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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 15:00:22 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| carloss | hey :) | 15:00 |
| vhariria | hi | 15:00 |
| jgrosso | Hi all! | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
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| tbarron | manila courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso vhariria | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| _erlon_ | hey | 15:01 |
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| * bswartz is back from vacation | 15:01 | |
| lseki | o/ | 15:01 |
| amito | o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | bswartz: hope it was a good one :) | 15:01 |
| * tbarron waits a couple | 15:01 | |
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| gouthamr | o/ | 15:02 |
| tbarron | ok, we've got a pretty good group | 15:02 |
| tbarron | Hi everyone! | 15:03 |
| xyang | hi | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #link Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | We don't have a whole lot to cover today. | 15:03 |
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| tbarron | #topic Announcemenets | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcemenets (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | I don't have any. Anyone? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we've successfully make "open discussion" last 55 minutes before | 15:04 |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:04 |
| * tbarron can see bswartz is full of energy from his vacation | 15:04 | |
| tbarron | #topic Summit and PTG | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit and PTG (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| bswartz | I'm not suggesting we try again... | 15:05 |
| tbarron | just reminders | 15:05 |
| tbarron | We won't have *this* meeting next week | 15:05 |
| tbarron | Monday-Wednesday Summit, Thurs-Saturday PTG | 15:05 |
| tbarron | PTG will start at 9am Thursday mountain time US | 15:06 |
| tbarron | That's UTC-6, right? | 15:06 |
| tbarron | here are the manila summit topics | 15:06 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes | 15:06 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Manila | 15:06 |
| tbarron | here's a link to PTG schedule: | 15:07 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron: do we have the schedule for the PTG topics? | 15:07 |
| _erlon_ | ow | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_schedule | 15:07 |
| _erlon_ | :) | 15:07 |
| tbarron | here is the etherpad for manila: | 15:07 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-denver-train-ptg-planning | 15:08 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: thanks for asking | 15:08 |
| tbarron | I will turn this into a provisional schedule this week | 15:08 |
| tbarron | so if you are remote and need a topic at a particular time please indicate that on the etherpad | 15:08 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron: provisional? | 15:09 |
| tbarron | the schedule will always be somewhat provisional and fluid | 15:09 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: we may make up time in some areas and find we need more time in others | 15:09 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: make sense? | 15:09 |
| tbarron | but we can make pretty firm commitments for remote attendees as needed | 15:10 |
| xyang | tbarron, looks like Manila and Cinder PTG sessions will happen at the same time? | 15:10 |
| _erlon_ | hmm, ok, my concern is conflics with the Cinder discussions some of us might need to attend | 15:10 |
| tbarron | xyang: there will be some overlap | 15:10 |
| _erlon_ | so, time slots would be nice to coordinate that | 15:10 |
| tbarron | xyang: _erlon_ - so that is one reason we may discover that we need to move stuff around | 15:11 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: xyang others - if there are cinder slots that you definitely want to attend and you know when they are please indicate that along | 15:11 |
| tbarron | with stuff in manila that you really don't want to miss | 15:11 |
| tbarron | if you see topics of general interest to manila in cinder then we may crash their session for those | 15:12 |
| tbarron | The scheduling probably won't be perfect but it will be a lot better if people add information to the etherpad in advance. | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Anything else on this topic? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Oh | 15:13 |
| tbarron | Will FIT be able to bring the webcam/mic again? | 15:13 |
| tbarron | I think ganso used to do that ... | 15:13 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron:sure we can take it | 15:14 |
| tbarron | We'll set up a bluejeans session for remote and announce it on #openstack-manila (meeting topic) that morning | 15:14 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: awesome, thanks! | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Bluejeans? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Not zoom? | 15:15 |
| tbarron | bswartz: anyone is welcome to set up zoom session if they want | 15:15 |
| _erlon_ | zoom++ | 15:15 |
| _erlon_ | :) | 15:15 |
| tbarron | I was just repeating the past. | 15:15 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron: zoom is the new hipe now ;) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Oh I remember the bad old days of webex | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Zoom makes me happy | 15:15 |
| bswartz | Bluejeans is okay too | 15:16 |
| _erlon_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:16 |
| carloss | bswartz: +1 | 15:16 |
| lseki | zoom++ | 15:16 |
| tbarron | some people don't like open source solutions I guess :) | 15:17 |
| tbarron | I'm gonna delegate the VC setup so I don't have a vote, will use whatever ... | 15:17 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron: can I install BJ in my server? | 15:17 |
| lseki | actually I'm ok with anything but webex | 15:18 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: in principle I guess, for our purposes that's not needed though | 15:18 |
| tbarron | bluejeans is a memory hog | 15:18 |
| tbarron | the client | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I'd prefer open source, but I wasn't aware that zoom was less open source than bluejeans | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I just note that they have excellent Linux support | 15:18 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I haven't researched it but I think that's the case, the main thing is that we have something reliable. | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | yeah bluejeans has pretty messy browser support | 15:19 |
| _erlon_ | tbarron: just joking about the 'opensourceness' of it | 15:19 |
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| jgrosso | gouthamr: !! | 15:19 |
| tbarron | _erlon_: gotcha | 15:20 |
| tbarron | #topic Stein retrospective | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein retrospective (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
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| tbarron | We'll start Thursday morning with a Stein retrospective since doing Rocky retrospective last time seemed worthwhile. | 15:20 |
| tbarron | I want to keep it to a half hour. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | But we can spin off topics if we need to and add them to the agenda. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | It will help for people to think in advance of things that went well and especially | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: :P hey, but it's got infinite recording quota, which we'll need... | 15:21 |
| tbarron | things that we should do differently. | 15:21 |
| tbarron | So we have an etherpad for this | 15:22 |
| tbarron | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-stein-retrospective | 15:22 |
| tbarron | You'll likely think of some things that need improvement in the coming week. | 15:22 |
| tbarron | So please bookmark that so you can take 30s to put such items on the list. | 15:23 |
| tbarron | Questions? Comments? | 15:23 |
| tbarron | #topic Train Schedule | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Train Schedule (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:23 | |
| * tbarron has fun saying that | 15:23 | |
| tbarron | I've put up a WIP review with manila deadlines here: | 15:24 |
| tbarron | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/655667/ | 15:24 |
| tbarron | Please take a look now. | 15:24 |
| tbarron | Maybe we don't need to spend PTG time on it. | 15:24 |
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| tbarron | Here is the rendered schedule from that review: | 15:25 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I imagine a lot of people voted for "train" because of the possible puns | 15:25 |
| tbarron | #link http://logs.openstack.org/67/655667/1/check/openstack-tox-docs/553c2e7/html/train/schedule.html | 15:25 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | We have a spec proposal freeze? :P | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | noooo | 15:26 |
| tbarron | This dev cycle is shorter than last time but w/o as many holidays | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I added that to see if anyone was paying attention | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: keystone had it, so it seemed worth thinking about | 15:27 |
| * gouthamr passed | 15:27 | |
| tbarron | The advantage would be that we don't have people like gouthamr dropping specs on us at the last minute. | 15:27 |
| tbarron | The disadvantage is that ^^^^^ | 15:27 |
| tbarron | What do people think? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I'm neutral | 15:28 |
| tbarron | There are otherwise no new project specific deadlines added. | 15:28 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I'm happy to drop that one. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | I don't think specs at the last minute are that big of an issue. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | People who do it better have damn good specs or they won't be approved. | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yeah, it doesn't make too much sense to me to separate spec proposal and spec freeze | 15:29 |
| tbarron | Submitting right before a deadline is always risky. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | We have finite reviewer bandwidth, etc. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | OK, unless someone wants to keep the spec proposal deadline I will re-submit with that gone. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | So then we have Spec Freeze at Train-2 | 15:30 |
| tbarron | Also driver submission deadline at Train-2 | 15:30 |
| tbarron | by 26 July. | 15:31 |
| tbarron | Feature proposal freeze R-9 week, 16 August | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | ack, we've gotten better at tracking ongoing work, so i think it's worth just having one deadline | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | Feature Freeze matches the general freeze, at Train-3 milestone, 13 Sept. | 15:32 |
| tbarron | Anyone have issues with these dates? | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | awesome | 15:33 |
| tbarron | OK, I'll make the revision as we discussed and remove the WF -1. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | If upon reflection any of you want to make a change then add it to the PTG agenda and we can revisit. | 15:34 |
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| tbarron | But I'd like to go on and merge our plan as of today so that we can present that to the community at Summit. | 15:34 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:34 | |
| tbarron | jgrosso: got any for us? | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | thanks tbarron I have a few for us | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1713062 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713062 in Manila "Missing ability to automatically build configuration reference artifacts" [High,Triaged] | 15:35 |
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| gouthamr | been High for a few cycles now | 15:36 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: what outcome are you looking for on this one? It's a genuine issue. | 15:36 |
| jgrosso | is anyone looking at it | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | we need an owner, oslo-config has some new tooling we can consider using | 15:37 |
| jgrosso | been sitting at high for a year | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | cinder added a "config table" sphinx extension to render options cleanly for different drivers | 15:37 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: if you happen to have that review then pls. add a pointer to it to this bug | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | this thing: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/doc/ext/driver_opts.py | 15:38 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: we're going to have to figure how to manage our backlog but | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | ack | 15:38 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: you are still working to reduce it so that we can see it clearly | 15:39 |
| tbarron | jgrosso is doing an awesome job on that front | 15:39 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: how many bugs are we down to? | 15:39 |
| jgrosso | thanks doing my best :) | 15:39 |
| jgrosso | 202 open | 15:39 |
| tbarron | he's clearing out old probably unreproducible bugs | 15:39 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: do you have a sense of how many of those are driver bugs? | 15:40 |
| jgrosso | looks like 30 ish | 15:40 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: those we should make separate backlog queues for | 15:40 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: so we still have around 170 "common core" bugs? | 15:40 |
| jgrosso | Yeah I know we spoke about separate queues | 15:40 |
| jgrosso | we have 32 doc | 15:41 |
| tbarron | we're getting close to the point where we can see stuff well enough to have some meetings where we re-prioritize and devise | 15:41 |
| tbarron | some dashboards with the separate backlogs | 15:42 |
| jgrosso | that would be great | 15:42 |
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| tbarron | I'm relucatant to just volunteer for a bug because no one else is raising their hand. | 15:42 |
| tbarron | That just gives an appearance that we're taking care of stuff unless I really have bandwidth to work on it. | 15:43 |
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| tbarron | So we didn't get a volunteer for this one. | 15:43 |
| jgrosso | understood and that is a good thing no reason to assign it if you cant work on it | 15:43 |
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| jgrosso | I am trying to get the high ones looked at first | 15:44 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: yes, thanks. | 15:44 |
| jgrosso | maybe we should table this until after PTG | 15:44 |
| jgrosso | I know people are very busy | 15:44 |
| tbarron | And I agree that this one is high priority. | 15:44 |
| tbarron | But it's not *urgent*. | 15:44 |
| jgrosso | ok | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | some I just see HIGH and unassigned | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1666547 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1666547 in Manila "poor api performance with postgresql backend" [High,In progress] | 15:45 |
| jgrosso | like this one | 15:45 |
| tbarron | Why is this high? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | Someone cares a lot about postgres no doubt | 15:46 |
| tbarron | Is there a manila user reporting that this is hurting them? | 15:46 |
| tbarron | Maybe SAP | 15:46 |
| bswartz | mkoderer says so | 15:47 |
| tbarron | SAP has resources, they should propose a fix. | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | Look like a fixed was released for Cinder | 15:47 |
| bswartz | The issue is that indices are not created | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | I just saw it was unassigned | 15:47 |
| bswartz | If that's true, it could be an easy fix with high positive impact | 15:47 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: I'm not challengin you, thanks for bringing it to our attention! | 15:47 |
| bswartz | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/437346/ | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | no worries | 15:48 |
| tbarron | I'm just speaking as PTL from a business perspective, it may be a low hanging fruit and we'd welcome a fix. | 15:48 |
| jgrosso | completely understand :) | 15:48 |
| tbarron | cinder has a much simpler DB schema than we do | 15:49 |
| jgrosso | cool I had no idea | 15:49 |
| tbarron | we have tons of joins | 15:49 |
| tbarron | but I digress | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | I don't think this fix is rocket science but I do think it requires care. | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | needs a new tag on launchpad: 'mid-tree-hanging-fruit' | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:51 |
| tbarron | If no one objects I'm going to downgrade this to Medium with the remark that if someone is affected by it they can bump it back up. | 15:51 |
| tbarron | For all I know SAP has fixed it in their fork. | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: sounds good to me | 15:51 |
| jgrosso | That is all I had for now | 15:52 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: awesome, thanks so much for what you are doing | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso++ | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: your very welcome ! | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:52 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: would you add that config doc bug as a PTG topic? | 15:52 |
| tbarron | maybe we can get a plan for it there. | 15:52 |
| jgrosso | sure | 15:53 |
| tbarron | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:53 | |
| tbarron | So as you can see we like other openstack projects are resource challenged | 15:53 |
| tbarron | much of my work, and of manila colleagues from my company | 15:54 |
| tbarron | is with deployments and bug fixes that customers have reported vs | 15:54 |
| tbarron | bugs that someone has found upstream and is no longer making any noise about | 15:55 |
| tbarron | So we're doing our best to get bugs and planned work in better focus since we can't just | 15:55 |
| tbarron | rely on the fact that OpenStack is popular and developers are clamoring to be a part of it and will fix | 15:56 |
| tbarron | arbitrary stuff in order to make their way into the community. | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | Fixing bugs with the generic driver is a huge time sink. | 15:56 |
| jgrosso | ill bet it is | 15:57 |
| tbarron | But other open source back ends that people are actually invested in, like Ceph | 15:57 |
| tbarron | have feature gaps so that they can't yet serve as a replacement reference driver. | 15:57 |
| tbarron | Just sayin ..... :) | 15:58 |
| tbarron | looks like we managed to spend a perfectly good hour of your time today! | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:59 |
| tbarron | See you at PTG and on #openstack-manila | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:59 |
| tbarron | Bye all, and thanks! | 15:59 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | are we canceling next week? | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 15:59:36 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-04-25-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-04-25-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-04-25-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yes, and it's in the minutes above I think | 15:59 |
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| gouthamr | okay, missed that | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | ty tbarron | 16:00 |
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