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| bswartz | .o/ | 15:00 |
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| gouthamr | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 3 15:00:53 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gouthamr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| lseki | \o. | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | courtesy ping: gouthamr xyang toabctl bswartz ganso erlon tpsilva vkmc amito jgrosso dviroel lseki carloss tbarron | 15:01 |
| dviroel | o/ | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | got to update that list, haven't i ^ | 15:01 |
| amito | .o/ hello | 15:01 |
| carloss | hi :) | 15:01 |
| xyang | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | Hello everyone! \o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | o/ | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings - Meeting agenda | 15:02 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 15:02 |
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| gouthamr | Ignore the date on the page - it's third october 2019 everywhere in the world i think | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | we've most people here, lets get started! :) | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| gouthamr | First off, the Ussuri cycle Schedule is live | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | if you haven't had a chance, take a look: | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| gouthamr | Yesterday, i started a review to propose manila specific deadlines: | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/686303/ | 15:04 |
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| gouthamr | ^ thank you tbarron, dviroel for taking a look already.. | 15:04 |
| jgrosso | https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/ussuri/index.html does not work | 15:04 |
| jgrosso | for the community wide goals for Ussuri | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: ack, that page will start to function if one of the goals merges i think | 15:05 |
| jgrosso | gouthamr ack thanks ! | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | right now, they're still being deliberated | 15:05 |
| jgrosso | makes sense | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-u-series-goals - Goals etherpad | 15:06 |
| jgrosso | Set up storyboard for tracking :) | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | if you're lazy like me, please see the o/p for the schedule including manila deadlines here: https://f5099681efe8f43a08c5-01a74348816d1fa0c2c779804dc21128.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/686303/1/check/openstack-tox-docs/e5405bc/docs/ussuri/schedule.html | 15:07 |
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| tbarron | note that gouthamr's review is putting *manila* stuff on this schedule, stuff like the | 15:08 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:08 |
| tbarron | general ussuri goals is already there | 15:08 |
| tbarron | so we need to think about the dates and definitions of the manila stuff | 15:08 |
| * gouthamr passes vkmc coffee+alfajores, welcome | 15:08 | |
| gouthamr | tbarron +1 | 15:09 |
| tbarron | on the definitions he corrected an unintended innovation in the last cycle where | 15:09 |
| tbarron | we said doc needed to be ready at feature proposal freeze | 15:09 |
| * gouthamr docs are an unintended innovation indeed :) | 15:09 | |
| tbarron | it doesn't need to be ready then | 15:09 |
| vkmc | :D | 15:09 |
| tbarron | and he has an intended innovation this time which he should explain to us :) | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | haha, yes | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | didn't mean to confuse you all | 15:10 |
| tbarron | the dates look OK to me but i celebrate typical 'murican holidays so others should check! | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | i added new language under the "manila feature freeze" deadline | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://f5099681efe8f43a08c5-01a74348816d1fa0c2c779804dc21128.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/686303/1/check/openstack-tox-docs/e5405bc/docs/ussuri/schedule.html#u-manila-ffreeze | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | currently says "All new Manila features must be merged by the end of the week. Any new API changes must be accounted for in the OpenStack Dashboard plugin (manila-ui) and the SDK/CLI components of python-manilaclient." | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Note that no other projects to my knowledge define their own feature freeze deadline, manila is spearheading :) | 15:11 |
| tbarron | Does everyone understand what "must be accounted for" means? | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | what i meant was if you're making manila API changes that affect the clients (manila-ui, python-manilaclient), and you have client changes in flight - these *have* to merge at the feature freeze deadline, because the clients will be released then | 15:12 |
| * tbarron made a private todo item for himself to add his api change to the ui someday :) | 15:12 | |
| gouthamr | we maintain backwards/forwards compatible clients | 15:12 |
| tbarron | don't we have enought ui tech debt that this might be a challenging (but desirable) requirement? | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | so, if your API changes aren't reflected in the client, it's not the end of the world - but, | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | since there may be other services and downstream consumers - clients do get released much earlier than the manila service project | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | so, if you'd like to have your changes in the clients for the Ussuri release, we must try and get them to merge before/at Feature Freeze | 15:14 |
| tbarron | ah, so it's *if* you have client or ui changes and want to get them in this relase, then .... | 15:15 |
| tbarron | not *you must have corresponding client and ui changes* | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:15 |
| dviroel | =) | 15:15 |
| tbarron | k, refinement of language can be done in the review ... | 15:15 |
| tbarron | thanks for explaining | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | afair, we've always tried to maintain full feature coverage atleast with python-manilaclient | 15:16 |
| tbarron | yeah with client and not at all with ui | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | we have the same desire for manila-ui, but, like tbarron said, we've accrued a lot of tech-debt now | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | dviroel tbarron: i'll respond to your comments after this meeting, thank you for bringing this up :) | 15:18 |
| tbarron | and hopefully soon osc client will be in the mix | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | ^ +1 | 15:18 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: ok | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | alright, next announcement | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | I've a new Core team addition proposed on the openstack-discuss mailing list | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/009910.html | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | thank you ganso xyang tbarron amito for responding | 15:19 |
| lseki | 🎉 | 15:19 |
| dviroel | :) | 15:19 |
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| * gouthamr ^ he's smiling now, but soon... | 15:20 | |
| amito | lol | 15:20 |
| xyang | Congrats dviroel! | 15:20 |
| carloss | haha | 15:20 |
| dviroel | :| | 15:20 |
| carloss | congrats dviroel | 15:20 |
| dviroel | xyang carloss ty | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | please respond to this proposal | 15:20 |
| bswartz | :-D | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | and we'll go ahead and formalize it if we have consensus | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | I'm not on the ML for some reason. I guess because they renamed it | 15:21 |
| * bswartz goes to fix ML subscription | 15:21 | |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ah, that was like a year ago man :D | 15:21 |
| bswartz | That explains the less amount of email I get about openstack | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | lol | 15:22 |
| dviroel | lol | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | okay folks anything else that you'd like to announce? | 15:22 |
| jgrosso | Hockey Season has started! | 15:23 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:23 |
| jgrosso | wrong channel | 15:23 |
| jgrosso | sorry | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | jgrosso: nice, it's a bye week for Clemson, so maybe i'll watch some | 15:23 |
| jgrosso | gouthamr ack ;) | 15:23 |
| vhari | jgrosso: :) | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | #topic: How are our release candidates faring? | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": How are our release candidates faring? (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:23 | |
| gouthamr | again, typo - we only have one release candidate | 15:24 |
| gouthamr | that's RC1 that we cut for manila over a week ago | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | i hope you'll are testing, packaging this - if you find any release critical bugs, please file them and tag them with "train-rc-potential" | 15:25 |
| tbarron | so far we're doing a pretty good job keeping the trajectory bswartz started of not having a lot of release time drama | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | the official release is still nearly a couple of weeks away | 15:26 |
| bswartz | Email subscription fixed, now to fix my filters | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | so, please keep testing | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | nice bswartz! | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | +rule: from:gouthamr set: priority +100 kthxbye | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | #topic Tempest test breakage (dviroel) | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest test breakage (dviroel) (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:27 | |
| gouthamr | ^ i added dviroel's name on this since he's driving this | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1846236 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1846236 in tempest "User credentials not being released when skipException is raised on resource_setup()" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Douglas Viroel (dviroel) | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/686008/ | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | last week, a new release of tempest shipped with this bug ^ and manila-tempest-plugin broke | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | we've since fixed this bug, thanks dviroel for filing and fixing it! | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | i was wondering if we needed to request a new release of tempest? | 15:29 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: yw | 15:29 |
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| dviroel | gouthamr: i guess so | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: okay, you can either propose it and add gmann to the review for guidance | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: or ask directly on the review page | 15:31 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: ack | 15:31 |
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| gouthamr | dviroel: Although there is this one | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685406/ - Tempest release for train cycle | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: we can use that review possibly | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | let's coordinate with gmann | 15:32 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: sure, will do | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | that's all i had wrt the topic | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | if you see any CI jobs misbehaving, get hold of our new tempest/CI expert, dviroel | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | thank you dviroel | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | #topic Python3 for third party CI | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python3 for third party CI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:34 | |
| tbarron | thanks for your expertise dviroel | 15:34 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: tbarron thanks | 15:34 |
| bswartz | If I drop connection, it's because thunderbird crashed my computer trying to clean up my openstack mail folders (45000 unread messages) | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | i added this $topic back to check on the third party CI | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | omg bswartz | 15:35 |
| tbarron | everybody send bswartz mail, he feels lonely | 15:35 |
| lseki | lol | 15:35 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:35 |
| tbarron | bswartz thought openstack was dead and everyone has moved to k8s | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | 45k "we miss you, come back" messages later | 15:36 |
| tbarron | IAAS and hard multi-tenancy neeeds will never die | 15:36 |
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| gouthamr | amito: did you have an update regarding $topic | 15:37 |
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| gouthamr | dviroel: i recall you shared a spreadsheet recently regarding third party CI coverage for DHSS=True | 15:37 |
| amito | Yep, | 15:37 |
| amito | Our CI now runs on py3 | 15:38 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: yes, regarding subnets patches | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | amito: oh nice, that's a good-kinda update | 15:38 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: need to look for it, will be good to update it also | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: i wonder if we should make one for this mission | 15:38 |
| amito | gouthamr:We've had some failures lately, but I don't think it's related to the py3 change | 15:39 |
| amito | arrgh | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | dviroel: we can audit the ones that report right now and alert those folks if they haven't been listening on the ML or to these meetings | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | amito: oh - one of them could definitely be https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1846236 | 15:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1846236 in tempest "User credentials not being released when skipException is raised on resource_setup()" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Douglas Viroel (dviroel) | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | dviroel was using the infinidat CI logs to work through that bug | 15:40 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: yes, wont be that hard to do the audit | 15:40 |
| amito | gouthamr: yep, it was definitely credentials related | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | awesome, dviroel - let's start a collaborative sheet and do that together | 15:40 |
| dviroel | amito: was affecting NetApp CI and Infinibox CIs | 15:40 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: ok | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | amito: ack, should be fixed now | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | thanks dviroel, lets connect after this meeting | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | any other third party CI updates? | 15:41 |
| amito | dviroel: thanks | 15:41 |
| dviroel | amito: np | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | #topic: Ussuri PTG Planning | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Ussuri PTG Planning (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:41 | |
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| gouthamr | as you're all aware, the community is going to be meeting for the Open Infrastructure Summit + Forum + PTG event in Shanghai next month | 15:42 |
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| gouthamr | #link: https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/ | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | PTG = Project Technical Gathering | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | this is typically the forum where we meet face-to-face and discuss project plans for the next cycle | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | thanks tbarron for creating the planning etherpad | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-shanghai-ptg-planning PTG Planning Etherpad | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | we're a month away from the event, lets gather all topics on that etherpad | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | i'd ask you not to prioritize any topics - we've taken all sorts of things to discussions in the past, and the output has been amazing | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | so don't hold back, if you thought that something was a minor discussion point | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | i've done that in the past, and we've had healthy two hour discussions on such things | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | ask jgrosso | 15:47 |
| bswartz | PTG is in shanghai this cycle right? | 15:47 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | That's going to cause serious timezone issues for remote attendees | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | that's true | 15:47 |
| gouthamr | sees a tbarronuo typing away | 15:47 |
| tbarron | hmm | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I worry that remote attendance might not even be possible | 15:48 |
| tbarron | we may have a follow up remotee ptg as well | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: true | 15:48 |
| bswartz | Are you going to have to deal with the so-called "great firewall" of china? | 15:48 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that is an open question | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | at present, i think we don't know what the connectivity is going to be like | 15:49 |
| tbarron | asked and not settled yet | 15:49 |
| tbarron | and our PTL will be remote this time | 15:49 |
| bswartz | Which PTL? | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | tbarron and vkmc are traveling, and it's possible they won't have their work machines with them | 15:49 |
| tbarron | so PTG will be a bit of an experiment | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | this one | 15:49 |
| bswartz | gouthamr won't be there? | 15:50 |
| tbarron | our first priority will be to use it as meet-greet with any APAC folks who haven't had the | 15:50 |
| tbarron | opportunity to participate in Manila | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | Oy | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | yeah, unfortunately won't be there in person | 15:50 |
| lseki | 12:49:41 <gouthamr> it's possible they won't have their work machines with them | 15:50 |
| lseki | hmm why not? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | Your timezone will be less far off than mine if you do attend remotely | 15:50 |
| tbarron | understand needs, show our PTG topics, solicit reactions, etc. | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | tbarron will continue to lead this one, and i'll be hoping to join remotely if we can figure out how/what | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:51 |
| tbarron | lseki: company issues, can discuss offline | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | let's fill out the etherpad, and then arrange topics | 15:52 |
| lseki | tbarron: ok | 15:52 |
| dviroel | and we'll need a new coke can | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | at present, i agree we will try and plan a day of remote PTG | 15:52 |
| carloss | dviroel ++ | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | as we have decided to do in the past | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | ooh we don't have yours anymore, dviroel? | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | coke can - speaker we used to connect our room to Bluejeans in Denver for the last PTG | 15:53 |
| dviroel | gouthamr: erlon was the owner of that one | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ah that guy | 15:53 |
| carloss | gouthamr: we still have the camera | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | okay, we'll figure out AV too | 15:54 |
| tbarron | now that we've planted these folks at canonical maybe canonical will contribute to manila | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | logistical issues aside, we will have a remote PTG to look forward to, in friendlier timezones to our audience | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | current audience* | 15:55 |
| carloss | tbarron ++ | 15:55 |
| dviroel | tbarron++ | 15:55 |
| lseki | tbarron++ | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | Shanghai is a great opportunity for us to touch base with and revive our APAC contributors | 15:55 |
| gouthamr | and that will be the focus of the meetings there, like tbarron mentioned | 15:56 |
| gouthamr | based off the topics we gather, we can make our plans for the Shanghai PTG and the remote one in a West friendly timezone | 15:57 |
| * gouthamr looks at clock - eek | 15:57 | |
| jgrosso | :9 | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | anything else on $topic | 15:58 |
| jgrosso | :( | 15:58 |
| * bswartz lights a fire under gouthamr | 15:58 | |
| * gouthamr books flight ticket to Boston | 15:58 | |
| gouthamr | sorry jgrosso, skipping you two weeks in a row now | 15:58 |
| jgrosso | I leave manila team and they toss you out :( | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | I see how it is ;) | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | er, he lies ^ | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | gouthamr no worries :) | 15:59 |
| tbarron | he will never get away | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | haha | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | #topic Open Discussion | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:59 | |
| tbarron | he'll be testing manila in real context, system tests | 15:59 |
| jgrosso | :) | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | So, why on earth is Alabama #1 again, who did they even play | 16:00 |
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| gouthamr | oh, sorry, manila related, everyone | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | end of our meeting | 16:00 |
| tbarron | cya | 16:00 |
| lseki | \o | 16:00 |
| carloss | bye :) | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | please hop on to #openstack-manila if you have anything to discuss right away | 16:00 |
| dviroel | thanks | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | thank you all | 16:00 |
| jgrosso | bye | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 3 16:00:43 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-03-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-03-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2019/manila.2019-10-03-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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