could login with the app cred is the concern | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | circumventing that effective bit. | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | right | 16:17 |
| lbragstad | so if i have membership to an admin group in an idp somewhere | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | so, exempt federation from effective until we have renewable? | 16:17 |
| kmalloc | but otherwise, this still feels like a gap in our functionality | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | i can use my assertion to generate an application credential to that corresponding OpenStack group | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | and nothing would force me to revisit that authorization, even if i'm removed from that group or company | 16:18 |
| cmurphy | okay that's right, i'm remembering now | 16:18 |
| lbragstad | iirc - renewability was our scapegoat | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | in order to prevent that specific foot-gun scenario | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | we could just do a "is_federated" and not do "effective" | 16:21 |
| kmalloc | in that case. until we have renewable | 16:22 |
| kmalloc | and we can do the same normal invalidation on group assignment change we do on direct assignment | 16:22 |
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| cmurphy | okay i'm in agreement, can someone comment on the patch? | 16:25 |
| kmalloc | I'll comment. | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | thanks | 16:25 |
| cmurphy | i also wanted to mention https://review.opendev.org/649177 i haven't looked at the last revision but it seems like it fixes an important bug but needs some careful eyes on it | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | #topic open discussion | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:27 | |
| cmurphy | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 16:27 |
| lbragstad | my internal team is having a team dinner at some point next week, we just don't know when, where, or how. | 16:28 |
| lbragstad | so - i'm not sure if that will conflict with the keystone team dinner at anypoint | 16:28 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: based on the poll i was going to go for wednesday | 16:29 |
| lbragstad | sweet - if that's the consensus, i'll let my internal team know | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | cool | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | i'll be trying to organize that properly today | 16:30 |
| kmalloc | commented. | 16:30 |
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| lbragstad | thanks cmurphy | 16:31 |
| cmurphy | here's another question for the group, do we need branches for ldappool? see thierry's question https://review.opendev.org/654455 | 16:34 |
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| lbragstad | interesting | 16:35 |
| kmalloc | we had them for convenience not for any other reason | 16:36 |
| kmalloc | probably don't need the branching | 16:36 |
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| cmurphy | i'll ask pas-ha since he had asked about the branch, i think we may as well drop them | 16:38 |
| hrybacki | from a vendor perspective, branches are nice \0/ | 16:38 |
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| cmurphy | hrybacki: from another vendor perspective we don't use the branches for that lib | 16:39 |
| cmurphy | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:39 |
| hrybacki | I don't have a strong argument tbh -- hence the weak shruggie :) | 16:40 |
| cmurphy | yeah doesn't seem like there's a strong rationale either way | 16:42 |
| cmurphy | seems like the meeting is winding down so let's go ahead and close it and get a few minutes back | 16:42 |
| cmurphy | see most of you next week! | 16:43 |
| cmurphy | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:43 | |
| hrybacki | o/ thanks cmurphy ! | 16:43 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 23 16:43:07 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-23-16.00.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-23-16.00.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-04-23-16.00.log.html | 16:43 |
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