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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 13 15:00:26 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
| carloss | hey! :) | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:00 |
| tbarron | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss | 15:00 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| lseki | o/ | 15:00 |
| vhari | hi | 15:01 |
| _erlon_ | Hey | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| tbarron | Hi all! | 15:01 |
| amito | hey | 15:02 |
| tbarron | looks like we've got a quorum | 15:02 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| tbarron | I don't have any, just a reminder to review outstanding specs and new driver submissions. | 15:03 |
| tbarron | Anyone else? | 15:03 |
| tbarron | #topic launchpad spam | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "launchpad spam (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| tbarron | You may have noticed our bug topics and descriptions getting changed to adds for pharmaceuticals. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | If you run into one of these it won't do any good to correct it. | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(Monty_Python) | 15:04 |
| tbarron | They'll just come back again. | 15:04 |
| tbarron | whack-a-mole | 15:04 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ty! | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | Sir Can-A-Lot :'D | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Instead, plese file a Question under the Answers tab on launchpad | 15:07 |
| bswartz | Is this a problem canonical is working on addressing? | 15:07 |
| tbarron | Here's an example | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I imagine it affects all of LP | 15:07 |
| tbarron | https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/681282 | 15:07 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I don't know what Canonical is doing about the issue structurally but | 15:08 |
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| tbarron | there are folks working on Launchpad who pay attention to these reports and respond pretty quickly | 15:09 |
| tbarron | They ban the user doing it and restore any bugs you tell them about. | 15:09 |
| tbarron | There doesn't seem to be a good way to search for bugs that a particular user has polluted though. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | So the best thing is to report as soon as we see so that spammers realize that manila folks are vigilant and | 15:10 |
| tbarron | they won't find us to be a good playground. | 15:10 |
| tbarron | Any questions/thoughts/further remarks on this? | 15:11 |
| tbarron | OK, thanks in advance to everyone for helpling clean this stuff up. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | #topic allowing toggling visibility of share types | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "allowing toggling visibility of share types (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr: you are up | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | thanks tbarron | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | #LINK: : https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661209/ (Spec: Add update share-type API to Share Types) | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | i see haixin on #openstack-manila, but not here | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | haixin's the owner of that spec, and therefore interested in the discussion here. | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Errr | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | Why didn't we do this from the beginning? | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | a question came up during the review of that spec, the proposers are seeking to add support to toggle the name, description and "is_public" attribute of share types | 15:14 |
| bswartz | It seems we must have had a reason to not make that field mutable | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yeah, seems like we missed it, i don't recall a discussion.. | 15:15 |
| tbarron | haixin: hello! | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | private share types have share-type-access rules | 15:16 |
| tbarron | we were just trying to remember why we didn't make this field mutable when it was implemented | 15:16 |
| haixin | hello | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | hey haixin | 15:17 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I guess one concern is revoking access to shares that were previously public and in use by other tenants | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | so as haixin suggests, we could safely allow setting private share types to public without deleting any of the accesses | 15:17 |
| bswartz | Of course the is_public and the actual access rules are orthagonal | 15:17 |
| haixin | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661209/ | 15:18 |
| * tbarron pretends he didn't notice vkmc sneaking in | 15:18 | |
| * vkmc sits silently in the back seats | 15:18 | |
| gouthamr | bswartz: they are; and i did a quick test to confirm nothing really breaks.. we just don't allow retrieving/setting share type accesses for a public share type | 15:19 |
| bswartz | Okay there aren't any problems coming to my mind | 15:19 |
| bswartz | It just seems weird we didn't do it this way from the start | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | well, what about when taking a public share type private | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | users that lose access won't be able to see these share types any longer | 15:20 |
| haixin | today i try to set share_type from public to private, then try some manila api, all normal | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | haixin: nice thanks, i hadn't tested that.. | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | can't think of anything else being affected, besides the fact that it might be confusing to lose access to something and not be able to tell | 15:23 |
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| gouthamr | i.e., for a user without access, their existing shares will still refer to the now hidden share type... but they won't find that share type if they want to seek more details | 15:24 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: the alternative of deleting the share type and making a new one like it that's private wouldn't be any better though | 15:26 |
| haixin | at the database level, these shares have been associated with the share-type, and still keep the characteristics of the share-type, does not affect the other share operations. | 15:26 |
| haixin | yes, that means the user without access, can not create share with this share type any more | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | haixin: yeah true, today we allow share type extra-specs to be modified, and existing shares retain their older properties, so that's already a confusion we allow :) | 15:27 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: right | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, i see the need for the feature.. if they want to stop provisioning to a certain class of storage or take away rights to one or more projects | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | quite helpful indeed to allow modifying the visibility | 15:28 |
| tbarron | Maybe we should just make sure that the share type doc mentions that people need to be careful when changing anything significant about a share type b/c | 15:29 |
| tbarron | pre-existing shares will use the definition from when they were created. | 15:29 |
| tbarron | It seems like we have a consensus? Anyone have further concerns about the change this spec proposes? | 15:31 |
| tbarron | I don't hear any. | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | not me, i like the idea of calling out the doc, and perhaps adding a hint on the UI that modifications will cause confusion to users | 15:32 |
| tbarron | haixin and gouthamr thanks for the testing | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | s/will/may - given we don't know how one treats share types | 15:32 |
| haixin | i agree, tbarron | 15:32 |
| tbarron | haixin: thanks for coming to this meeting, I know it's very late for you | 15:32 |
| * bswartz +1 | 15:32 | |
| tbarron | we'll review the spec and I'm sure there will be some small issues that come up but | 15:33 |
| haixin | it does not matter | 15:33 |
| tbarron | this was the main thing. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | And it probably saved a lot of back and forth in review to be able to talk it through synchronouly here. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | #topic security services testing in tempest | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "security services testing in tempest (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:34 | |
| tbarron | gouthamr: you again | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | thanks tbarron | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | alright, this is an old bug | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1699856 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1699856 in Manila "Tempest tests missing adding Security service to share-network" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:34 |
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| gouthamr | there's currently no way to assign one or more security services to share networks created by the tests | 15:36 |
| gouthamr | this limits testing for CIFS with a backend that supports security services | 15:36 |
| bswartz | That sounds like just a limitation of our tempest code | 15:36 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | and perhaps other protocols too ^ | 15:37 |
| gouthamr | https://docs.openstack.org/manila/latest/admin/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.html#mapping-of-share-drivers-and-security-services-support | 15:37 |
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| gouthamr | ^ so that's all the backends that have testing limitations | 15:39 |
| * tbarron wonders if anyone has actually done kerberized nfs with netapp in manila | 15:39 | |
| gouthamr | iirc netapp uses a pre-created share network with a security service assigned to it as the common share network for all tempest tests | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | as a workaround | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: i've done keberized nfs with netapp, but never the manila piece | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | that severely limits multi-tenancy testing, because on that backend, a share network will ever only need one share server | 15:40 |
| tbarron | bswartz: i think in theory ganesha will do kerberized nfs but i've not tried | 15:40 |
| bswartz | Well if the real goal is multitenant tesing, you only need multiple share networks. Security services aren't relevant there | 15:41 |
| tbarron | side issue | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: NetApp/manila/CIFS won't work without Active Directory | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | don't know if the other backends have that requirement | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | as a fix: i feel we can at least have configuration options that allow assigning a configured security service to every share network tempest creates | 15:42 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: so this would be a tempest config option, right? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes (or options if necessary) | 15:43 |
| tbarron | seems reasonable | 15:44 |
| * gouthamr thinks we have a DictOpt type to dump all security service data into one config option | 15:44 | |
| bswartz | Does it make more sense for tempest to do the configuration using tempest options for the values, or for the pre-tempest setup to do the configuration, and tell tempest what to use? | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | tempest currently creates share networks when it needs them... so having a pre-created manila security service that can be configured as a tempest option would also work | 15:46 |
| tbarron | bswartz: gothamr: hmm, tempest is sometimes run w/o our CI pre-tempest setup ... | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | but, puts the burden on testers and CI hooks | 15:46 |
| tbarron | and our hooks might not be the same as we convert legacy jobs? not sure ... | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, it's been harder to ask folks to automate things elsewhere where they use manila-tempest-plugin - it doesn't fit right with their way of doing things | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | going by experience with RDO, tripleo-ci, downstream redhat CI, certification folks | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | i.e., easy for us that we use pre-test-hooks to do all sorts of things :) | 15:48 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yeah and I think non-RedHat will have similar issues | 15:49 |
| tbarron | so from that POV doing it for tempest plugin itself is the most portable | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | okay, the real question now: would some one who maintains of the backends affected be kind enough to take this bug? | 15:50 |
| ganso | lseki, dviroel, carloss: ^ | 15:51 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: that's sneaky, given the table you put up that means netapp, huawei, emc, or windows and only one of those is here today | 15:51 |
| ganso | I think that question is mostly directed at you | 15:51 |
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| tbarron | ganso: you are taking entirely too much fun with that | 15:52 |
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| ganso | tbarron: xD | 15:52 |
| bswartz | So for the NetApp guys, this one really does interest us | 15:52 |
| bswartz | But I'm not sure where the prioritiy is relative to other things | 15:53 |
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| jgrosso | Did I miss the bug portionof the program ? :) | 15:53 |
| lseki | we need to check the priority among other stuff | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: no man, i stole one from you | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | what! | 15:53 |
| jgrosso | :( | 15:54 |
| jgrosso | I see how it is gouthamr | 15:54 |
| bswartz | lseki: it's wouldn't be bad to take ownership, even if it won't get addressed for a little while | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | let's tag this one with the affected back ends at least | 15:54 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: ack, will do.. | 15:54 |
| tbarron | and it would be great if a netapper would grab this one | 15:55 |
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| tbarron | we promise to keep jgrosso from hounding you about whey it's not fixed next week | 15:55 |
| ganso | bswartz: in my experience taking ownership sometimes prevents other people from eventually taking ownership if you take a long time to work on it | 15:55 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:55 |
| tbarron | #topic bugs | 15:55 |
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| tbarron | jgrosso: you can't just ask netapp for status on this one now | 15:56 |
| tbarron | what else do you have for us? | 15:56 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1707378 | 15:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707378 in Manila "Quota usage value error in batch create share" [High,Incomplete] | 15:56 |
| jgrosso | its old and HIGH | 15:56 |
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| dviroel | Done! Assigned 1699856 for me | 15:57 |
| tbarron | dviroel: thanks | 15:57 |
| bswartz | ganso: That's true | 15:57 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: we didn't talk about this at PTG | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | hmm ok | 15:57 |
| jgrosso | should this be downgraded from HIGH or placed on a wishlist | 15:58 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: we don't currently have downstream customers complaining about this bug | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | sounds good | 15:59 |
| tbarron | nor customer reports upstream but | 15:59 |
| tbarron | presumably huawei hit this in their public cloud | 15:59 |
| tbarron | you could probably set it to medium or low and if someone | 16:00 |
| tbarron | has an issue maybe they can bring resources to the problem | 16:00 |
| ganso | tbarron: time check | 16:00 |
| jgrosso | sounds good | 16:00 |
| tbarron | but we're out of time | 16:00 |
| jgrosso | ok | 16:00 |
| tbarron | thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| jgrosso | thanks tbarron | 16:00 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 13 16:00:45 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-13-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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