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| priteau | #startmeeting blazar | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 20 09:00:00 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is priteau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'blazar' | 09:00 |
| priteau | #topic Roll call | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:00 | |
| masahito | o/ | 09:00 |
| tetsuro | o/ | 09:00 |
| priteau | Hi masahito and tetsuro! | 09:00 |
| priteau | Do you know if Bertrand is joining? | 09:02 |
| tetsuro | I have no idea | 09:02 |
| priteau | He may be on holiday, so let's start | 09:04 |
| priteau | Agenda for today: | 09:04 |
| priteau | - Project update @ Shanghai Summit | 09:04 |
| priteau | - Activities @ Shanghai PTG | 09:04 |
| priteau | - Blazar client release | 09:04 |
| priteau | - Change of blazar-dashboard release model | 09:04 |
| priteau | - Code review priorities | 09:04 |
| priteau | - AOB | 09:05 |
| priteau | #topic Project update @ Shanghai Summit | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project update @ Shanghai Summit (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:05 | |
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| priteau | For Shanghai, 40 slots are available for project updates. | 09:06 |
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| priteau | Slots will be reserved on a first come, first served basis. | 09:06 |
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| priteau | This was notified a week ago so we should reply as soon as possible. | 09:07 |
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| priteau | Unfortunately my (non-Blazar) talk was not accepted for the summit. | 09:08 |
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| priteau | Given that many placement / nova people are skipping this summit, I'm inclined to skip this one as well, as it's a lot of time spent on travel and logistics. | 09:09 |
| priteau | tetsuro: Are you interested in giving a Blazar project update? You already gave one at last summit, so I understand if you don't feel like doing it again. | 09:10 |
| masahito | I will be the summit. | 09:10 |
| tetsuro | I don't have any talk accepted, but I'm coming to Shanghai and it is already approved, and I can help to have the session. | 09:11 |
| masahito | s/be the summit/be in the summit/ | 09:11 |
| tetsuro | the session <- I meant the project update session | 09:11 |
| priteau | masahito: That's good news. Would you be happy to present the project update as well? | 09:11 |
| priteau | We have a choice of 15 min or 40 min session. I think 15 min makes sense for us. | 09:12 |
| masahito | I'm okay to present it if we need to have project update session. | 09:12 |
| masahito | 15min makes sense to me. | 09:13 |
| priteau | Especially since we don't yet have as many new features as previous release cycles. | 09:13 |
| masahito | Agree | 09:14 |
| priteau | I'll include Bertrand as well, we can remove him later if he doesn't want / can't participate | 09:15 |
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| priteau | I've just submitted the request now | 09:16 |
| tetsuro | Thanks! | 09:16 |
| priteau | We must also confirm one registration to the summit by Sunday September 29th at 7:00 UTC | 09:16 |
| priteau | If either of you is already registered, I can send the confirmation | 09:17 |
| tetsuro | I am already registered. | 09:17 |
| masahito | I haven't registered yet because of company reason. | 09:18 |
| priteau | tetsuro: Thanks, I will confirm | 09:18 |
| masahito | I'll check it tomorrow and will change email address in OpenStack ID | 09:18 |
| priteau | Thanks. | 09:19 |
| priteau | #topic Activities @ Shanghai PTG | 09:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Activities @ Shanghai PTG (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:19 | |
| priteau | We've requested a Project Onboarding session at the PTG | 09:20 |
| priteau | We'll have to decide how long would be the session and prepare materials. | 09:21 |
| priteau | I don't think I've ever been to a project onboarding session, but I saw slides online that we can use for inspiration. | 09:21 |
| priteau | There is also the option of holding technical discussions in person at the PTG, if you are interested. We'll want to have a virtual PTG anyway, probably before the summit. | 09:23 |
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| priteau | Let me know if you're interested in having some technical discussions. There will be less dedicated space at the PTG, so those discussions would likely be in the shared space and can be organised at the last minute. | 09:25 |
| masahito | I think number of Blazar team member is not big. I'm okay not to have dedicated space. | 09:26 |
| masahito | Shared space is okay to me. | 09:27 |
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| priteau | Depends who joins the discussion. Last year in Denver we had quite a big attendance when we discussed with the placement people. But in Shanghai many will not be there. | 09:28 |
| priteau | Even if NTT Data people are joining, it will only be 5 or 6 people in total. | 09:29 |
| priteau | We'll talk again about Project Onboarding in the coming weeks. Let's carry on with the agenda | 09:30 |
| priteau | #topic Blazar client release | 09:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blazar client release (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:30 | |
| priteau | We were prompted to release python-blazarclient: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675314/ | 09:30 |
| priteau | I think there are some infra requirements meaning we need to release at least once in a cycle | 09:31 |
| priteau | The good thing is we have a new feature to include: floating IP reservation. | 09:31 |
| priteau | I just want to include a little fix: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676217/ | 09:31 |
| priteau | Thanks both for the review, I will create a bug in LP | 09:32 |
| tetsuro | Thanks | 09:32 |
| tetsuro | I'm ready to +W if that is reported. | 09:32 |
| priteau | Afterwards I will update the release patch with the latest commit | 09:33 |
| priteau | #topic Change of blazar-dashboard release model | 09:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Change of blazar-dashboard release model (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:34 | |
| priteau | This one needs some discussion | 09:34 |
| priteau | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675471/ | 09:34 |
| priteau | It was proposed to change blazar-dashboard to the cycle-with-rc model | 09:34 |
| priteau | This has been proposed to other projects that haven't released yet in the Train cycle. Some have decided to move to cycle-with-rc, while other requested to stay on cycle-with-intermediary | 09:36 |
| priteau | I like the option of being able to release blazar-dashboard when we want, like with the python client | 09:37 |
| masahito | I don't have an objection to move the release model. | 09:37 |
| priteau | But we don't have much activity on blazar-dashboard at the moment | 09:38 |
| priteau | So it will be difficult justifying stayin on cycle-with-intermediary | 09:38 |
| priteau | If we move to cycle-with-rc, we will have to create an rc1 before Sep 23 - Sep 27 | 09:40 |
| priteau | then a final release by Oct 14 - Oct 18 | 09:40 |
| priteau | tetsuro: Any thoughts on this topic? | 09:41 |
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| tetsuro | Why has it been cycle-with-intermediary model? | 09:42 |
| priteau | I think it was the model used by most Horizon dashboards at the time | 09:42 |
| tetsuro | Oh I see, if that is only the reason I don't think there are any blockers to move to cycle-with-rc model? | 09:43 |
| priteau | Right, there is no blocker. We lose some flexibility: for example if we had developers active on blazar-dashboard now, we could release a new version with floating IP support and, assuming that the Horizon API interface doesn't change, it could be deployed on OpenStack Stein . | 09:45 |
| priteau | I suppose we can move back to another model in the future if needed. | 09:45 |
| tetsuro | Wait, is the python-blazarclient cycle-with-rc or cycle-with-intermediary | 09:46 |
| priteau | python-blazarclient is cycle-with-intermediary | 09:46 |
| tetsuro | Ah, I see. | 09:46 |
| priteau | Which is why we can release now | 09:46 |
| priteau | But we have people active on python-blazarclient, not so much on the dashboard. | 09:47 |
| tetsuro | Got it. Okay, then yeah, ideally we will want to come back to the intermediary model. | 09:48 |
| priteau | I'll ask if we can move back easily | 09:48 |
| priteau | I suppose we have until rc1 to decide. | 09:48 |
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| priteau | I asked Kendall on Gerrit | 09:49 |
| tetsuro | In this release we won't have many releases on dashboard. | 09:49 |
| tetsuro | Thanks. | 09:50 |
| priteau | Let's revisit next week depending on her answer. | 09:50 |
| priteau | Just 10 minutes left | 09:50 |
| priteau | #topic Code review priorities | 09:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code review priorities (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:50 | |
| priteau | We have some new patches to review | 09:50 |
| priteau | Jake from Chameleon has submitted a spec for network reservation: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674089/ | 09:51 |
| priteau | I've already suggested some changes | 09:51 |
| priteau | I've got a placement bugfix that we really need to include in this release: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671312/ | 09:52 |
| tetsuro | Ack. I'll have a look shortly | 09:55 |
| priteau | Thank you. It's a very easy one | 09:55 |
| priteau | There are also more patch from Jake: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672994/ and https://review.opendev.org/#/c/672763/ | 09:56 |
| priteau | And of course the patch series from Asmita | 09:56 |
| priteau | #topic AOB | 09:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: blazar)" | 09:56 | |
| priteau | Anything else to mention before we end? | 09:56 |
| masahito | nothing from my side | 09:58 |
| tetsuro | nothing | 09:58 |
| priteau | Thanks a lot! | 09:59 |
| priteau | for joining | 09:59 |
| priteau | Talk to you next week! | 09:59 |
| priteau | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 09:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 09:59:53 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-08-20-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-08-20-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2019/blazar.2019-08-20-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
| masahito | thanks | 10:00 |
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| cmurphy | #startmeeting keystone | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 20 16:00:58 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:01 | |
| kmalloc | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 16:01 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda | 16:01 |
| vishakha | o/ | 16:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 16:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 16:01 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | hey everybody | 16:02 |
| cmurphy | #topic cmurphy on vacation | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cmurphy on vacation (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:03 | |
| bnemec | endmeeting? ;-) | 16:03 |
| knikolla | \o/ woohoo, haha | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | lol | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | as an fyi I'll be away with no laptop and little cell service August 26-September 4 | 16:03 |
| kmalloc | OK everyone, pack it up. we're done ;) | 16:03 |
| kmalloc | :P | 16:03 |
| gagehugo | lol | 16:03 |
| vishakha | lol | 16:03 |
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| cmurphy | kmalloc: you don't get off the hook that easy :P | 16:03 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc has agreed to step up as acting ptl while i'm gone | 16:04 |
| cmurphy | (thank you!) | 16:04 |
| kmalloc | hehe np | 16:04 |
| knikolla | is doggo vice acting ptl? | 16:04 |
| bnemec | Always | 16:04 |
| kmalloc | figure it's the least i can do, considering i'm going to be disappearing for Good Reasons(tm) soon | 16:04 |
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| cmurphy | i'll be missing the next two meetings and office hours | 16:05 |
| kmalloc | also so cmurphy can get a well deserved break. | 16:05 |
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| cmurphy | kmalloc: and everyone, do you want to keep the next two meetings or cancel them? | 16:05 |
| prometheanfire | just joined, is it open floor time? | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | hm. lets see. | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | lets keep next meeting and we'll see if we want to skip the following one | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | prometheanfire: 6 minutes in? not yet :P | 16:06 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: sounds good | 16:06 |
| kmalloc | if there is no agenda, we'll just start and let folks go early | 16:07 |
| cmurphy | how about office hours? or do you want to wait to decide? | 16:07 |
| * prometheanfire has one bug to bring up | 16:07 | |
| cmurphy | prometheanfire: it's on the agenda already | 16:07 |
| kmalloc | office hours i think we'll skip | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | uniless there is a good reason to do them. | 16:08 |
| kmalloc | meeting check in is more important imo, office hours have been slow-ish anyway | 16:08 |
| cmurphy | agreed | 16:09 |
| cmurphy | thanks again kmalloc | 16:10 |
| cmurphy | #topic oauthlib requirements fix | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oauthlib requirements fix (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:10 | |
| cmurphy | prometheanfire: this is what you wanted to talk about right? | 16:10 |
| prometheanfire | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1839393 | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1839393 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "oauthlib===3.1.0 fails tests (requirements update)" [Low,Triaged] | 16:10 |
| prometheanfire | just that freeze is coming up in a couple of weeks so it'd be nice to clear that out | 16:11 |
| cmurphy | I haven't looked at it but I'm hoping it will be easyish, any volunteers to take it? | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | If I wasn't swamped with resource options and ... doctor appointments, i'd offer | 16:12 |
| vishakha | I can look inti it | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | maybe vishakha or gagehugo ? ;) | 16:12 |
| cmurphy | haha ty | 16:12 |
| prometheanfire | thanks | 16:12 |
| kmalloc | once i'm done with resource options, etc, if no one else has looked, I'll try and throw something at it, but i think it would be better if I could review. | 16:13 |
| vishakha | yw :) | 16:13 |
| kmalloc | so we can land it qu... yay vishakha !!! :) | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | prometheanfire: when's the deadline again? | 16:13 |
| gagehugo | vishakha: ping me if you need any help with that | 16:13 |
| prometheanfire | 13th iirc | 16:13 |
| cmurphy | alrighty | 16:14 |
| vishakha | gagehugo sure | 16:14 |
| cmurphy | anything else on that? | 16:14 |
| prometheanfire | sept 9-13 time | 16:14 |
| prometheanfire | https://releases.openstack.org/train/schedule.html | 16:14 |
| vishakha | Thanks prometheanfire for the information | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | #info requirements freeze september 9-13 | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | #action vishakha to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1839393 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1839393 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "oauthlib===3.1.0 fails tests (requirements update)" [Low,Triaged] | 16:15 |
| cmurphy | #topic Forum, pre-PTG and post-PTG planning | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum, pre-PTG and post-PTG planning (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:16 | |
| cmurphy | on this topic, I don't have anything solid to offer yet but wanted to get people thinking about it so we can start working out the details when I get back | 16:16 |
| cmurphy | even if you don't plan on going to shanghai I'm hoping people can contribute ideas that they want to see discussed at the forum, I'll be happy to moderate them | 16:17 |
| cmurphy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-shanghai-ptg Shanghai PTG/Forum brainstorm | 16:17 |
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| kmalloc | do we know what the next cycle is going to look like, roughly? milestones, etc? | 16:18 |
| kmalloc | trying to gauge how much of the cycle i'm going to be missing while i am on leave. | 16:19 |
| cmurphy | at the moment I assume it's going to be a regular six-month cycle with the same milestone markers | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | ok, so, since i'm bad at math... when would you expect m1 to be? | 16:19 |
| kmalloc | i can bug you out of the meeting on this. | 16:20 |
| kmalloc | table it. | 16:20 |
| cmurphy | yeah i would have to do some counting | 16:20 |
| cmurphy | anyone already have topic ideas they want to throw out there? | 16:21 |
| bnemec | oslo.limit | 16:21 |
| cmurphy | that's a good one | 16:21 |
| bnemec | I suppose I should just add that to the etherpad. | 16:21 |
| cmurphy | ++ | 16:21 |
| bnemec | I put it in both sections since I'm guessing there will be both cross-project and in-Keystone discussion needed. | 16:23 |
| cmurphy | yes probably | 16:23 |
| bnemec | Maybe the policy scope stuff for the forum? | 16:24 |
| bnemec | I know you're wrapping it up, but the other projects will probably need some guidance. | 16:24 |
| cmurphy | yep, hopefully we'll have our side done, maybe nova will also have part of theirs done | 16:24 |
| cmurphy | in which case we could start talking about making it a community goal | 16:25 |
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| bnemec | Like the fuchsia etherpad color. :-) | 16:25 |
| * bnemec has no idea if that's spelled right | 16:26 | |
| cmurphy | for the virtual PTG i think we decided to do both pre- and post- IRL ptg meetings | 16:26 |
| cmurphy | will the week before and after work for most people? ie sometime in oct 28-nov 1 and nov 11-15 | 16:27 |
| kmalloc | as a note, none of those work for me, but that is to be expected | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | please just expect i'll be missing the virtual ptg(s) | 16:28 |
| kmalloc | I promise to share some photos in lieu of my joining the PTGs :) | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | kmalloc: i'm guessing we won't easily be able to work around your time off | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | yay :) | 16:29 |
| bnemec | An acceptable trade. :-) | 16:29 |
| cmurphy | how many hours/days should we do for each meeting? | 16:32 |
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| cmurphy | okay well maybe please start adding topics to the etherpad for the ptgs and i'll try to come up with a plan that allows us to cover everything | 16:35 |
| cmurphy | and will send out a scheduling poll | 16:35 |
| cmurphy | #topic renewable group membership | 16:36 |
| gagehugo | ok | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "renewable group membership (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 16:36 | |
| cmurphy | knikolla: all you | 16:36 |
| knikolla | o/ | 16:36 |
| knikolla | so i wanted some feedback on a few things | 16:36 |
| knikolla | first: should these renewable group memberships appear in the API response for list groups in use and list users for group? | 16:37 |
| knikolla | Should they appear in a separate API or with a special flag? Or should they just be a backend thing and not really be exposed with listing. | 16:37 |
| cmurphy | the only way these users become members of groups is through mappings right? | 16:40 |
| knikolla | yes | 16:40 |
| knikolla | creating these directly will not be supported, just through mappings. | 16:41 |
| cmurphy | hmm | 16:41 |
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| cmurphy | is there any need for a user to be able to view their own expiring group membership? or for admins to be able to see whose memberships are about to expire? | 16:42 |
| kmalloc | i think it might be nice if a user could see it | 16:44 |
| knikolla | just for info, cause they won't be able to act on that info returned. | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | but ^ yeah, it's informational strictly | 16:44 |
| knikolla | i was thinking of a include_expiring=True flag on listings | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | ?include_expiring | 16:44 |
| knikolla | yes | 16:44 |
| kmalloc | hm. sure | 16:45 |
| kmalloc | filter_by=expiring | 16:45 |
| cmurphy | if it's not too difficult to implement it doesn't seem like a bad idea | 16:45 |
| knikolla | hmmm.... it does seem a bit of a lie if you "filter" by returning different content | 16:45 |
| cmurphy | otoh if it's a pain then we could keep it just on the backend for now and expose it later if we decide we need it | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | ^ | 16:46 |
| knikolla | ++ | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | wfm | 16:46 |
| kmalloc | expose it unless it's a royal PITA then, expose it later if needed | 16:47 |
| knikolla | sure | 16:47 |
| knikolla | the other point i had, is that the dependencies between identity backend and federation backend are growing stronger | 16:47 |
| knikolla | and if it makes sense to just merge the two together in a future cycle | 16:47 |
| knikolla | FederatedUser has a foreign key on IdentityProvider | 16:48 |
| knikolla | ExpiringUserGroupMembership will have one as well | 16:48 |
| kmalloc | *shrug* they can merge. | 16:52 |
| kmalloc | it's not really that big a deal imo. | 16:52 |
| cmurphy | I don't really think of idps/mappings/protocols as in the same category as users/groups | 16:52 |
| cmurphy | it would feel a little weird to me to merge them | 16:53 |
| cmurphy | also - the federation stuff can't be backed by ldap | 16:53 |
| knikolla | that's all i had, we don't have to take a decision now | 16:54 |
| knikolla | just wanted to get an overall feeling | 16:54 |
| * knikolla yields floow | 16:55 | |
| knikolla | floor | 16:55 |
| cmurphy | knikolla: i guess my last message was more of a question - what happens when the identity backend is backed by ldap, if federation merges with it? | 16:56 |
| kmalloc | i think with FKs, it kindof breaks as is | 16:56 |
| knikolla | cmurphy: there shouldn't be any difference to how it works today. | 16:56 |
| knikolla | I think domain specific drivers would still be applicable. | 16:56 |
| cmurphy | hmm okay | 16:57 |
| knikolla | You kinda have to use a shadow backend with sql anyway with ldap | 16:57 |
| cmurphy | that's true | 16:57 |
| knikolla | this was more of a realization that we've separated two things and required using them together | 16:58 |
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| knikolla | i can propose a spec to backlog with a more argumentative problem description and gather feedback there. | 16:58 |
| cmurphy | sounds good | 16:59 |
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| kmalloc | wfm | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | #action knikolla propose spec to backlog about merging federation and identity backends | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | #topic open floor | 16:59 |
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| cmurphy | i proposed an office hours topic to discuss the spec features in flight | 16:59 |
| cmurphy | and we're out of time | 17:00 |
| cmurphy | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 20 17:00:17 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-08-20-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-08-20-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2019/keystone.2019-08-20-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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