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| tbarron | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 20 15:00:49 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | o/ | 15:01 |
| lseki | o/ | 15:01 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | it's a public holiday lots of places, like Argentina, today | 15:01 |
| tbarron | what about Brazil? | 15:01 |
| dviroel | Also in Brazil | 15:02 |
| tbarron | dviroel: you guys don't get the day off? | 15:02 |
| vhari | :) | 15:02 |
| lseki | yes, connecting from home | 15:02 |
| tbarron | lseki: dviroel: i'm impressed | 15:02 |
| dviroel | tbarron: yeah, just following up the meeting today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | https://www.officeholidays.com/holidays/brazil/corpus-christi | 15:02 |
| tbarron | ok let's get started, we may not have a whole lot of people today but we don't have a big agenda either | 15:03 |
| tbarron | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tbarron | oh | 15:03 |
| tbarron | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss | 15:04 |
| jgrosso | hi | 15:04 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:04 | |
| tbarron | jgrosso: cool, i thought you might skip today :) | 15:04 |
| vhari | hi jgrosso, all | 15:04 |
| jgrosso | no sir | 15:04 |
| tbarron | vhari: hi | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | Anyone have any? I don't today. | 15:05 |
| tbarron | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| tbarron | jgrosso: what do you have for us? | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1713062 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713062 in Manila "Missing ability to automatically build configuration reference artifacts" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | ops ignoe | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | ignore | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | sorry :-) | 15:06 |
| tbarron | heh | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: we have been, for a few releases now :) | 15:07 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1833160 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1833160 in Manila "VNX: driver cannot start under py37 due to wrap_socket() got an unexpected keyword argument '_context'" [Undecided,New] | 15:07 |
| jgrosso | just came in saw you tagged it | 15:07 |
| jgrosso | will a dell emc person take this eventually? | 15:07 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: so the reporter is a dell emc person | 15:07 |
| bswartz | They kinda need do unless someone in the community knocks it out | 15:08 |
| tbarron | pls. ask if he intends to fix it | 15:08 |
| jgrosso | will do | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Looks like a generic py37 issue | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Probably related to a library they're using | 15:08 |
| tbarron | if anyone knows the workaround for urllib with py37 please add a remark/pointer to the bug | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Wait it's a urllib issue? | 15:08 |
| tbarron | it's good that this 3rd party driver is testing with python3! | 15:09 |
| bswartz | And there like a 100 versions of urllib? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ^H^H^H | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Aren't there like a 100 versions of urllib? | 15:09 |
| jgrosso | wow that many | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's my impression | 15:09 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: 100 is a bswartz number | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Maybe they just need a newer version of that library | 15:10 |
| jgrosso | tbarron :) | 15:10 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I think there's a way to import urllib through six that works with all python versions | 15:10 |
| tbarron | bswartz: please suggest that, that seems familiar | 15:10 |
| jgrosso | https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1810988 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1810988 in Manila "[tempest] migration tests often fail with ssh timeouts " [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tom Barron (tpb) | 15:11 |
| tbarron | The good thing here is that Dell-EMC reported the bug, hopefully as a step towards a fix | 15:11 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: that guy is unreliable | 15:11 |
| bswartz | Does Dell have any developers dedicated to openstack and/or manila? | 15:11 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: oh ok | 15:11 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: i haven't taken time to work on this, i may unassign myself for now since I don't have bandwidth right now | 15:12 |
| jgrosso | ok I will unassign | 15:12 |
| jgrosso | thanks Tom | 15:12 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: thank you | 15:12 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: welcome | 15:13 |
| tbarron | tempest ssh library needs fixes like we did in manila proper if anyone is interested | 15:13 |
| tbarron | i can advise | 15:13 |
| tbarron | but it's tempest, not manila tempest plugin | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: they do, but only for driver work.. my POCs are helenwalsh and rajinir | 15:14 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: this is driver work it looks like | 15:14 |
| jgrosso | that is all I had on my list for now | 15:15 |
| tbarron | they typically route us to platform specific engineers and iirc the reporter on this bug is the VNX guy they route to | 15:15 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: thanks! | 15:15 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: welcome | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ack, i presume they'll pick it up... else we can prod 'em by email | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 | 15:15 |
| tbarron | jgrosso: your consistent discipline w.r.t. our bugs is really helping us keep the backlog managable! | 15:16 |
| jgrosso | tbarron: Thank you | 15:16 |
| tbarron | #topic kubecon report | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | this is a carry over | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: any reason to suspect that tempest wouldn't accept our SSH-related fixes? | 15:16 |
| tbarron | i reported on Cephalocon but not Kubecon | 15:17 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I don't see an issue there, they're pretty reasonable. | 15:17 |
| tbarron | On Kubecon I just wanted to share some very presentations that I think people here would like. | 15:18 |
| tbarron | And get them in the meeting minutes. | 15:18 |
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| tbarron | First, here's a link to Saad Ali's talks | 15:19 |
| tbarron | #link https://kccnceu19.sched.com/speaker/saad_ali.1w8kd0qk | 15:19 |
| tbarron | He leads the K8s Storage SIG | 15:19 |
| tbarron | And did a keynote that articulated really well the aspiration to | 15:20 |
| tbarron | give application developers ability to describe the storage they need | 15:20 |
| tbarron | with yaml that is portable across container orchestrator clouds | 15:21 |
| tbarron | He also has a talk in there on K8s magic | 15:21 |
| tbarron | that makes a really good poing about HA | 15:21 |
| tbarron | K8s guarantees eventual recovery of services | 15:21 |
| tbarron | including storage services | 15:21 |
| tbarron | but that's *not* HA | 15:21 |
| tbarron | like it can take up to 10+ minutes to eventualy recover | 15:22 |
| tbarron | Michelle Au gave a great talk on improving availability for stateful apps | 15:23 |
| tbarron | #link https://kccnceu19.sched.com/event/MPfh/improving-availability-for-stateful-applications-in-kubernetes-michelle-au-google | 15:23 |
| tbarron | really worth watching | 15:23 |
| tbarron | I also recommend highly David Zhu and Jan Safranek's K8s Storage 101 session | 15:24 |
| bswartz | Ty for links -- I missed these talks | 15:24 |
| tbarron | #link https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kccnceu19/cf/slides.pdf | 15:24 |
| tbarron | pay attention to the slides that compare/contrast the way PVCs map to replicated pods for Stateful Sets vs all other deployments | 15:25 |
| tbarron | Finally, there are rook talks all over the place | 15:26 |
| tbarron | you can search for them | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | easily | 15:26 |
| tbarron | but here's an IntroL | 15:26 |
| tbarron | Intro | 15:26 |
| tbarron | #link https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kccnceu19/45/Rook%20Project%20Intro.pdf | 15:27 |
| tbarron | It's worth knowing what Rook is about and how it uses the so-called Operator pattern and Custom Resource Definitions | 15:28 |
| tbarron | oh, sorry, I said "finally" but | 15:28 |
| tbarron | #link https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kccnceu19/55/SIG-OpenStack%20KubeCon%20Barcelona%202019.pdf | 15:28 |
| tbarron | is the OpenStack SIG Intro and Deep Dive | 15:29 |
| tbarron | so is directly relevant to us | 15:29 |
| tbarron | ok, I'm through :) | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | Any comments, discussion, additions on this topic? | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | Thanks for the links tbarron | 15:29 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: bswartz: yw | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | #topic Open Discussion | 15:30 |
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| dviroel | o/ | 15:31 |
| dviroel | Just want to remind , if someone has some time, to review the spec "Create share from snapshots in another pool or back end" | 15:31 |
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| dviroel | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/609537/ | 15:31 |
| dviroel | =) | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: ack, will take a look at it | 15:32 |
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| dviroel | gouthamr: thanks | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | dviroel: thanks for your work on this and the reminder | 15:32 |
| tbarron | I don't see ganso here today but it would be great to get him to review, as well as bswartz and myself | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661209/ could use reviews too | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | ^ Add update share-type API to Share Types | 15:34 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: i'm planning on reviewing that one soon, for nits, as I think it's basically ok | 15:34 |
| tbarron | lseki: dviroel if you guys could review 661209 that would be helpful | 15:35 |
| tbarron | it won't be a huge sink hole | 15:35 |
| dviroel | tbarron: sure, will do it | 15:35 |
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| lseki | I will | 15:35 |
| tbarron | thanks! | 15:35 |
| tbarron | Anything else to talk about in the meeting today! | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | Enjoy your holidays if you're in a Catholic country :-) | 15:36 |
| lseki | thanks :-) | 15:37 |
| dviroel | thanks! | 15:37 |
| tbarron | yes, please enjoy | 15:37 |
| tbarron | Thanks everyone, see you in #openstack-manila | 15:37 |
| tbarron | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 15:38:03 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-20-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-20-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-06-20-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 20 16:01:00 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 16:01 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:01 | |
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| priteau | Hi jakecoll | 16:05 |
| jakecoll | Hello | 16:05 |
| priteau | Hi diurnalist | 16:06 |
| diurnalist | hello | 16:06 |
| priteau | I am afraid I wasn't very creative and set the same agenda as last time | 16:06 |
| priteau | 1. Reservation usage policy enforcement | 16:07 |
| priteau | 2. Upstream contributions | 16:07 |
| priteau | 3. AOB | 16:07 |
| priteau | Unless there is something else you would like to discuss? | 16:07 |
| priteau | #topic Reservation usage policy enforcement | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reservation usage policy enforcement (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:08 | |
| priteau | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663394/ | 16:08 |
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| priteau | I haven't worked more on this in the past weeks, been busy elsewhere. Did anyone had the chance to look at the early draft? | 16:09 |
| diurnalist | i admit i also didn't look, i will leave some comments now though | 16:09 |
| priteau | Thanks diurnalist | 16:10 |
| jakecoll | same | 16:10 |
| priteau | diurnalist: did you mean now as in right now, or later today after this call | 16:13 |
| diurnalist | i'm looking at it now in another tab :) | 16:13 |
| diurnalist | but some comments likely won't make it until after the call | 16:13 |
| priteau | There's not much to discuss on the agenda so you can take a few minutes to read the spec | 16:14 |
| diurnalist | the draft looks good and fits my understanding of the solution we've discussed | 16:15 |
| diurnalist | the obvious questions (already identified as work items) are what kind of interface it should have | 16:15 |
| priteau | Indeed, that's the next task | 16:16 |
| diurnalist | there are a few approaches i guess. do you have preferences currently? | 16:17 |
| priteau | We could start with something modelled after the function calls that Chameleon's fork makes to the usage enforcement module | 16:18 |
| priteau | But really I would like to keep it as simple as possible, even if limited, and iterate | 16:18 |
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| priteau | For protocol transport, HTTP and JSON based | 16:20 |
| diurnalist | in chameleon we just have `check_lease_duration` and `check_usage_against_allocation` | 16:21 |
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| diurnalist | so i believe the total bits of information are: lease start/end date, user/project id for lease, and then the ids of all the resources tied to the lease | 16:22 |
| priteau | Actually there is also calls specifically for lease updates: check_usage_against_allocation_pre_update & check_usage_against_allocation_post_update | 16:22 |
| diurnalist | why is it 2 functions? | 16:23 |
| priteau | I knew that at one point :-) | 16:24 |
| priteau | IIRC, pre_update does a check just based on new values provided by the user | 16:24 |
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| priteau | post_update also gets the newly allocated resources, does a check based on that too, and updates the enforcement DB | 16:25 |
| priteau | It could probably be the same function with optional parameters | 16:26 |
| priteau | I think that's what is done with check_usage_against_allocation | 16:26 |
| priteau | It might be useful to have the old lease values during lease-update, unless we expect the external service to query back Blazar to get them | 16:27 |
| diurnalist | yes, it looks like pre_update sort of looks more at extending a lease, whereas post-update is aware of allocation changes. | 16:28 |
| diurnalist | the question of how much context the external service needs is interesting. is it enough to just have the 'new' lease representation? | 16:28 |
| diurnalist | so, either a new lease, or a proposed updated version of a lease | 16:29 |
| priteau | If you want to do something like allow prolongation only in the last 48 hours, you need to know the old lease values as well | 16:29 |
| diurnalist | ah, yes | 16:30 |
| diurnalist | then perhaps old_lease, new_lease | 16:30 |
| diurnalist | where old_lease could be null | 16:30 |
| priteau | same with allocations, you might need the old ones and the new to compute how much more/less resources was requested | 16:31 |
| priteau | which is why we have both in check_usage_against_allocation_post_update | 16:31 |
| diurnalist | yes, i guess when i said "lease" i meant "lease and all reservation/allocations" | 16:31 |
| diurnalist | what this doesn't allow: policies based on # of current leases. whether this is important in practice to support is debatable IMO | 16:31 |
| priteau | The external service could still query Blazar before making its decision | 16:32 |
| * diurnalist puts hands over ears | 16:32 | |
| diurnalist | yes, the implementor has that option :) | 16:32 |
| priteau | As long as Blazar isn't blocking waiting for the external service to reply... | 16:33 |
| diurnalist | priteau: probably we do want to call out to this thing on lease terminate as well. a policy service wouldn't really care about stopping this but it might be important to know. | 16:33 |
| priteau | Right | 16:33 |
| diurnalist | the other way to handle this would be for the policy service to also listen for notifications | 16:34 |
| diurnalist | it's a tricky line to draw | 16:34 |
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| priteau | It is more elegant, but does it make sense to set this up for just one operation? | 16:35 |
| diurnalist | those are my initial thoughts. i do think pushing this out to another service is really the right thing to do, given all of the above special cases | 16:35 |
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| priteau | Thanks, that's helpful | 16:36 |
| priteau | Let's move on? | 16:36 |
| priteau | #topic Upstream contributions | 16:37 |
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| priteau | Anything new with upstream Blazar patches? | 16:39 |
| jakecoll | There still isn't an update reservation implementation for floating ips. I'm working on that now. | 16:40 |
| priteau | Masahito said on Tuesday that he had started working on it | 16:40 |
| priteau | You may want to check with him? | 16:40 |
| jakecoll | Is the best place to reach him on IRC? | 16:41 |
| priteau | Yes, if you live on the other side of the earth :) | 16:42 |
| priteau | He's in Japan | 16:42 |
| priteau | I'll share his email with you | 16:42 |
| jakecoll | thanks | 16:43 |
| priteau | Nothing happened on your heat patch? | 16:45 |
| jakecoll | Nope. Zane suggested the whole advanced reservation be implemented in blazar itself. | 16:45 |
| jakecoll | Two of them are your patches, but there hasn't been any movement. | 16:46 |
| priteau | Thanks for the update. | 16:47 |
| priteau | I sent you and masahito an email | 16:47 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 16:48 | |
| priteau | Anything else to discuss? | 16:48 |
| priteau | If not we can end early for today. Thanks for joining guys! | 16:49 |
| jakecoll | :+1 | 16:49 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 16:49:50 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-06-20-16.01.html | 16:49 |
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